mattao313 said: If I can get something free I ain't gonna pay for straight up it doesn't matter if its anime, music or video games I don't give a fuck. My life motto right there. |
mayukachan said: mattao313 said: If I can get something free I ain't gonna pay for straight up it doesn't matter if its anime, music or video games I don't give a fuck. My life motto right there. Thoroughly agree. |
| lets be honest, if every anime we watched was realeased, WITH SUBS on DVD/BD, we'd all be broke. or just factoring the series we loved the most, less broke, but still broke |
| Just an anime fan, doing what an anime fan does |
| As long as you are not making a profit of their work, I don't see why not. |
mayukachan said: mattao313 said: If I can get something free I ain't gonna pay for straight up it doesn't matter if its anime, music or video games I don't give a fuck. My life motto right there. |
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baki502 said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: You see how it all boils down to Inconvenience? ^^ I dont understand how companies still havent realized how much of an factor inconvenience is. The more effort I have to put into buying something the less likely I will do so. Hell I was buying like 2-3 games per year prior to digital distribution ala Steam and Co, now I buy like 50 of them. Just cause they are so easy to buy and so goddamn cheap. This is so true. I'm not a gamer myself but I notice that even the people who pirate EVERYTHING are not reluctant to spend tons of money on Steam, for games they often only try out once or sometimes even never. Just because it's so easy to buy them and they're fairly cheap. Though I think part of it is that pirating video games is a bit more troublesome than with anime, since you tend to need cracked versions etc... I've often encountered problems with pirated games (they don't work, they crash the PC, they only work up to a certain point, you can't play them online etc...) while pirating anime has no downsides whatsoever. So while I do think that people value convenience even over money to some degree, I'm not sure if some kind of steam for anime would be that much more convenient than the status quo so the effects would probably be less significant than with games. Then again we already have Crunchyroll and its 400k subscribers and compared to steam it's still a pretty young service so maybe it will improve over the next years. Worldwide availability and more older shows in the library would definitely help a lot. |
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Blind_Guardian said: I don't really understand people who are anti-piracy. Information and entertainment should be free. In the case of a TV series or whatever, its someone's intellectual property, you're not entitled to view it. If entertainment was free then the entire industry would collapse because it takes time and money to create entertainment. |
| The annoying thing is how many independent translators have to make anime/manga available to us. Im sure there is a big enough market if it was more available. |
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rothrock said: mayukachan said: My life motto right there. You should think of the implications of such statements. A rapist could use the same logic to justify that he didn't go to a hooker but instead 'got it for free'. Lots of things are available 'for free' if you 'don't give a fuck'. This is not a very agreeable motto if I may say so |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I have shit for money, I torrent a lot of things. |
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Strikefreedom117 said: lets be honest, if every anime we watched was realeased, WITH SUBS on DVD/BD, we'd all be broke. or just factoring the series we loved the most, less broke, but still broke I don't have a job, but I still manage to buy most of my Anime on DVD. |
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| id probably feel bad if i didnt feel like the people making these were getting paid, but theyre probably doing ok so im good. but honestly if the risk for getting caught was as low on food and clothes as it is for torrenting i literally would stop buying things completely. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: Then again we already have Crunchyroll and its 400k subscribers and compared to steam it's still a pretty young service so maybe it will improve over the next years. Worldwide availability and more older shows in the library would definitely help a lot If that were the case I would take in consideration of creating an account on crunchyroll, but sadly it wasn't. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: Yeah... rothrock said: You should think of the implications of such statements. A rapist could use the same logic to justify that he didn't go to a hooker but instead 'got it for free'. Lots of things are available 'for free' if you 'don't give a fuck'. This is not a very agreeable motto if I may say so Purchasing music = chance the artist you're supporting makes more music. Purchasing games = bigger and better games Purchasing anime = better anime |
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| Don't give a fuck about people who watch it that way, but I watch anime illegally too, so I basically don't give a fuck about any one... |
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Maerow said: Probably a troll...VitaminCaim said: Purchasing music = chance the artist you're supporting makes more music. Purchasing games = bigger and better games Purchasing anime = better anime There are actually people who think that way ? Really ? |
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Maerow said: better anime ? LOLVitaminCaim said: Purchasing music = chance the artist you're supporting makes more music. Purchasing games = bigger and better games Purchasing anime = better anime There are actually people who think that way ? Really ? |
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Maerow said: VitaminCaim said: Purchasing music = chance the artist you're supporting makes more music. Purchasing games = bigger and better games Purchasing anime = better anime There are actually people who think that way ? Really ? To be fair, he's partially right. If a lot of people purchase it, more of it gets made by the company/artist/group. I doubt me contributing a few dollars to my favourite show would do anything beneficial. |
mayukachan said: Maerow said: There are actually people who think that way ? Really ? To be fair, he's partially right. If a lot of people purchase it, more of it gets made by the company/artist/group. I doubt me contributing a few dollars to my favourite show would do anything beneficial. The best way is to find out the back account of your favorite director and directly transfer your money there :>. I donate 100$ a month to Yuasa and he made Ping Pong. But seriously, speaking of Yuasa, Kickstarter could be another way to efficiently finance anime. I wish more directors would do something like Yuasa did with Kick-Heart. Neat, independent, crowd-funded anime. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: But seriously, speaking of Yuasa, Kickstarter could be another way to efficiently finance anime. I wish more directors would do something like Yuasa did with Kick-Heart. Neat, independent, crowd-funded anime. Too bad those are for only really short anime, like with 1 episode. :C |
Milk_is_Special said: Use the term correctly please.Probably a troll... Maerow said: What's wrong with it? If nobody bought the manga or dvds for FMA we would have never had a FMA: Brotherhood. If Fate/Zero flopped in sales we wouldn't have had Fate/Stay Night. VitaminCaim said: Purchasing music = chance the artist you're supporting makes more music. Purchasing games = bigger and better games Purchasing anime = better anime There are people who actually think that way ? Really ? Money decides everything in business. Do you think those animators just make anime because they do it for free time? Money doesn't grow on trees you know. |
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mayukachan said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: But seriously, speaking of Yuasa, Kickstarter could be another way to efficiently finance anime. I wish more directors would do something like Yuasa did with Kick-Heart. Neat, independent, crowd-funded anime. Too bad those are for only really short anime, like with 1 episode. :C Well, international anime fandom isn't THAT big to finance much more than that I guess, but it's a perfect way for young and/or experimental animators to enjoy creative freedom and work independently from the demands of the japanese market on a more international level with different/diversified interests. It's a good starting point at least. |
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| Eh I watch most of my stuff illegally. In New Zealand, not only is there very little choice of shows, anime is expensive as hell. No way I'm shelling out $60+ for 12 episodes of anime. |
PornSymphony said: Maerow said: better anime ? LOLThere are actually people who think that way ? Really ? Better anime = 60fps, flashier lights, and beautiful filler. |
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Miraclezify said: Eh I watch most of my stuff illegally. In New Zealand, not only is there very little choice of shows, anime is expensive as hell. No way I'm shelling out $60+ for 12 episodes of anime. 60 dollars would only get you 3 episodes lololol |
Feaor said: Blind_Guardian said: I don't really understand people who are anti-piracy. Information and entertainment should be free. In the case of a TV series or whatever, its someone's intellectual property, you're not entitled to view it. If entertainment was free then the entire industry would collapse because it takes time and money to create entertainment. I'll decide what I'm entitled to, thank you. You can piss right off. Higashi_no_Kaze said: rothrock said: You should think of the implications of such statements. A rapist could use the same logic to justify that he didn't go to a hooker but instead 'got it for free'. Lots of things are available 'for free' if you 'don't give a fuck'. This is not a very agreeable motto if I may say so Easily the most ignorant statement of this entire thread. |
Blind_Guardian said: Feaor said: In the case of a TV series or whatever, its someone's intellectual property, you're not entitled to view it. If entertainment was free then the entire industry would collapse because it takes time and money to create entertainment. I'll decide what I'm entitled to, thank you. You can piss right off. Higashi_no_Kaze said: You should think of the implications of such statements. A rapist could use the same logic to justify that he didn't go to a hooker but instead 'got it for free'. Lots of things are available 'for free' if you 'don't give a fuck'. This is not a very agreeable motto if I may say so Easily the most ignorant statement of this entire thread. Do you have some kind of argument that I can dismantle or do you just have meaningless phrases that show that you most likely missed the point? Feel free to elaborate. |
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Blind_Guardian said: Feaor said: In the case of a TV series or whatever, its someone's intellectual property, you're not entitled to view it. If entertainment was free then the entire industry would collapse because it takes time and money to create entertainment. I'll decide what I'm entitled to, thank you. You can piss right off. Higashi_no_Kaze said: You should think of the implications of such statements. A rapist could use the same logic to justify that he didn't go to a hooker but instead 'got it for free'. Lots of things are available 'for free' if you 'don't give a fuck'. This is not a very agreeable motto if I may say so Easily the most ignorant statement of this entire thread. There is some pretty hilarious irony with these two responses. |
| lmao i can't believe we managed to have a flame war on such a trivial topic oh MAL |
mayukachan said: I'm okay with it, mostly because most stuff I want to watch aren't on the sites you named. Exactly, I would rather use a website that has the anime that I want to watch then pay for websites that don't have them. I personally use kissanime because it has almost all the anime that I have wanted to watch. I could care less if it is illegal or not. |
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mayukachan said: lmao i can't believe we managed to have a flame war on such a trivial topic oh MAL I don't know, I don't think its really that trivial of a topic, piracy is a huge issue in the digital age. I don't give a shit if other people pirate stuff, that's their prerogative, I personally don't as much as I can because I like to support content creators so they make more content. |
| Well, if it available in.my country, i will purchase it (anime or games)... |
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Blind_Guardian said: I don't really understand people who are anti-piracy. Information and entertainment should be free. Wow. Just wow. mattao313 said: If I can get something free I ain't gonna pay for straight up it doesn't matter if its anime, music or video games I don't give a fuck. If everyone thought the way you did, those industries would literally cease to exist. There are plenty of arguments for and against piracy. In the music industry at the very least, piracy can have a positive impact on sales, in the sense that lesser known artists can take advantage of piracy as "advertising". There are legit arguments in which some sales benefit post piracy (if there was no piracy, people would be hesitant to pay to support). But without a doubt this does not and will not ever apply to producers/entertainers who are popular. Those are the people who are always hit the hardest by piracy. Whether this applies to the anime industry is a whole different question. There is also the argument of inaccessibility, or "inconvenience" as labelled in this thread. It's legitimate and unfortunate, but you can only hope that platforms get better over time to deal with this. Price is NOT a justified argument for piracy. It's obvious that price makes a big difference in what people are willing to spend given fixed disposable income, but the REASON price is high is BECAUSE piracy is rampant. It's a vicious cycle. It's kind of like saying women are stupid so they shouldn't go to school (terrible analogy, but meh). It makes no sense. I can guarantee you that if the sales base grew at a rate even half as much as the pirating base, the industry would be prosperous and ecstatic. baki502 said: I dont understand how companies still havent realized how much of an factor inconvenience is. The more effort I have to put into buying something the less likely I will do so. Hell I was buying like 2-3 games per year prior to digital distribution ala Steam and Co, now I buy like 50 of them. Just cause they are so easy to buy and so goddamn cheap. It's not just inconvenience that you have to take into account. People are realising more and more that the most efficient way to tap into the entertainment industry is to take advantage of the highly elastic demand. By forming a highly accessible, simple international platform that caters to the entire market, they have essentially secured 90% of the potential buyers. From there it's simply a case of lowering prices enough so that the growing sales gains exceed the loss from dropping unit sales prices. |
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mayukachan said: lmao i can't believe we managed to have a flame war on such a trivial topic oh MAL Nothing is too trivial for a civilized discussion flame war. I'm sure that's some kind of Internet rule- |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| I use fansubs (stream and sometimes download) mostly since my ISP is garbage internet is shit here in the boondocks and the only other option is satellite which only offers 40 GB a month with 6 MB down for $130. Crunchyroll won't load videos past 4PM on SD due to congestion. So I download after this time and hope it won't fail me it takes like 2+ hours to download 100~200MB file if the download isn't interruptted. xD I buy everything I like though so I don't really think its a big a deal. Also if I can't sleep late at night when there is no congestion I go on Crunchyroll and watch anime. |
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| I don't care how people watch their anime, and I don't think it's wrong to download or stream illegally. Personally I only watch legal streams, like on Hulu and Crunchy (I use Netflix for dubbed anime). The quality is great and I don't have to pay out the ass to watch a series I enjoy. But sometimes, in cases like Hyouka which remains unlicensed for whatever reason, I have to download to actually own. While I would like to purchase every series I watched and liked, I just don't have the money for it. So I stick to legal streams. |
| To answer the original question, I use a mix. I buy some, download some, and legally stream some. (No illegal streams since I don't buy bootleg discs, so why watch bootleg streams that give money to pirates?) Part of the motivation for DLing lies in laziness/cheapness, and part of it stems from the illegal scene's better ability at handling certain kinds of shows and content. No official disc release could ever do justice to a text-heavy show like Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, for instance. AnimeSweden said: That's what binders and other compact alternate methods of disc storage are for. And where doesn't anime have a "geek factor"?I'll never buy physical products related to anime or manga though. It has too much of a geek factor here, and I'm honestly not interested in cluttering my room with manga or anime related products. AnimeSweden said: Oh boy, I can already imagine the crappy blurry 720p upscales of stuff that was made in SD and never had any Blu-Rays or HD broadcasts! Besides, are you really going to play the "unless they have this random 113-episode sports anime from 1985, I'm not buying/subscribing to anything" card? That's moving the goalposts beyond the moon.Imagine if there was one site that has EVERYTHING related to anime and manga. Everything would be available in crystal clear 720p quality for download or streaming. People all over the world would be able to access anything related to anime and manga with the click of a button. They could even implement a list system similiar to MAL and a lot of other good stuff. I would gladly pay a yearly/monthly fee for such services. Everything in one place. Make this happen Japan and I'll gladly pay for it. And the industry's never going to allow people to download as much as they want for a yearly/monthly fee. The bandwidth alone would be a money-loser. If it ever happens, it'd likely be on a pay-per-episode basis. Incidentally, ANN's Answerman just had a column where he addressed the likelihood of broad-based paid download services. (Short answer: not very, and it wouldn't be DRM-free) Check under the reply to "Edgar". Kolnikov said: If only there were some companies in countries other than Japan that licensed and distributed anime! What a world that would be, right?Japan doesn't care about us, so why should we care? Just keep watching bro. They don't even make an effort to distribute their cartoons. baki502 said: 3 $60 physical games still gives more money to the industry than 50 $3 downloaded games. And how is clicking a few buttons and entering a card number to buy products online different between physical discs and digital games, anyway? The only difference comes in the delivery time scale, and the buyer's work is already done by that point. I dont understand how companies still haven't realized how much of an factor inconvenience is. The more effort I have to put into buying something the less likely I will do so. Hell I was buying like 2-3 games per year prior to digital distribution ala Steam and Co, now I buy like 50 of them. Just cause they are so easy to buy and so goddamn cheap. But I ask to all the Steam addicts out there who constantly clamor, "Steam is my life, give us Steam for anime, give us Steam for anime, we promise all the 'animu is worthless' pirates will start buying en masse and drop all their other complaints about dubs, subtitle styles, localization choices, etc.!" What price per episode would you be willing to pay? The Japanese $30-$35 per episode? The "upscale" Western (think Aniplex of America) $7.50-$10.00 per episode? The more typical Funimation/Sentai $3.50-$5.00 per episode? Sure, there's some cost savings from avoiding physical replication and distribution, but if the companies have to take a massive revenue hit because people aren't willing to pay profitable prices, why should they bother with all the headaches of a download service? |
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| It is probably impossible for the anime community to be this big without piracy. Just ask yourself "How did I start anime?". You'd might have started with illegal streams or have been introduced by someone who watches or used to watch illegal streams. This means if they didn't exist, you might not have even heard of anime There's those who have no access to buying anime, it's really hard for them to find any way to support the original creator If those who have access to anime paid for all the anime they watched (assuming the prices are what they are now), they'd be broke. But of course the price wouldn't be that high if everyone was paying, because companies wouldn't have to have such high prices to profit. So technically if we all start buying at once, then there'd be more demand for anime. This would in turn make them more willing to start to have more anime out of Japan. By scale of economy, the costs of shipping these anime out would be cheaper. We'd get them cheaper. In short term the demands would be so high, the cost skyrockets, shit goes outta stock, people are forced to pirate anyways. However in the long term, it might be every anime fan's dream come true, anime in mainstream society. ^That's just in theory. It probably wouldn't even work that way. I'm not exactly for or against piracy. Just do whatever you want, you can enjoy anime, but you will have to watch all the developments in the anime industry (for bad or for worse) knowing you never did anything. |
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| I torrent them because I'm not dumb enough to pay for something I'll probably never watch ever again unless its one of my favorite series. |
| Eh, I don't have any DVD or blue ray player, nor my laptop has a disc box, so torrent is the only best way to get around. |
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Zalis said: baki502 said: 3 $60 physical games still gives more money to the industry than 50 $3 downloaded games. And how is clicking a few buttons and entering a card number to buy products online different between physical discs and digital games, anyway? The only difference comes in the delivery time scale, and the buyer's work is already done by that point. I dont understand how companies still haven't realized how much of an factor inconvenience is. The more effort I have to put into buying something the less likely I will do so. Hell I was buying like 2-3 games per year prior to digital distribution ala Steam and Co, now I buy like 50 of them. Just cause they are so easy to buy and so goddamn cheap. But I ask to all the Steam addicts out there who constantly clamor, "Steam is my life, give us Steam for anime, give us Steam for anime, we promise all the 'animu is worthless' pirates will start buying en masse and drop all their other complaints about dubs, subtitle styles, localization choices, etc.!" What price per episode would you be willing to pay? The Japanese $30-$35 per episode? The "upscale" Western (think Aniplex of America) $7.50-$10.00 per episode? The more typical Funimation/Sentai $3.50-$5.00 per episode? Sure, there's some cost savings from avoiding physical replication and distribution, but if the companies have to take a massive revenue hit because people aren't willing to pay profitable prices, why should they bother with all the headaches of a download service? Its not 50 games I buy at 3€, its 3 Games I still buy at 50€ at launch the ones that I am really hardcore about and 47 at 3€ ones that just look interesting, mostly indies. Also I wouldn accept a pay per episode model at all. Why? Because unlike games where I can judge from a trailer what my experience is going to be like going by the gameplay, you cannot judge which way a story might go. If you look at my page I drop a significant amount of anime, and honestly if I paid for them or even some I dont drop but I rate under a 7 I would consider it a waste of my money. On top of that I do not rewatch anime. So no I want a monthly/yearly fee kind of thing. Oh and the bandwith argument is worthless. Bandwith is becoming less and less of an factor in the future, with 5G coming around 2020 too and glass fiber expanding more and more. A system like CR is what I want. But more complete. 200 series of which Ive seen over half already and the rest I dont care for is not enough. I dont live in the US btw. So yeah there is only one way to get anime here and that is by ordering them on Amazon. Which for above mentioned reasons is not an option for me. I also dislike physical media. Just the thought of having about 400 DVD/Blu-Ray - Boxes in my room is horrible. |
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