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Mar 4, 2014 11:18 PM

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YorozuyaGinSan said:
Let people watch what they want, please.

Dated artwork is an admissible complaint.
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Mar 4, 2014 11:23 PM

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I feel sorry for them cos they don't know what they're missing
But respect their decision *shrugs*
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Mar 5, 2014 12:09 AM
Mar 5, 2014 12:12 AM
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Depends honestly, some older stuff has bad or very average artwork even for the time, and those shows are difficult to watch. The original MSG is one of my favourites that suffer from that, but hey they are re doing it so I can't complain.

BTW I always thought old was anything before 2000 not 2007... then again you could make a case for 2007 by calling it the HD area of anime.
Mar 5, 2014 12:36 AM

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Aqua_Mars said:
Their loss.

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jal90 said:
Aqua_Mars said:
Their loss.

Red_Keys said:
MAL never changes.


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Mar 5, 2014 3:23 AM

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:
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So 2007 is the new cutoff for old vs. new huh. Oh how the times change...

Has anyone even met someone who refuse to watch stuff pre-2007? This is pretty new to me.


I've seen requests for recs that even set 2010 as the cutoff date. And not only once.


I feel so old right now.
Mar 5, 2014 3:31 AM

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Mar 5, 2014 4:53 AM

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I think limiting yourself on what you watch based on how it looks is kind of silly. I prefer the way new anime looks but it only takes me a few episodes to get used to older anime and then I don't even notice that it looks "bad"
Mar 5, 2014 5:22 AM

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I prefer my anime new and fresh. It's normal to prefer the new to the old. That said, it wouldn't be the determining factor for deciding whether I would watch an anime or not. It might bother me at first, for a few minutes, and then I'll forget about it if the story is good enough.
Mar 5, 2014 5:26 AM

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I've watched anime from the 90's, 00's, 10's, 80's, and even the 1930's.

People who limit themselves are missing out.
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Mar 5, 2014 5:36 AM
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Age doesn't mean anything to me the majority of the time. Usually i don't watch anything beyond the 80s, i find that many things past that era didn't age so well (but not say that there are ones that did...and i haven't really watched anime beyond that era anyway).

But i can't stand people who dislike older stuff just simply for being older. People like that are (unfortunately, no offence) normally pretty boring and shallow.

I mean, i personally watch more newer anime than older ones (sue me elitists), but that's mainly because i have already seen a handful of older anime.

TL;DR, as long as it interests me, i will watch it, regardless of age.
Mar 5, 2014 5:44 AM

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Let people watch whatever they want. Missing out or not there's still lots of good stuff coming out so in the end they'll watch something good either way.
I don't mind old shows but I do prefer newer animation for action genre specifically.
Mar 5, 2014 5:49 AM

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Everyone should watch whatever they want
Mar 5, 2014 5:57 AM

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The poll results surprise me unless people thinking "I watched Bebop, Dragon Ball and NGE so I like shows from all eras".
In my experience it's hard to come by people on MAL who don't have at least a bias towards newer shows and if they don't, they often prefer old ones.
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Mar 5, 2014 6:08 AM
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Mar 5, 2014 10:15 AM

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i generally feel that people should watch what they want. period.

but i do get that creeping sense of annoyance when i see a rec that asks for asks for something like 2008 or later. i know it means nothing to me, but it sort of gets to me.

i actually do have what i think is a decent argument for checking out old shows - don't people want to know where anime comes from? even if its not THAT long ago? to me, if i am interested in something, i want to know the history behind it. thereis plenty of post-war entertainment, inc. kaiju films, that influence todays work.There are plenty of shows/movies that i have read about, but haven't seen. but at least i have a feel for how things developed over time?

how can you love anime but not care at all about where it came from?

see: Little Boy: The Arts of Japan's Exploding Subculture by the famous artist Takashi Murakami, if you want a primer on post-WWII japanese arts. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_18?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=little%20boy%20the%20arts%20of%20japan%27s%20exploding%20subculture
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Mar 5, 2014 11:03 AM

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I can understand where they are coming from, as the art style is very important to me, but I don't necessarily agree with them, as I've found quite a few older series that make up for it with a decent plot and characters.

Then again, if they aren't new to anime, then they would be close minded if they do this, and that isn't something I'm particularly fond of.
Mar 5, 2014 11:06 AM

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damn they are missing out Death Note and Code Geass (2006)
Mar 5, 2014 11:15 AM

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I understand them, part of what put me off older anime is their artwork, animation, and even sometimes the way they're presented. And that includes even the best classics.

Valaskjalf said:
damn they are missing out Death Note and Code Geass (2006)


Code Geass brings nothing new to the table except a multidimensional Lelouch that is the only above average written character in the entire show. They could watch Mirai Nikki and get Yuno. She's not as well written but I found the series worthy of the title 'so bad it's good' more than Geass.

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So, What do you think is on the other side?
Mar 5, 2014 11:31 AM
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2007 is super recent! I would say Anime from before 1980 starts getting a little difficult, but apart from that any Anime can have good or bad art, for example based on character design or budget, etc. It's only somewhat related to when the Anime aired.
Mar 5, 2014 11:41 AM
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idk why people gotta hate, I love newer stuff a lot mroe than older stuff (i really like the shiny animations like guilty crown or gatchaman). If something is too old I shy away from it or atleast think twice before I watch it. I think most people are just being elitest or something when they say everyone is retarded for prefering newer stuff, some people just prefer shiny to plot :D
Mar 5, 2014 11:44 AM

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caboose315 said:
If something is too old I shy away from it or atleast think twice before I watch it. I think most people are just being elitest or something when they say everyone is retarded for prefering newer stuff

No, I don't think you're retarded at all, for shying away from stuff just because they are old.
Mar 5, 2014 11:45 AM

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Kill 'em with fire.

Seriously, even if I love oldschool animes, I wouldn't dare to say that I don't give a damn style and animation, because an anime has to something nice to see (thanks Captain Obvious)

The point is: if people hate scanlines? Fine, no problemo. And it's useless to say that by staying away from "old art" and low res they're missing out, 'cause probably they can't care less.
Mar 5, 2014 12:28 PM

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Watch whatever the hell you want. I'm fine with it. The thing that pisses me off is the idea that newer anime art being better is a fact. While a lot prefer newer anime art some of us prefer older anime art. Personally I'm not fond of the shiny crisp clean art we have today. Most of the time it just looks generic where as older art generally seemed to have more personality to it. I kinda like the art to be a bit rough. 70s and 80s anime just seemed to have more style. Its all my opinion though. So yeah watch what you want and if you prefer newer anime or only watch newer anime good for you. Just don't be an elitist jerk.
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Mar 5, 2014 12:59 PM

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IMO, they're hypocrites... But I guess everyone likes what they like and have different tastes, which I (sorta) understand .
Mar 5, 2014 1:02 PM

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I find myself enjoying 90's series more than I do current ones and those who say older anime are bad are hypocrites because alot of people were claiming this yet I know 90% of this site are fma fanboys which started 2002, isn't that pretty old compared to many of the newer series that are currently running?
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Mar 5, 2014 1:04 PM

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As long as I can get a hold of it in one way or another, I'm fine. After being spoiled by recent animation standards, I definitely am biased towards newer animation, but I still don't mind my old collection of anime.
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Mar 5, 2014 1:07 PM

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Depends on what you mean by low res. I refuse to watch anime in shitty quality too. If its not at least 480p in really good quality I wont watch it.
Mar 5, 2014 1:12 PM

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I don't care about those ignorant people,they don't exist to me
Mar 5, 2014 1:15 PM

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i think there simpletons
Mar 5, 2014 1:45 PM

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:
Old art is superior anyway. Animation not so much, but well, you can't have everything.


Cowboy Bebop?
Mar 5, 2014 2:09 PM

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RichtheLionheart said:
Higashi_no_Kaze said:
Old art is superior anyway. Animation not so much, but well, you can't have everything.


Cowboy Bebop?


Not what I'd call old, I was more talking about 70's and 80's stuff. Besides Bebop is an exception :P
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Mar 5, 2014 2:14 PM
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People can watch what they want, but I don't see the problem with anime that was made before 2007.
Mar 5, 2014 2:22 PM
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Do you think they are ignorant and are missing out of some of the big greats?

I do think they're missing out, but they're just plebs that's fine.

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And if you think pre-2007 is old

hahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahha

kids these days

More than 80% of my viewing is old school, but I do watch some new stuff too like Code Geass and I am looking forward to the new Garo anime. And even with new anime, its based on manga I have been reading for a long time like Hajime no Ippo.

But come on, Akira and Macross Do You Remember Love still stand the test of time.
Mar 5, 2014 4:32 PM

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I think it's their choice if they want to avoid more archaic, old or antiquated anime. You could argue about quality, but that's be fucking semantic.

I'd tell them okay, cool. That's nice of them to have a mind of their own and to make decisions based on what they'll enjoy and what'll make them happy.
Mar 5, 2014 5:10 PM

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I'll watch anything that's good no matter how old. There's a lot of good anime pre 2007...their loss I suppose.

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Mar 5, 2014 5:58 PM

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I don't mind them.

Actually the big majority of what I've watched is post-2007. I really need to get on that, maybe I'll watch LOGH or something.
Mar 5, 2014 6:22 PM

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I would think that they'd run out of things to watch pretty fast
Mar 5, 2014 6:28 PM
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Zephys said:
I would think that they'd run out of things to watch pretty fast
There's probably more anime made between 2010-2014 than there was for the entirety of the '90s.
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I think it's their choice what to watch. I started anime with only watching after 2007. Later I tried giving a shot at old anime, finding that some are actually really good. So, I would think they're missing out, but its their choice.
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Mar 5, 2014 7:19 PM

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Imo they're missing out, but they're definitely doing themselves a disservice if they're the type of viewer who complains about all the moe/loli/ecchi/high-school/slice-of-life anime being made these days, but then refuse to watch older shows that might be more appealing to their tastes just because they're old.

And the low-res problem can easily be fixed by watching things on a smaller display.

skudoops said:
BTW I always thought old was anything before 2000 not 2007... then again you could make a case for 2007 by calling it the HD area of anime.
It's also worth noting that 2007 essentially marked the end of 4:3 non-kiddy TV anime, as there were only three shows made in that aspect ratio that year (limited to the Winter & Spring seasons), and none after that. So setting a "nothing before 2007" cutoff may be a way of avoiding 4:3 anime, presumably because people can't stand neutral black bars of nothingness. I don't remember the same aversion to 16:9 anime back when people had 4:3/5:4 screens, but that's just one of life's mysteries.

And as with low-res anime, the solution is simple: get a 4:3 display.

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Zephys said:
I would think that they'd run out of things to watch pretty fast
There's probably more anime made between 2010-2014 than there was for the entirety of the '90s.
You're wrong, although to my surprise not by much. On AniDB's list, the 1990s begin at #1758 and end at #3436, for a total of 1678 titles. 2010 starts at #6359, and as of March 5th, the latest aired/airing anime is #8017 -- 1658 titles. So until the Spring '14 season begins, there are still 20 more titles made in the 1990s than in 2010-14. Of course, there may be some distortions at play, like the fact that tons of series these days get a 1-shot OAD bundled with the manga/LN and added to databases as separate entries.

However, cutting out the 2923 titles from 2000-2009 would be where people are really missing out. I can understand limiting oneself to 2000+, as there was a profound change in the anime world when things shifted from cel paint to digipaint. But I don't see years like 2007 or 2010 being nearly as different as the years that immediately preceded them. Maybe things got a little more "HD" when TV stations began airing upscaled 720p broadcasts of SD materials, but the 2010 line smacks of an arbitrary calendar-based cutoff to me. If these trends continue, I'm sure any 2-cour series in the Fall 2019 season is doomed to be dropped en masse midway through as soon as the clock strikes midnight on 1/1/20 by people who consider them to be "too last decade."
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I prefer better animations so I would go with more recent anime although I do love some classics.

I can understand that many people prefer the newer anime just cause of hte animation in general.
It's their choice, although I believe they are missing out a few ones that are completely worth the watch even if they are not the biggest fans of the animation in those anime.

I'm not even going that back, just take a good look at monster from 2004. It's a fucking masterpiece.
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I like a bit of both, but prefer 1980-2002
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Mar 5, 2014 9:08 PM

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So I went back recently to watch RahXephon, and MAN was it a trip seeing the older animation. It genuinely took me time to adjust to it.
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Zalis said:
You're wrong, although to my surprise not by much. On AniDB's list, the 1990s begin at #1758 and end at #3436, for a total of 1678 titles. 2010 starts at #6359, and as of March 5th, the latest aired/airing anime is #8017 -- 1658 titles. So until the Spring '14 season begins, there are still 20 more titles made in the 1990s than in 2010-14. Of course, there may be some distortions at play, like the fact that tons of series these days get a 1-shot OAD bundled with the manga/LN and added to databases as separate entries.


That's still a fuckload of anime for what is a considerably shorter amount of time. We're comparing 10 years to 3 and 1/6ths years.
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Heredity said:
Zalis said:
You're wrong, although to my surprise not by much. On AniDB's list, the 1990s begin at #1758 and end at #3436, for a total of 1678 titles. 2010 starts at #6359, and as of March 5th, the latest aired/airing anime is #8017 -- 1658 titles. So until the Spring '14 season begins, there are still 20 more titles made in the 1990s than in 2010-14. Of course, there may be some distortions at play, like the fact that tons of series these days get a 1-shot OAD bundled with the manga/LN and added to databases as separate entries.


That's still a fuckload of anime for what is a considerably shorter amount of time. We're comparing 10 years to 3 and 1/6ths years.
4 and 1/6, 2010 counts.
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IntroverTurtle said:
Heredity said:
Zalis said:
You're wrong, although to my surprise not by much. On AniDB's list, the 1990s begin at #1758 and end at #3436, for a total of 1678 titles. 2010 starts at #6359, and as of March 5th, the latest aired/airing anime is #8017 -- 1658 titles. So until the Spring '14 season begins, there are still 20 more titles made in the 1990s than in 2010-14. Of course, there may be some distortions at play, like the fact that tons of series these days get a 1-shot OAD bundled with the manga/LN and added to databases as separate entries.


That's still a fuckload of anime for what is a considerably shorter amount of time. We're comparing 10 years to 3 and 1/6ths years.
4 and 1/6, 2010 counts.
Right, right. Numbers is hard.
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