Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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| of course they had to have a loli |
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| Why are people so surprised about the fake? You guys don't read the synopsis? |
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| Quote from episode 4: Chamot: "I'm the Saint of Swamps, Chamot Rosso." Adlet: "I'm the strongest man in the world, Adlet Myer" Chamot: "The strongest in the world? Wouldn't that be Chamot?" So Chamot admits to being man. While in episode 2: Adlet: "Why would I be jealous of a Saint? Anyway, only women are Saints..." |
MissatanJul 26, 2015 11:16 AM
| Chamo is a girl :p. Not really the smartest girl around though. But she isn't an idiot, either. The fact that Chamo called Adlet an idiot hurts though xD |
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| Another great ep from the hidden gem of the season. Not even gonna try & guess who's the fake brave for now. At least until we get to know the other braves that were just introduced - the speculation would never end. |
| So they got to the 7 heroes. I'm just surprised to see how many people haven't read the synopsis... Hans seems most suspicios by appereance and behaviour for now, but I think that actually would be too obvious, so I count him out. Surprised that Framy admitted being the Brave-killer. Up till now I thought that that person would be the same one as the fake Brave, but now I understand that it's not necessarily the case? Other than that, the animation did have some derp-moments, when even I notice them myself it means something. However, I still think it's a great show, but some studios are better than others at hiding the budget cuts. |
| Wow, the OST keeps impressing me. Overall, a nice episode, just the animation that looks a bit off, sasuga low budget. |
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| Lol'd at the QUALITY but still quite good, didn't expect a full introduction of every member in this episode to be honest, looking forward to see who the "fake" is. Probably no one? I'm guessing. |
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CookingPriest said: What we hear of him talking to himself is ambiguous enough. Even his reaction to the idea of the fake in the end is ambiguous enough. He did not recognize the princess at first but he figured it out when he found the sword. And sure he seems innocent one moment and then he manipulates Fremy into traveling together by pretending to completely trust her(while he is monitoring her moves with a mirror) He's risked his life several times already chasing after that girl and defending her from those other two, when it was clearly very dangerous to do so. But because he used a small mirror to check what the person pointing a loaded magical rifle at his back was doing, you think he's not being honest? Would you prefer him to not have any self preservation instinct at all? I don't know why you insist on making Adlet into some fantasy Lelouch who is tricking everyone, including the audience, when all his actions until now have been heroic, he puts himself in danger to protect strangers, and hasn't given any indication of double crossing anyone or wanting anything other than to meet with the other heroes and fulfill his mission. Not even one evil smirk. If he were any purer he'd be a Naruto clone. |
| Great episode. TBH I would instantly jump the brave killer after that, she still needs to go to jail after the demon is killed anyways. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Well... well well well...... There were some major events throughout, but first I must admit that I'm really surprised that Fremy even decided to follow the other Rokkas after they tried so hard to slice her head off. As much as I saw Adlet's intervention calm Nashitania and subsequently Goldov off, I don't see any reason why Fremy would trust this idiot of a man who met up with Nashitania before meeting up with herself. Shouldn't she be even more suspicious that it was all a trap set by the three of them to lull her into a sense of false security before they took her down? If it were up to me, I would have just ran off and told the others not to bother one another..... Like Adlet said in this episode, he did save her life. Remember that the two of them could've easily killed her, and if Adlet decides to join in, there wouldn't even be a struggle. They wouldn't need to lead her into a trap since killing her on spot would be faster. She can't run away either since as Adlet demonstrated in episode 3, he is indeed faster than her. In other words, she has no choice but to trust Adlet or be killed by the other two. |
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world."  Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
| I have my suspicions on the princess.... Also, was I the only one annoyed at the end when they kept spinning the camera on them for a solid 20 seconds -_- |
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Shiba- said: I have my suspicions on the princess.... Also, was I the only one annoyed at the end when they kept spinning the camera on them for a solid 20 seconds -_- You aren't, that was pretty weird could almost make a person dizzy. |
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Epicenter said: Shiba- said: I have my suspicions on the princess.... Also, was I the only one annoyed at the end when they kept spinning the camera on them for a solid 20 seconds -_- You aren't, that was pretty weird could almost make a person dizzy. I thought it was a nice shot for the first two spins... then the 3rd spin... then I got tired of it. |
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world." Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
Axelucard_ said: of course they had to have a loli As long as she isn't sexualized, it's fine by me.In fact I wouldn't even call her a loli until it happens, it's just a kid? |
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| Adlet the faker! |
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Epicenter said: Axelucard_ said: of course they had to have a loli As long as she isn't sexualized, it's fine by me.In fact I wouldn't even call her a loli until it happens, it's just a kid? I think she's 13 years old. |
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| But who sealed them in??????????? Could it been those knights ( someone controlling them) or that fiend/human Nachetania is suspicious and Chamo Hope for more clues later on. |
| Not bad episode, though again ends with cliffhanger. And according to OP neither of them seems to be a traitor. So maybe Goddes of Fate was drunk? |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
flannan said: L-Ryoshi said: That said, Mora only introduced herself and spoke a few lines, but her immediate reaction of shutting up Chamo seemed a tad suspicious. Everybody who knows Chamo (Mora and Nashetania) seems to take stopping Chamo as a first priority. Maybe it's because she's the kind of person who suggests murder as a solution to every situation? Which is exactly why I said I'd reserve judgment until the next episode. However, the difference between Nashetania and Mora are marked when stopping Chamo. Whilst Nashetania struggled to convince her to stop her senseless attempt at Fremy's life, Mora commanded it, expecting Chamo to accede. It's plenty obvious that Mora has more power over Chamo than Nashitania does. Plus, you know the most innocent lines of "Stop that dear, lets talk about it later.... alone" are sometimes the best (and only) indication of a guilty party. IronLobster said: L-Ryoshi said: Well... well well well...... There were some major events throughout, but first I must admit that I'm really surprised that Fremy even decided to follow the other Rokkas after they tried so hard to slice her head off. As much as I saw Adlet's intervention calm Nashitania and subsequently Goldov off, I don't see any reason why Fremy would trust this idiot of a man who met up with Nashitania before meeting up with herself. Shouldn't she be even more suspicious that it was all a trap set by the three of them to lull her into a sense of false security before they took her down? If it were up to me, I would have just ran off and told the others not to bother one another..... Like Adlet said in this episode, he did save her life. Remember that the two of them could've easily killed her, and if Adlet decides to join in, there wouldn't even be a struggle. They wouldn't need to lead her into a trap since killing her on spot would be faster. She can't run away either since as Adlet demonstrated in episode 3, he is indeed faster than her. In other words, she has no choice but to trust Adlet or be killed by the other two. Good points, but she gave into it all without even a fight or a discussion. She could have openly stated "I don't want to travel with any of you, I'm afraid for my own life. Let me leave and I'll make a pact to not bother any of you either. I just want to complete my own objective, which no longer involves killing Rokkas (which I am now one)." The others may disapprove after that, but logic would still be on her side. And as I mentioned in my other post. Not killing her (or anyone for that matter) THEN could be a matter of it being "not yet the right time" and not because "they couldn't do it previously". They could be waiting to kill off the Demon Lord first before taking her out, or to have her join their expedition, and have her "accidentally" dying on the way to complete the quest, hence preserving their own names whilst still killing her off (ala Ubel Blatt, I know I read way too much stuff). |
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| Alright the art seemed great the first glance but wtf the animation quality just keeps dropping. The action scenes seem sluggish. I don't really get why people are rating the episode so greatly. |
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| Great episode. So now we have seven Braves here, huh. Wonder which one's the fake. Talk about a twist. Looking forward to next episode. |
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| top 3 suspects for me Adlet, princess and the dude with his face covered animation continues to drop sadly |
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| Everyone just loves the number 7, huh? lol Wonder if there really is a fake. |
YEEART said: Epicenter said: As long as she isn't sexualized, it's fine by me.In fact I wouldn't even call her a loli until it happens, it's just a kid? I think she's 13 years old. The novels list her age as 14 years old, and say she looks 13 or 14. I guess she got de-aged in the anime, to better fit her behavior (it's easy to forget she's 14 in the novels because her behavior is too childish). |
Rinji- said: Alright the art seemed great the first glance but wtf the animation quality just keeps dropping. The action scenes seem sluggish. I don't really get why people are rating the episode so greatly. It's more for the tension. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
L-Ryoshi said: flannan said: Everybody who knows Chamo (Mora and Nashetania) seems to take stopping Chamo as a first priority. Maybe it's because she's the kind of person who suggests murder as a solution to every situation? Which is exactly why I said I'd reserve judgment until the next episode. However, the difference between Nashetania and Mora are marked when stopping Chamo. Whilst Nashetania struggled to convince her to stop her senseless attempt at Fremy's life, Mora commanded it, expecting Chamo to accede. It's plenty obvious that Mora has more power over Chamo than Nashitania does. Plus, you know the most innocent lines of "Stop that dear, lets talk about it later.... alone" are sometimes the best (and only) indication of a guilty party. IronLobster said: Like Adlet said in this episode, he did save her life. Remember that the two of them could've easily killed her, and if Adlet decides to join in, there wouldn't even be a struggle. They wouldn't need to lead her into a trap since killing her on spot would be faster. She can't run away either since as Adlet demonstrated in episode 3, he is indeed faster than her. In other words, she has no choice but to trust Adlet or be killed by the other two. Good points, but she gave into it all without even a fight or a discussion. She could have openly stated "I don't want to travel with any of you, I'm afraid for my own life. Let me leave and I'll make a pact to not bother any of you either. I just want to complete my own objective, which no longer involves killing Rokkas (which I am now one)." The others may disapprove after that, but logic would still be on her side. And as I mentioned in my other post. Not killing her (or anyone for that matter) THEN could be a matter of it being "not yet the right time" and not because "they couldn't do it previously". They could be waiting to kill off the Demon Lord first before taking her out, or to have her join their expedition, and have her "accidentally" dying on the way to complete the quest, hence preserving their own names whilst still killing her off (ala Ubel Blatt, I know I read way too much stuff). What do you mean preserving their own names? It's not like killing a brave killer would dirty your name. I think it's odder that they agreed to allow her to live and be around them than her not refusing to go along after Adlet saved her, she even mentioned that they were previously on her list. I don't think logic would be on her side, as that logic stands on them trusting a killer over a "pact" to leave them alone. And if the only reason to trust her is because Braves must want to kill the demon king, and wouldn't kill each other, then the same logic of them possibly deciding to kill her later would also apply to her deciding to kill them later. Outside as fans it's probably more obvious that she probably isn't the traitor or a threat, but in story you'd have like 0 reason to trust her or allow her to live aside from Brave duty as needing all of you together to kill the demon king, which also means you can't let her be alone and face him five on one instead of six, the only logical thing in story to do is either kill her so she isn't a threat though it runs the risk of facing the demon king 5 on 1 or force her to stay with you to face him six on one though it runs the risk of her betraying you. Letting her go to run the risk of her killing you off from a distance-she has guns- and/or running the risk of you facing the demon king 5 on 1 while she's doing solo work doesn't make sense to me as that'd be the worst of both worlds. |
EpicenterJul 27, 2015 12:20 AM
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black1blade said: Rinji- said: Alright the art seemed great the first glance but wtf the animation quality just keeps dropping. The action scenes seem sluggish. I don't really get why people are rating the episode so greatly. It's more for the tension. That and what I Said In my first post. Didn't go In expecting a fluid action show. Those rarely happen unless you are ufotable. |
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| Dat art and animation quality tho. I'm really getting tired of Adlet's "I'm the strongest man in the world," |
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Tylaen said: black1blade said: It's more for the tension. That and what I Said In my first post. Didn't go In expecting a fluid action show. Those rarely happen unless you are ufotable. or bones. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Well, at least this gurlo makes an apperance. |
black1blade said: Tylaen said: That and what I Said In my first post. Didn't go In expecting a fluid action show. Those rarely happen unless you are ufotable. or bones. or Production I.G. |
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world." Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
L-Ryoshi said: IronLobster said: Like Adlet said in this episode, he did save her life. Remember that the two of them could've easily killed her, and if Adlet decides to join in, there wouldn't even be a struggle. They wouldn't need to lead her into a trap since killing her on spot would be faster. She can't run away either since as Adlet demonstrated in episode 3, he is indeed faster than her. In other words, she has no choice but to trust Adlet or be killed by the other two. Good points, but she gave into it all without even a fight or a discussion. She could have openly stated "I don't want to travel with any of you, I'm afraid for my own life. Let me leave and I'll make a pact to not bother any of you either. I just want to complete my own objective, which no longer involves killing Rokkas (which I am now one)." The others may disapprove after that, but logic would still be on her side. And as I mentioned in my other post. Not killing her (or anyone for that matter) THEN could be a matter of it being "not yet the right time" and not because "they couldn't do it previously". They could be waiting to kill off the Demon Lord first before taking her out, or to have her join their expedition, and have her "accidentally" dying on the way to complete the quest, hence preserving their own names whilst still killing her off (ala Ubel Blatt, I know I read way too much stuff). You're making a good point. But I don't think Nashetania, Adlet and Goldof would have agreed if Fremy said that. Adlet don't want to leave her alone as he said before. That part hasn't changed. And Nashetania/Goldof aren't going to agree with Fremy being left somewhere out of sight when she's a sniper type of fighter. Keeping her close to them under surveillance where she can't just snipe them from far away is a far better solution for those two. So yes, Fremy understood her position here. Adlet won't let go, but Nashetania and Goldof won't either for a different reason. Like Nashetania said, "I don't trust you". Also, I don't think that killing her afterwards would be a problem for Fremy. She said it already "I can't die until I defeat the demon god". Which could be taken the other way around. After the demon god is defeated, it's okay if I'm killed". That may be jumping the gun a bit, but she didn't seem to be that bothered with being attacked and killed as long as she can carry out her wish to defeat the demon god in the end. If she was carrying about her life, why would she run toward the peninsula where she has the highest possibility of encountering braves that will try to kill her? |
ZefyrisJul 27, 2015 2:26 AM
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Zefyris said: You're making a good point. But I don't think Nashetania, Adlet and Goldof would have agreed if Fremy said that. Adlet don't want to leave her alone as he said before. That part hasn't changed. And Nashetania/Goldof aren't going to agree with Fremy being left somewhere out of sight when she's a sniper type of fighter. Keeping her close to them under surveillance where she can't just snipe them from far away is a far better solution for those two. So yes, Fremy understood her position here. Adlet won't let go, but Nashetania and Goldof won't either for a different reason. Like Nashetania said, "I don't trust you". Also, I don't think that killing her afterwards would be a problem for Fremy. She said it already "I can't die until I defeat the demon god". Which could be taken the other way around. After the demon god is defeated, it's okay if I'm killed". That may be jumping the gun a bit, but she didn't seem to be that bothered with being attacked and killed as long as she can carry out her wish to defeat the demon god in the end. If she was carrying about her life, why would she run toward the peninsula where she has the highest possibility of encountering braves that will try to kill her? True. I was thinking from her perspective that she didn't want to die before meeting her objective (ie to kill the Demon Lord), and considering the fact that she was the braves-killer, being with the rest of the group is a danger to her own personal safety. That's why I expected her to run, regardless of whether Adlet would follow and catch her or not. Also, just because Nashetania and Goldov said they wanted her close, it doesn't in any way guarantee her safety, specifically when one or more of the other Rokkas feel an urge to kill her off during their travels anyway (like we saw in this episode), before she even reaches her objective. There is no guarantee that Adlet would be able to protect her from the other four (now its five of course), even if he wanted to. I find it hard to believe that she would trust their word so quickly, that's all I'm saying. That's the basis for my expectation that she should have protested more vehemently against joining their group or travelling with them. And like I said before, it doesn't matter if she was overruled in the end. What gets to me is that she didn't even bother protesting. Is she so trusting in the words and ability of a guy that she hasn't even known for a day, to guarantee the safety of her life? I just don't buy it. The way she fell into line just felt to me like she'd given up and thought "Screw this, if they kill me before I do anything, then so be it." |
L-RyoshiJul 27, 2015 3:54 AM
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| It's not trust, she's been caught. Instead of trying a suicidal escape she's resigned herself to be in the group. She could have escaped in the last episode, but to do so she would have had to kill Adlet and she didn't want to do it. She also announced out loud what exactly would happen when the others caught up with them. There's no reason to protest or try something desperate when she knew what she was getting into. It wouldn't fit their stoic character. All that this does is show the audience that she's really a good person, since she's risking her life because she couldn't bring herself to shoot Adlet. |
| yeah, she looks very resigned to me. She already tried to escape from Adlet before and Adlet caught up no problem even after taking the time to write that letter to nashetania. Right now, she would have to run away from Adlet without that advantageous time at the beginning, AND to escape from Goldof and Nashetania as well. Both of which probably wouldn't ask for anything better than an excuse to kill Fremy, too. She knows she cannot run and that trying to run may have lead to Goldf/Nashetania killing her. So she didn't run, that would have been stupid actually. But yeah, when Fremy saw CHamo appearing, she had that gasping breath clearly showing that she was fearing the possibility of encountering Chamo. |
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IronLobster said: black1blade said: or bones. or Production I.G. And we still have people, who complain about God Eater animation. |
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| Animation was really bad, besides that quite boring episode. 2/5 |
| Between the adult world and the world of kids, there, Holyland exists. |
Gersen said: It's not trust, she's been caught. Instead of trying a suicidal escape she's resigned herself to be in the group. She could have escaped in the last episode, but to do so she would have had to kill Adlet and she didn't want to do it. She also announced out loud what exactly would happen when the others caught up with them. There's no reason to protest or try something desperate when she knew what she was getting into. It wouldn't fit their stoic character. All that this does is show the audience that she's really a good person, since she's risking her life because she couldn't bring herself to shoot Adlet. Zefyris said: yeah, she looks very resigned to me. She already tried to escape from Adlet before and Adlet caught up no problem even after taking the time to write that letter to nashetania. Right now, she would have to run away from Adlet without that advantageous time at the beginning, AND to escape from Goldof and Nashetania as well. Both of which probably wouldn't ask for anything better than an excuse to kill Fremy, too. She knows she cannot run and that trying to run may have lead to Goldf/Nashetania killing her. So she didn't run, that would have been stupid actually. But yeah, when Fremy saw CHamo appearing, she had that gasping breath clearly showing that she was fearing the possibility of encountering Chamo. Good points all round. In the end it's because of her own refusal to kill Adlet that restricted her to being forced to join the group, most of which want to kill her, and put her own life on the line. If she has no ulterior motive (which I've yet to observe), then my initial observation of her being the most trustworthy of this group still stands. Still, she did kill several Rokka-candidates, so unless there was a very good and valid reason, I think calling her a "good person" is a bit of a stretch. |
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| Won't they be able to find out who the fake if they just continue their journey? since IIRC only the Braves can go and fight that Demon God? Its the reason they can't send an army to fight that thing. |
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KaiserNazrin said: Won't they be able to find out who the fake if they just continue their journey? since IIRC only the Braves can go and fight that Demon God? Its the reason they can't send an army to fight that thing. But they're trapped inside that barrier right now. So how do they continue their journey right now? |
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Zefyris said: KaiserNazrin said: Won't they be able to find out who the fake if they just continue their journey? since IIRC only the Braves can go and fight that Demon God? Its the reason they can't send an army to fight that thing. But they're trapped inside that barrier right now. So how do they continue their journey right now? I am saying this assuming they won't be able to solve it anytime soon and yet manage to get out of there. |
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KaiserNazrin said: Zefyris said: But they're trapped inside that barrier right now. So how do they continue their journey right now? I am saying this assuming they won't be able to solve it anytime soon and yet manage to get out of there. In that case yes, I agree. |
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black1blade said: Bones can't do a decent adaptation, so I guess I'll rather have some occasional weird framing and other animation hiccups than shit story and ruined source material.Tylaen said: That and what I Said In my first post. Didn't go In expecting a fluid action show. Those rarely happen unless you are ufotable. or bones. |
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Antanaru said: black1blade said: Bones can't do a decent adaptation, so I guess I'll rather have some occasional weird framing and other animation hiccups than shit story and ruined source material.or bones. Gosick's adaptation was fairly good until the last 2 volume. They screwed up on that part, but then again the last volume was not out either when they adapted it so they may have had only the summary from the author or something and invented the remaining part? The volume 1 to 7 were well done. They cut a lot of the 6th one probably for time problem but it wasn't felt in the anime version so they managed well. Quite above as a whole most LN adaptation we're getting nowadays. And just so that it's clear from start, I've read Gosick's novels from start to finish when i'm saying that. |
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IronLobster said: Agreed for IG and Bones, lold at UFO. Ufo's last two works had budget but holy shit did they look like an ass despite it. Rokka's choreography so far is miles above both. At least you can get what is going on and why instead of bunch flashy sfx-ridden scenes full of explosions, effects and no sense. black1blade said: or bones. or Production I.G. If only Pasionne had such budget for this adaptation. Even without it it is one of top three shows this season. |
AhenshihaelJul 27, 2015 10:03 AM
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CookingPriest said: IronLobster said: Agreed for IG and Bones, lold at UFO. Ufo's last two works had budget but holy shit did they look like an ass despite it.or Production I.G. Your hate Is the funniest thing on MAL to behold. |
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| For some reasons, the mirror thing wasn't in the LN. A quick advice: You guys should stop guessing who's the seventh, because you will find yourself being wronged again and again. You will have to change your guess numerous times because the author's been such a wonderful jerk when making everyone seem suspicious. About the barrier thing, try thinking outside the box. And lastly, stop the spoilers guys!! But oh well, most of them are only half correct anyway. I'm pained to see many people refusing to watch this anime because they think it's another cliche defeat the boss anime, even after I tried explaining it isn't so. |
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