Not all new anime is shit

Zergneedsfood said:
And that matters because....?

Zergneedsfood said:
Nobody relevant uses the word "good" as an evaluation of a work's financial success.

Zergneedsfood said:
Except it's not correct. I don't understand how people ever get the impression that how good something is is affected by its financial success, but it's beyond me. Again, saying that you're using the correct definition is playing pointless semantics and everybody knows it.

Yeah, it's wrong. I don't know why we're debating the "interpretation" of the OP. There isn't any interpretation and thinking otherwise is, again, playing silly semantics arguments that I'm not even going to get into because of how pointless it is.

It is 100% obvious what he is talking about and it makes no sense to make this a business argument when the OP's subsequent posts completely line up with this thread being about people who think there haven't been any good anime since 2000.

romagia said:
OP just said 'not all new anime is shit'
a possible interpretation would be shit as in commercial failure/glorified OVAs/relies only on BD sales and merchandise, etc and perhaps OP was talking about stuff like Danchi Tomo, the new Precure, Yokai Watch, DBZ Kai, Kindaichi ...

since OP didnt give any examples, every possible interpretation is fair game

FGAU1912 said:

i tagged in late here so i nverraed the op lol

im shocked you cannot name one mainstream anime just think

romagia said:
n-naruto?

Zergneedsfood said:
I just want to reiterate, now that I don't want to talk about stupid semantics anymore, that a lot modern anime is by far technically superior to old anime. That is something that's pretty much impossible to deny.

Zergneedsfood said:
I just want to reiterate, now that I don't want to talk about stupid semantics anymore, that a lot modern anime is by far technically superior to old anime. That is something that's pretty much impossible to deny.

Various things from animation, sound editing, voice, etc. etc. are just objectively better now that the medium has gotten more modern and advanced.

Zergneedsfood said:
I've read it at least five times to make sure I wasn't hallucinating or on drugs.

Disagree completely.

Sound editing is 100% better than it used to be simply by nature of more professional software and the evolution of the medium (see Lain versus Texhnolyze as a base example).

Soundtracks are undoubtedly of higher technical quality than they used to be, especially since the sound quality of instruments and professional software is much better, not to mention the amount of talented instrumentalists in this modern age is greater than it was before.

As far as aesthetics are concerned, you get higher FPS, higher resolutions, a much clearer color pallet, and depending on what you watch, far more fluid animation and art detail (see Shinkai).

Also, lack of "detail" isn't a matter of technicalities (see Bakemonogatari where minimalistic backgrounds composed of a lot of sharp shapes and solid colors was clearly a style choice). If you compare similar genre anime (since it'd be stupid to compare set pieces in Ergo Proxy and then some random slice of life school show), I guarantee level of detail has either improved or stayed the same. This also doesn't include the fact that various TV anime over the last few years have been fine (see Aku no Hana and its set pieces) as far as modern art detail is concerned.

Again, one may have preferences, but you can't deny that many modern anime have straight up better technical production values than its older counterparts (see Madoka/shaft).

I mean...that's what they'll always say. I won't admit there's a lot of that, but there are a lot of good things about modern anime.

Zergneedsfood said:
I mean...that's what they'll always say. I won't admit there's a lot of that, but there are a lot of good things about modern anime.

Zergneedsfood said:
Can you clarify what you said? I don't understand what you just wrote.

I did not say that soundtracks from a quality of music perspective, though that argument could also be made.

I'm saying the quality of sound is better.

Zergneedsfood said:
Okay, I legitimately can't decipher what an anison is so I'm just going to wait until someone explains what he means by that.

Also I'm not referring to "anime songs" as in OPs. I'm talking about actual soundtracks. BGMs

Zergneedsfood said:
Thanks.

Okay that has nothing to do with the argument I'm making so I'll just ignore it I guess. Same logic as above applies anyway.

Zergneedsfood said:
Explain how then. My argument was not about music, it was about quality of sound. Please explain how anything you said relates to that.

Zergneedsfood said:
No it's not. Technical quality of sound is 100% not full of personal bias.

Explain to me how a Horowitz recording is not of lesser sound quality (not music quality) than studio recordings today.

Zergneedsfood said:
No it's not. Technical quality of sound is 100% not full of personal bias.

Explain to me how a Horowitz recording is not of lesser sound quality (not music quality) than studio recordings today.

JizzyHitler said:
its identical to how it ever was and ever will be. Mixed with some gems and alot of turds you shift through the find those gems. All the "problems" that plague the industry like pandering are all shared with older generations and will never change. Its identical.

Zergneedsfood said:
Does it? I would want to hear Horowitz or old Rachmaninoff recordings in clearer sounds. :/

Like....I guess it doesn't really matter much for anime since I don't think there have been that many anime where sound is a big big deal, though Lain and various other music oriented anime definitely are probably the exception, so think of it this way:

Would you like to watch Nodame Cantabile and listen to static filled recordings (some of Nausicaa's BGM iirc had some pretty questionable sound quality, but I could be wrong) or ones that aren't filled with static? It's an exaggeration, sure, but that's the point I'm making.

FGAU1912 said:
the inudtry is dictated by the fans right and since fans have becomce more entitled
anime has got worse insted of doing as they want or what the investors want thay bow they bow ot there hyper entitaled fan bases [ both side of the Pacific[ see space dandy]

Miraclezify said:
Well a lot of the stuff that is released is pretty crap. But that applies to everything. Sturgeon's Law at it's finest. But of course we're gonna have some gems every season as well as some decent stuff. But then again, who cares what others think?

Valaskjalf said:
I agree

Dragon Ball Kai is new therefore the statement "All new anime is shit" is false.

goldslash said:


I need to agree with that.

insan3Spectre said:
Have I mentioned how much I dislike this "sturgeon's law" crap? Because I do.

mecharobot said:
The problem is that all new good anime are actually old anime. This means sequels, remakes or adaptions of other old things. It really is like a miracle when you find something actually new.