Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
animeBee1ver said: @Pat_To_Do-List “There are no coincidences in life. What person that wandered in and out of your life was there for some purpose, even if they caused you harm. Sometimes, it doesn’t make sense the short periods of time we get with people, or the outcomes from their choices. However, if you turn it over to God he promises that you will see the big picture in the hereafter. Nothing is too small to be a mistake.” ― Shannon L. Alder I was asking for your explanation, not this. Remember? |
| I like anime. |
Zetsubo667 said: Adlet really is an idiot, because he hasn't realised that he's already proved his innocence back in episode 4. As Mora said in episode 5, there are two ways to release the seal, either the caster dispells it themselves or die. Adlet attempted to dispell the fog back in episode 4 with Nashetania and Goldov as his witnesses. If he only pointed this out to the rest of them, this situation wouldn't be happening right now. No he didn't. He tried a way that proved to be wrong . no one knows how to dispel it, that's the point. |
 |
GSupernova said: flannan said: 1) Because they don't know they are in a detective story. Most of the suspicions about her on these forums are based upon the fact that she is one of the least likely culprits, thus is likely to be one - the same reasoning that makes heroes facing 1 to million chances likely to win. That makes a story interesting, but is not a good way to solve actual crimes. 2) Because Nashetania is the heir to the biggest and strongest country in the world. There just isn't much the demons can offer to tempt her, provided they can get to talk to her at all. It's not like Tgurneu can just walk into the palace, greet the guards and ask to speak with the princess. She doesn't even have enough surviving relatives to take hostage (well, there's the king who tried to kill her, and some really distant relatives that she doesn't even know). 3) Because to them, Nashetania is much the same as Chamo - mentally unstable and spoiled, but really powerful Saint who was probably chosen for her sheer destructiveness, not for her brains. Just compare Nashetania's rain of swords to Fremy's puny bullets. 1 - This is definitely a factor, but it's more of a catalyst by which the illusion surrounding her actions is dispelled. One might not suspect her at all, and she'd fly under the radar forever, but any consideration towards her being the 7th would reveal a rather convincing case against her. 2- Two things, first I would reason a guess that at least Mora is aware that her kingdom is being ruled by a despot. If she doesn't, that would be very odd to me. Secondly, she spent a time away from the palace when she waged civil war, which is more than enough opportunity to be approached. We know that the fiend(whom is apparently called Tgurneu?) was active at least since Adlet's childhood. 3 - Nothing presented in the anime suggests that this is the case as far as I can tell. 2) We don't know much about the internal politics of Nashetania's country, except that the king is a figurehead. Nashetania might be in charge there, or at least have a good chance of taking over once the old king dies. Or the minister might be in charge. Or the whole country could be controlled by demons. A lot of characters might know more, but we don't, so we can't tell what they know and how does it affect their judgement. Still, Nashetania's position makes it hard for demons to make any really good offers. Is being a figurehead when the country is oppressed by demons really better than being a figurehead in a human country? Even if the country in question is the whole world? Anyway, Nashetania not being in charge of anything gives her extra "dumb princess" points in the eyes of people who don't know her personally. (only Mora and Goldof do know her well enough to know if this personality is a bluff, and if so, what is the reason for it and what is the real Nashetania like) 3) No, this is my personal interpretation. |
| Again they end on a cliffhanger during an action fight scene. Come on... Show is getting exciting though. |
Zetsubo667 said: Pat_To_Do-List said: Adlet attempted to deactivate the barrier back then, but what he did was only an attempt without any knowledge on how to deactivate it. He's just trying the methods to deactivate it that he had heard of(some kind of rumors). It's also been established in episode 5 that none of them know exactly how to deactivate it. As we found out this episode, Adlet had gained a lot of knowledge from his master which included history of past saints. Adlet may be an idiot but he does have a certain level of knowledge in this area, so I don't think he's wrong. Zefyris said: No he didn't. He tried a way that proved to be wrong . no one knows how to dispel it, that's the point. Until all seven of them try out the same method that Adlet had done, you can't say for certain this is wrong. As Mora said only the one who cast the fog can dispel it. The only reason you would know for certain is if you're a LN reader or you spoiled yourself. Adlet was taught how to fight, make and use weapons and learned sciences from Atro so he could kill Fiends. This barrier was created with magic which isn't his field at all. And you seem to be misunderstanding about the barrier, without original specific deactivation process nothing will work even if the culprit touches it. The only person who know this method right now would be the 7th and as it doesn't use it then the whole thing is a waste of time. |
Zetsubo667 said: As we found out this episode, Adlet had gained a lot of knowledge from his master which included history of past saints. Adlet may be an idiot but he does have a certain level of knowledge in this area, so I don't think he's wrong. When he tried to turn the barrier off, he said that what he's trying to do was a way to turn off something similar to the current barrier, not to turn off the exact same barrier. That's it. He knew that what he did was not the right way, but he did it anyway out of desperation. And at the same time, he clearly said that the method he used originally was not performed on some kind of altar, but it was performed on the ground. Your assumption that what he did might not be wrong is kind of baseless since even Adlet, someone who knows pretty well about the past Saints, knew for sure that it's not the right way to turn it off. Heck, even Maura who clearly stated in episode 5 that she knew really well everything about all of the 78 saints(since she's the leader of the temple that supervises all the saints) does not know how to turn the barrier off. |
Pat_To_Do-ListAug 18, 2015 6:39 AM
| I like anime. |
Jagd84 said: Zetsubo667 said: Until all seven of them try out the same method that Adlet had done, you can't say for certain this is wrong. As Mora said only the one who cast the fog can dispel it. The only reason you would know for certain is if you're a LN reader or you spoiled yourself. Adlet was taught how to fight, make and use weapons and learned sciences from Atro so he could kill Fiends. This barrier was created with magic which isn't his field at all. Are you a mechanic? No? Do you know how to turn a key in a car's ignition (or hit the button on the newer ones) to turn it off and on? It's his world, he knows how it works. What Zetsubo said is correct, he only proved what he did doesn't work FOR HIM. It's already established that it's a dumb plot device that only the activator can deactivate. Until everyone tries it, it isn't proven that that doesn't work. The fact that they're more willing to murder him than try the ritual is yet another massive and silly plot hole. Also, everyone should know the deactivation. Unless the plan was to have the brave who stayed behind to activate it starve to death in the barrier, never being able to release it, an astoundingly stupid plan and massive plot hole, then they'd have been told how to shut it down. |
SokahAug 18, 2015 7:03 AM
MasaneX said: Wait what ? ''You'd be crazy to like her'' ? Why would that be. She seems like a perfect best girl. She's slaughtered plenty of innocent people including trying to kill a little girl, Chamot. Not that age or gender should be swaying your opinion when it comes to murdering people, but there ya go. MasaneX said: Not that I want to base this on statistics like this, but isn't she probably the most popular character of the heroes ? Boob strap. I don't think I need to say more. MasaneX said: And I don't think that she should feel remorse. What she did was only natural for who she was. She is half-kyoma, was raised by them, lived with them, loved them, why would she oppose their ideals ? She didn't have a reason to side with humans. I don't think she was making mistakes. So being misguided is enough to give you a pass on being a serial killer? So having racist parents makes it okay to murder people of other races? Having religious parents makes it okay to murder people of other religions? Sorry, no. She is a monster and it has nothing to do with being half demon. |
Sokah said: It's his world, he knows how it works. Clearly, he doesn't or did you miss it? Sokah said: What Zetsubo said is correct, he only proved what he did doesn't work FOR HIM. It's already established that it's a dumb plot device that only the activator can deactivate. Until everyone tries it, it isn't proven that that doesn't work. Did it occur to you that no one knows the "password" and that the fake can easily just say the wrong one? Sokah said: Also, everyone should know the deactivation. Unless the plan was to have the brave who stayed behind to activate it starve to death in the barrier. We don't know yet. Might as well be the case. |
 |
Tylaen said: Did it occur to you that no one knows the "password" and that the fake can easily just say the wrong one? Irrelevant, they haven't even TRIED. They'd rather murder Adlet on the flimsiest of excuses and possibly hand the world to the demon king by killing the wrong person than spend 5 seconds trying the ritual he thinks would work. |
Barion-Zara said: I bet everyone expected Adlet's village to have been wiped out by Kyouma not that they were convinced by one to join the Demon lord and chasing after Adlet to kill him. They were obviously dominated via magic. You don't say "hey life will be better for humans under the demon king, all you have to do is kill humans" to convince people especially as it is a well known fact that humans are murdered and enslaved, not treated well. Also poison fog kills humans so yeah. Demon just wiped out a village with a spell, scary stuff. |
Sokah said: Irrelevant, they haven't even TRIED. Doesn't make it work any better. Sokah said: They'd rather murder Adlet on the flimsiest of excuses. It's only flimsy because you're the viewer and have the knowledge of what occured during Adlet's time In the temple. |
|
Sokah said: MasaneX said: Wait what ? ''You'd be crazy to like her'' ? Why would that be. She seems like a perfect best girl. She's slaughtered plenty of innocent people including trying to kill a little girl, Chamot. Not that age or gender should be swaying your opinion when it comes to murdering people, but there ya go. MasaneX said: Not that I want to base this on statistics like this, but isn't she probably the most popular character of the heroes ? Boob strap. I don't think I need to say more. MasaneX said: And I don't think that she should feel remorse. What she did was only natural for who she was. She is half-kyoma, was raised by them, lived with them, loved them, why would she oppose their ideals ? She didn't have a reason to side with humans. I don't think she was making mistakes. So being misguided is enough to give you a pass on being a serial killer? So having racist parents makes it okay to murder people of other races? Having religious parents makes it okay to murder people of other religions? Sorry, no. She is a monster and it has nothing to do with being half demon. She is not a monster, just a soldier (or spy) fighting for the other side. She did not do all that based on emotions or hatred, just being calculating and following orders. Then again, Gasai Yuno from Mirai Nikki is a monster, despite herself and all the people she killed being proper humans. Yet she is quite popular (i'm sure the number of her fans on this site alone is bigger than the number of people she killed). |
| How is bunny princess going to find proof that Hans is the seventh by going into the forest? ^^" |
| @Sokah: I am surprised that you are very concerned about plot hole. You could enjoy an anime that brimmed with plot holes like Aldnoah.Zero, so I thought you would be just fine with this anime. Are you sure you do not like this anime because of "plot holes?" Because so far, I do not see any plot hole. |
| I like anime. |
Pat_To_Do-List said: @Sokah: I am surprised that you are very concerned about plot hole. You could enjoy an anime that brimmed with plot holes like Aldnoah.Zero, so I thought you would be just fine with this anime. Are you sure you do not like this anime because of "plot holes?" Because so far, I do not see any plot hole. He Is trying to rip plot holes In thin air and suggesting faulty methods to finding out the traitor. I'd wait til the end of the season/book to even consider trying to rip In a mystery novel/anime. |
|
Sokah said: Jagd84 said: Adlet was taught how to fight, make and use weapons and learned sciences from Atro so he could kill Fiends. This barrier was created with magic which isn't his field at all. Are you a mechanic? No? Do you know how to turn a key in a car's ignition (or hit the button on the newer ones) to turn it off and on? It's his world, he knows how it works. What Zetsubo said is correct, he only proved what he did doesn't work FOR HIM. It's already established that it's a dumb plot device that only the activator can deactivate. Until everyone tries it, it isn't proven that that doesn't work. The fact that they're more willing to murder him than try the ritual is yet another massive and silly plot hole. What in blazes are you talking about? Adlet has is some historical knowledge about Saints since they have been involved in the previous battles with Demon Gods and Fiends, but by no means he's an expert in their magic as proven inep 5 and 6. All he did was copy an 700 years old incarnation the Saint of Salt of era used when she made a barrier. That's like saying I'm a in expert in mineralogy because I might be able to imitate some Georgius Agricola experiments. *rolleyes* And Mora is foremost expert on Saint magic, if she say you need a deactivation process then you need one. Trying random shit will get you no where especially when have no where to start. Also, everyone should know the deactivation. Unless the plan was to have the brave who stayed behind to activate it starve to death in the barrier, never being able to release it, an astoundingly stupid plan and massive plot hole, then they'd have been told how to shut it down.[/ Yes because it's like not there isn't another method to bring down the barrier be known to the guys in the fort or King who built it, or like you know, the Brave in the barrier couldn't just hunt animals in the area for food. Besides the Brave were to be left there is intended to to be done as last ditch emergency to begin with. He/she isn't supposed to shutdown the barrier. So stop shouting about words you know nothing about just because your masochistic enough to continue watching a show we heard you say bunch of times you don't like. |
Iron_MawAug 18, 2015 9:20 AM
| Well, I've gotta hand it to you Sokah, besides the whole intrigue around the mystery, you do somewhat make this discussion a bit more interesting than it already is. Your desperation to nitpick about the story so far is actually quite admirable, but most of your complaints are really hollow. Sokah said: Tylaen said: Did it occur to you that no one knows the "password" and that the fake can easily just say the wrong one? Irrelevant, they haven't even TRIED. They'd rather murder Adlet on the flimsiest of excuses and possibly hand the world to the demon king by killing the wrong person than spend 5 seconds trying the ritual he thinks would work. They did try though, in episode 4 there were, in fact, 3 attempts to deactivate the barrier, and in episode 5 Mora said, and I quote: "The Divine Book of Words says nothing about how to disable the barrier" heavily implying that they don't know the specific process except the seventh. Can we just move on from this non-existent plot hole now? Also, everyone not knowing the deactivation sequence isn't a fault in the story writing, but an in-world mistake by the actual people who have been helping out the Braves and could be purposeful, we don't know yet. Sokah said: Barion-Zara said: I bet everyone expected Adlet's village to have been wiped out by Kyouma not that they were convinced by one to join the Demon lord and chasing after Adlet to kill him. They were obviously dominated via magic. You don't say "hey life will be better for humans under the demon king, all you have to do is kill humans" to convince people especially as it is a well known fact that humans are murdered and enslaved, not treated well. Also poison fog kills humans so yeah. Demon just wiped out a village with a spell, scary stuff. What you have said isn't backed up by any evidence or deductive reasoning just personal experience (not trustworthy) and a cynical attitude. However, there are counterarguments to what you have said. First, the world of RnY may have saint powers, but as far as I can tell these only extend to the manipulation of physical things and nature, not anything psychological like mind control for example so I can confidently say that the magic in Rokka is rather confined and is not magic in the traditional sense. Secondly, we haven't seen any evidence for the use of supernatural powers by Kyouma, plus shape-shifting for fiends is a physiological ability not a magical one. So even for a high-ranking kyouma like Tgurneu that could potentially be impossible. From what I can infer of Tgurneu's personality through his appearance and mannerisms is that he could potentially be a master of rhetoric (fedora + politeness = intellectual?), positing his success in actually negotiating with the villagers to enter their land. |
| So ehh when do they actually get out of this freaking fog ? You can spoiler me if you want, its just really irritating. |
LastIllusion said: So ehh when do they actually get out of this freaking fog ? You can spoiler me if you want, its just really irritating. At the end of the season. |
|
LastIllusion said: So ehh when do they actually get out of this freaking fog ? You can spoiler me if you want, its just really irritating. In addition to what Tylaen said: If episode 5 didn't make it clear enough: this a mystery show bro. Think Umikeko or Daganronpa. |
Pat_To_Do-List said: @Sokah: I am surprised that you are very concerned about plot hole. You could enjoy an anime that brimmed with plot holes like Aldnoah.Zero, so I thought you would be just fine with this anime. Are you sure you do not like this anime because of "plot holes?" Because so far, I do not see any plot hole. Seriously? This is a mystery that is spending over 3 hours of time focusing on this one plot point. You get that A0 didn't have threads trying to guess what is being lead up to with the clues in the show, right? A0 is a mecha show, it delivered mecha. This is a mystery that claimed it was an adventure for the first few episodes and is delivering neither. Jagd84 said: LastIllusion said: So ehh when do they actually get out of this freaking fog ? You can spoiler me if you want, its just really irritating. In addition to what Tylaen said: If episode 5 didn't make it clear enough: this a mystery show bro. Think Umikeko or Daganronpa. That wasn't episode 5's job, it was episode 1's job. A LOT of people like LastIllusion there are either very frustrated or have dropped this show because of it. Frrrosty said: Sokah said: Irrelevant, they haven't even TRIED. They'd rather murder Adlet on the flimsiest of excuses and possibly hand the world to the demon king by killing the wrong person than spend 5 seconds trying the ritual he thinks would work. They did try though, in episode 4 there were, in fact, 3 attempts to deactivate the barrier If you have 7 keys and you try 3, have you tried all the keys? Close enough, lets kill Adlet!!! Frrrosty said: Also, everyone not knowing the deactivation sequence isn't a fault in the story writing, but an in-world mistake by the actual people who have been helping out the Braves and could be purposeful, we don't know yet. Everything about it is a bad plot device. Even the soldiers not coming with them to activate the barrier. The "lets send the braves ahead alone without help so they have a better chance of dying, then once they're there, they can waste lots of time while we march there and suffer more attacks" is the dumbest plan ever, why no brave pointed that out or the fact that it could ever get made in the first place is silly. Frrrosty said: Sokah said: They were obviously dominated via magic. You don't say "hey life will be better for humans under the demon king, all you have to do is kill humans" to convince people especially as it is a well known fact that humans are murdered and enslaved, not treated well. Also poison fog kills humans so yeah. Demon just wiped out a village with a spell, scary stuff. What you have said isn't backed up by any evidence or deductive reasoning just personal experience (not trustworthy) and a cynical attitude. Ooookay. You think that if someone offers you an opportunity to go somewhere that you'd be made a slave or murdered and all you had to do was kill anyone that didn't agree to come with you, you'd be totally be fine with that. Got it. You're utterly insane. No one in their right mind would do what they did, it had to be magic. Seriously, what part of getting made a slave or murdering your friends do YOU find really sells this whole thing as something a person would find to be a good idea? |
SokahAug 18, 2015 3:12 PM
Sokah said: Seriously? This is a mystery that is spending over 3 hours of time focusing on this one plot point. You get that A0 didn't have threads trying to guess what is being lead up to with the clues in the show, right? A0 is a mecha show, it delivered mecha. This is a mystery that claimed it was an adventure for the first few episodes and is delivering neither. Not the show or the novel's fault that you automatically assumed it was a good versus evil beat 'em up due to it having a similiar setting. Sokah said: If you have 7 keys and you try 3, have you tried all the keys? Close enough, lets kill Adlet!!! Remember that thing about lying I told you or did you malfunction during that period of time? On another note, why Is it premature that people suspect that the first one who came In activated it, due to the aforementioned facts? Or are you just ranting now? You expecting the characters to realize they are In a mystery anime and automatically go for the least suspecious character first? Sokah said: Everything about it is a bad plot device. Even the soldiers not coming with them to activate the barrier. The "lets send the braves ahead alone without help so they have a better chance of dying, then once they're there, they can waste lots of time while we march there and suffer more attacks" is the dumbest plan ever, why no brave pointed that out or the fact that it could ever get made in the first place is silly. Did you notice how many soldier died despite being behind a wall In episode 3? Do you know how low a survival rate those soldiers would have if they followed the Braves into the fray? Impossibly low survival rate. Sokah said: Ooookay. You think that if someone offers you an opportunity to go somewhere that you'd be made a slave or murdered and all you had to do was kill anyone that didn't agree to come with you, you'd be totally be fine with that. Got it. You're utterly insane. No one in their right mind would do what they did, it had to be magic. Seriously, what part of getting made a slave or murdering your friends do YOU find really sells this whole thing as something a person would find to be a good idea? You are the master of prematurely judging situations. |
TylaenAug 18, 2015 3:28 PM
|
Tylaen said: LastIllusion said: So ehh when do they actually get out of this freaking fog ? You can spoiler me if you want, its just really irritating. At the end of the season. Jagd84 said: LastIllusion said: So ehh when do they actually get out of this freaking fog ? You can spoiler me if you want, its just really irritating. In addition to what Tylaen said: If episode 5 didn't make it clear enough: this a mystery show bro. Think Umikeko or Daganronpa. Thanks you two, I would like to upvote your posts if I could. Funny how at the start of the series they were so in a hurry to reach that demon lord country but now its like lets chill here and play Ace Attorney. |
LastIllusion said: Tylaen said: At the end of the season. Jagd84 said: In addition to what Tylaen said: If episode 5 didn't make it clear enough: this a mystery show bro. Think Umikeko or Daganronpa. Thanks you two, I would like to upvote your posts if I could. Funny how at the start of the series they were so in a hurry to reach that demon lord country but now its like lets chill here and play Ace Attorney. They can't get out. |
flannan said: She is not a monster, just a soldier (or spy) fighting for the other side. She did not do all that based on emotions or hatred, just being calculating and following orders. Ah yes, just following orders here, murdering innocents, slaughter children, totally not on me, just following orders. That is the kind of logic 8 year olds use when they're caught doing something bad. "But Timmy TOLD me to stab my sister with a pencil, not MY fault. You can't ground me this is unfair!" Also, no she isn't a soldier or spy, she is an assassin. A piece of trash who murders people. Like Humpty who is probably supposed to draw attention due to the fact he is a sub-human piece of garbage who kills people for money, but who of course idiots like because murdering people is cool. |
Tylaen said: Remember that thing about lying I told you Yes, you lied about something being in the show that wasn't and then insulted me. This seems to be your and Zeyfris's modus operandi. Tylaen said: Did you notice how many soldier died despite being behind a wall In episode 3? Do you know how low a survival rate those soldiers would have if they followed the Braves into the fray? Impossibly low survival rate. So your suggestion is that less soldiers would die if they didn't have the brave's protection? Even if this utter nonsense somehow makes sense to you, then all the soldiers had to do was follow a minute behind. |
Sokah said: .Tylaen said: Remember that thing about lying I told you Yes, you lied about something being in the show that wasn't and then insulted me. This seems to be your and Zeyfris's modus operandi I've yet to hear what I lied about but keep telling yourself that, breh. Sokah said: So your suggestion is that less soldiers would die if they didn't have the brave's protection? Even if this utter nonsense somehow makes sense to you, then all the soldiers had to do was follow a minute behind. Are you suggesting that the fiends, who are vastly superior In number and have shown signs of intelligence, don't know how to ambush people? I'm suggesting that the braves, even with their strength can't protect someone who Is unable to protect himself for very long. |
|
Ugoki said: They can't get out. They will get out. Obviously he's talking about the amount of screen time dedicated to doing so. An adventure show, which is what he was expecting since that is how it was portrayed at first, would have had them get out in an episode or two. But what we have is a mystery and they are slowly feeding you clues for you to think about rather than just show you the solution and keep the adventure going. |
| Starting to think Sokah Is just salty because he wanted this anime to be something else. |
|
Tylaen said: Sokah said: .Yes, you lied about something being in the show that wasn't and then insulted me. This seems to be your and Zeyfris's modus operandi I've yet to hear what I lied about but keep telling yourself that, breh. Sokah said: So your suggestion is that less soldiers would die if they didn't have the brave's protection? Even if this utter nonsense somehow makes sense to you, then all the soldiers had to do was follow a minute behind. Are you suggesting that the fiends, who are vastly superior In number and have shown signs of intelligence, don't know how to ambush people? I'm suggesting that the braves, even with their strength can't protect someone who Is unable to protect himself for very long. You're not suggesting anything, saying the soldiers would be safer without the braves. You're also saying the soldiers aren't safe without the braves. In other words you're just spouting gibberish to try and oppose what I say. |
Sokah said: In other words you're just spouting gibberish to try and oppose what I say. If that's what you choose to believe, despite evidence to the contrary, I can't stop you. |
|
Sokah said: Pat_To_Do-List said: @Sokah: I am surprised that you are very concerned about plot hole. You could enjoy an anime that brimmed with plot holes like Aldnoah.Zero, so I thought you would be just fine with this anime. Are you sure you do not like this anime because of "plot holes?" Because so far, I do not see any plot hole. Seriously? This is a mystery that is spending over 3 hours of time focusing on this one plot point. You get that A0 didn't have threads trying to guess what is being lead up to with the clues in the show, right? A0 is a mecha show, it delivered mecha. This is a mystery that claimed it was an adventure for the first few episodes and is delivering neither. Jagd84 said: In addition to what Tylaen said: If episode 5 didn't make it clear enough: this a mystery show bro. Think Umikeko or Daganronpa. That wasn't episode 5's job, it was episode 1's job. A LOT of people like LastIllusion there are either very frustrated or have dropped this show because of it. Frrrosty said: They did try though, in episode 4 there were, in fact, 3 attempts to deactivate the barrier If you have 7 keys and you try 3, have you tried all the keys? Close enough, lets kill Adlet!!! Frrrosty said: Also, everyone not knowing the deactivation sequence isn't a fault in the story writing, but an in-world mistake by the actual people who have been helping out the Braves and could be purposeful, we don't know yet. Everything about it is a bad plot device. Even the soldiers not coming with them to activate the barrier. The "lets send the braves ahead alone without help so they have a better chance of dying, then once they're there, they can waste lots of time while we march there and suffer more attacks" is the dumbest plan ever, why no brave pointed that out or the fact that it could ever get made in the first place is silly. Frrrosty said: What you have said isn't backed up by any evidence or deductive reasoning just personal experience (not trustworthy) and a cynical attitude. Ooookay. You think that if someone offers you an opportunity to go somewhere that you'd be made a slave or murdered and all you had to do was kill anyone that didn't agree to come with you, you'd be totally be fine with that. Got it. You're utterly insane. No one in their right mind would do what they did, it had to be magic. Seriously, what part of getting made a slave or murdering your friends do YOU find really sells this whole thing as something a person would find to be a good idea? Now I realize it's impossible to get through to some people even with supplied reasoning (well that's the mindset of a hater I guess). I forfeit. If you actually read my post properly you would know I never included any moral implications and neither did the show. Seriously, instead of completely attacking the straw man, could you actually take evidence FROM THE ANIME to support your points? Besides that, as Tylaen said, you really are prejudging things. The bottom line is that we, as the viewers aren't 100% sure PRECISELY why Adlet's community collapsed but we do know the most likely method, and it is most likely not magic. Why? Because of Occam's razor. If Adlet were to lie about what happened to his village then that would just sprout unnecessary questions, and thus, voila! you get a proper plot hole. THIS would be bad writing. If the Braves were to be as presumptuous as you, then I wouldn't mind becoming the Demon God. |
| Did someone say that it was a plot hole they didn't all try to deactivate the barrier? If I remember correctly, after Adlet cut himself and tried it, the princess threw a tantrum and broke/ripped 2 of the 3 items placed there? As for the way of deactivation, Adlet mentioned the previous saint of sand and something about using blood. I wonder why no one suspected that the princess didn't really panic, but did it on purpose, instead of blaming Adlet. As for soldiers, they might be loyal to the mission that is saving the world by killing the demon lord. They're willing to die because they would only slow the Braves down. Since they're the ones prophecized to kill the demon lord, slowing down would be bad, no? As for Adlet's village, his memories might have been changed or put inside his head for all we know. But if the flashback truly happened and he has nothing to do with the demon lord, it was either the fiend's supreme persuasion skills or magic. Also, how was it that only Adlet's sister, friend and himself weren't affected? If everyone besides them was present at some sort of a "meeting" with the fiend, then the village's system seriously sucks. Also wondering how his best friend and sister died. Possible answer: That fiend had it all planned in order to get Adlet to become the Brave and help resurrect the Demon Lord. How the f did he plan it so precisely and then realise is what I'd love to see. I mean, Fremy did say "That's what he wanted to happen" referring to the fiend. |
Andromalus said: Also, how was it that only Adlet's sister, friend and himself weren't affected? If everyone besides them was present at some sort of a "meeting" with the fiend, then the village's system seriously sucks. . The fiend only spoke to the adults of the village. Edit: Corrected myself after going back to the episode. Many weren't convinced. |
|
Zetsubo667 said: [ Zefyris said: No he didn't. He tried a way that proved to be wrong . no one knows how to dispel it, that's the point. Until all seven of them try out the same method that Adlet had done, you can't say for certain this is wrong. As Mora said only the one who cast the fog can dispel it. The only reason you would know for certain is if you're a LN reader or you spoiled yourself. She never said that. lok back at that episode, that's not what she's saying. |
ZefyrisAug 18, 2015 4:40 PM
|
Andromalus said: As for Adlet's village, his memories might have been changed or put inside his head for all we know. But if the flashback truly happened and he has nothing to do with the demon lord, it was either the fiend's supreme persuasion skills or magic. I agree. But the only solution i can see to the scenario about Adlet's memories being muddled and him not completely telling the truth to Fremy is that he is indeed the seventh and that he is unaware of it. |
Tylaen said: The fiend only spoke to the adults of the village. Edit: Corrected myself after going back to the episode. Many weren't convinced. Yeah, thought this might have been the case. My bad for going back myself. However, every single adult participating is also kind of weird to me. Frrrosty said: I agree. But the only solution i can see to the scenario about Adlet's memories being muddled and him not completely telling the truth to Fremy is that he is indeed the seventh and that he is unaware of it. Yeah, that's what I think too, but then Nashetaniya would be cleared even though in my mind she's 99% the fake. The only solution to that would be that they're both fakes except Adlet doesn't know it, but then we'd be missing a Brave. xD That'd also make for one hell of a complicated plan from the demon lord side. |
| Well, its not really frustrating, its just that if the author wanted to go this mystery road, he shouldve started with them being in this fog and explaining little by little what was going on. Instead we got a fast moving start with the impression of an adventure journey but we are now stucked in a room with people trying to find out who the fake is. Im still interested enough to watch this anime, heck watching an episode goes by really fast but I can understand that people dont wan to watch 7+ episodes of almost no plot progression. |
GSupernova said: Sokah said: Also, everyone should know the deactivation. Unless the plan was to have the brave who stayed behind to activate it starve to death in the barrier, never being able to release it, an astoundingly stupid plan and massive plot hole, then they'd have been told how to shut it down. I'm pretty sure it's a plot hole. If it wasn't, Zefyris would have challenged me on it when I brought it up like 5 episodes ago and almost every discussion thread since. If it isn't a plot hole, it pretty much implicates Mora 100%. As a LN reader, I will say its not a plot hole. Theres a reason that will be revealed, about the deactivation. |
Sokah said: Seriously? This is a mystery that is spending over 3 hours of time focusing on this one plot point. You get that A0 didn't have threads trying to guess what is being lead up to with the clues in the show, right? A0 is a mecha show, it delivered mecha. This is a mystery that claimed it was an adventure for the first few episodes and is delivering neither? Now that's making things much clearer. You do not like this anime not because it has plot holes, it's because you're disappointed that it's not an anime that focused on an adventure & more on a mystery. I knew it. It's nice to be honest, right? Now just do not try to act like there's some kind of plot hole in this anime just to justify your disappointment with it. GSupernova said: Sokah said: Also, everyone should know the deactivation. Unless the plan was to have the brave who stayed behind to activate it starve to death in the barrier, never being able to release it, an astoundingly stupid plan and massive plot hole, then they'd have been told how to shut it down. I'm pretty sure it's a plot hole. If it wasn't, Zefyris would have challenged me on it when I brought it up like 5 episodes ago and almost every discussion thread since. If it isn't a plot hole, it pretty much implicates Mora 100%. It seems some people really confused on what plot holes are. That's the problem, not the anime. Just to clear things up, let me try to explain plot holes. Plot holes are when: * Characters suddenly having knowledge that was never passed to them, or vice versa; characters not knowing something they knew last week, or something that anyone in their position must know. * An event does not logically follow from what has gone before. * An event occurring that other events in the work simply do not allow. Now let's see. The fact that all of Braves do not know how to turn the barrier off is not a plot hole, because it has not been established that every Brave has been told about how to turn it off. But isn't it weird that they're not told how to turn it off? Yes. And that's one of the mystery aspect. Why in the world no one told them about it? Maybe the barrier was made to trap the Braves in the first place? |
Pat_To_Do-ListAug 18, 2015 7:11 PM
| I like anime. |
| Mfw I check this thread and Sokah is still at it. Accept the fact that you were expecting something entirely different and move on. You're obviously arguing just for the sake of arguing at this point. They won't be leaving the fog until episode 12. I also find it extremely mind-blowing that people don't understand what plot holes are. It's also quite ironic that people don't pay attention to details in a show which they think they know everything about. |
AvaritiaAug 18, 2015 10:43 PM
 |
LastIllusion said: Well, its not really frustrating, its just that if the author wanted to go this mystery road, he shouldve started with them being in this fog and explaining little by little what was going on. Instead we got a fast moving start with the impression of an adventure journey but we are now stucked in a room with people trying to find out who the fake is. Im still interested enough to watch this anime, heck watching an episode goes by really fast but I can understand that people dont wan to watch 7+ episodes of almost no plot progression. And people wonder why shows like WMT are dying. |
Sokah said: Seriously? This is a mystery that is spending over 3 hours of time focusing on this one plot point. You get that A0 didn't have threads trying to guess what is being lead up to with the clues in the show, right? A0 is a mecha show, it delivered mecha. This is a mystery that claimed it was an adventure for the first few episodes and is delivering neither. This a worthless point to complain about for 2 reasons. 1) The show had already hinted at the mystery starting as the Braves all meet up both in the synopsis (which you can see right up there!) and the trailers. People where speculating on the very first episode onward who 7th. Demon God is just the background plot that would have never reached in his season at all because this an adaptation. All mysteries focus a one central plot point that the lead character (i.e detective in this story) has that how this genre works. And most people like mystery and adventure aspects so if anything your one of the few just being buthurt here. 2) Genre switches happening all the time and a show doesn't have be either or. The author doesn't have write the way you want him to at all. If you seriously had problem with that you could have dropped at an point. Instead you spent your time here ridiculously trying to attack the show with anything you can come up with and waste everyone's time. If your going stick around here then going have to deal with the fact the show had been building up to being a mystery. You're just mad that wasn't a generic adventure story. End of discussion. |
Iron_MawAug 19, 2015 1:11 AM
| >.< such a cliffhanger How come none of the seventh is suspicious towards Chamot? It's unknown what she was doing when the seal was broken, she wen't to play by herself and we saw her with something resembling a part of a fiend? I expected the seven to be less conclusive, and yet they love pointing fingers. |
 |
Sokah said: So your suggestion is that less soldiers would die if they didn't have the brave's protection? Even if this utter nonsense somehow makes sense to you, then all the soldiers had to do was follow a minute behind. Understand this, fortresses are almost always built in strategic positions. They garrison troops and are defensive strongholds. The soldiers clearly didn't have any men left to spare, so there's no way they could've gone with the braves, otherwise they would lose the fortress. Even then, even if they went, they would be burdening the braves. The braves move faster by themselves. The soldiers also have some injured among them, which would slow them to a snail's pace. So stop this stupid discussion and accept that it isn't just a plot hole. Sokah said: Ah yes, just following orders here, murdering innocents, slaughter children, totally not on me, just following orders. That is the kind of logic 8 year olds use when they're caught doing something bad. "But Timmy TOLD me to stab my sister with a pencil, not MY fault. You can't ground me this is unfair!" Also, no she isn't a soldier or spy, she is an assassin. A piece of trash who murders people. Like Humpty who is probably supposed to draw attention due to the fact he is a sub-human piece of garbage who kills people for money, but who of course idiots like because murdering people is cool. Please understand how conscience works before you talk about things you don't know. You're right, it's easy to distinguish between right and wrong and killing people, but have you ever tried doing it against an authority figure? Seriously, this is all fact and high school psychology. Look up the Milgram experiment, it's true. Unless they're a real sociopath, people naturally have a conscience they obey. But under the threat and pressure of an authority figure, people will do even the most horrible things. Examples include the holocaust and plenty of wars throughout history. It's especially easy to kill a person when you dehumanize them as well, which is no problem for Fremy because she thought of herself as a fiend and not a human. So before you call people and characters garbage because of things you assume, know that it's not as simple as you think. EDIT: Here's a link if you want to know more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment |
IronLobsterAug 18, 2015 11:55 PM
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world."  Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
Axernea said: >.< such a cliffhanger How come none of the seventh is suspicious towards Chamot? It's unknown what she was doing when the seal was broken, she wen't to play by herself and we saw her with something resembling a part of a fiend? I expected the seven to be less conclusive, and yet they love pointing fingers. Adlet is the most logical suspect because of his actions and where he was. Even if Chamo was the 7th, how is anyone going to pin it on her over the only one who have entered the temple? |
More topics from this board
Poll: » Rokka no Yuusha Episode 12 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Sep 19, 2015 |
986 |
by Heertx
»»
Jun 5, 6:32 AM |
|
» Amazing untilRealityChanges - Jun 10, 2024 |
15 |
by JCDRANZER
»»
Apr 28, 4:14 AM |
|
» TerribleDiznyOrdiz - Nov 15, 2024 |
12 |
by JCDRANZER
»»
Apr 28, 2:52 AM |
|
» I need SPOILERS from the novel ( 1 2 )-Bo0O- - Aug 1, 2015 |
69 |
by DrakoakAnime
»»
Apr 19, 8:12 PM |
|
Poll: » Rokka no Yuusha Episode 4 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Jul 25, 2015 |
305 |
by Rexnihilo
»»
Jun 14, 2024 6:10 AM |