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Toshio Okada (former Studio Gainax president) on Reconguista: ""I can't figure out what's going on""

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Oct 23, 2014 1:38 AM
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-10-22/toshio-okada-rips-apart-gundam-reconguista/.80151

How is Gundam Reconguista? Gundam Reconguista is really bad! I was thinking, "What are they doing?" (laughs) Compared to this Parasyte, which was fairly interesting... Tomino... How should I put this? He doesn't engage with anime fans. It's fine to make it for today's kids, but who does he think kids today are? Who does he think the kids that watch Yo-kai Watch are? (laughs) I don't know what's what. I watch a fair amount of anime, and I can't figure out what's going on. Ordinary people watch this and don't know what's happening, but Tomino thinks it has to be like this. Tomino hasn't changed at all. (groans) Tomino... Ugh! Dialogue won't work, lecturing won't work... [...] Nope, I'm not watching Gundam Reconguista.
Oct 23, 2014 1:42 AM
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Man, a show that hasn't completely made it's plot clear after four whole episodes. Terrible.
Oct 23, 2014 1:46 AM
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I agree witb him because me neither has barely understand what is the show all about. I'm not a fan of Gundam series but who in the earth will turn 180 after kidnapped by the enemy?

But still, I watched this because of Gardinelia and Sunrise. My fault
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Oct 23, 2014 2:49 AM
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Captital Army.. got that.. the Pirates.. somewhat.. ahh, trying to be patient with this show, am a Gundam fan but still..my brain hurts.
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Oct 23, 2014 2:52 AM
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i somewhat agree, still im watching this to see if it will improve
Oct 23, 2014 9:57 AM
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Unfortunately his right. Well is not that we don't know what is going on is just that what is going on is completely out there. If this was suppose to be an over the top crazy comedy parody like Space Dandy then i guess fine(expecting the characters to utterly lack common sense is part of it) but this show is not Space Dandy is just.....well i don't what the fuck it is. MS.Gundam ZZ i guess.
Oct 23, 2014 10:11 AM
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It just boils down to two things, tomino's dislike for modern anime (and to some extent the audience) and the gigantic disconnect he deliberately created with the style of his show. If this were 1985 or something this show would have been much better received so far.

As for the plot.. well it's really a wait and see, although this dude doing a jitsu out of nowhere seemed EXTREMELY weird and out of place but it's a wait and see at this point.
Oct 23, 2014 10:14 AM
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this guy has shit taste lol
he probably thinks turn a shit too
this is too slow paced for most of people
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Oct 23, 2014 11:20 AM
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skudoops said:
It just boils down to two things, tomino's dislike for modern anime (and to some extent the audience) and the gigantic disconnect he deliberately created with the style of his show. If this were 1985 or something this show would have been much better received so far.

As for the plot.. well it's really a wait and see, although this dude doing a jitsu out of nowhere seemed EXTREMELY weird and out of place but it's a wait and see at this point.


Well the thing is modern audiences that got into anime with shows like Madoka or Monogatari or Haruhi or whatever will likely have absolutely no frame of reference for this style of show so on one level it's frustrating seeing people have just have absolutely no clue beaking off about the show before retreating to whatever currently bleeding edge LN/VN series is being adapted I kind of have to figure like what did anybody really expect putting a guy that is notably anti-otaku in charge of an anime in 2014. You pretty much have to have at least some background in the 80's era of anime to even have a remote hope of being into a show like this cause the sensibilities of it's creators are largely born out of his generations experiences and values and when it came to prominence, not the modern otaku oriented creative sensibilities that are largely about trying to emulate the Hollywood and Video Game Industry model of big budget and kind of interesting yet kind of soulless and thoughtless entertainment with little going into creative processes outside of commercial consideration.

Personally I haven't enjoyed a show the way I enjoy this one in a while. It kind of brings me back in a way few shows have to the sorts of things that got me into anime in the first place.
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Eh my problem with Reconquista is that it just tries to keep on being light-hearted which can sometimes bug me and seems like to bug most people because of how it's not overly-serious like his previous Gundam works.
Oct 23, 2014 12:31 PM

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I kinda agree with the guy I don't really understand what is going on either. Wasn't Bellri training to become a member Capital Army or something? Now he done a 360 and is now deciding to help the pirates the Capital Army's enemy? What?

I'm only watching for my love of Gundam and giant robot battles. Also for Klim and Aida
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Oct 23, 2014 12:32 PM

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Roloko said:
I kinda agree with the guy I don't really understand what is going on either. Wasn't Bellri training to become a member Capital Army or something? Now he done a 360 and is now deciding to help the pirates the Capital Army's enemy? What?

I'm only watching for my love of Gundam and giant robot battles. Also for Klim and Aida


360?
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Kaioshin_Sama said:
You pretty much have to have at least some background in the 80's era of anime to even have a remote hope of being into a show like this


Well that's the main problem here, despite everything if tomino's goal was not to aim for the older audience he needed to compromise. The idea is to get a new generation of fans, but the only way to do that is to make it appealing to that generation while still retaining his original style. I don't know how well it's doing in japan right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if it bombed because the target demographic simply isn't interested in it, same thing happened to age after all.
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ninjastarforcex said:
Roloko said:
I kinda agree with the guy I don't really understand what is going on either. Wasn't Bellri training to become a member Capital Army or something? Now he done a 360 and is now deciding to help the pirates the Capital Army's enemy? What?

I'm only watching for my love of Gundam and giant robot battles. Also for Klim and Aida


360?


I honestly don't know bruh ~
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Oct 23, 2014 1:22 PM

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Oh, boy. I can't figure out if this person even said anything. HA HA HA?

If Tomino hasn't changed and yet he is the Tomino we all know, I don't see a problem.
If Tomino is addressing the audience in the same way as he previously did, then why should the expectations for the modern audience be any different? Either implying it consists of suspected imbeciles, which apparently they aren't, or Okada has never seen a Tomino Gundam to begin with. Younger audience might dislike G-Reco, because they rarely have watched UCs, but for a person who

"earned the nickname "Otaking" for his deep roots in the Japanese science-fiction and anime fan circles and for even lecturing on "otaku culture" at the University of Tokyo"

"I can't figure it out" is dumb. Stupid. ->BAKA<- :D

Less otakuing, more watching, and no YouTubing, I'd say.
Oct 23, 2014 2:59 PM

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I agree with this fellow. Recognista was one of the biggest disappointments of 2014. The only reason it's not THE biggest is because it was in the same year as Pupa.
Oct 23, 2014 3:12 PM

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I blame the Sith Lord. He's playing with everyone's mind again.
Oct 23, 2014 3:14 PM

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This animu is sitting at 18k on stalker.

I love when MAL bullshit means absolutely nothing.
Oct 23, 2014 3:51 PM

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Man, a show that hasn't completely made it's plot clear after four whole episodes. Terrible.


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It's very sad that someone who calls himself the Otaking tries to do this with a great director as Tomino.

He should worry maybe in trying to create something else instead of trying to be an attention (fat) whore.

So, dear Okada, are you maybe jealous that Tomino can still produce good stuff? He started to work on anime even 10 years before you, our beloved self-proclaimed Otaking, even could know what anime was lol.

I am not amazed that people don't like G no Reconguista, it's really different to your dead-brain moeblob. The narrative is also quite peculiar.
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Oct 23, 2014 4:07 PM

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Kenchiin said:
It's very sad that someone who calls himself the Otaking tries to do this with a great director as Tomino.

He should worry maybe in trying to create something else instead of trying to be an attention (fat) whore.

So, dear Okada, are you maybe jealous that Tomino can still produce good stuff? He started to work on anime even 10 years before you, our beloved self-proclaimed Otaking, even could know what anime was lol.

I am not amazed that people don't like G no Reconguista, it's really different to your dead-brain moeblob. The narrative is also quite peculiar.
Even if the fatking was right, he's still fucking no one. Go back to write your books about how to stop being fat.


cause this season has lots of moeblobs right?
Oct 23, 2014 4:30 PM

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SolviteSekai said:


cause this season has lots of moeblobs right?


When did I say "This season"? If you find it please let me know, I will be glad to further discuss this matter with you after you do. Thank you in advance for your time!

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Oct 23, 2014 7:14 PM

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Yeah Otaking hasn't really contributed to much in the anime industry from I heard.
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Kenchiin said:
SolviteSekai said:


cause this season has lots of moeblobs right?


When did I say "This season"? If you find it please let me know, I will be glad to further discuss this matter with you after you do. Thank you in advance for your time!

Kind regards,


Ken.


I am sorry that was funny as hell XD
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Kenchiin said:
SolviteSekai said:


cause this season has lots of moeblobs right?


When did I say "This season"? If you find it please let me know, I will be glad to further discuss this matter with you after you do. Thank you in advance for your time!

Kind regards,

Ken.


So you've got nothing then?

Stop crying about moe anime and watch more toonami.
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Blind_Guardian said:
I agree with this fellow. Recognista was one of the biggest disappointments of 2014. The only reason it's not THE biggest is because it was in the same year as Pupa.
why would you EVER put faith in pupa being good

on topic, the guy just seems to be voicing his opinion rather than trying to make any point, nothing to really analyze, i kind of agree with his complaint as it does somewhat match my issue with its random techno mumbo jumbo its just tossing around halfassly which makes the series a tad bit hard to follow as it plays a part in the character's motivations and actions. still this is on the same level of a post here on mal so it shouldnt be treated as much more than just that especially for those putting it on a pedestal or trying to debunk the guy's credibility over it
JizzyHitlerOct 23, 2014 8:23 PM

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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what is this okada dude achievements anyway?
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Oct 24, 2014 3:29 AM

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skudoops said:
It just boils down to two things, tomino's dislike for modern anime (and to some extent the audience) and the gigantic disconnect he deliberately created with the style of his show. If this were 1985 or something this show would have been much better received so far.

As for the plot.. well it's really a wait and see, although this dude doing a jitsu out of nowhere seemed EXTREMELY weird and out of place but it's a wait and see at this point.


Why have people said this? Other than Kamille's flimsy reasoning for stealing a Gundam, Zeta made much more sense than Reco has. Though mind you I'm basing this off the first 3 episodes and haven't caught up yet.
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ninjastarforcex said:
what is this okada dude achievements anyway?

It's Otaking, he wrote Gunbuster.
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bastek66 said:
ninjastarforcex said:
what is this okada dude achievements anyway?

It's Otaking, he wrote Gunbuster.
only that?
and i dont even like that shit, lol
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ninjastarforcex said:
bastek66 said:

It's Otaking, he wrote Gunbuster.
only that?
and i dont even like that shit, lol
implying you need to make something of importance to be able to criticize anything

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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JizzyHitler said:
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only that?
and i dont even like that shit, lol
implying you need to make something of importance to be able to criticize anything


This. Everyone can express their opinion,whether you like it/agree with it or not.

Personally,I kind of like how different feeling this anime has compared to the most.
But the dialogues and plot make me cringe sometimes.
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DejWoSWK said:
JizzyHitler said:
implying you need to make something of importance to be able to criticize anything


This. Everyone can express their opinion,whether you like it/agree with it or not.

Personally,I kind of like how different feeling this anime has compared to the most.
But the dialogues and plot make me cringe sometimes.
you dont need to be a master chef to say something tastes like shit, you dont need to be an established writer to say something is bad, they are just as valid as saying you like something and in this case theres absolutely nothing wrong with whatever side you end up on, this show may appeal to some and not to others both are equally justified, the people who arent are the guys trying to spout credibility upon the nay sayers simply because they are being negative as well as the select few who are being dicks to those that like it.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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JizzyHitler said:
DejWoSWK said:


This. Everyone can express their opinion,whether you like it/agree with it or not.

Personally,I kind of like how different feeling this anime has compared to the most.
But the dialogues and plot make me cringe sometimes.
you dont need to be a master chef to say something tastes like shit, you dont need to be an established writer to say something is bad, they are just as valid as saying you like something and in this case theres absolutely nothing wrong with whatever side you end up on, this show may appeal to some and not to others both are equally justified, the people who arent are the guys trying to spout credibility upon the nay sayers simply because they are being negative as well as the select few who are being dicks to those that like it.


MAL in nutshell?
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DejWoSWK said:
JizzyHitler said:
you dont need to be a master chef to say something tastes like shit, you dont need to be an established writer to say something is bad, they are just as valid as saying you like something and in this case theres absolutely nothing wrong with whatever side you end up on, this show may appeal to some and not to others both are equally justified, the people who arent are the guys trying to spout credibility upon the nay sayers simply because they are being negative as well as the select few who are being dicks to those that like it.


MAL in nutshell?
people in a nut shell, negativity of something one likes is more oftne than naught interpreted as an attack on their opinion and beliefs so they fight back even if there isnt a hint of provocation in it, they'll try to fight back by trying make the "oppossing side" look foolish by attempting to devalue their credibility and so forth, mal is honestly one of the more civilized forums out there in regards to avoiding this, not as a compliment to mal but more of a giant insult to the immature and aggressive cancer that plagues internet discussions as a whole

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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JizzyHitler said:
DejWoSWK said:


MAL in nutshell?
people in a nut shell, negativity of something one likes is more oftne than naught interpreted as an attack on their opinion and beliefs so they fight back even if there isnt a hint of provocation in it, they'll try to fight back by trying make the "oppossing side" look foolish by attempting to devalue their credibility and so forth, mal is honestly one of the more civilized forums out there in regards to avoiding this, not as a compliment to mal but more of a giant insult to the immature and aggressive cancer that plagues internet discussions as a whole


Heh,well,I just wanted to poke people here a little bit. But you got it pretty much right,though I find some MAL discussions pretty bad. However it's true that I do not have that much experience with different forums and judging it by the way you phrased it,I am kind of happy that I do not.
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DejWoSWK said:
JizzyHitler said:
people in a nut shell, negativity of something one likes is more oftne than naught interpreted as an attack on their opinion and beliefs so they fight back even if there isnt a hint of provocation in it, they'll try to fight back by trying make the "oppossing side" look foolish by attempting to devalue their credibility and so forth, mal is honestly one of the more civilized forums out there in regards to avoiding this, not as a compliment to mal but more of a giant insult to the immature and aggressive cancer that plagues internet discussions as a whole


Heh,well,I just wanted to poke people here a little bit. But you got it pretty much right,though I find some MAL discussions pretty bad. However it's true that I do not have that much experience with different forums and judging it by the way you phrased it,I am kind of happy that I do not.
just make sure to avoid imdb's forums at all cost, mal disscussions are bad, but imdb are like watching a slaughter of intelligence and understanding

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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ninjastarforcex said:
bastek66 said:

It's Otaking, he wrote Gunbuster.
only that?
and i dont even like that shit, lol


Regardless.

It would have been better if he had offered criticism, which makes sense.
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I kinda agree with the guy I don't really understand what is going on either. Wasn't Bellri training to become a member Capital Army or something? Now he done a 360 and is now deciding to help the pirates the Capital Army's enemy? What?

I'm only watching for my love of Gundam and giant robot battles. Also for Klim and Aida

No. He's part of the Space Cadets who protect the space elevator. The Capital Army was something he knew nothing about. Also he hasn't made a 360. Bellri offered to protect the ship but he's still trying to escape. That and he fell in love with Aida "at first sight".
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There are a lot of things people don't understand (99% of science lol) but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Granted, this show isn't really clear on everything, but first, it's really not all that obscure, and second, if the only thing that differentiates one series from another is content, I think this industry as a whole would be pretty boring. Reconguista has only adopted a different, somewhat retro style presentation, and I think that's fine by a lot of people.
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I want to say thet G-Reco is more Tomino than it is retro, but I don't have enough perspective on 80s anime to actually say that.
Oct 24, 2014 6:03 PM

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You're not suppose to take Reconguista seriously

the fact that they let the prisoner roam free and let them ride on dangerous giant mechas is a big sign.
Oct 25, 2014 8:04 AM

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i dont care what people say about this anime, i think this anime is sooo exciting, i love the art, and i love the directing, and the comedy part is fun too!!

I dont give a fuck! Im giving this a 9 and im proud of it!

AND IM NOT BEING SARCASTIC HERE!
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i dont care what people say about this anime, i think this anime is sooo exciting, i love the art, and i love the directing, and the comedy part is fun too!!

I dont give a fuck! Im giving this a 9 and im proud of it!

AND IM NOT BEING SARCASTIC HERE!


THIS
I'm actually agree with you dude. Everytime I rewatch all the current episodes. I always find something new clue about the plot. Seems like all random dialogues is not random at all..

It may not be the best gundam series for now, but I find G-Reco more interesting than all of anime in this fall season. Definietly refreshing!
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Yeah, I have mixed feelings about some of Tomino's older works and I wasn't quite sure about G-reco, but it's shaping to be one unique and more importantly FUN show. Knowing Tomino, he'll probably throw in tons of useless characters and deaths, but if he doesn't go way overboard, this could be pretty great.
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I want to say thet G-Reco is more Tomino than it is retro, but I don't have enough perspective on 80s anime to actually say that.
its more tomino's style from what iv seen, admittedly i havent seen many older shows but everything so far i have watched has distinct and different directing and style from what iv seen of tomino's stuff, maybe if i watch more non tomino mecha/action shows which i plan to do(have my eyes set on orgus votoms and layzner for the near future) but generally i think tomino has a distinct style and way of doing things and im not trying to say that as a negative thing. I think you can see a definite progression in his works the lead into the style G reco has.

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You're not suppose to take Reconguista seriously
now thats a BS excuse, if were not suppossed to take anything seriously then what the hell was the end scene of episode 2 or the captial guard intruge and conspiracy, its a light hearted show but that doesnt mean "you dont take it seriously". Light hearted does not equate to comedy, this excuse is more damaging to G reco too as the more serious bits so far have been a part of the highlights of the series so far

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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I am sorry that was funny as hell XD


Thanks. I'll write a book soon called "how to make sure stupid otakus learn their place".

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Oct 30, 2014 10:58 PM
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Well, given the only other series I watched from Tomino was Turn A Gundam, I can say this is definitely a Tomino work due to hist style of story, character and pacing.

My biggest gripe with his style is that sometimes the character behave really really randomly and out of the blue, prompting a lot of "wut?" and facepalm.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
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Valaskjalf said:
You're not suppose to take Reconguista seriously

the fact that they let the prisoner roam free and let them ride on dangerous giant mechas is a big sign.


That's not it at all. What you're not supposed to do is approach the show with absolutely zero patience and demanding an anime original be this or that. You're supposed to just watch the damn show and let it do it's thing and decide whether you like that thing or not. Of course people can't do that sort of thing when it comes to anime anymore so it's no small wonder the shows having a rough reception in a lot of western speaking communities with younger fans who want their hype and want it now like MAL.

This guys also clearly an opportunist who sits back taking pot shots at people he has beefs with from the past from the safety of his youtube channel. I say if you're going to criticize do some actual work and demonstrate why you feel you're in an extra special position to criticize and why you're opinion is supposed to carry more weight. This Okada hasn't done anything in the industry since the 80's. His industry career failed while the likes of his contemporaries such as Tomino and Anno went on to greater things and more storied careers with both still taking a very active role in the industry well into their golden years as he retreated into the aether to style himself an otaku scholar and eventually find a voice again once Youtube came around. If he was actually an important figure that carried weight and influence within the industry he'd be on the inside contributing something of note as opposed to being some fat down on his luck laughing manchild raging and speaking in hyperbole on his youtube channel like any other idiot with an opinion you can find on the site.

He's apparently since apologized for being a total asshat and gone into more detail about why he criticized G-Reco with the expected backpedaling once people basically called him out on being a jealous loser so it looks even more like he lacks conviction and is just looking for popularity and a friend. Something tells me there are very good reasons as to why his career in the industry failed and why he can't seem to find a gig outside of his own youtube channel anymore lol.
PeacingOutOct 31, 2014 11:17 AM

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