| I don't think patience comes into play. I'm just not looking to watch 600 episodes of a single anime. I like watching many different kinds of anime in a relatively short amount of time to keep things mixed up. I just don't want commit myself to 600 episodes. |
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skudoops said: DrGeroCreation said: Ulquiorra1923 said: I completely agree with this statement. People who only like short series and hate long series to me seem to only be looking for instant gratification.They don't have enough patience. Really? Because some people don't want to wait 15 YEARS for an ending they are only looking for instant gratification? I like the idea that a show that might take you half a year to finish if you watch it as it airs counts as instant gratification in the first place |
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skudoops said: NoSurrender1690 said: skudoops said: Long anime suffer from spectacle creep and tend to drag, many tend to have a ridiculous amount of fillers as well. Let me put this into perspective, naruto came out 2002 or 2003, it's now 2014... 12/11 years later and that is still going on. I mean that's just ridiculous for a show that has a continuous plot. im sorry but when some other things been going longer than that Well I was just using naruto as an example. No one really wants to wait 15 years to see the end of a show. That's a generalization. I have no problem waiting that long for a great series to end, and it would easily be more satisfying than a shorter one. Of course, that's also dependent on your attention span. |
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skudoops said: And a fair amount do, that's why those anime are so popular. I suppose so, but I'd say a fair amount of people don't want to wait that long. Again attention span really has nothing to do with it. It's 15 years for crying out loud, are we really going to try to say that people who don't want to watch a show for 15 years have short attention spans? To a point. It's only 20 minutes every week. There are live action tv shows that have 40 minute episodes that have a lot of seasons yet people love to watch them. |
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skudoops said: RedRoseFring said: skudoops said: NoSurrender1690 said: skudoops said: Long anime suffer from spectacle creep and tend to drag, many tend to have a ridiculous amount of fillers as well. Let me put this into perspective, naruto came out 2002 or 2003, it's now 2014... 12/11 years later and that is still going on. I mean that's just ridiculous for a show that has a continuous plot. im sorry but when some other things been going longer than that Well I was just using naruto as an example. No one really wants to wait 15 years to see the end of a show. That's a generalization. I have no problem waiting that long for a great series to end, and it would easily be more satisfying than a shorter one. Of course, that's also dependent on your attention span. I suppose so, but I'd say a fair amount of people don't want to wait that long. Again attention span really has nothing to do with it. It's 15 years for crying out loud, are we really going to try to say that people who don't want to watch a show for 15 years have short attention spans? It's not like the show is shown every second of everyday of every month of every year. I see no problem with keeping up with a long runner for that long AND watching other things, even if it is just an episode a week, so I still believe that "attention" has a lot to do with it.....or more adequately "patience". Like some others have said, I see so many people looking for instant gratification. They want a series they love so much to end and stop providing them with entertainment so that they can go and sample other crappy series. I do not understand that. The thought is just bizarre. |
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IntroverTurtle said: skudoops said: And a fair amount do, that's why those anime are so popular. I suppose so, but I'd say a fair amount of people don't want to wait that long. Again attention span really has nothing to do with it. It's 15 years for crying out loud, are we really going to try to say that people who don't want to watch a show for 15 years have short attention spans? To a point. It's only 20 minutes every week. There are live action tv shows that have 40 minute episodes that have a lot of seasons yet people love to watch them. Its actually the reason I hate US shows. Those goddamn things just never end. I like anime for its short series, Id rather have shorter different stories than one single big one. But I guess thats just me, I dont get invested into the characters more the more time I spend watching them I get bored by them. |
RedRoseFring said: This whole "instant gratification" thing is complete trash. I don't watch a 13 - 20 episode long anime for "instant gratification." 20 episodes is more than enough to flesh out a story and characters. Watching over 500 episodes of a single anime, even if it's over a period of time is just bizarre to me.Like some others have said, I see so many people looking for instant gratification. They want a series they love so much to end and stop providing them with entertainment so that they can go and sample other crappy series. I do not understand that. The thought is just bizarre. |
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RedRoseFring said: skudoops said: RedRoseFring said: skudoops said: NoSurrender1690 said: skudoops said: Long anime suffer from spectacle creep and tend to drag, many tend to have a ridiculous amount of fillers as well. Let me put this into perspective, naruto came out 2002 or 2003, it's now 2014... 12/11 years later and that is still going on. I mean that's just ridiculous for a show that has a continuous plot. im sorry but when some other things been going longer than that Well I was just using naruto as an example. No one really wants to wait 15 years to see the end of a show. That's a generalization. I have no problem waiting that long for a great series to end, and it would easily be more satisfying than a shorter one. Of course, that's also dependent on your attention span. I suppose so, but I'd say a fair amount of people don't want to wait that long. Again attention span really has nothing to do with it. It's 15 years for crying out loud, are we really going to try to say that people who don't want to watch a show for 15 years have short attention spans? It's not like the show is shown every second of everyday of every month of every year. I see no problem with keeping up with a long runner for that long AND watching other things, even if it is just an episode a week, so I still believe that "attention" has a lot to do with it.....or more adequately "patience". Like some others have said, I see so many people looking for instant gratification. They want a series they love so much to end and stop providing them with entertainment so that they can go and sample other crappy series. I do not understand that. The thought is just bizarre. Well the thing is we dont love this series "so much". If all series where as awesome and addictive as say Game of Thrones Id have no problem watching long anime. The thing is that pretty much almost every 100+ anime I have watched is mediocre or good. I can watch and enjoy mediocricy or something that is just good for 20 episodes but not for 100+. |
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BlackSabotage said: I know some long running anime drag on and are packed with filler but I hate this idea that 12 episode anime are superior. I'd honestly have a hard time believing a 12 episode anime would be able to offer enough to compete with the likes of LOTGH or Monster. Heck I don't believe I've given an anime series that short a score higher than 8. Dunno though too lazy to look. Oh well I find most of what's popular here to be on the overrated side :P Excuse me for being stupid Ive been up all night and my brain is not functioning properly. Maybe because long running things like Monster end up being disappointing once coming to the conclusion and riddled with plot holes |
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Emnay said: RedRoseFring said: This whole "instant gratification" thing is complete trash. I don't watch a 13 - 20 episode long anime for "instant gratification." 20 episodes is more than enough to flesh out a story and characters. Watching over 500 episodes of a single anime, even if it's over a period of time is just bizarre to me.Like some others have said, I see so many people looking for instant gratification. They want a series they love so much to end and stop providing them with entertainment so that they can go and sample other crappy series. I do not understand that. The thought is just bizarre. "20 episodes is more than enough to flesh out a story and characters." ^Well there's your problem, another generalization. Simply put: it's not. How effectively do you think 20 episodes could flesh out 50 characters? or 100? Or more than that? How effectively do you think 20 episodes could flesh out a story that takes place over the duration of a century? Every story is not the same, and saying that 20 episodes is enough is just ignorant. There are some stories that require all the time they take to be told, and there are some stories that are deplorable when told in only 13 episodes. We have different genres for a reason, and even different classifications for stories, from short stories to sagas and epics. |
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beavis2323 said: The shorter the anime the higher the chance that it sucks though. The ones that get large are the ones a lot of people like. Any crappy anime can get 13 episodes.because the longer it is the greater chances of it sucking |
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IntroverTurtle said: beavis2323 said: The shorter the anime the higher the chance that it sucks though. The ones that get large are the ones a lot of people like. Any crappy anime can get 13 episodes.because the longer it is the greater chances of it sucking This. There are way more shitty 12/13 episode anime than people like to admit. If an anime is that short there's a higher chance it'll be bad or average at best unless it has -really- good pacing. And like RRF said, some shows -need- to be longer. Something like One Piece couldn't be done in 50-100 episodes. Hell, same with Naruto and Hunter x Hunter. Even FMAB needed more than 60. #2Cents |
| It's a patience type of thing... People just don't have the time or patience to watch longer Anime. Usually with longer running Anime (Naruto, Bleach) there is a drop in quality, and increase in quantity to the point where they don't know how to end their own series... With longer running Anime things tend to get sloppy, where there are constant plot holes and random things happen that don't make since (Naruto), and that just adds fuel to the fire... Meh, at least that's what I think, and feel. It's painful seeing a good show drop in quality. =^~^= |
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GoldenGuard said: where there are constant plot holesand random things happen that don't make since (Naruto) Like? |
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tsudecimo said: GoldenGuard said: where there are constant plot holesand random things happen that don't make since (Naruto) Like? A lot of things involving the Tobi reveal |
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| I think it's cos most people equate lengthiness to overratedness. If there is more of smtg, it means there is a lot of demand for it. & I guess 'overrated' things tend to be the target of backlash by a lot of ppl. |
Xinception said: Fiction ninjas =/= non fiction ninjas.What do Ninjas do? Assassination, one on one battles, skirmishes... Not large scale wars like ... You know? |
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tsudecimo said: Nicobade said: Got any more? |
| In terms of mastery a 12 episode series takes the cake. Given enough time anything can be made to look good. There's no excuse not to other then the staff is full of hacks. Try doing that with only 12 episodes, now that's impressive. Still, there are many more long running favorites because they end up doing things properly; while there is just a sea of shitty adaptions that butcher their source material. The 12 episode series that do succeed are a testament to exquisite planning and quality directing. |
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Xinception said: So much dis and cusses for Naruto in this thread, dang. Granted that it has gone downhill for me since part 1. I don't know about people, but I am not going to try and find plot holes in Naruto. Even if there are, the fandom syndrome would kick in, and fanboys will overthink themselves to defend their series. The reason that I don't find Naruto that much satisfying or interesting to read anymore is because of how pandered it has been, how badly it has been executed and how strayed from the original plot elements that were presented/suggested to its readers when they first read it. What did you expect when you first started reading Naruto? Me personally, a story of an underdog rising, in a world of ninjas. What do Ninjas do? Assassination, one on one battles, skirmishes... Not large scale wars like ... You know? Ninjas are executed and presented in a direction that isn't so interesting to read anymore starting from the second half of Shippuden. Granted that Naruto still executed the idea of an underdog through out its run, I would argue that the execution is not well done in any case. The addition of large scale 1vs1 battles were epic at first, but as soon as you add a "God", a "Deus Ex Machina" into the equation... You get a crap ton of Talk No Jutsu, as apparently it's the only feasible solution to beating one of them "Gods". This is where many people praises Hunter X Hunter over most shonen, since Hiatus X Hiatus keeps its characters' power level in check, it also provides a solution and reminds you that even a god-like person, adapt at manipulating powers in HxH can still be killed. I'm not going to criticize the art of Kishimoto, since he draws well in JUMP's standards, unlike fucking "Titty" Kubo, that fucker is lazy. It's that in the recent chapters, with all the battles happening in a large scale battlefield, Kishimoto doesn't do a good job with shading, leaving me confused at some parts, whose attacks are who's, particularly in the Madara vs 1st Hokage fight. That said, I'm pretty sure this is ending soon, so might as well stick to my guns and finish the manga. I hear that Togashi's drawings are worse than Kubo's though. Also, Gon and Killua had a huge power increase in a very short period of time, so that says something for "power levels." |
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Nicobade said: Good job, those are some really interesting points. |
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randompadley said: One episode a day, or one episode a week, or one episode a month, etc. And you'd be able to complete it while spending 99% of your free time for anime, on others.i dont think hate is the right word, i actually find it frustrating that i don't have the time to give them a shot, i have gintama just sitting on my HDD but I kinda think what's the point it would take me months and that's without watching other shows! but watching hxh 2011 has given me motivation to give it a shot in the near future |
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IntroverTurtle said: randompadley said: One episode a day, or one episode a week, or one episode a month, etc. And you'd be able to complete it while spending 99% of your free time for anime, on others.i dont think hate is the right word, i actually find it frustrating that i don't have the time to give them a shot, i have gintama just sitting on my HDD but I kinda think what's the point it would take me months and that's without watching other shows! but watching hxh 2011 has given me motivation to give it a shot in the near future true i mean atm i am only watching an episode a day maybe two at the most of hxh and it feels like it has taken mean decades to finish xD but that's just due to other commitments so not really complaining its just a shame because longer series are much more inferior but i don't feel like i enjoy them to their full potential with me only being able to watch an episode a day! |
bloodgods said: People are concerned about the "time commitment" when there's a ton of episodes because they're WEAK Maybe. Or maybe instead, they would prefer to more efficiently use the same amount of time by watching watching 12-48 whole shows in the span of time it would take to watch just one long show. |
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