Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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nogitsunechaos said: He is far from just being annoying. He actually is pretty smart himself and he will soon stop saying it that often.Adlet...please someone kill him. I love his actual design and look but everytime he talks.."Im the strongest man" BS....I just want him to die. |
| @Tylaen >that's is why it's kiddy. am not gonna elaborate more. I get a bad omen from your post and profile pic. >obviously @Ugoki >my intent. ya too serious. @Pat_To_Do-List > but for a wise adlet to face, half-ass, a killing, murdering assassin seems not so wise. > My fault, am not obvious. i referred to the way the writer turned the series on the 7th thing instead of the goal introduced by the early ep. I read some post here and sensed there are 2 different sides, probably why the discuss. is lively, not 'cause the ep. is well received. |
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animeBee1ver said: @Pat_To_Do-List > but for a wise adlet to face, half-ass, a killing, murdering assassin seems not so wise. > My fault, am not obvious. i referred to the way the writer turned the series on the 7th thing instead of the goal introduced by the early ep. Firstly, Adlet is not a wise man in the first place. It's never established by the anime that he is wise. Secondly, right when he's accused as the 7th Brave, he's never thinking about taking revenge on the other Braves because of the false accusation. And in this episode it's established that he's not trying to kill any Brave, hence he's not focusing on defeating one of the Braves & focusing more on finding out who's the 7th & 8th Braves without harming anybody. And that's why when he did face Hans, he's trying to escape & not harming him. That's still the main conflict of the show, to defeat the Demon God. It's not going anywhere. The 7th Brave conflict is more of a mini arc that set in a greater arc about defeating the Demon God. It's apparent in many shows & not a new thing. |
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animeBee1ver said: I read some post here and sensed there are 2 different sides, probably why the discuss. is lively, not 'cause the ep. is well received. >Poll votes and most comments are very positive >Not well received Yeah sure whatever you say buddy. |
| @Pat_To_Do-List > hm.. we'll just have to agree to disagree. I got the impression the he was shown that way. and even if he isn't, no harming anyone is too "kiddy", like I posted before > I worry, with only 12 ep. @Jagd84 > aint nothing but a thing. |
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| If you were expecting an action heavy anime about defeating the demon lord, then you mistook the anime. Which was an easy enough mistake to make, but could have been avoided by reading the synopsis or the trailers. It's the same for gakkou gurashi for example. If you were expecting moe slice and life, that wasn't it. It's not especially rare for a story to play a bit with the reader by surprising him/her on what the story is about. Heck like I said just now, even in this season we already have 2 shows like that. The only problem with this is that for peoples who don't like detective stories well, this series is not for them anymore. So well can't help it if you think it's not for you. |
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animeBee1ver said: @Pat_To_Do-List > hm.. we'll just have to agree to disagree. I got the impression the he was shown that way. and even if he isn't, no harming anyone is too "kiddy", like I posted before > I worry, with only 12 ep. Oh, really? You got the impression that he's a wise man? Why's that? Was there any specific scene that made you think like that? With 12 episodes, of course the main arc will not be finished. But again, it's not a new thing in the anime industry. There are so many anime shows that do not finish the main arc within a season. What would be finished with this 12 episodes is probably the 7th Brave arc. I think you need to understand more about arc, storyline, plot, & many more. Your criticism is mainly directed towards the fact that it's not going to finish the main arc about defeating the Demon God in one season, which is not a valid criticism in any way. I understand that you are disappointed by that fact, but that's nothing more than one of many ways to structure/compose a narrative. It's like saying an anime is bad because it's structured as episodic type of show. |
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| Well, I'm finding this really funny how the 'critics' here are trying to find flaws to the show but are only finding the wrong ones due to not paying attention to the dialogue/scenes, mistaking Rokka as a pure fantasy/action show and thereby using the incorrect criteria to judge the show, or simply subverting criticism with opinion. Don't take these as ad hominems, just observations of the comment section. What's even more interesting and the biggest whoop to all of this, is that all these said 'criticisms' contradict each other. Let's take some examples shall we? GSupernova: "this episode was irrelevant to the mystery due to unrelated character development." Zen (from RandomC): "Right now, the story and the characters lack depth as we haven't got any insight into the backstory/motives of the main characters" (episode 6) Really? How paradoxical can you get? So now, Zen's false criticism is now debunked this episode due to complex character development of Fremy and Adlet and their motive for becoming a brave yet someone else disagrees with him and says that they could have spent more time on the mystery. Who am I meant to listen to? And don't get me started on how many people -somehow- have completely misunderstood some of the characters and resort to using buzzwords like 'cliche' and 'annoying' to support their arguments, you can't get anymore vague than this. |
| @Pat_To_Do-List > wise = having or showing experience, knowledge, and good judgment. How he fights, and trained. and handled probs. in early eps. don't ask specifics man. > that was the response of your "That's still the main conflict of the show...". but I doubt it is main if its unfinished. and just 'cause there are many like it doesn't mean it's not a fault. it's a fallacy. |
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animeBee1ver said: > that was the response of your "That's still the main conflict of the show...". but I doubt it is main if its unfinished. and just 'cause there are many like it doesn't mean it's not a fault. it's a fallacy. Wait. So because adaptation doesn't finish it's story in one season it's fault? Do you like watch anything on TV? Because by you logic anything that seasonal series is bad because it's has a continuous plot that can't be told in one sitting. Who's making ridiculous fallacies just to sit ones own opinion now? At this point you might as well watch only original works. animeBee1ver said: > but for a wise adlet to face, half-ass, a killing, murdering assassin seems not so wise. > My fault, am not obvious. i referred to the way the writer turned the series on the 7th thing instead of the goal introduced by the early ep.. You're first point has nothing to do with wisdom. He's fighting with Hans because he has no choice and even then he's still thinking of escaping. You act as if Adlet has to kill him anyway. The second, the series was always mystery from the start. Even the whole 7th thing was in synopsis and the trailers. And it was formally introduced in ep 5 which was plenty early and still has to do with Demon God. |
Iron_MawAug 17, 2015 3:22 AM
| @Jagd84 > can't understand you man/woman. too sarcastic. (i'll check that post later. promise.) |
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animeBee1ver said: @Pat_To_Do-List > wise = having or showing experience, knowledge, and good judgment. How he fights, and trained. and handled probs. in early eps. don't ask specifics man. > that was the response of your "That's still the main conflict of the show...". but I doubt it is main if its unfinished. and just 'cause there are many like it doesn't mean it's not a fault. it's a fallacy. among the 5 series of this seasons you were watching (if I didn't miss one) 3 of them are like that including RnY. that's 60% of what you choose to watch. From starter, you're using MAL, so you have access easily to that type of info. If you want to start a series and be sure it's not going to end in a "read the manga/novel" then just look in the relation line if it has adaptation... Ushio to Tora is a 33 volumes long manga, Overlord and RnY are novels still running, so that was obvious from the start you would not see an end to the main novel/manga plot but only an end to the plot of some arcs. you can't accuse an anime to do that when most of them do AND that you could know that before selecting what you watch. If it's really important to you to have conclusive ending, not doing that simple check that take like 10sec before selecting what you want to watch isn't logical. Especially when more than half of the series are adaptation, you're just asking for it. |
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| Hi @Zefyris (like you profile pic btw) > some anime do that. and it is an unattractive feature, w/c means it is a fault, which means it is subject to criticism against anime as a whole. (ey before you object, I checked the dictionary for that logic) > unless you think it is not an unattractive feature? > But like liking someone, it is one of the many things. |
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animeBee1ver said: @Pat_To_Do-List > wise = having or showing experience, knowledge, and good judgment. How he fights, and trained. and handled probs. in early eps. don't ask specifics man. > that was the response of your "That's still the main conflict of the show...". but I doubt it is main if its unfinished. and just 'cause there are many like it doesn't mean it's not a fault. it's a fallacy. He's far from wise then. He's experienced in fighting, yes. But does that mean he's a wise man? No. I think he's more of a brash person. Remember how he joined the tournament without an invitation & fought the warriors who supposed to compete with each other? And so far, we have been shown that he was trained by his teacher for fighting & to be strong physically, not becoming wise. And I think it's pretty clear he's not the kind of wise character. I think you really should learn more about narrative & how arcs/plotline work. You seem to confused about things & blame the things that you do not understand. I understand where you're coming from, you're expecting the main arc to be finished in one season yet it does not seem to be like that. And it's understandable that you are disappointed. But to make your disappointment as an argument to say that's a flaw, now that's unwise of you. And you have no argument in saying that this kind of narrative structure is a fallacy. If you have, then please let me know & make me understand why it is a fallacy. |
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KamSung said: And really though, when are we gonna see the saints use their powers? Up till now only Nachetanya has been using her powers frequently, do the Saints even have any powers? We've seen Fremy use her powers these two episodes. Since her power is just "creating gunpowder", it's easy enough to miss, but she has created that "firecracker" for Adlet in front of our eyes, and it defies the way normal firecrackers work. Dead_Walk said: woghhh Hans vs Adlet and Chamo...absolutely totally insane little creepy innocent scary psycho KID what is exactly her abilities anyway guys ? i am confused here, knowing she is saint of swamp Playing with glowing snakes? Either those snakes are her power, or that's a random demon she has caught and blasted with her power till it started glowing. I'm pretty sure snakes don't normally glow like that. It's Mora's powers that we haven't seen yet, except in the opening. That "punch people really hard" power looks like she could be a good shounen protagonist. @Mora calling the shots That's because she's used to ordering people around, as a leader of saints. Adlet, Fremy, Hans and Chamo definitely aren't. Goldof probably isn't too, but he might have commanded a band of knights at some point. Nashetania could have taken charge too, being a princess, but she doesn't want to hunt Adlet. Still, if she is the 7th, she might do a lot of harm hlubkoj2020 said: So here is my question again: Why did no one suspect Nashetania? 1) Because they don't know they are in a detective story. Most of the suspicions about her on these forums are based upon the fact that she is one of the least likely culprits, thus is likely to be one - the same reasoning that makes heroes facing 1 to million chances likely to win. That makes a story interesting, but is not a good way to solve actual crimes. 2) Because Nashetania is the heir to the biggest and strongest country in the world. There just isn't much the demons can offer to tempt her, provided they can get to talk to her at all. It's not like Tgurneu can just walk into the palace, greet the guards and ask to speak with the princess. She doesn't even have enough surviving relatives to take hostage (well, there's the king who tried to kill her, and some really distant relatives that she doesn't even know). 3) Because to them, Nashetania is much the same as Chamo - mentally unstable and spoiled, but really powerful Saint who was probably chosen for her sheer destructiveness, not for her brains. Just compare Nashetania's rain of swords to Fremy's puny bullets. Comander-07 said: I feel sorry for the goddess of fate. She has to choose between psychos, spoiled bitches, and dumb kids. like this. |
Pat_To_Do-List said: animeBee1ver said: @Pat_To_Do-List > wise = having or showing experience, knowledge, and good judgment. How he fights, and trained. and handled probs. in early eps. don't ask specifics man. > that was the response of your "That's still the main conflict of the show...". but I doubt it is main if its unfinished. and just 'cause there are many like it doesn't mean it's not a fault. it's a fallacy. He's far from wise then. He's experienced in fighting, yes. But does that mean he's a wise man? No. I think he's more of a brash person. Remember how he joined the tournament without an invitation & fought the warriors who supposed to compete with each other? And so far, we have been shown that he was trained by his teacher for fighting & to be strong physically, not becoming wise. And I think it's pretty clear he's not the kind of wise character. Adlet is strong in a fight (and even stronger when he has gadgets to use), intelligent, well-educated and fights for a good cause, but he is not wise by any measure. He got all of his skills from his teacher (not from walking the world and facing random dangers and situations), his choices are often rash, and so on. |
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esket said: Farabeuf said: Hans interested before, but now he's walking smug and irritating clichee. I cannot wait for him to be owned by Adlet or someone else. Having said that, it'd be too obvious if he's the 7th. I think the princess is the one. I agree. At first I liked him but this episode every time he opened his mouth I just kept saying shut up. This episode we got Bunny Girl ignoring the sound and putting blame on Hans By now i'm convinced that she has done it on purpose, to not let Goldof and Hans overwhelm Adlet (since she thinks that Adlet isn't the real 7th, and those two are the ones who tried to kill him outright). esket said: and Chamot doing some suspicious shit in the forest. Is she really supposed to be 14 because she acts like a 6 year old and is irritating me. Chamo definitely acts too young. I'd bet they inflated her stated age in the anime to make past some censorship (kinda like in hentai all the schoolgirls are definitely 18 or older), but the novel states the same. She's only 2 years younger than Goldof, right? CaptainKatsuura said: Zefyris said: Bu-but she's just a little girlplaying in the forest right? With glowing snakes. Well she wanted to kill /torture someone who tried to assassinate her lol. And her proposition about torturing adlet was actually more reasonable than Hans and Goldof's option and by far the most logical choice at that time. x) While that's true I still maintain that a little girl (I mean how old is she? 10? 12?) wanting to kill and torture people is just a little bit creepy. Just a little bit though. Apart from the killing and torturing she's positively adorable (and I don't care what anyone says, glowing snakes are awesome). Chamo says she is 14. Ordinary people become teenagers by that age, but not Chamo. Maybe it is because she is an evil shapeshifter demon? But she has no problems entering the temple... |
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animeBee1ver said: Hi @Zefyris (like you profile pic btw) > some anime do that. and it is an unattractive feature, w/c means it is a fault, which means it is subject to criticism against anime as a whole. (ey before you object, I checked the dictionary for that logic) > unless you think it is not an unattractive feature? > But like liking someone, it is one of the many things. Well I wouldn't ask better than seeing anime adapting until the end rather than stopping at some point. WHat I'm seeing here isn't that. If no one buy those there is no money for it. RnY wasn't selling a lot, it's still not selling a lot, the publisher is new (they took RnY which was published by another small publisher before) and it's their first try to advertise one of their novels as an anime, the anime studio is new and has probably very little money too, and the previsions for the BD sales (which usually are frightening accurate) are displaying very low sales for the BD/DVD. It's a problem with the whole anime market here. The way the animation in RnY is going bad is clearly that they're cutting cost to avoid going in the red after seeing the sales previsions a few weeks back, but even without talking about RnY precisely, as long as making anime has almost no money gain from it, you're only going to see most anime adaptation being ordered by the publisher as an advertising. And an advertising has no reason to adapt a series already finished since it doesn't work well, and no reason to make several seasons to achieve the advertising goal, except if the effect was especially big. So yeah, blaming specificaly a problem that apply to the whole anime industry to a specific anime isn't really going to prove anything. Of course you can dislike that kind of thing. Who would not. I personally gave up about seeing one day anime as a full fledged media rather than a media completely dependent to other medias to survive. If yo uwant a media which usually tells you the story until the end, anime is the worst possible choice. Going for novels and manga would be better. Well thanks. That's also for a novel but this one never got an anime adaptation (not like it could anyway, far too twisted and gruesome for that) |
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| I like the pacing in this show a lot. What I'm concerned with is that if this is only 12 episodes, how are they going to end the show since it doesn't seem like we are going to see the fight with the Demon God. I really hope there is a second season or this might end up like Berserk by ending right when it felt like the main part was starting. |
Inugirlz said: CodeKirugin said: I have a theory. During the few episodes ago. Mora said if one of the braves dies, one of the petals on the flower crest thing will disappear right? So, what if, they decide to kill one of them, that braves dies and the rest of the braves flower crest would be missing one petal out of six petals. Then the one who still has six petals would considered to be the "fake" one right? thats a good theory, let's hope someone like Chamo is killed to prove this theory. (of course she could be the fake too but i don't think so) I've already read the LN up until this episode and it pretty much confirms that 2 out of the 7 is innocent, but its the same info we already know just presented more clearly because of 3rd person writing and all. I want character deaths and if someone's gotta die make it be Chamo! (Or the princess cuz she's annoying, idc if she's innocent or not i don't like her) But the thing about this theory is if they're willing to bet that brave to be killed unless they're lucky to killed the traitor, I mean who knows how strong the traitor and especially the Demon God this time is?What I'm trying to say is that that theory of yours is kinda risky but effective in a way. |
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| So with everything that happened and with how the show is pacing itself, we can assume that by end of the season they will finally start their journey to the demon king? Would have preferred to see a backstory on the fiends and how they came about. Creation, purpose and overall goal because so far they seem like the stereotypical boogie man. |
| Even Goldov knows that Nashetania is acting weird. Hans it's crazy... |
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| pffft chamo aint suspicious AT ALL, neither is hans adlet dont die bby ;-; |
Gov said: So with everything that happened and with how the show is pacing itself, we can assume that by end of the season they will finally start their journey to the demon king? Would have preferred to see a backstory on the fiends and how they came about. Creation, purpose and overall goal because so far they seem like the stereotypical boogie man. If you mean it becomes a stereotypical action adventure story again then no. The entire series consists of one mystery after another which advances the plot taking places in different location and battles in each novel much like this adaptation. They all involve everything from the developing the characters to expanding the history of the Fiends and past wars. There six books out already and still ongoing. Basically Rokka is best described as an action mystery story/ |
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fredchickens said: Inugirlz said: thats a good theory, let's hope someone like Chamo is killed to prove this theory. (of course she could be the fake too but i don't think so) I've already read the LN up until this episode and it pretty much confirms that 2 out of the 7 is innocent, but its the same info we already know just presented more clearly because of 3rd person writing and all. I want character deaths and if someone's gotta die make it be Chamo! (Or the princess cuz she's annoying, idc if she's innocent or not i don't like her) But the thing about this theory is if they're willing to bet that brave to be killed unless they're lucky to killed the traitor, I mean who knows how strong the traitor and especially the Demon God this time is?What I'm trying to say is that that theory of yours is kinda risky but effective in a way. That idea is for one thing, chancey because an innocent brave could die. For two, we dont know the nature of the crests. Its possible its some magic that could copy all the other crests, so that solution may not be full proof. |
| Well, this episode established a good bond between Adlet and Fremy (RIP first ship but whatever romance is not the main here) and I think I heard Akira Ishida (the fiend from Adlet's backstory) Man man they builded now a lot of things, I can't wait for the Seventh Brave reveal (its not Adlet i swear) |
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SweetCoconut said: and I think I heard Akira Ishida (the fiend from Adlet's backstory) You heard well, that was him indeed. :] |
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| @Zefyris > thanks for the info (interesting). Still unappealing though, for the entire anime industry. > it is worrisome, like I said. but among its cohorts, most are published for advertising (ref. only from you, 'tis new to me, but it's like a lawyer's response, "most, some, few"), few don't, some, already ended/finished, so it is unavoidable to start an anime with that criterion. but it is not the only reason. @Pat_To_Do-List > it's what it looks like. People clapping, me bowing, offering you a coke. |
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| Wait did the princess pretend not to hear anything in order to bait Goldof? Sure looked that way. And how does she intend to 'find proof that Hans is the 7th" by randomly walking around? Poor Goldof I hope he doesn't get killed. |
Andromalus said: Wait did the princess pretend not to hear anything in order to bait Goldof? Sure looked that way. And how does she intend to 'find proof that Hans is the 7th" by randomly walking around? Poor Goldof I hope he doesn't get killed. We will miss his exposed abdomen if he bites the dust.  |
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Andromalus said: Wait did the princess pretend not to hear anything in order to bait Goldof? Sure looked that way. And how does she intend to 'find proof that Hans is the 7th" by randomly walking around? Poor Goldof I hope he doesn't get killed. Wasn't that to save Adlet? what do you think would have happened if Goldof went back while Adlet was fighting Hans? |
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Well, I would understand if she said something like "let's keep going" but "let's hurry up to prove Hans is the seventh" is way too suspicious to me. Not to mention her 'panic attack' from episode 4. Also the way they animated her when she said it is extremely suspicious because they didn't show her face. This screams GUILTY to me, might be overthinking it. Saw it a couple of times which only made me think she's the 7th even more. Just, Goldof don't die plz cause: Tylaen said: We will miss his exposed abdomen if he bites the dust. |
Tylaen said: We will miss his exposed abdomen if he bites the dust. RIGHT? Dem abs~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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animeBee1ver said: @Pat_To_Do-List > it's what it looks like. People clapping, me bowing, offering you a coke. Your point is? |
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| Can't bother to quote that text, but if you go by "made by manga artists" then why the f does Adlet have red hair? Red being a symbol of demons, I'd say it's possible he is the fake, although he might have had his memories altered or something. Imo he or the annoying princess is the fake , but that leaves Adlet's 8th theory. There's probably someone left to be introduced. Also, couldn't they make Hans the most suspicious one because they knew people would think that rids him of suspicion? Although I doubt it, it's definitely possible if they considered how much people want to play smart. (nothing against those people <3) As for others, I can't really make out what you said, but Adlet's red hair might not have anything to do with anything and Nashetania might just be retarded and the little child might be the mastermind behind everything. Haters may say she has had chances to kill everyone, but where's the fun in that if she's a psycho? |
Zetsubo667 said: Adlet really is an idiot, because he hasn't realised that he's already proved his innocence back in episode 4. As Mora said in episode 5, there are two ways to release the seal, either the caster dispells it themselves or die. Adlet attempted to dispell the fog back in episode 4 with Nashetania and Goldov as his witnesses. If he only pointed this out to the rest of them, this situation wouldn't be happening right now. Adlet attempted to deactivate the barrier back then, but what he did was only an attempt without any knowledge on how to deactivate it. He's just trying the methods to deactivate it that he had heard of(some kind of rumors). It's also been established in episode 5 that none of them know exactly how to deactivate it. |
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MasaneX said: yuliyana29 said: In that case, why even bother to adapt the LN into anime? So CRUEL T_T Well they couldn't have known how it would sell. And I wouldn't find such a gem of a lightnovel if they didn't make it the adaptation. ^^ yUuRi_03 said: So basically, this season's story will be just about seven people, trapped in a certain location due to a spell and will put their wits out to determine a fake hero and try kill to kill him or her. meh.. sheesh..pretty slow development and not going to be surprised if the last episode, they still won't be able to get out from that trap. The fiend though...disturbing. Yeah, it will be about the Illusion Barrier, though I wouldn't say ''meh'' to it, I think it's an awesome arc. Also, the Illusion Barrier issue will be solved this season. If the entire season will be spent on that barrier, hopefully it will get another season... |
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CodeKirugin said: NowOrNever88 said: That idea is for one thing, chancey because an innocent brave could die. For two, we dont know the nature of the crests. Its possible its some magic that could copy all the other crests, so that solution may not be full proof. That is true, but magic simply somehow copies the Six brave flower crest to the full extent could be hard or even possible, but again it's anime anything goes. LN reader hint: |
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