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celeminus said: That scene makes sense only after HF.a lot of so called plot armor gets explained in the vn since the anime mostly fails to portray character motivations its the same reason peope thought the whole rider/shirou scene in the forest was dumb since they lack information People give ufo too much shit. |
Kaixe-Rho said: It's honestly kind of weird to come back, when even though I think there are very obvious problems with the adaption, they don't kill it for me. However... You know, something really just bothered me about this episode. I really didn't like it that much...at all. And that surprises me, because this is one of my favorite parts of the entire game. But that might be the reason why. Anyway, sure, at least the Lancer versus Archer confrontation was impressive and a good watch. But everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, about the events inside of the church was just so underwhelming. Shirou looked like absolute garbage, and I mean that - Kuzuki doing absolutely nothing as it seems like he waits for Shirou to get back up effectively killed dramatic tension, the entire Caster vs. Rin magecraft-off was just boring, and the absolute best part of this scene and my second favorite part of the entire route, Rin going Iron Fist, was short, disappointingly bland, and lacked impact overall. The deaths were another story altogether. Unceremonious, undramatic, I hardly cared. Everything on the tail end of the episode felt sp damn lazy. And that sucks. Maybe I'm alone on this. Maybe I just overhyped myself and the finished product was incapable of living up to my expectations. But I can't help but feel hollow after all of that - this is the episode was the one where everyone was supposed to be on the edge of their damn seat the entire time, screaming in shock at the betrayal, the "Trace On", etc; instead it was all just rather humdrum. I'm going through Rin's surprise melee attack in the VN again, and the way Ufotable did it is nearly identical. Caster's death in the VN was also pretty much the same. I did feel more emotion as I was rereading it though, and the difference is just that the VN has artistic narration that helps in building up the atmosphere and a notable soundtrack to accompany it. |
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KumaKing said: Curry-Priest said: UBWdeen>>>UBWufo The rush is the same. At least UBWdeen dont have fillers xD Yeah they just condense 20+ hours worth of content into a 1hr 40 minutes, 'cause that's even better right? Nice job deen lol Still better than adapting every single food eating scene, rushing or skipping or altering every important scene and then filling up the rest with tryhard edge fillers and buttshots. alherrera101 said: All lot of people keep complaining about it being rushed and it sucks but you have to remember that there is a lot of content from the visual novel and Ufotable only gets a timeslot of like 25 minutes so they can't put all it in there They sure as hell have time to add eating scenes and pointless filler like whole episode on caster's master or the Kuizuki backstory at the start of the episode. But they sure dont have time to the things like main character's characterization, power explanation, lore, you know, the "unimportant" stuff. |
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alherrera101 said: All lot of people keep complaining about it being rushed and it sucks but you have to remember that there is a lot of content from the visual novel and Ufotable only gets a timeslot of like 25 minutes so they can't put all it in there Yes, buuut there are 8 episodes left and with this pacing not nearly enough content to fill them. |
KumaKing said: Do people seriously believe that Deen UBW is better than Ufotable UBW? What a joke But don't you know? Some wanna-be-trailer crap done on paint is better than Ufotable's adaptation. No matter how the movie doesn't even make sense one bit to non-VN readers especially. |
CookingPriest said: KumaKing said: Yeah they just condense 20+ hours worth of content into a 1hr 40 minutes, 'cause that's even better right? Nice job deen lol Still better than adapting every single food eating scene, rushing or skipping or altering every important scene and then filling up the rest with tryhard edge fillers and buttshots. Well as they say, the grass is always greener on the other side... |
Drake1000 said: >Excusing flawed writing with alternate timelines How convenient, Nasu would be proud of you. Who gave you the right to speak, worm? I've made what I said easy for a even retard to understand. If you don't, then you're not even that, you filthy maggot. Am I doing it right, AUO? |
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CookingPriest said: alherrera101 said: All lot of people keep complaining about it being rushed and it sucks but you have to remember that there is a lot of content from the visual novel and Ufotable only gets a timeslot of like 25 minutes so they can't put all it in there They sure as hell have time to add eating scenes and pointless filler like whole episode on caster's master or the Kuizuki backstory at the start of the episode. But they sure dont have time to the things like main character's characterization, power explanation, lore, you know, the "unimportant" stuff. I have to agree with this. Not saying I didn't enjoy the episodes, but if you have 14 minutes to spent on a pointless flashback for a meaningless side character like Caster, you have enough time to add in the few bits missing here and there in the adaptation. |
ponygon123 said: Medea is by far my favorite servant along with Souichirou Kuzuki. I just really like their relationship and Medea fighting looked the best. I knew they wouldn't win obviously but I would have preferred if they had won. Really interested with how Archer is. I mean he was part of the Trojan war but he has this weird fixation with Emiya. And the "Trace on" is telling but I suppose I won't share my idea so I don't accidently spoil. If you want to see more of Caster x Kuzuki, you'll have to read Fate/Hollow Ataraxia (a fandisk sequel to Fate/Stay Night). |
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SH4kun said: CookingPriest said: They sure as hell have time to add eating scenes and pointless filler like whole episode on caster's master or the Kuizuki backstory at the start of the episode. But they sure dont have time to the things like main character's characterization, power explanation, lore, you know, the "unimportant" stuff. I have to agree with this. Not saying I didn't enjoy the episodes, but if you have 14 minutes to spent on a pointless flashback for a meaningless side character like Caster, you have enough time to add in the few bits missing here and there in the adaptation. wait wat |
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Kerytugu said: Mathias2001 said: Well... I know that. Still think it's pretty stupid. What if he was just bluffing to save his life or something (he pretty much was)? He was defeated with no other choice but talking shit, and no sane person would take his word for granted. Lancer already had a hunch that Archer was just buying time long enough for Caster to be preoccupied and not be able to watch him. This is due to the fact that Archer wasn't using all of his arsenal. From Lancer's perspective, an archer who used a shield and twin blades must have more tricks up his sleeve. Therefore, from Lancer's perspective, Archer was not going all out. So this reinforces why Lancer would believe Archer fighting him was just a stepping stone to betray Caster later. EDIT: Also if you've read the VN, you know what Lancer's role is as prescribed by his master. If you know what the role is, then you should know that Lancer should be able to deduce what other people are up to or who they are. |
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fst said: wait wat She's pretty much a stepping stone. The real main villain is Gil. |
mira-nyan said: Drake1000 said: >Excusing flawed writing with alternate timelines How convenient, Nasu would be proud of you. Who gave you the right to speak, worm? I've made what I said easy for a even retard to understand. If you don't, then you're not even that, you filthy maggot. Am I doing it right, AUO? to be fair, nasu has don considerably well with his universe and characters. more so then a lot of other writers. |
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Shrimperor said: To be fair, Caster and Kuzuki's deaths weren't exactly impactful in the VN either.Was an ok ep. Altough: -Lancer vs. Archer was too rushed. -The Deaths, again, felt impactless (like with Illya). It seems this anime has problems of making deaths impactfull. |
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SH4kun said: fst said: wait wat She's pretty much a stepping stone. The real main villain is Gil. That doesn't make her meaningless >.> |
alherrera101 said: All lot of people keep complaining about it being rushed and it sucks but you have to remember that there is a lot of content from the visual novel and Ufotable only gets a timeslot of like 25 minutes so they can't put all it in there They could stop wasting time with uninteresting flashbacks and overly long shittalks before the fights though. Priorities... Or, you know... Maybe drop one of the longass breakfest-eating scenes (and nope, they're not more important for Shirou's developement than his actual ORIGIN STORY!) I still liked the episode, but it felt like the direction was all over the place, and focused on side-stuff instead of the important stuff! Lancer vs Archer saved it for me - but it was still rushed as hell... |
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ponygon123 said: SH4kun said: I have to agree with this. Not saying I didn't enjoy the episodes, but if you have 14 minutes to spent on a pointless flashback for a meaningless side character like Caster, you have enough time to add in the few bits missing here and there in the adaptation. I think saying Caster is meaningless is really dumb. She has done a lot and has been the main driving force of the plot since like episode 8 of the last season. I may have went a bit too far, but the real threat of the route is Goldie. If he truly wanted to, he could destroy Caster faster than he did with Berserker. |
ponygon123 said: SH4kun said: I have to agree with this. Not saying I didn't enjoy the episodes, but if you have 14 minutes to spent on a pointless flashback for a meaningless side character like Caster, you have enough time to add in the few bits missing here and there in the adaptation. I think saying Caster is meaningless is really dumb. She has done a lot and has been the main driving force of the plot since like episode 8 of the last season. people seam to think that if u die in the final episode u r the main antag. :P this is particularly why multiverses is a PLUS for this series. |
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Kaixe-Rho said: So what are the next 7 (lengthwisse 8) episodes going to have in them? They're been kinda going full speed through this. Honestly? Worried. All servant flashbacks.... |
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SH4kun said: ponygon123 said: I think saying Caster is meaningless is really dumb. She has done a lot and has been the main driving force of the plot since like episode 8 of the last season. I may have went a bit too far, but the real threat of the route is Goldie. If he truly wanted to, he could destroy Caster faster than he did with Berserker. No it isn't. It's Archer. Haven't you noticed? |
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Grey-Zone said: You shouldn't assume. See how that turned out with the first BD Box? Difference is ufotable has confirmed those 5 and 7 minutes. They haven't said anything about cut content for this episode. Also, it's Shirou...I am going to assume that we will see more of that fight in the BD version, considering most other episodes had like 5 or 7 min of cut content... Kaixe-Rho said: I'm excited. New material.So what are the next 7 (lengthwisse 8) episodes going to have in them? They're been kinda going full speed through this. Honestly? Worried. |
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mira-nyan said: SH4kun said: I may have went a bit too far, but the real threat of the route is Goldie. If he truly wanted to, he could destroy Caster faster than he did with Berserker. No it isn't. It's Archer. Haven't you noticed? |
chat77 said: Kaixe-Rho said: So what are the next 7 (lengthwisse 8) episodes going to have in them? They're been kinda going full speed through this. Honestly? Worried. All servant flashbacks.... tbh, i would not mind that :3 i mean come on, aside from archer, some of them has some really interesting stories to tell :3 |
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chat77 said: Kaixe-Rho said: So what are the next 7 (lengthwisse 8) episodes going to have in them? They're been kinda going full speed through this. Honestly? Worried. All servant flashbacks.... ...which I'm not entirely against. That said, if they ruin pacing by putting them in the middle of a fight, I'm going to be kind of upset...again. Wonder if we'll get any hints or snippets of Bazoople McFraggaREKT |
Kaixe-Rho said: So what are the next 7 (lengthwisse 8) episodes going to have in them? They're been kinda going full speed through this. Honestly? Worried. Episode 18: Saber Flashbacks/UBW stuff Episode 19: EMIYA flashback (Part 1) Episode 20: EMIYA Flashback (Part 2) Episode 21: VS/*********** Episode 22: Answer Episode 23: Dolphins Episode 24: Final Day |
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mira-nyan said: black1blade said: If I was watching this without having read the VN, I still would have said it was far above your standard shounen stuff like seraph of the end. Gr8 b8 m8. I r8 8/8 8D Seraph is standard shounen though... |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
mira-nyan said: Lol Technically still spoiler because some retards haven't worked it out yet |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: mira-nyan said: Gr8 b8 m8. I r8 8/8 8D Seraph is standard shounen though... *cough*SnK*cough* it really is standard in every way, even the development is extremely cheesy and not very well don. |
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Kaixe-Rho said: So what are the next 7 (lengthwisse 8) episodes going to have in them? They're been kinda going full speed through this. Honestly? Worried. Rin and Shirou doing mana transfer. /brick'd |
SH4kun said: mira-nyan said: No it isn't. It's Archer. Haven't you noticed? Lol, by 'thread' I thought you meant super-important-boss-important-to-plot xD Yh, Gil is OP-est. |
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black1blade said: mira-nyan said: Lol Technically still spoiler because some retards haven't worked it out yet OMG is archer, is he |
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Fabuzer said: In these few episodes, . I must see the pain! Shirou has zero problems in tracing, when he is supposed to have a headache or something. He was tired, he told that he had only projections 2 left and we saw him fall to the floor . |
Kerytugu said: alherrera101 said: All lot of people keep complaining about it being rushed and it sucks but you have to remember that there is a lot of content from the visual novel and Ufotable only gets a timeslot of like 25 minutes so they can't put all it in there They could stop wasting time with uninteresting flashbacks and overly long shittalks before the fights though. Priorities... Or, you know... Maybe drop one of the longass breakfest-eating scenes (and nope, they're not more important for Shirou's developement than his actual ORIGIN STORY!) I still liked the episode, but it felt like the direction was all over the place, and focused on side-stuff instead of the important stuff! Lancer vs Archer saved it for me - but it was still rushed as hell... They had to end cour 1 at that point though. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
WAD1992 said: black1blade said: Technically still spoiler because some retards haven't worked it out yet OMG is archer, is he The red man is the red man! |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
I'm just showing some re-used frames/similarities. You don't have to spoilah every one :I WAD1992 said: black1blade said: Seraph is standard shounen though... *cough*SnK*cough* it really is standard in every way, even the development is extremely cheesy and not very well don. It has bishies. It's by default a 10/10 anime, no matter how bad it is. Plus Shinoa-best-grill makes every thing worth it. |
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mira-nyan said: Episode 18: Saber Flashbacks/UBW stuff Episode 19: EMIYA flashback (Part 1) Episode 20: EMIYA Flashback (Part 2) Episode 21: VS/*********** Episode 22: Answer Episode 23: Dolphins Episode 24: Final Day Seems reasonable enough. Funny, this is exactly the stuff I tried to predict way back when, but even if it had worked out, ewe'd have been so off. The pacing for this series is a rollercoaster into uncharted territory. |
SH4kun said: ponygon123 said: I think saying Caster is meaningless is really dumb. She has done a lot and has been the main driving force of the plot since like episode 8 of the last season. I may have went a bit too far, but the real threat of the route is Goldie. If he truly wanted to, he could destroy Caster faster than he did with Berserker. The main antagonist is Caster(and sort of Archer). She was the main driving point and the main thread. Just because anime REALLY messed up with her characterization does not change that fact. |
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