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y123y said: just stop it...you are not funny,you are an extreme hater and its bad for your health...JabonHR said: Well, it's a popular opinion among anime-only viewers. At least he's actually enjoying this show, so let's leave it at that. Whom are you referring to? |
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ZeroDragon said: Also this scene:  Made this come to mind (spoilers regarding Caster's identity and master) Awesome |
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JabonHR said: I'd like to ask, in your opinion, how does watching F/Z enhance the F/SN experience for you? THIS POST MAY CONTAIN EXPECTATION SPOILERS (BUT NOT ANY PLOT-RELATED SPOILERS) In my case, it has a lot to do with expectations. Admittedly, if I hadn't watched Fate/Zero earlier, I probably would have been more frustrated with some of the characterization and the pacing of the show. Fate/Zero gave me the backstory to these characters, and gave me a personal attachment to them before the show even started. For example, Kiritsugu comes across to me as a more tragic, loving character after seeing his backstory rather than the larger than life, enigmatic character he would have been. Watching F/Z also gave me more patience regarding the gradual plot development of UBW. If I hadn't been impressed by F/Z before, I may not be trusting this show enough to impress me either. This is all just from my experience though :D I would still recommend going from FSN to FZ to a new viewer, but starting with FZ definitely had some benefits. :) |
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y123y said: Its a shame how you VN players and previous watchers of other Fate animes give this unwelcoming feeling to those of us who are watching Fate for the first time. Like if the views of first time watchers are not welcomed since they dont know what will really happen. Its a real shame. wha.. |
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y123y said: Just stop your "He is surrounded by a lot of hot girls and a hot guy,im jealous" act...Half of the posts every week are your Shirou hate posts and i there is no option to make them disappear so you are bothering me...You didnt even try to understand or like him...Just give him a chance or you will feel really stupid later...LonelyWizard said: just stop it...you are not funny,you are an extreme hater and its bad for your health... I wasnt talking to you. stop trying to get attention |
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JabonHR said: Kolnikov said: I just said I think it was better to watch F/Z first, I'm appreciating the story now a lot more. That's actually interesting, considering Type-Moon fans like myself would say it's far easier to appreciate Fate/Zero after reading Fate/stay night. I've always been a little resistant to the idea of watching F/Z first, because I imagine it gives you a different idea of Fate from what the original story intended, and that would set up disappointment when F/SN came though, like the complaints of the "high school setting" and Shirou being supposedly generic. I'd like to ask, in your opinion, how does watching F/Z enhance the F/SN experience for you? I watched F/Z first, and it didn't hurt my experience in the slightest. Sure some of the revelations no longer surprised me, but the anticipation in seeing the characters discover them, their reactions, and how it influences their future actions made up for most of the loss of shock factor. I also looked at the interactions between some of the characters in a different light since I knew them or their situation. Anything scenes in F/SN involving Kiritsugu, Rin, Sakura, the blond guy, Kirei, and Illya gave me more impact than it would have. I'm not an elitist or too picky about the age of the cast or the setting as long as the characters handle themselves well and receive good development. I didn't expect something like F/Z when I went to read F/SN. I knew I had watched a prequel written by a different author, so I kept my mind open. Most people don't and that's their loss. That being said, I still definitely recommend going through F/SN's story before F/Z's as the order intended. I rewatched F/Z after reading the F/SN VN and realized how much more I would have enjoyed F/Z if I had known certain things before hand from F/SN. |
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y123y said: Its a shame how you VN players and previous watchers of other Fate animes give this unwelcoming feeling to those of us who are watching Fate for the first time. Like if the views of first time watchers are not welcomed since they dont know what will really happen. Its a real shame. lol |
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Kolnikov said: chickenonthepan said: Guys, what is "it" here? FZ or FSN? XD I just said I think it was better to watch F/Z first, I'm appreciating the story now a lot more. And my comment is about the episode 7 of FSN. Exactly my thoughts. I think that watching F/Z first was the right choice for me even though the majority of people say otherwise |
y123y said: LonelyWizard said: Just stop your "He is surrounded by a lot of hot girls and a hot guy,im jealous" act...Half of the posts every week are your Shirou hate posts and i there is no option to make them disappear so you are bothering me...You didnt even try to understand or like him...Just give him a chance or you will feel really stupid later... I have never said any of those things y123y said: im too lazy to find your other hate posts :/ sorryI almost threw my pizza at the screen when Shirou was giving us those "I want to save everyone" MC shounen lines over and over and over |
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y123y said: Its a shame how you VN players and previous watchers of other Fate animes give this unwelcoming feeling to those of us who are watching Fate for the first time. Like if the views of first time watchers are not welcomed since they dont know what will really happen. Its a real shame.  |
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| This episode embodies everything awesome with Archer. Gotta love the reworked scenes by ufotable as well. Especially this scene: Shirou - "I can handle this myself!" Archer - "Is that so?" *Proceeds to kick him* Glorious. |
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y123y said: Its a shame how you VN players and previous watchers of other Fate animes give this unwelcoming feeling to those of us who are watching Fate for the first time. Like if the views of first time watchers are not welcomed since they dont know what will really happen. Its a real shame. It's not that they're unwelcome to people like you, but rather they're tired of seeing people in your situation make negative proclamations that are inaccurate, completely wrong, or rush to judgement without full knowledge of what they're talking about. |
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Praland said: Oh SakuraFish, It only took one Praland post for me to like you. |
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y123y said: ZeroDragon said: It's not that they're unwelcome to people like you, but rather they're tired of seeing people in your situation make proclamations that are inaccurate, completely wrong, or rush to judgement without full knowledge of what they're talking about. It doesnt feel that way at all im pretty sure its that way only against you,People mostly tend to help others,especially newcomers(about the franchise)in this thread y123y said: Wow, whoever wrote that is actually very funny. i m sorry...i know you try really hard but you are not making any sense also you are not funny... |
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y123y said: ZeroDragon said: It doesnt feel that way at all For one thing, It's the views of the first time watchers that interest me the most. However, If someone does as Zero says, we reserve our right to laugh at them. |
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y123y said: It doesnt feel that way at all From what I have seen, it seems that the Priests are not fond of you specifically, rather than newcomers as a whole. While the fan base can definitely get....very passionate, some of your early posts in the initial episode discussions felt somewhat provocative. The reason why you feel that way isn't very indicative of how newcomers feel as a whole. |
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y123y said: And how do we fist time watchers know that theyre wrong if we have never seen anything of Fate? Your not, inb4 we tell you to just "Keep watching and you will see" However you insist on repeating the same shit over and over again no matter what we say. Edit* Nvm, It's literally just one big bait composed of smaller more obvious baits. |
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y123y said: Or,you know try to watch and understand episodes,try some emphaty...Then come here to share your opinions with us instead of writing same hate posts under every episode discussion...Whatever im fine with both if you will keep your hate to yourself...Alright alright. Fine. After this message, I will never post another message in any of the Fate forums ever again. I will never give my opinion in any of the episodes, characters, etc. [i]"Drown in your hatred and die" |
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| Unlimited Budget Works. Wait, what? A Servant has the ability to summon another Servant? That kind of blew my mind. Everything I know is wrong! Really liked that graveyard of swords(or whatever it was) in the dream Rin was having. Seemed really cool. It reminded me of the hill of swords in Berserk. |
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y123y said: ZeroDragon said: It's not that they're unwelcome to people like you, but rather they're tired of seeing people in your situation make proclamations that are inaccurate, completely wrong, or rush to judgement without full knowledge of what they're talking about. It doesnt feel that way at all. And how do we fist time watchers know that theyre wrong if we have never seen anything of Fate? Which is why they shouldn't act like they know anything for certain and rush to a firm judgement. They have to be patient and let the story unfold. They can make guesses, they can have opinions, but they can't declare those guesses and opinions as if they were fact and dismiss the assurances/corrections of those who do know what they're talking about. Example of the kind of mentality Fate veterans have to deal with: Noob: "Shirou is a generic annoying MC who is very naive." Veteran: "His personality is an important plot point and he'll develop." Noob: "Irrelevant, still generic annoying MC who is very naive and it doesn't matter what you say." Veteran: "Just be patient." Noob: "THIS ANIME IS OVERRATED WITH STUPID HIGH SCHOOL KIDS AND THEIR HAREM AND NOT DARK AND MATURE LIKE FATE/ZERO." |
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ihusmal1234 said: I think they're making the foreshadowing too obvious but hey people are blind so whatever. Hmm I'm not sure if I'm on the right track but this is the first time I've even caught a foreshadowing I think in an anime...most likely because there was just one thing that bothered me lol. But I think this episode solidifies my thought |
| Amazing episode as usual, bring on the next episode. |
Mormegil said: Unlimited Budget Works. Wait, what? A Servant has the ability to summon another Servant? That kind of blew my mind. Everything I know is wrong! you didn't see anything yet xD. my brother is watching UBW right now, and i want to spoiler him sooooooooooo mucchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh about some things i know xD antonn said: Praland said: This anime would be better with more Carnival Phantasm Caster FTFY :) |
| fantastic episode. so there is the possiblity of a servant summoning a servant. pretty cool animation as always brilliant not gonna bother saying anything since sadly as a first time watcher it is impossible to speculate with all vn readers here.too bad the hostility from vn readers (not everyone of course) towards new people to fate. |
| Mastery through endless repetition seems to be an appropriate description. Another very enjoyable episode. I wonder if they can keep this kind of pace up. For me personally, so far this adaption blows Fate/Zero out of the water. NNMP said: Oh, yes, Shirou was attacked. Slash that bitch. Certainly the best part of this episode. So angry. |
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xSanox said: fantastic episode. so there is the possiblity of a servant summoning a servant. pretty cool animation as always brilliant not gonna bother saying anything since sadly as a first time watcher it is impossible to speculate with all vn readers here.too bad the hostility from vn readers (not everyone of course) towards new people to fate. Speculate away, I love that stuff. |
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MapoPriest said: Yea,OST's kinda weak so far...No lightning swordsman was kind of annoying not a huge fan of the OST so far. |
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Shrimperor said: i don't remember about first ep, but i doubt it was said in the first ep and put in spoiler, to be safe My bad, It is mentioned in the first episode of Fate Zero but not in FSN, Though I'm pretty sure Kire mentions in what ever episode he and shirou talk in the church. |
MapoPriest said: No lightning swordsman was kind of annoying not a huge fan of the OST so far. I've pretty much given up on hearing any of the old songs bar one. But also still hope for: |
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MapoPriest said: No lightning swordsman was kind of annoying not a huge fan of the OST so far. I'll go ahead and say it now, I was never a fan of Lightning Swordsman. It just doesn't gel that well for me. I thought the OST was pretty great this episode, honestly. |
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y123y said: Its a shame how you VN players and previous watchers of other Fate animes give this unwelcoming feeling to those of us who are watching Fate for the first time. Like if the views of first time watchers are not welcomed since they dont know what will really happen. Its a real shame. Let me give you an advice. Ignore 'em. Seriously. I've said 10x so far and I'll repeat, I should not post in FSN thread. Same stands for others that are just as big (or bigger) fanboys of source material. We can't accept criticism or people guessing stuff. We think it's unnatural, when in fact, we do the same on other shows discussion boards. Thus, we should just comment on general thread with spoilers tag and duke it out there. So yeah, ignore people telling you you're wrong. Otherwise, sooner or later, you're gonna run into spoiler that's going to ruin you an otherwise great show. Enjoy the ride. The less you know, the better. ;) And keep guessing, assuming and everything else. That's the point of watching something for the first time. Being wrong and then surprised. |
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NNMP said: Just realized something :/...We were able to bear Shirou's personality as VN readers because we knew his reasons from Fate Route...Anime only viewers lack that knowledge which leads that kind of comments...Thats why Ufotable needed to make a Fate remake before UBWOh, yes, Shirou was attacked. Slash that bitch. Certainly the best part of this episode. |
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Kolnikov said: I don't know how you could feel disappointment about the high school setting if they don't even focus on the high school itself. It just happens that the characters are in high school. Well, I would never judge the quality of something based on the type of the setting. Not to mention I don't really have preferences on settings; if it's done right I think I could watch basically anything. That's good to hear. Many anime-only viewers have tried to devalue F/SN by saying it's less "dark and mature" than F/Z simply because the characters happen to be younger than those found in F/Z, and it's pretty bad. It doesn't help that some viewers might also have a negative preconception of F/SN because of Deen's rather horribly executed adaptation. Watching F/Z first gave me an idea of how this universe, the whole magic setting and how the Holy Grail War really works (is better to understand with more depth the conversations, the characters' goals and the whole point of the story). Also, is really nice to see such a great focus on magic/worldbuilding in FSN. If anything, I could be disappointed about the characters, but I can't really tell with only 7 episodes, and I feel like this will be bigger and broader than F/Z. And I can say for sure that without F/Z I wouldn't be able to understand half of FSN. Is nice to be familiar with the whole universe; it makes me relate even more to the story. Boy, am I glad someone like you exists. Someone who doesn't give the "guilty until proven innocent" treatment. That was very well said. That's all I can say for now, I suppose. Thanks for the insight. |
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insan3priest said: MapoPriest said: No lightning swordsman was kind of annoying not a huge fan of the OST so far. I'll go ahead and say it now, I was never a fan of Lightning Swordsman. It just doesn't gel that well for me. OMG Yes. I thought I was one of the few. I actually mentioned in my live blog of the Fate route that Lightning Swordsman felt really out of place. I would've preferred something like Clashing Souls TBH for an epic battle like that. |
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Kolnikov said: JabonHR said: That's actually interesting, considering Type-Moon fans like myself would say it's far easier to appreciate Fate/Zero after reading Fate/stay night. I've always been a little resistant to the idea of watching F/Z first, because I imagine it gives you a different idea of Fate from what the original story intended, and that would set up disappointment when F/SN came though, like the complaints of the "high school setting" and Shirou being supposedly generic. I'd like to ask, in your opinion, how does watching F/Z enhance the F/SN experience for you?[/spoiler] I'll have to agree with you there. I don't know how I'd feel coming straight into Unlimited Blade Works when it comes to understanding general world concepts. Most of us from the VN had the fate route preceding it to introduce us to the world. But without that (or in your case Fate/zero) I think I would have trouble grasping some things first time around. Sadly with 24 minute time constraints the best we can get out of this adaptation alone is very brief looks at concepts highlighting their main points. I guess it just comes down to this: Fate/Zero takes far more prior knowledge to understand fully than Fate Stay Night (just the UBW route), which can be followed with nothing but rudimentary ideas on the world glimpsed in it's episodes. However as in your case Fate/Zero has been a adequate replacement for the fate route considering it covers quite a bit of what you learn there. But still Fate/Zero at it's heart and in it's execution is still a Prequel, and to achieve it's goal of such has to involve things revealed at later stages in FSN. Ugghhh.. I don't even know anymore, It used to be so black and White. I guess watching F/Z as always is just not "Ideal". But I can hardly reprimand people for doing it, as you say you have enjoyed seeing UBW from a different perspective and I think you will enjoy seeing many Parallels to come. Tl:dr: Pointless rambling, please carry on. |
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insan3priest said: I thought the OST was pretty great this episode, honestly. I agree, best so far I think - especially when Caster was bombarding Archer. |
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y123y said: I am not against apologies...and its never too late to realize some stuff instead of giving up...I did not say it thinking you but depending on your intentions you can take it as an apology,i always thought you are just trolling around but forgive me if im mistaken...LonelyWizard said: Just realized something :/...We were able to bear Shirou's personality as VN readers because we knew his reasons from Fate Route...Anime only viewers lack that knowledge which leads that kind of comments...Thats why Ufotable needed to make a Fate remake before UBW Is that...... is that an apology???!!!! AWWWW!!!! Come on, give me an online hug =D I forgive you You see everyone. There can be peace among us first time watcher and VN players =D |
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Epicenter said: yalvyn said: All these Stay night servants are seriously superior to their Zero counterpart. Tsun redman > backstabbing bastard angry blueman > shining face emo guy Samurai > a bunch of weaklings ara ara lady > Mesut Ozil Both rider are great tho. Meh. While I agree with most of what you said, Rider from Fate Zero is superior to all the current servants right now. At least in my view. Em, it is a fact that every Servant in FSN except Assassin(lack of Nps) is superior to FZ Rider. Unless if you mean the character, which then is totally subjective. |
toyall123 said: insan3priest said: I'll go ahead and say it now, I was never a fan of Lightning Swordsman. It just doesn't gel that well for me. OMG Yes. I thought I was one of the few. I actually mentioned in my live blog of the Fate route that Lightning Swordsman felt really out of place. I would've preferred something like Clashing Souls TBH for an epic battle like that. Yep yep. The OST is totally mind-blowing and matches perfectly with the scene. Some people may not like it that much but it is certainly not "weak". |
chickenonthepan said: toyall123 said: OMG Yes. I thought I was one of the few. I actually mentioned in my live blog of the Fate route that Lightning Swordsman felt really out of place. I would've preferred something like Clashing Souls TBH for an epic battle like that. Yep yep. The OST is totally mind-blowing and matches perfectly with the scene. Some people may not like it that much but it is certainly not "weak". Oh there's nothing wrong with the OST, I just like to hear remakes XD |
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