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Tomoki_Sakurai said: TheBrainintheJar said: Being weird is great. People are often weird. Anime fans will seem normal if you'll only hang around them. The friends I have are anime viewers and we agree that some anime is just bizarre. I don't even consider myself normal and anime gets really strange and weird very fast. If people view fans of anime in a negative way I think it's dumb to ask why. It's pretty obvious. What's wrong with its weirdness? A person who is disturbed by this weirdness just sounds like he's boring and narrow-minded. |
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| People look down on anime cuz most anime fans are weeaboos and normal people find weeaboos to be weird. I never had a hard time explaining to someone why anime isn't just for kids, or some perverted cartoons made by china or something stupid. I've met people who look down on all animation and they can't be helped. |
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| Anime is an easy target and people like to target easy targets like the sheep they are. |
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Ulquiorra1923 said: Because they think its only for kids,but who cares what others think,i love anime and i will never stop watching just because someone thinks that. |
2weeaboo4u said: Cartoons are a certain type of animation, they are not synonymous with animation  Yeah they are synonymous with live action. |
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Anime has always had a sexual side to it, even outside of ecchi anime, and most people can't deal with it because they think it's abnormal to have any sexual or romantic feelings towards fictional characters,. That's because it is and they are not real lmao The anime community is like "HURR MY JAPANESE CARTOONS ARE ACTUALLY REAL DEEP AND THOUGHTFUL UNLIKE THE AMERICAN CARTOONS AND IT EVEN HAS MATURE THEMES", and if there's anything that can turn them away from anime, it's that. "2weeaboo4u" is such an appropriate name, I wonder if you are a genuine user. In fact, I hear all the time how japan views anime(and adult-viewers) in an even more negative light than here in america(though manga seems fine), which genuinely doesn't even seem to care too much about that. They even air anime on adult swim from time to time. Blue Sophie is my waifu, but I really hope you aren't genuine about wondering what's wrong oversexulization in anime, especially when the characters look middle-school. And if you genuinely, honestly, have an obsession(actual romantic feelings) over an animated female characters, I say this with NO disrespect or offense intended but you honestly might need to get some help. Edit: I'm serious, I've seen people who go beyond any reasonable limit about this, and you should be really careful that your obsession with anime characters don't extend beyond just that. If you aren't harming nobody there's no problem, but really think about this. |
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2weeaboo4u said: ashfrliebert said: That's because it is and they are not real lmao People fall in love with celebrities all the time even though they are functionally no different from fictional characters. In a sense they're worse since you can't know for sure what they're actually like. Their personality could be a fiction presented to the public. At least with anime characters there's no pretense. And nobody thinks anime characters are real; even the most harcdcore hugpillow-carrying otaku is fully aware that they aren't real. It's in fact Westerners who aren't quite sure what's real and what's not, as they keep making inane objections like "But she's only 17!" Did you say animated characters and celebrities are the same? Well, you know what, if you want to love animated characters, I guess that's your choice, I won't judge you. But celebrities, while you may or may not know anything about them, or you may never meet them ever, are real, actual people. I'm not going to judge you for falling in love with a animated character, I will only make fun of you for taking cartoons this serious. But, if you want me to be completely honest, this is one of the reasons people look down on anime, being in love and obsessing over someone that you can never possibly meet in your life, even celebrities, is not a common thing. And, to be honest with you, it can be unhealthy. Just think about it, I hope it doesn't effect your actual life negatively and wish you the best on that front. . It's in fact Westerners who aren't quite sure what's real and what's not, as they keep making inane objections like "But she's only 17!" What the hell? Many anime are deep, thoughtful and mature, and their production values and filmmaking are vastly superior to American animation as well. That's simply how things are. But the thing is, while it's true, maybe cartoons can even effect your life, they are STILL animated cartoons. Sure, they are mostly different, but they are also one in the same. Anime can be awful and it can be good, and western cartoons are ptty much the exact same, and they can target older audience(not to say that's makes it inherently good) and focus on mature and thoughtful themes. Face it, they are the same thing at their core, despite not being mutually exclusive. Amation is a varying art form, with it's positives and negatives, and at this point, varying demographics, that's just the way it is. Anime being mature or having mature themes or whatever doesn't stop it from being a cartoon, it having completely different stylization and pretty much everything else is. How old are you? You don't have to justify watching cartoons. Now what did I just say about Westerners not being quite sure what's real and what's not? Why exactly do you think it has any meaning that a character is in middle school? Do you think she's a real person? Nope, but obsessing over a fictional middle school character is absolutely not a positive thing no matter how you twist it. At least in most case scenario, it might turn out good or positively effect your life in some way, but I kinda wonder why you are obsessing over or even falling in love with a fictional character. All things considered, it's certainty unusual. If your trying to say that "lolis are okay to obsess over because they aren't real", you're screwed up. But hey, as long as it doesn't go beyond that it doesn't effect anyone, I don't care. But the answer to this thread is, with no offense intended, people like this. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Comic_Sans said: The manchildren Nothing screams 'manchild' like rejecting 'childish things' because they're 'for kids'. It's funny, this post supports my position alot actually. I agree. But to extend on to it, it's the intention that western animation is actually any different that I disagree with. The same people who try to convince me japanese cartoons aren't only for children(which I agree with, to er..an extent) are telling me american cartoons are. I expect anime fans to understand my point the most, but nope. |
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| Well cartoons/animation is looked down upon by older audiences cause of how most of them come off as educational or childish in nature. Only non animated shows I watch are sitcoms and America's Got Talent. Only reason I hide that I love anime cause my family just does not know to let things drop and would bug/tease me about it constantly then tell me to watch something else especially my Uncle who I want to punch half the time he talks to me. I don't care if strangers find out though tbh. |
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2weeaboo4u said: That makes no fucking sense.DrGeroCreation said: Yeah they are synonymous with live action. A cartoon is an animation, but that doesn't mean an animation is a cartoon. Cartoons are a type of animation, they are not animation itself. |
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| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
| does this mean that the Japanimation fanbase will build their own Pride-rights activism group like the LGBTs? |
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| This is unrelatable. The school I use to attend was full of anime fans. I wouldn't say fans but it was a seldom discussion topic. They often watched seasonal shounens. This is in Australia btw. |
| It's because the majority of anime is trash, it's completely natural that people would look down on such a medium that's almost solely compromised of titles for manchildren to either masturbate to or something any edgy teenager with free time could think of. Or to put it more simply, which one do you see more often in anime? Easy cash grabs that pander to losers who still live with their parents or... Objectively well written series? [spoiler]  [spoiler]I rest my case. |
sadpwner said: This is unrelatable. The school I use to attend was full of anime fans. I wouldn't say fans but it was a seldom discussion topic. They often watched seasonal shounens. This is in Australia btw. Well, Australia does have a sizeable anime fanbase here, mate. Have you been to Supernova or Oz Comic-Con? And there's the large anime sections in JB Hifi as well. On-topic, I don't think it's so much people looking down on anime, it's more people looking down on those who watch anime. I mean, sure, some of us are pretty normal (although I do like my share of breasty devil chicks) but have you seen some of our "fellow anime fans?" |
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| Well it's not as bad as it was back in the 80s and 90s its alot more accepted now, but yes the stereotypes still existed. |
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Hathyle said: Well it's not as bad as it was back in the 80s and 90s its alot more accepted now, but yes the stereotypes still existed. Mostly because of Tsutomu Miyazaki, the Otaku Murderer |
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ashfrliebert said: Bloody nice rant, mate, but you must try harder. For example, let's switch "anime character" with "Jesus". Whoops. Bloody inappropriate, mate! Being obsessed with some guy who's historical existence is at best questionable is a bloody different thing than being obsessed with some drawings!! Sure, mate, of course.Did you say animated characters and celebrities are the same? [...] But hey, as long as it doesn't go beyond that it doesn't effect anyone, I don't care. But the answer to this thread is, with no offense intended, people like this. Also some people tends to consciously substitute concept "I love him/her as a character" with "I love him/her as a person". Bloody cheap tactics, mate. 0n-topic: as always, the problem really not in the medium, but in people. Anime fans en masse, especially hardcore ones, tends to disregard other mediums. Books also. Especially "old" and/or "boring" books, like historical and/or classical hard Sci-Fi. In short, they usually not the brighter ones, so to say. Not to mention that hardcore anime fans rarely fully engaged in normal social interaction, so they usually lack social skills on some degree. So when they starting to spewing bloody crap like "genius plot", "realistic characters", "deep ideas", etc., etc. about some mediocre animated show like Legend of Gaylactic Heroes, intelligent people can't help but think something along the lines "What the Hell? Really? What was the last book you read? Do you ever read?" This, and also because some people tends to consciously substitute concept "I love it, because it deeply impressed me" with "I love it, so it's is the best thing ever". |
kitsune0Sep 28, 2015 2:23 AM
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
| @2weeaboo4u Nice cherry picking Cartoon Anime 2weeaboo4u said: So a show like Big Bang Theory isn't live action because it's completely different to Breaking Bad? A live action show has to be super serious to qualify as live action? Cartoons are animated thus they are animation. Any animated work can be considered a cartoon.How does it not make sense? It's the same thing as: a motorcycle is a motor vehicle, but that doesn't mean a motor vehicle is a motorcycle. A motor vehicle could be a car or bus instead, it's not necessarily a motorcycle. Likewise, an animated work isn't necessarily a cartoon. |
DrGeroCreationSep 28, 2015 5:14 AM
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DrGeroCreation said: Nice cherry picking Cartoon These are just animation, not cartoons. Anime These aren't cartoons either. So a show like Big Bang Theory isn't live action because it's completely different to Breaking Bad? A live action show has to be super serious to qualify as live action? Cartoons are animated thus they are animation. Any animated work can be considered a cartoon. Cartoons are animation. That does not mean any animation is a cartoon. It would be like saying that because BBT is a comedy, BB must be a comedy too. I used serious anime as examples (except for Yuri Seijin) because they illustrate the difference most clearly, and because then people can't say they must be cartoons because they aren't serious enough. But something isn't a cartoon just because it isn't serious. Today's American animated comedies aren't cartoons either, even if they are descended from them. |
2weeaboo4u said: So what differentiates a cartoon from an animation?DrGeroCreation said: Nice cherry picking Cartoon These are just animation, not cartoons. Anime These aren't cartoons either. So a show like Big Bang Theory isn't live action because it's completely different to Breaking Bad? A live action show has to be super serious to qualify as live action? Cartoons are animated thus they are animation. Any animated work can be considered a cartoon. Cartoons are animation. That does not mean any animation is a cartoon. It would be like saying that because BBT is a comedy, BB must be a comedy too. I used serious anime as examples (except for Yuri Seijin) because they illustrate the difference most clearly, and because then people can't say they must be cartoons because they aren't serious enough. But something isn't a cartoon just because it isn't serious. Today's American animated comedies aren't cartoons either, even if they are descended from them. |
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| dunno if Gero is arguing with a troll or 2weeb4u is serious as he gets |
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Remv_quevav said: I'm wondering that myself.dunno if Gero is arguing with a troll or 2weeb4u is serious as he gets |
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ashfrliebert said: TheBrainintheJar said: Nothing screams 'manchild' like rejecting 'childish things' because they're 'for kids'. It's funny, this post supports my position alot actually. I agree. But to extend on to it, it's the intention that western animation is actually any different that I disagree with. The same people who try to convince me japanese cartoons aren't only for children(which I agree with, to er..an extent) are telling me american cartoons are. I expect anime fans to understand my point the most, but nope. I really don't get how people assume all Western animation is only for kids. A huge chunk of it is child-friendly, but it doesn't make it childish. I was pretty sure Pixar proved it over and over and over and over. There's a difference in how Western animation and anime work. Western animation is more episodic, with more emphasis on caricature-like art style. It doesn't make it 'immature'. In fact, most for-kids Western cartoons have more subtle and clever humor than 'mature' Western cartoons. South Park and Family guy is trash. You can appreciate both Western animation and anime (which is a shorter term for Japanese Animation, get over it already). Even if anime attempts psychological stuff like Digimon Tamers more often, it doesn't make the characters of SpongeBob less vivid, or Courage the Cowardly Dog less surreal. RE: Why do people fall in love with cartoon characters? People have drawn beautiful people from the beginning of time. Pretty anime characters are just an extension of that. |
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kitsune0 said: ashfrliebert said: Bloody nice rant, mate, but you must try harder. For example, let's switch "anime character" with "Jesus". Whoops. Bloody inappropriate, mate! Being obsessed with some guy who's historical existence is at best questionable is a bloody different thing than being obsessed with some drawings!! Sure, mate, of course.Did you say animated characters and celebrities are the same? [...] But hey, as long as it doesn't go beyond that it doesn't effect anyone, I don't care. But the answer to this thread is, with no offense intended, people like this. Also some people tends to consciously substitute concept "I love him/her as a character" with "I love him/her as a person". Bloody cheap tactics, mate. 0n-topic: as always, the problem really not in the medium, but in people. Anime fans en masse, especially hardcore ones, tends to disregard other mediums. Books also. Especially "old" and/or "boring" books, like historical and/or classical hard Sci-Fi. In short, they usually not the brighter ones, so to say. Not to mention that hardcore anime fans rarely fully engaged in normal social interaction, so they usually lack social skills on some degree. So when they starting to spewing bloody crap like "genius plot", "realistic characters", "deep ideas", etc., etc. about some mediocre animated show like Legend of Gaylactic Heroes, intelligent people can't help but think something along the lines "What the Hell? Really? What was the last book you read? Do you ever read?" This, and also because some people tends to consciously substitute concept "I love it, because it deeply impressed me" with "I love it, so it's is the best thing ever". your posts are BLOODY annoying to read |
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2weeaboo4u said: DrGeroCreation said: So what differentiates a cartoon from an animation? Cartoons are short and simple comedic films that revolve around exaggerated and impossible physical comedy, dancing, music and singing, and anthromorphic animal characters. There's little dialogue. Movements and expressions are exaggerated. The music accompanies the action very precisely, and has a very particular style to it. The camera is usually laterally tracking the characters, who move as if they were on a stage. Cartoons have a specific style and aesthetic to them that sets them apart from other animation. American animation has always been informed by cartoons, and even Disney's 2D movies had a lot in common with them (camera work, musicals, exaggerated character acting). Anime, in contrast, is cinematic. Its filmmaking and storytelling logic is based on live action cinema. Cartoons are not based on cinematic logic. And before you or anyone starts picking apart what I said one item at a time and pointing out where they can be found in anime, don't bother. Cartoons aren't cartoons because of any one thing in isolation, and the presence of that thing somewhere else doesn't mean it's a cartoon too. Remv_quevav said: dunno if Gero is arguing with a troll or 2weeb4u is serious as he gets Why would I be a troll? There is so much wrong in this, it's not even funny. Because most people refuse to believe someone could be this stupid. |
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Imaishi said: That's part of my charm, mate.your posts are BLOODY annoying to read 2weeaboo4u said: How about DC Comics Animated Universe? Especially Teen Titans & Batman Beyond? Not to mention Gotham Knight. How about Marvel animated series & movies? Especially X-Men: Evolution? Not to mention the bloody Marvel Anime. Comics-based animated shows are a huge & immensely popular part of Western animation that been there for decades. X-Men was so popular that even Japan imported it and not just translated, but even made new, original opening & eyecatches.Then feel free to explain all the things wrong with it. This whole conversation reminds me of ten years ago disputes, where I heard exactly same things (oversimplified plots, lazy animation, etc., etc.) about anime from comics fans. I guess this is a backfire. |
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2weeaboo4u said: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cartoonDrGeroCreation said: So what differentiates a cartoon from an animation? Cartoons are short and simple comedic films that revolve around exaggerated and impossible physical comedy, dancing, music and singing, and anthromorphic animal characters. There's little dialogue. Movements and expressions are exaggerated. The music accompanies the action very precisely, and has a very particular style to it. The camera is usually laterally tracking the characters, who move as if they were on a stage. Cartoons have a specific style and aesthetic to them that sets them apart from other animation. American animation has always been informed by cartoons, and even Disney's 2D movies had a lot in common with them (camera work, musicals, exaggerated character acting). "a film or television show made by photographing a series of drawings : an animated film or television show " What you are referring to is a genre of cartoons that were never given any specific genre classification name like adult animated sitcom or super hero. This genre of cartoons were the first animated cartoons and since they were never given any specific classification they are just referred to as cartoons. CARTOON ISN'T A GENRE. You are right that this specific genre of cartoons has had influence on other genres of American cartoons. Regular Show and Rocko's Modern Life have heavy use of anthropomorphism and surrealism like typical theatrical animated shorts of the Golden age (Hollywood age), Courage the Cowardly Dog has heavy use of anthropomorphism, exaggerated facial expressions, slap stick humor and classical music as background music like those cartoons, Family Guy has slap stick humor and caricatures celebrities like typical Merrie Melodies animated theatrical shorts. Anime was also influenced by them considering the god father of anime Osamu Tezuka was a western cartoon fan. You can clearly see the influence in anime like Doraemon, Dragon Ball, One Piece etc. 2weeaboo4u said: A lot of anime are nothing like that.Anime, in contrast, is cinematic. Its filmmaking and storytelling logic is based on live action cinema. |
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kitsune0 said: Bloody nice rant, mate, but you must try harder. Meanwhile, Australia is down there like, "wtf, mates?" For example, let's switch "anime character" with "Jesus". Whoops. Bloody inappropriate, mate! Being obsessed with some guy who's historical existence is at best questionable is a bloody different thing than being obsessed with some drawings!! Sure, mate, of course. Sure is, er, I'm going to play devil's advocate(edit: not devil advocate, I'm going to play "let's literally lie to get my point across" that's better, since religion does in fact exist) and assume the belief around the entire world is that Jesus does not exist and is entirely fictional, than yes it'd be very weird! I don't think that's debatable with anime characters. Unless they truly love characters that they should know with complete confidence was completely made up! If the debate is whether or not animated characters exist, than I suppose you are using uber-stupidity to get your point across. Also some people tends to consciously substitute concept "I love him/her as a character" with "I love him/her as a person". Bloody cheap tactics, mate. That's exactly what I am assuming, obsession over a character is still weird if it goes to far, and there are entire websites and forums dedicated to people who feel with complete seriousness that they love a fictional character and they even show extreme upset that that'll never meet them. And that's not okay. And that's a little weird. There's a huge difference, but what you don't understand is that the ladder HAPPENS. I'd even argue an unhealthy "usual" like, as in "I like this character", can be unhealthy if it still goes too far and can still affect their life. But that's not what I'm talking about. Are most anime fans like this? Probably not, but this is what people see, because it happens. And, needless to say, that can be a really big turn off. 2weeaboo4u said: None of those are cartoons, so why are you bringing them up? "Teens Titans", "Batman Beyond" "Batman: The Animated Series", all cartoons. What are you talking about? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animated_cartoon |
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2weeaboo4u said: kitsune0 said: ~snip~ None of those are cartoons, so why are you bringing them up? I understand what you're trying to say, but every definition I've looked up about animated cartoons is probably your definition of animation. You're saying that cartoons is one type of animation, and then anime is a different type of animation. However, the definition of an animated cartoon: a motion picture consisting of a sequence of drawings, each so slightly different that when filmed and run through a projector the figures seem to move. includes anime in its definition. Therefore, every animation is a cartoon. At least, that is how it is for the English language. Definition of animation: the techniques used in the production of animated cartoons a variant of animated cartoon Definition of variant: a different spelling, pronunciation, or form of the same word: “Vehemency” is a variant of “vehemence.”. In the English language, animation is the same as an animated cartoon. An animated cartoon is not a genre of animation. @OT: I think it's looked down upon because many people just assume all anime is just hentai or just stupid in general. I tried starting an anime club and when I was advertising, everyone asked if we were gonna watch hentai or a dumb kids show. |
2weeaboo4u said: ashfrliebert said: "Teens Titans", "Batman Beyond" "Batman: The Animated Series", all cartoons. What are you talking about? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animated_cartoon Well if you want to consider them equivalent to this then be my guest. I'll be your guest. Yes, it's equivalent, it was 86 years ago, so cartoons today are obviously difference-and anime isn't the same as american animation, but it's still animation..and still animated cartoons. Let me backtrack though, I did mention anime being different culturally in japan than in america, but honestly, if that was true anime wouldn't be such a huge phenomenon. But the fact that you all find it so hard to comprehended anime and american animation both, despite being different, have similarities as well as differences and are both animation, plus and minues too, is probably good enough reason that anime probably isn't really looked down upon in America that much, much less Japan. I said it before and I'll say it again, animation is a varying art-form, you are watching Japanese(and therefore different) animation cartoons, but it's 2015 you don't have to justify it. People don't like things, get over it. |
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