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Dec 22, 2013 12:52 PM

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Really liked it. I don't know why it's getting so much hate. People bitching about it not being a perfect adaption for the game and shit, who cares. I enjoyed the last 6 episodes a lot even though I didn't particularly like watching this when it was airing but I decided to pick it up from my on hold on a whim and I'm glad I didn't completely drop it.

8/10


I hope they adapt the next game. This character is hot as hell. I love her character design
Dec 23, 2013 7:54 AM

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This anime had me pumped up in the beginning but it became quite shit later. A waste of time.
4/10
Jan 10, 2014 11:12 AM

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Well, I enjoyed seeing Junko and her acts in this episode. And damnnn dat chest. This was a pretty good anime overall seeing as I've never played the game and can't complain about it as an adaptation.

I would've loved to see some past memories of them having fun before this whole ordeal began though.
Jan 14, 2014 7:42 PM

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i3i said:
I still don't get why Junko made them kill each other. "Despair" is an unconvincing motive so I'll say out of boredom. But I couldn't care less anyway since all the characters have stereotypical anime personalities that it was nice watching them die one by one.


some men&women want to watch the world burn. thats all.


though, there are speculation why especially junko has fallen into despair.
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Jan 14, 2014 7:50 PM

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Miniclawz said:
Holy SHIT this episode turned into shit with the oh YEAH Hope! I want to live OH the DRAMA WOOT
Fail episode in my opinion


it is because ingame he was shooting hope bulltes to others

a playthrough by one dude commenting them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGFMc-b0_H8&list=PL5bkYBlFL9xd3xEzhbmWzj9E8_kDKrTfr

starting at 0:46:00
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Jan 18, 2014 6:12 AM
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Urek said:
i3i said:
I still don't get why Junko made them kill each other. "Despair" is an unconvincing motive so I'll say out of boredom. But I couldn't care less anyway since all the characters have stereotypical anime personalities that it was nice watching them die one by one.


some men&women want to watch the world burn. thats all.


though, there are speculation why especially junko has fallen into despair.


No need to speculate on that part as Junko had never fallen into despair because she's been in despair from her very birth
Jan 26, 2014 7:41 PM

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- This adaptation was shit

- The Game is 100x times better

- I hate Seiji Kishi

- Fuck you to anyone that liked this shitty adaptation, and are excited for a SDR2 Anime

- 2/10

I'm out.
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Jan 31, 2014 8:00 PM
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the end of the episode...
Minomi (the pink bunny thing) says "i can't wait to meet you all very soon"

SECONNDDD SEASSONNN TO GO WITH THE SECOND GAMEEEEEE
AWWHHH YEAHHH
Feb 13, 2014 9:27 AM
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Not sure how I feel about this series in the end.
I love the concept and whole tone of the series but the execution felt very rush even for someone who hasn't played the original game (me). It was obvious there was suppose to be more done and I should have been caring a lot more for certain character's death but it was hard when everything is wrapped up in nearly 5 minutes (or at least felt that way).

*someone dies*
"OMG someone died"
"Class Trial starts"
"Everyone: let's put all the clues together and carefully analyze them to get to the bottom of this"
Kirigiri/Naegi: No need since we know nearly everything about the murder cases anyways.
*case is solve*
*execution*
"Next victim(s)".

Despite all that, I didn't feel this was a complete waste of time, as someone with some mild interest in the series as a whole this felt like a brief recap of everything's the game's about. As a full fledged, standalone anime it failed but as a "recap" it succeed which is bad for those fans of the game I guess as this adaptation is a bad rep of the game to newcomers. It did get somewhat interested to try the game game but not completely (sorry), the appeal of the mystery is gone. I would only be playing it for more detailed character development.

The last episode was the best, ignoring the constant stream "HOPEHOPEHOPE", only because I was starting to get tired of Kirigiri/Naegi info asspulls (I know they really wasn't but how it's portrayed in the anime it felt like it) and it was nice to finally know what in the hell is going with the whole school and world as a huge that set up this series in the first place. Junko herself salvaged the series and the final episode though her main motivation in the end was pretty disappointing

So for me it's about 6-7/10.
Apr 6, 2014 8:06 AM
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So many things that don't make sense to me...

What happened to the world? What's that super nasty disaster that occured? Is it even real?
What was the point of this despair plan thingy of Junko? Why was she playing reaity show if the world was destroyed?
Who was the show broadcast to if the world was destroyed? Why? Who would want to watch it in such a world?
Whats with the super high school titles? Is this Power Rangers?
So kuma is an actual being?
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Apr 7, 2014 6:44 AM

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Disappointing ending to be fair, although I do hope that Kirigiri and Naegi ended up together or something :p
Apr 15, 2014 9:25 PM

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It was nice show overall, but it was a little bit confusing at some points.
I think I will be playing the game soon as I was left with more questions than answers.

Unfortunately the "whodunnit" process was quite stupid for an average "mystery" novel, and Junko's reasons to set up the whole thing were just plain dumb. Or at least how those reasons were presented.

Anyway, it was interesting and quite entertaining. I'm looking forward to playing the game(s) for sure... If I'm ever watching a 2nd season it will be only because of Kirigiri.

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Apr 21, 2014 8:54 PM
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This is getting ALOT of hate isn't it.
Apr 21, 2014 8:57 PM

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I actually liked this series. A lot. Must be because I haven't played the video game. Either way it was really interesting to watch. Wondering who was the culprit and stuff. It's a 9/10 for me.
Apr 29, 2014 6:18 AM
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After seeing this episode I don't know if being stuck in the school with junko would be so bad. If you catch my drift ^-^

I wasn't one to play the game before watching this so I don't have the same complaints as everyone else. Although there were things I disagreed with I think it turned out to be a pretty solid anime. I'm really happy I decided to marathon this series because it was worth it. A hint for season two at the end makes me even happier!
May 27, 2014 11:51 AM

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copied this from myself somewhere else

seriously tons of guys nitpicking on details.

just play the game. or watch the lets play from someone else. or read it.
seriously, the anime skipped tons of investigation points and character interactions. i am really serious.

for those who enjoyed the anime, just play the game or watch a lets play (i personally enjoy it from the youtuber NicoB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMQA_2Eom0&list=PL5bkYBlFL9xd3xEzhbmWzj9E8_kDKrTfr
or just read it http://lparchive.org/Dangan-Ronpa/
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May 31, 2014 1:41 PM

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Even though I'm seeing a lot of hate, I loved it.
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The ending. What the actual fuck.

Okay. So i was reading the reviews for Danganronpa as I was going along the series. I didn't hate it. On the contrary, I liked it. I enjoyed the art style, even though it was a little different. I myself like fast paced series, so the pacing for this anime didn't bother me at all. But I had questions, and I expected some of them to get answered in the last episode. Did it?

Nope.

In fact, it was confusing and it introduced 2 new concepts to the show: amnesia and how the real world is falling apart. What?

I would have given this anime a higher rating than a 5. But the ending was mediocre to lazy at best. So 5.
Jun 8, 2014 4:28 AM

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boobies /10

The whole appeal to detective genre anime is to let viewers try to solve the case along with the characters. This anime is doing it wrong by introducing all new shit during the trial and made it impossible for viewers to figure out anything.

boobies are good

I'm sure if I played the game, I'd hate the anime as well.

it was quite entertaining, even though I don't really give two fucks about the plot

7.5/10

it'll prob be 5/10 if i played the game
Jun 12, 2014 3:29 AM

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Mehhhhhh it's was interesting but too hard to comprehend

The ending was stupid and I don't really get what happen to the world

6/10

Hope there is no s2
Jun 16, 2014 4:02 AM

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Junko had also multiple personalities. I couldn't even skip her dialogue in each of her personality when I played the game version of Danganronpa. So yeah, she killed the headmaster, then stole the students' memories, and began to spread desperation.
Congrats to the six survivors, namely: Naegi, Kirigiri, Togami, Asahina, Genocider/Fukawa, and Hagakure.
But in the end, Monokuma is still activating.
I suggest the staffs should adapt the sequel of the game.
I felt like the show was kinda rushed, but overall it's awesome. :))
Jun 22, 2014 4:42 PM

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I watched this jaw-dropping anime to be happy at the end...but the fact that they did not show us what happened on the outside world got in my nerves..! :/
I was looking forward to find if Junko was lying or not....and is it Junko the actual mastermind? cuz I find too many holes to fill in the final episode..I'd say this anime has a rather interesting but kind of annoying ending...I'm looking forward to watch the second season asap :)

I'd give it a 6.5/10
Jul 7, 2014 9:49 AM
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I couldn't care less about the outside world and, as we could notice, neither did the "anime creators". It is simple: the outside world doesn't matter at all to what they wanted to show. It didn't matter if Junko was telling the truth or not. I think we should learn that We Don't Need To Close Every Little Door, we don't need to know every little detail because most of the times they don't matter at all. Imagine that they would show the outside world, what would it change? Basically nothing: we would just get to know if Junko was lying or not (but we kinda already knew she was telling the truth because Genocider backed up her story): the Hope (which is the main thing the anime wants to show) would stil exist, and nothing would change when it comes to that matter.
Anyway, as for the last episode I think it kept up with the rest of the episodes. Expected, but good ending. I would like a second season (the second game already exists so...)
Jul 13, 2014 5:27 AM

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Junko died but monokuma lives. Was she really capable of wiping the students' memories? There has to be a higher entity backing her up I really don't think stuff happened all because of despair. It's like "motive? What motive? It's despair! Don't ask and just accept it's despair." *scratches head*

6/10
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness."

"May those who defy their fate be granted glory."
Jul 18, 2014 8:33 AM

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makawako said:
I watched this jaw-dropping anime to be happy at the end...but the fact that they did not show us what happened on the outside world got in my nerves..! :/


They could of showed a normal outside world, which would mean everything Junko said was a lie. That would've been an interesting turn to contrast all they just went through, however for most it'd be an unsatisfying ending. The more likely alternative is showing the world in the condition Junko claimed it was. This however would turn it from an open ending to a cliff-hanger ending. And there is nothing worse than a cliff-hanger ending for a show with no second season.

I'd say this way of keeping a somewhat open ending is far superior to the alternatives.
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Aug 4, 2014 9:08 AM

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Ah boy, this is abit cliche, I wanted to see how the world was actually like outside. I'd probably give this 6/10. The ending wasn't that pleasing anyway. It was fine.
Aug 14, 2014 12:19 PM

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I didn't like it very much the way the ending was developed... kinda disappointing, but still enjoyable
In every score, there's a feeling...
Aug 19, 2014 5:52 PM

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U are Wright Draft the finale was a bit disappointing. I was expecting them to show woh the world ended up whit all that masque men (seems like V of Vendetta)
I hope they make an OVA or something like that
Aug 25, 2014 3:30 PM

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just watched it all in one sitting and i gotta say i was kinda pissed to not see the outside world, oh yeah and junko is so fucken hot
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Aug 27, 2014 12:37 AM

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I enjoyed the show. I didn't play the game so I can't compare. I'm sure some of you who didn't like it played the game. Since I saw the anime is it still worth playing the game? I'm still up for it.

Damn it! I really wanted to see outside! Does anybosy know what's outside? I reall want to know! WHAT WAS OUTSIDE!? Also was Junko just insane? During the this episode Junko showed a lot of different personalities. She just insane isn't she? She just wanted to despair so she got her freinds to kill each other so she can suffer right? That's what I read a previous comment but I'm not sure if it's right.
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I was actually super shocked that it wasn't one of those stories where everyone dies, or that one person get betrayed (Neigi), and the villain is so happy. I was glad though, the events were dark enough as they were.
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great ending looking forward to dangan ronpa 2 anime. If there is ever one...
Sep 21, 2014 7:45 AM
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Yes, it was rushed. But it remained faithful to the game to the very end, which is something a lot of other adaptations can't boast.

If they had changed the story to suit the 1-cour length: "OMG THEY WEREN'T FAITHFUL THIS ANIME SUX!!!11"

The only way they could've added more time would be to cut the OP/EDs, but even then they bled into the ED multiple times.
Oct 7, 2014 8:21 AM

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Gippy said:
Yes, it was rushed. But it remained faithful to the game to the very end, which is something a lot of other adaptations can't boast.

If they had changed the story to suit the 1-cour length: "OMG THEY WEREN'T FAITHFUL THIS ANIME SUX!!!11"

The only way they could've added more time would be to cut the OP/EDs, but even then they bled into the ED multiple times.

1. This anime wasn't faithful to the games at all.
2. If they only had enough money for one cour, then maybe they should've broken this anime up into seasons, and use the sales of the the first season to make the second season.
3. There are many adaptations that are faithful to their source material. This anime is not one of those adaptations.

Oct 7, 2014 8:22 AM

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I honestly hope to god a dr2 anime never happens, while this adaptations redeemed alot of itself in the last 3 chapters it still was far from a perfect adaptation and in terms of chap 2 and 3 thye were about as horribly adapted as you could get without just going anime only

But what makes me wish for no dr2 anime is that its such a complex game that putting it into a weekly format will not work. It relies too much on things happening in a single go especially trials, but the trials are significantly longer than the first games and the entire game is as well. Basically a dr2 anime being good borders on near impossible

This.

Oct 7, 2014 8:25 AM

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Zel_Ezl said:
WTF? O.O I'm more confused now.. because of what Monobear said in the ending. Does this mean that he's the father of Kirigiri and he's the real mastermind? or he was just confusing us watchers.. omg . help me .. esp. to those who have played the game..
and i wonder who's that another bear.. so there will be a sequel?

What Monokuma means is that he he's in charge of Hope's Peak Academy now.

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Gippy said:
I'm tired of all the people saying that this adaptation was horrible and rushed. The director made a conscious effort to use as much time as possible. It's rare that the OP is skipped for over half the series, but we got exactly that. The only weak episode of the series was episode 5, where they dragged on Mondo's post-verdict explanation for too long. Everything else was fine.

Yes, some things were omitted, but that happens in every single anime adaptation. It's just that this anime had the "unforunate" situation where the game translation was released before the anime. Other shows like Clannad, Fate/Stay Night, ef, and Shuffle had their game translation projects completed after the anime release. Those shows have even more omitted but didn't get anywhere close to the butthurt whining I saw for this show.

I liked how the anime was very, very faithful to the game. However, I would've liked to see an ending that was unique to the anime instead of just copying the game ending. This is really my only true gripe. I liked Gantz and Negima because they had the guts to make a new ending. ef - a tale of memories also had an alternate ending, and so did Shuffle and Mashiro-Iro Symphony. I even liked the love-or-hate School Days just because its ending was unique as well.

Solid 6/10. It adapted the game well, but I think it played a little too safe. A well-executed alternate ending could've made this a classic. (I use the entire 10 point scale; 6 is above average)

1. This wasn't faithful at all.
2. This adaptation omitted several very important things from the game. That alone makes this adaptation awful.

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5layer said:
Story would've been top-notch if Junko actually had a motive for what she did. But as it stands, she just did what she did for no reason at all.

Still, the story and mystery was really good but didn't get the adaptation it deserved. Oh well.

Um, she did have a motive for what she did.

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Saburo-kun said:
um, so. ., Kirigiri's father is an evil bear? Well, I guess it's not the first I've heard of something like this- http://tinyurl.com/latcsz2
Naegi never runs out of that ammunition, I must say. . .
lol, all those personalities.
I'll never look at the words "hope" and "despair" the same again, though it'll be kind of cool if I think of this series.

Pretty good series, I hope for a season two, *shoots hope bullet*, though I haven't played the game so I don't know how much farther it really goes.
Anyway, cool stuff, I didn't expect Hagakure and Asahina to survive. Well, actually, I thought it would just be one survivor with this elimination way of doing things, up until the last trial. Too bad for Ludenberg. . .

Um..... You do realize that Monokuma isn't Kirigiri's dad, right?

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I'm thrilled that they might adapt the sequel as well but more importantly...
http://i.imgur.com/5MWPcYr.jpg

WHEN,WHERE OR HOW DID DAT ASS HAPPEN !!!!!!!??????

This is what popped up in my mind when I saw that. Too bad it's only in the game huh.

One word for this episode, LAME. We didn't even get to see how will they live after they get out, we didn't even get any information about the outside world and etc.. Why or how or when or whatever did the catastrophe happened. Nothing is fucking explained.. 2/10, lame characters (with some exception like Togami), interesting concept, poor written mystery, poor execution, still animation (copy and paste from the game?), and.. especially the super duper high school hope MC dude, some speech and they regained their composure and hope? What's that? Talk no jutsu? Oh well.

Actually, the things that your wondering about are explained in DR2.

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mayukachan said:
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Story would've been top-notch if Junko actually had a motive for what she did. But as it stands, she just did what she did for no reason at all.

Agreed. I felt like she was just all talk, and no motive. "HAHA I'm such a sadist and masochist! Despair FTW!!"

She had a motive.

She wanted the people that survived the Tragedy to feel despair.

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Czechbiohazard said:
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Agreed. I felt like she was just all talk, and no motive. "HAHA I'm such a sadist and masochist! Despair FTW!!"


Honestly, I enjoyed watching this anime until then end where the explanation of the game was utter shit. At first glance, I thought it would turn out to be some type of Virtual Reality game that they were in, because of the pink blood, enclosed place cut off from the rest of the world, the food that magically refills itself, the Monobear that magically appears, also the blackmail showing their family and friends showing up dead if they didn't finish the game, and a bunch of other shit.

The explanation of everything in the last episode kinda ticked me off and turned the story into shit. The story made even less sense. Junko, killed her sister for no reason and she made everyone kill each for no reason. That's honestly quite possibly one of the worse storyline simply because there was no motive for the slaughter for the last saviors in a post-apocalypse setting.

Well, I did enjoy watching this and I enjoyed the anime itself, but the ending wasn't my cup of tea. I would have preferred Junko to have a motive or it was just all a VR game of some sort instead.

Well, either way, I loved the characters in this story. I'm also interested in playing the game now. Hopefully, it's better explained.

I loved Junko though, I wish I got to see more of her throughout the anime, it's a shame that we didn't get to see more of her.

1. She killed her sister because she wasn't doing a good job of impersonating her, and she thought that she was of more use to her dead than she was alive.
2. Junko started the killing game to try to make the survivors of the Tragedy fall into despair.

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She's clearly fucked up in the head. She and Mukuro were homeless for some extended period of time and, as she put it, "hated being alive from the moment they were born." Obviously life has not treated her well and she has some sort of mental problems going up there. Not realistically but at least the homeless part sort of backs up why she's so messed up - we don't know what she's seen out there. Plus her sister disappeared to go train with mercenaries so that would give her some attachment issues with her peers as well.

Then again I would not be surprised if the anime just completely forgot to cover all of this. In that case, *hangs head in shame for those who didn't play the game*


Her reason for doing all this is to see despair, she even said so in the first episode. From the moment she was born she already considered this world dull and boring. She has no justifiable reason for doing any of this (For the evulz) Junko does this for fun and games. From what I know she purposely killed her own parents just to know the despair of being homeless. In other words any kind of harsh situation Junko was put in, she did it on purpose because despair is a wonderful emotion to her.

Basically she has been fucked up in the head since she was born and even Junko doesn't know why someone like her exists. The closest example to her in another series would be Kotomine Kirei. And you could even say she is a female version of The Joker.
It's funny that you mention The Joker, because The Joker was the inspiration for Junko.

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Well, I really enjoyed this anime. I started watching it after it finished, so I didn't have to wait for a new episode, so basically, I didn't investigate. At all. And I think that's why I enjoyed it. When I see reviews, or opinion about this anime, most people complain that investigations were so short and out of nowhere everyone knew everything when they entered the trial. Well, I kind of agree but it didn't bother me.

The only thing that bothered me was character development. Actually, lack of character development. I didn't really care about any of them, I just enjoyed the plot & Monokuma.

But holy shit, Junko. I was so sad when she died so early, because I immediately fell in love with her (what can I say, I'm a sucker for bitchy characters like her), so I was satisfied with ending.

I give this series 7 out of 10. Enjoyed it. I'd probably give it less if I played the game.
Trust me, the games handle character development much better than the anime does.

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i3i said:
I still don't get why Junko made them kill each other. "Despair" is an unconvincing motive so I'll say out of boredom. But I couldn't care less anyway since all the characters have stereotypical anime personalities that it was nice watching them die one by one.
She wanted to make the survivors of the apocalypse feel despair.

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Mr_Panda said:
People who complain about adaptations are never able to be pleased. Changes were made. I wouldn't even say it's worth comparing different media versions of a story under average circumstances. I hadn't played the game up until I started watching the show, so I'll get to that soon enough. The show was ok. I figured out the "twists" a little to early for me to call it great, but I don't know if that's the show's fault or me watching too many mystery pieces.
I have seen many different adaptations. Some of those adaptations are good. Some are bad. This was not one of the good ones.

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U9 said:
So many things that don't make sense to me...

What happened to the world? What's that super nasty disaster that occured? Is it even real?
What was the point of this despair plan thingy of Junko? Why was she playing reaity show if the world was destroyed?
Who was the show broadcast to if the world was destroyed? Why? Who would want to watch it in such a world?
Whats with the super high school titles? Is this Power Rangers?
So kuma is an actual being?
1. The world is in chaos.
2. The events that destroyed the world are explained in DR2.
3. She was broadcasting the killing game to the people that were living in shelter so that they could feel despair.
4. Kuma isn't an actual being.

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rawrlsy said:
The ending. What the actual fuck.

Okay. So i was reading the reviews for Danganronpa as I was going along the series. I didn't hate it. On the contrary, I liked it. I enjoyed the art style, even though it was a little different. I myself like fast paced series, so the pacing for this anime didn't bother me at all. But I had questions, and I expected some of them to get answered in the last episode. Did it?

Nope.

In fact, it was confusing and it introduced 2 new concepts to the show: amnesia and how the real world is falling apart. What?

I would have given this anime a higher rating than a 5. But the ending was mediocre to lazy at best. So 5.
The things that you are complaining about are explained in the sequel.

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xchee said:
Junko died but monokuma lives. Was she really capable of wiping the students' memories? There has to be a higher entity backing her up I really don't think stuff happened all because of despair. It's like "motive? What motive? It's despair! Don't ask and just accept it's despair." *scratches head*

6/10
She wanted to make the survivors of the tragedy feel despair.

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Dragonage2ftw said:

1. This wasn't faithful at all. // 2. This adaptation omitted several very important things from the game.


It was faithful. Having completed the game and soaking in all the free time conversations, most of which were frivolous, I can attest to that. In fact, I watched this right after completing the game and was impressed that the core story and developments remained intact.

By the way, replying multiple times in a row in a rabid attempt to bash the anime won't get anyone on your side. There's something called an edit button.
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