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Aug 30, 2013 11:21 AM
#51
I almost can't take it anymore, this anime becomes with every single episode even more ridicules. At first I thought maybe it's just nice and fun like Girls and Panzer, since I don't really like these kinds of anime that much in the first place, but they really try hard every episode to come up with even more over the top stupid that just doesn't work with air soft guns. If they really want them to have the accuracy of a real sniper rifle with an air soft pistol when they don't even look at the target, why don't just make the characters older and turn them into real mercenaries or something and have them use real guns? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to say it has to be ultra realistic but atleast the last scene where she shot at the coin if her automatic air soft just doesn't work in any universe, because the coin wouldn't swing back in it's initial position after every hit, it wouldn't even be fast enough to do so, even if you go by their nonsensical law "that you can hit anything if you are one with the world". Rin and Sonora beating grown man in survival games when they were about 5-7 years old? Rin casually takes down a criminal this episode (I really wonder how she did it because her explanation was really, really bad)? Yea... right... you had to top them beating a team of real Marines previous episode, I understand. |
"The fool who believed in miracles now walks among the dead." ~ Blade of the Phantom Master |
Aug 30, 2013 11:58 AM
#52
It's really hard to watch when Yura speaks... Too much vicarious shame, makes me stop every 5 seconds. :l But I still like the show and I'd like to see how things turn out |
KiiroiNatsuAug 30, 2013 12:15 PM
Aug 30, 2013 12:39 PM
#53
In the end, Yura will probably go back to the C3-Club. But to me she has crossed the point of no return in this episode. |
Aug 30, 2013 2:22 PM
#54
What confused me most about Yura is that she started off the episode well, I mean, it even opened with her calling the organizers of the biggest airsoft tournament in the country that she just won and admit to cheating, and then, after not too much delay, admits it to the team. I was impressed. It's not even like they got mad at her, not really. Shocked and disappointed, but even Sonora wasn't really mad. It was after that that Yura started going downhill again. Nothing really happened when she went to see Rin, no meaningful words or anything that should have made her mad or anything, but once she was back, suddenly she's just sitting inside not having fun with the others, and isn't even interested, and continues that way for the rest of the episode. Starting at that scene, the shooting the food part, that's where in my mind Yura went from a tragic sympathetic character, like Rin became later in this episode, to, well, how Rin used to be seen. They really did completely switch places. |
Aug 30, 2013 6:22 PM
#56
eldest said: LOL, that's exactly the impression I got this episode.the birth of Darth Yura |
"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" Friedrich Schiller |
Aug 30, 2013 7:13 PM
#57
its becoming more of a drama than I thought it would be, cute girls playing with airsoft guns having fun but its not.! |
Aug 30, 2013 8:13 PM
#58
DancingJack said: Well i am going to have to agree with you that these girls look like some incredible high school girls.I almost can't take it anymore, this anime becomes with every single episode even more ridicules. At first I thought maybe it's just nice and fun like Girls and Panzer, since I don't really like these kinds of anime that much in the first place, but they really try hard every episode to come up with even more over the top stupid that just doesn't work with air soft guns. If they really want them to have the accuracy of a real sniper rifle with an air soft pistol when they don't even look at the target, why don't just make the characters older and turn them into real mercenaries or something and have them use real guns? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to say it has to be ultra realistic but atleast the last scene where she shot at the coin if her automatic air soft just doesn't work in any universe, because the coin wouldn't swing back in it's initial position after every hit, it wouldn't even be fast enough to do so, even if you go by their nonsensical law "that you can hit anything if you are one with the world". Rin and Sonora beating grown man in survival games when they were about 5-7 years old? Rin casually takes down a criminal this episode (I really wonder how she did it because her explanation was really, really bad)? Yea... right... you had to top them beating a team of real Marines previous episode, I understand. However i do think some of the stuff they do is possible. First of Rin shooting the mark without looking it's possible but your going to need a steady target that doesn't move and a lot of practice you need to know the trajectory of the bullet and where it will end up. You mentioned sniping it a perfect example a bullet is effected by gravity, wind and other natural elements so its trajectory isn't perfectly straight. To make it sound simple if you snipe over a large distance and you put the marker directly on to the target you wont hit it, your gonna need to know the trajectory of the bullet so that you know where the bullet will hit. So the marker won't be directly on the target but somewhere near the target depending on weather wind and distance, it's gonna take some good knowledge of what the bullet will do when shot and the only way to obtain this knowledge is practice lots of practice. That's the reason why sniping is so hard and why only a handful of people make it to a good sniper unit. About the marines it's true that the are a elite unit and that they underwent Spartan training to become that way but they aren't invincible. But in order to beat them it's gonna take a well trained and well organised team and some good tactics. Wether high school girls can form a team like that is a different matter tho, but Rin's team has been shown as such a team. I can think of several possibilities one is that the marines underestimated Rin's team or Rin's team used to element of surprise, it could be a possibility of both. Basically i think it's possible but with a huge amount of training it's gonna take months maybe even years to achieve. |
Aug 30, 2013 8:33 PM
#59
The staff earlier said that they wanted to depict the "FUN" and "ENJOYMENT" of the airsoft game and this is why they had that supernatural time-slip-to-Heian-Age episode. At that time fans just scratched their head, but now they just threw up their arms and said "whatever!". Have we got any sense of how fun and enjoyable airsoft game is? Do we learn anything except a few bits and pieces about equipments, preparations, maneuvering and skills in airsoft? People can neglect those superhuman gravity-defying moves or feet firing guns is they can at least learn something or get the FUN. No wonder this anime now is at the dead bottom of the sales ranking among this season's anime... It is even lower than the "ignored and forgotten" Gifuu Doudou, and it is really saying something.. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Aug 30, 2013 10:41 PM
#61
symbv said: The staff earlier said that they wanted to depict the "FUN" and "ENJOYMENT" of the airsoft game and this is why they had that supernatural time-slip-to-Heian-Age episode. At that time fans just scratched their head, but now they just threw up their arms and said "whatever!". Have we got any sense of how fun and enjoyable airsoft game is? Do we learn anything except a few bits and pieces about equipments, preparations, maneuvering and skills in airsoft? People can neglect those superhuman gravity-defying moves or feet firing guns is they can at least learn something or get the FUN. No wonder this anime now is at the dead bottom of the sales ranking among this season's anime... It is even lower than the "ignored and forgotten" Gifuu Doudou, and it is really saying something.. Or people just like to complain. I've never understood why people care how popular or unpopular a show (or whatever) is, because that's just a bunch of other peoples' opinions. And they're complaining before the season is even over. If you like it, watch it, if you don't, don't. We're at the point that every story has where everything is down/sad/depressing/hopeless/etc, and people just complain about it, it's like they don't understand how story structure works. Yes, Yura's annoying and going down the wrong path right now, that's the whole idea, that's where we are. "Have we got any sense of how fun and enjoyable airsoft game is? Do we learn anything except a few bits and pieces about equipments, preparations, maneuvering and skills in airsoft?" Yes, we absolutely have. The show has been exceptional in this regard. Episode 4 is the only episode I'm fairly "meh" on, not really something I'd bother rewatching unless I'm rewatching the whole thing, I love the rest of the episodes. Except 4's intro, that part is hilarious and awesome. |
BleedingUraniumAug 30, 2013 10:46 PM
Aug 30, 2013 10:54 PM
#62
BleedingUranium said: Or perhaps they have some valid reasons to complain?? As I said, they had some expectations and they were prepared to adjust it as the series made progress, and some would have read the manga first and came into it with expectations based on the manga. However, once you got one episode after another that went against your expectation even after you have your expectation adjusted, I don't see why complaining about it is equal to "like to complain". Personally I don't really care about how un/popular a show is either, but it helps to see how others think of the show and whether they share the same frustration as you do. At least for me, one eye-opener is how the fans of original manga rose up in arms about how the adaptation destroyed the characters of the manga but does not replace them with something as convincing or engaging. Or people just like to complain. I've never understood why people care how popular or unpopular a show (or whatever) is, because that's just a bunch of other peoples' opinions. And they're complaining before the season is even over. If you like it, watch it, if you don't, don't. BleedingUranium said: The show has been exceptionally FAILING in this regards, unless you mean the show as an counter-example for my question. "Have we got any sense of how fun and enjoyable airsoft game is? Do we learn anything except a few bits and pieces about equipments, preparations, maneuvering and skills in airsoft?" Yes, we absolutely have. The show has been exceptional in this regard. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Aug 30, 2013 11:06 PM
#63
symbv said: BleedingUranium said: The show has been exceptionally FAILING in this regards, unless you mean the show as an counter-example for my question."Have we got any sense of how fun and enjoyable airsoft game is? Do we learn anything except a few bits and pieces about equipments, preparations, maneuvering and skills in airsoft?" Yes, we absolutely have. The show has been exceptional in this regard. I really don't see how it's failing, at all. This has been done exceptionally since the very first episode, with Honoka and Rento's awesomeness in the Rambo battle. Speaking as an airsofter, it's very good in this regard. I'm not really sure what your issue is here. ---- I'm sick of hearing Yura tried her best in the first tournament, she quit! I prefer the super hardass Rin-Yura we have now to that Yura. Sonora was perfectly right in what she said. It doesn't matter if you lose, but giving up is not acceptable, ever. That's a good life lesson there, too. You're going to lose? You go out with guns blazing, just like Sonora and Honoka did minutes before. |
BleedingUraniumAug 30, 2013 11:12 PM
Aug 30, 2013 11:13 PM
#64
What's refreshing in C3-Bu is that there's a big chance that this is actually happening. Yura's "descent" happens all the time in competitive online games; the main difference is that the process is cyclic in online games (newbie -> for fun -> frustration -> tryhard -> rage -> quit -> returning player -> newbie, you get the point) while in this case, there's pretty much no turning back for Yura. It also veers away from the "group of girls in a club doing fun things" story, which has been done over and over again. C3-Bu having fun all the time drains away their budget, their focus on having fun makes them barely competitive, and they are a mess even with decent direction. On the other hand, K-ON steals the hearts of Sakuragaoka High School with their talents that cannot be compared to professionals. |
Aug 30, 2013 11:27 PM
#65
BleedingUranium said: Fine, if you are an airsofter and you try to get me to try airsoft by watching this anime (which is a clear corollary of what the staff vowed for, to show the "fun" about airsoft game) and I will surely not be convinced or impressed. I don't learn much about what equipment is needed and what is required from me. I only see a bunch of girls doing some really unreal move like walking on wall or firing guns with their feet. I also heard from airsofter who complained about this anime that a lot of the depictions about the game are gross exaggerations and some maneuvers are not based on real games. Also they seem to have used some real airsoft guns in the anime, but unlike Guns und Panzer there is no way we can find out what model they use -- until some dedicated fans come up with some explanations themselves. As for FUN I do not see how an episode of traveling to an imaginary Heian period world about changing history depicts the fun of playing airsoft. I do not see how superhuman practice of shooting a coin from many yards away as good and valid practice for airsoft. All you can say about "awesome" is just fragments in the series when they depict flashes of action, like the Rambo battle, but from an overall perspective and series composition point of view, or just from their avowed aim of depicting the fun and joy of airsoft, this has been a spectacular failure.I really don't see how it's failing, at all. This has been done exceptionally since the very first episode, with Honoka and Rento's awesomeness in the Rambo battle. Speaking as an airsofter, it's very good in this regard. I'm not really sure what your issue is here. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Aug 31, 2013 2:33 AM
#66
I hope, in the end they use real guns and it will a bloody death match. At least THAT would be fun to watch. But not that Anime. This Anime has so much about Airsoft like K-On about music, but K-On was at least funny to watch. Watching this show is kinda suffering. |
Aug 31, 2013 2:34 AM
#67
kuuurt said: >you win >you confess to cheating >friends get mad at you for doing the right thing >blonde friend almost punches you >you quit the club She cheated without any hesitation. Confessed the next day to a rule that she had just learned about before the final round started so they were pissed that their win might be overturned because of a misinterpretation of something, Blonde wants to unleash the Dempsey Roll on her because she wants the whole team to have a rematch because it only matters what she thinks, quits club because she wants to catch bad guys and be as serious and cool as Rin-chan! symbv said: As for FUN I do not see how an episode of traveling to an imaginary Heian period world about changing history depicts the fun of playing airsoft. I do not see how superhuman practice of shooting a coin from many yards away as good and valid practice for airsoft. this has been a spectacular failure. I loved the imaginary world part because Rento got sucked in at the end but they never brought that up again like it was normal. The coin thing always makes me think of The Patriot "Aim small, miss small." and the marines losing highlights that everything about this show is a failure in regard to it being "real". |
Aug 31, 2013 5:02 AM
#68
symbv said: BleedingUranium said: Fine, if you are an airsofter and you try to get me to try airsoft by watching this anime (which is a clear corollary of what the staff vowed for, to show the "fun" about airsoft game) and I will surely not be convinced or impressed. I don't learn much about what equipment is needed and what is required from me. I only see a bunch of girls doing some really unreal move like walking on wall or firing guns with their feet. I also heard from airsofter who complained about this anime that a lot of the depictions about the game are gross exaggerations and some maneuvers are not based on real games. Also they seem to have used some real airsoft guns in the anime, but unlike Guns und Panzer there is no way we can find out what model they use -- until some dedicated fans come up with some explanations themselves. As for FUN I do not see how an episode of traveling to an imaginary Heian period world about changing history depicts the fun of playing airsoft. I do not see how superhuman practice of shooting a coin from many yards away as good and valid practice for airsoft. All you can say about "awesome" is just fragments in the series when they depict flashes of action, like the Rambo battle, but from an overall perspective and series composition point of view, or just from their avowed aim of depicting the fun and joy of airsoft, this has been a spectacular failure.I really don't see how it's failing, at all. This has been done exceptionally since the very first episode, with Honoka and Rento's awesomeness in the Rambo battle. Speaking as an airsofter, it's very good in this regard. I'm not really sure what your issue is here. The only person doing parcour is Karila, but that's her thing, and the quad-wielding was just meant to be funny, and they were just having fun. That's the idea, not taking things too seriously. You want to know what guns are used? Here: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Stella_Women%27s_Academy,_High_School_Division_Class_C%C2%B3 All the main guns are made by Tokyo Marui, except the M60, which is an A&K, and Rin's M3A1 Grease Gun, which is an S&T. I agree episode 4 was a bit weird, but that's for Yura's character, not so much the sport. |
Aug 31, 2013 5:10 AM
#69
BleedingUranium said: By contrast, serious fans of tanks praise how real the tanks in Girls und Panzer are depicted and how tank hobbyists can learn things from there. In this anime? Not so much. The only person doing parcour is Karila, but that's her thing, and the quad-wielding was just meant to be funny, and they were just having fun. That's the idea, not taking things too seriously. BleedingUranium said: Well, again in Girls und Panzer I got to know what tanks are used inside the anime, and even if they are not named, I can find the information in the official anime website. Zilch in this anime. You want to know what guns are used? Here: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Stella_Women%27s_Academy,_High_School_Division_Class_C%C2%B3 BleedingUranium said: Some airsofters told me a few guns which are not made by Tokyo Marui, or are made by it but not in the same color or with modifications. Again zero information from the anime!!All the main guns are made by Tokyo Marui, except the M60, which is an A&K, and Rin's M3A1 Grease Gun, which is an S&T. BleedingUranium said: And it went downhill rapidly from there.I agree episode 4 was a bit weird, but that's for Yura's character, not so much the sport. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Aug 31, 2013 8:40 AM
#70
shit just getting serious now.. yura is really blamming herself :/ ah.. and that end.. whats with the bullet color? it change from pink into blue? and.. so.. she join rin's team? :/ |
Aug 31, 2013 12:39 PM
#71
Its too bad this show is so low in the rankings I kinda want a S2. And as to Yura I like this turn in events shes going to the Dark side kukukuku. |
Aug 31, 2013 2:06 PM
#72
symbv said: BleedingUranium said: By contrast, serious fans of tanks praise how real the tanks in Girls und Panzer are depicted and how tank hobbyists can learn things from there. In this anime? Not so much. The only person doing parcour is Karila, but that's her thing, and the quad-wielding was just meant to be funny, and they were just having fun. That's the idea, not taking things too seriously. BleedingUranium said: Well, again in Girls und Panzer I got to know what tanks are used inside the anime, and even if they are not named, I can find the information in the official anime website. Zilch in this anime. You want to know what guns are used? Here: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Stella_Women%27s_Academy,_High_School_Division_Class_C%C2%B3 BleedingUranium said: Some airsofters told me a few guns which are not made by Tokyo Marui, or are made by it but not in the same color or with modifications. Again zero information from the anime!!All the main guns are made by Tokyo Marui, except the M60, which is an A&K, and Rin's M3A1 Grease Gun, which is an S&T. That's great that another anime did that, but it's not really important to the story, it's not need-to-know information in universe. Upotte!!, another of my favourites, did what you're talking about, but that was half the point of the show. C3 is far closer to K-On! (my all time favourite) than those two, and it never went out of its way to teach you every little thing either (like what the instruments were, but they were so detailed it was obvious exactly which model they were, to the point where you could buy them all and be sure they were perfect). Why? Because K-On! and C3 are character-based, rather than subject-based (tanks and guns for the other two). It just sounds like you want the show to be something it was never supposed to be. If you're interested, a five second web search will tell you everything. You're blowing something very minor way out of proportion. Yura's G17, Sonora's AUG A1 (discontinued) and Desert Eagles, Karila's P90 and "Strike Warrior", Honoka's G36K and Mk IV Series '70, Rento's AK-47 and G26 "Advance", Yachiyo's Type-89F, Rin's Desert Eagles, Meisei's (what appear to be) XDM-40s, Aoi's M-10, Kinako's Uzis, Midori & Momoka's M-11s, Akane's G26s, Moe's PPK/S, Aria's AK-47 "β-Spetsnaz", and Miyagi's Desert Eagle 10-Inch "Leon Custom" are all stock, off the shelf Tokyo Marui guns. Yura's Vz. 61 Škorpion is electric-powered, but has a brown grip, while TM's actual electric Škorpion has a black grip while their spring-powered Škorpion is the one with a brown grip. The gold detail is custom work, so it's possible the brown colour is too. Yachiyo's AWS has a bipod, scope riser, medium-height scope rings, and 3-9x40 scope, which are all TM-made. Yachiyo's P228 is depicted as gas-powered, while TM's actual P228 is spring-powered (I have one). The team's M60 is made by A&K (the only company currently making old-style M60s). Rin's M3A1 Grease Gun is made by S&T. Meisei's MP5K-PDWs are TM, but have red dot sights (they lack a name, but are specific to the MP5 series) made by G&P, and Gemtech Raptor-II suppressors (also MP5 specific) made by Madbull. Daishichi's gold-plated AKS-47 is made by SRC (limited production). Hibiki's VSR-10 has a generic rifle scope. symbv said: BleedingUranium said: And it went downhill rapidly from there.I agree episode 4 was a bit weird, but that's for Yura's character, not so much the sport. You're free to have that opinion, and I'm free to think all the episode are really awesome with the exception of the reality-altering in Ep4. With regards to you saying the show never shows what's so fun about airsoft, it seems you missed: -Episode 1's Rambo scenario -Episode 2's HVT escort -Episode 3's first game and the slides of the other games after it -Episode 4's intro -Episode 5's battles (both) -Episode 7's training -Episode 8 -Episode 9's pistol training I find it hard to believe you watched all of that, but still don't get it. |
BleedingUraniumAug 31, 2013 7:19 PM
Aug 31, 2013 8:41 PM
#73
I for one like the series going against clichés, going away from "group of girls in club doing things" and into Yura going dark side. Sadly it will end with a fuzzy cliché ending, but for now it's cool to see something different. I hope we see Yura fighting against C3 next time. |
Sep 1, 2013 3:27 AM
#74
I wish they didn't neglect us airsoft gunsmiths with our love of the technical side of airsoft like hop-up units and disassembling gas bolts... but I guess that doesn't appeal to most people haha >.> |
Sep 1, 2013 6:21 PM
#75
How can you dislike Yura? Finally a character with some CHARACTER. C3 are just a bunch of casuals, I am glad she left them. |
Sep 1, 2013 8:28 PM
#76
I'm fond of this direction for the anime too. Granted I do like the "girls doing cute shit" stuff in anime but I like where this is going. The entire C3 club, with the exception of Rento, annoys me to no end after Yura's first airsoft match, especially Sonora. BleedingUranium said: symbv said: BleedingUranium said: The show has been exceptionally FAILING in this regards, unless you mean the show as an counter-example for my question."Have we got any sense of how fun and enjoyable airsoft game is? Do we learn anything except a few bits and pieces about equipments, preparations, maneuvering and skills in airsoft?" Yes, we absolutely have. The show has been exceptional in this regard. I really don't see how it's failing, at all. This has been done exceptionally since the very first episode, with Honoka and Rento's awesomeness in the Rambo battle. Speaking as an airsofter, it's very good in this regard. I'm not really sure what your issue is here. ---- I'm sick of hearing Yura tried her best in the first tournament, she quit! I prefer the super hardass Rin-Yura we have now to that Yura. Sonora was perfectly right in what she said. It doesn't matter if you lose, but giving up is not acceptable, ever. That's a good life lesson there, too. You're going to lose? You go out with guns blazing, just like Sonora and Honoka did minutes before. I rather someone quit than stick with something they aren't finding fun at the moment because then it would just make it not fun for anyone else. Sonora wanted to stress home the point that airsoft is supposed to be all about fun and Yura stopped having fun so she quit. First of all, you don't pit a new girl against one of the top teams of the sport and expect them to not be scared or wanting not to play anymore. It would be like trying to talk someone into playing a fighting game and pit them against Daigo or some other top tier player for their first time ever, get smashed and expect them to have fun. Doesn't hurt that Sonora came at her stupid reckless after the match. So now you got a new Yura who wants to win no matter what and they don't like that either. C3 club is full of it and only Rento seem to have any sense. That said, I do like Rin-Yura more than old Yura myself. |
Sep 1, 2013 11:14 PM
#77
Toyosatomimi said: How can you dislike Yura? Finally a character with some CHARACTER. C3 are just a bunch of casuals, I am glad she left them. That's the idea though, they're supposed to be "causals", if that's the word you want to use. Same with Team Seto and KGB; you know, all the protagonists. They're not so much casuals, as they don't take themselves or the game too seriously. They play and try to win, sure, but they have fun while doing it. Somewhat related: -Meisei training: http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fa/Meisei_C3-bu.jpg -C3 training: http://www.imfdb.org/images/1/14/C3_9_%281%29.jpg That's the theme of the show in a nutshell. Fun > Winning, just like K-On!'s theme (playing for fun > being a pro band). If you disagree with that, the show isn't for you. Esura said: I rather someone quit than stick with something they aren't finding fun at the moment because then it would just make it not fun for anyone else. Sonora wanted to stress home the point that airsoft is supposed to be all about fun and Yura stopped having fun so she quit. First of all, you don't pit a new girl against one of the top teams of the sport and expect them to not be scared or wanting not to play anymore. It would be like trying to talk someone into playing a fighting game and pit them against Daigo or some other top tier player for their first time ever, get smashed and expect them to have fun. Doesn't hurt that Sonora came at her stupid reckless after the match. So now you got a new Yura who wants to win no matter what and they don't like that either. C3 club is full of it and only Rento seem to have any sense. That said, I do like Rin-Yura more than old Yura myself. Right, Yura shouldn't be the shy, timid, nervious wreck she was at the beginning of the season, but she can't be the super hardcore winning is everything type she is now either, both of those are bad. Yura needs to be how she is in the intro, the happy energetic one that slaps Honoka and Rento, makes a silly pose and has a huge grin, that's the Yura we only saw for the very end of episode 3, for episode 4, and episode 5, though she was already starting to go downhill in 5. That's how Yura needs to be, and will most likely be by the end of the season. What makes you say Rento is so different from the rest of them? |
BleedingUraniumSep 1, 2013 11:40 PM
Sep 2, 2013 1:01 AM
#78
BleedingUranium said: Toyosatomimi said: How can you dislike Yura? Finally a character with some CHARACTER. C3 are just a bunch of casuals, I am glad she left them. That's the idea though, they're supposed to be "causals", if that's the word you want to use. Same with Team Seto and KGB; you know, all the protagonists. They're not so much casuals, as they don't take themselves or the game too seriously. They play and try to win, sure, but they have fun while doing it. Somewhat related: -Meisei training: http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fa/Meisei_C3-bu.jpg -C3 training: http://www.imfdb.org/images/1/14/C3_9_%281%29.jpg That's the theme of the show in a nutshell. Fun > Winning, just like K-On!'s theme (playing for fun > being a pro band). If you disagree with that, the show isn't for you. Esura said: I rather someone quit than stick with something they aren't finding fun at the moment because then it would just make it not fun for anyone else. Sonora wanted to stress home the point that airsoft is supposed to be all about fun and Yura stopped having fun so she quit. First of all, you don't pit a new girl against one of the top teams of the sport and expect them to not be scared or wanting not to play anymore. It would be like trying to talk someone into playing a fighting game and pit them against Daigo or some other top tier player for their first time ever, get smashed and expect them to have fun. Doesn't hurt that Sonora came at her stupid reckless after the match. So now you got a new Yura who wants to win no matter what and they don't like that either. C3 club is full of it and only Rento seem to have any sense. That said, I do like Rin-Yura more than old Yura myself. Right, Yura shouldn't be the shy, timid, nervious wreck she was at the beginning of the season, but she can't be the super hardcore winning is everything type she is now either, both of those are bad. Yura needs to be how she is in the intro, the happy energetic one that slaps Honoka and Rento, makes a silly pose and has a huge grin, that's the Yura we only saw for the very end of episode 3, for episode 4, and episode 5, though she was already starting to go downhill in 5. That's how Yura needs to be, and will most likely be by the end of the season. What makes you say Rento is so different from the rest of them? Rento is the more down-to-earth and nicer character in the series. Its hard to hate her. Also, isn't it a bit disingenuous to say that the show isn't for him/her because he don't agree with "Fun > Winning" when at this point a majority of the episodes been less about "cute girls doing fun shit" and more about Yura's internal struggles with her weaknesses and her desire to win at all cost? |
Sep 2, 2013 4:18 AM
#79
I'm still in favor for Yura even if she changed a lot. :) |
Sep 2, 2013 6:08 AM
#80
BleedingUranium said: they don't take themselves or the game too seriously That's called casuals. BleedingUranium said: the show isn't for you I aboslutley love the MC and the direction she is going. How the hell is this show not for me? If something it's not for you, for disliking a proper MC. |
Sep 2, 2013 10:43 AM
#81
I've always been a fan of dark character turns. Some of my favourite character developments. This show is breaking the mould this way and that's not a bad thing. I'm really hoping we see Yura take on Sonora at some point in the next couple of episodes. It's obvious it will end fluffy and all about friendship but I'll enjoy the inter-rivalry until then. It's what I've come to call the "School Days" argument where if an anime does something that is not considered the status quo for it's genre then people will automatically moan and hate it for that reason. This is probably my anime of the season at the moment and I don't think that's likely to change either if it goes the way that it is. |
Sep 2, 2013 1:47 PM
#82
Okay, what I meant by "the show isn't for you" was more like, if you like and support how Yura has become, and think that's how she should be, and dislike the rest of the girls for their "casualness", in the end you're going to be disappointed, because the theme of the show is being like C3 is good, being like Meisei is bad. I hope that makes a bit more sense. I love Yura's development too, the whole arc of being shy and timid, to going overboard trying to get away from that, and the inevitable recovery and balance of the two, it's awesome and very believable character development. I just don't like hearing people complaining about where she is now, because it's obvious she's going to come out of it, that's the point. |
Sep 3, 2013 12:24 AM
#83
I really love Rento. I mean, she is the only character I can genuinely like, she takes a bullet for Yura, tries to cheer her up and treats her as a friend. Best C^3-bu girl right there. And on the other side we have Rin, she masterfully orchestrated Yura falling to the dark side and creating a rift in team Stella. Keikaku doori indeed. I liked the episode, but I'm afraid we'll have a clichéd "I have realized fun is more important than winning" with Yura returning to Stella. I'm counting on you Gainax, pull some stunt please and surprise me, I don't even care how hard you troll. 5/5. |
Sep 3, 2013 12:39 AM
#84
BleedingUranium said: You know what, at least K-On is not out to state that it is about serious band playing, and I am sure it will lots of complaints if it does. On the other hand, C3-bu made a loud statement about it is being airsoft game and its fun, and this is the problem. I think western fans may not know about this because such statement is not translated in English but this is how the expectation of fans in Japan were set. So it is not OK just to talk about the story (not to say how much it changes the story and the characters wholesale from the manga and makes them almost unrecognizable to the manga fans) but also about how it depicts airsoft game and its fun, because judging from their stated aim they have failed massively. Personally I am a fan of K-On, indifferent to Upotte, but very very very disappointed with C3-bu, just to let you where I come from. As I said, if you try to recruit me for airsoft using this anime you will be doomed to fail. On the other hand, I learn things and get my interests aroused about Hyakunin-Isshu when I watch Chihayafuru, about Go when I watch Hikaru no Go, about tanks when I watch Girls und Panzer. This anime? Nothing much. That's great that another anime did that, but it's not really important to the story, it's not need-to-know information in universe. Upotte!!, another of my favourites, did what you're talking about, but that was half the point of the show. C3 is far closer to K-On! (my all time favourite) than those two, and it never went out of its way to teach you every little thing either (like what the instruments were, but they were so detailed it was obvious exactly which model they were, to the point where you could buy them all and be sure they were perfect). Why? Because K-On! and C3 are character-based, rather than subject-based (tanks and guns for the other two). It just sounds like you want the show to be something it was never supposed to be. If you're interested, a five second web search will tell you everything. You're blowing something very minor way out of proportion. BleedingUranium said: As I said, the great stuff is just fragments of it. I do not see the training to be really "fun", so it is not what I missed but I perceived as the anime telling us what is so "fun" about airsoft and utterly completely absolutely failed to deliver except for the occasional fights. So this series is actually the MOST DISAPPOINTING series I have seen among the >30 shows I am tracking this season - and I don't usually complain as I always try to find positive things to say about a show, but this show is really disappointing. I can see good points in depiction of some fights, some of the music and I personally like its color palette but overall execution is a major failure.You're free to have that opinion, and I'm free to think all the episode are really awesome with the exception of the reality-altering in Ep4. With regards to you saying the show never shows what's so fun about airsoft, it seems you missed: -Episode 1's Rambo scenario -Episode 2's HVT escort -Episode 3's first game and the slides of the other games after it -Episode 4's intro -Episode 5's battles (both) -Episode 7's training -Episode 8 -Episode 9's pistol training I find it hard to believe you watched all of that, but still don't get it. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Sep 3, 2013 3:47 AM
#85
What happened to the fun loving air soft show with the killer jazz tunes? Ever since Yura-chan got her significant haircut, she's gotten more and more annoying. She should just leave C3 and join the armed forces instead if she really wants to play for keeps. |
"Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Sep 5, 2013 5:48 PM
#86
Like I said, if you watched all that, and still don't get why airsoft is fun, then that's on you, not the show. Anyway, here's something really cool I recently noticed in the intro. We all know that at the end of the main character compilation is shows Yura running and the camera goes into her eye, then get the Sonora vs Rin shot. What I noticed is that it's not just a cool scene change, because right after that the camera comes back out of Yura again. That scene isn't actually Sonora vs Rin, it's a representation of those two parts of Yura battling inside her own head! On a related note, the intro follows the plot of the show so far, it shows Yura getting ready, then Team Seto, then KGB, then Meisei (24H tournement), then C3 (and it looks like Yura will be fighting them now too), then the Yura internal battle, then happy scene of the group all looking at a sunrise/sunset together. There you go, that's how the plot is going to go. |
BleedingUraniumSep 5, 2013 5:57 PM
Sep 6, 2013 8:28 AM
#87
Sep 10, 2013 9:25 PM
#88
I'm not buying it. I don't think Yura is a win-at-all-costs type of person. I think she's gotten confused, and is getting more confused. I thought maybe she was coalescing with her parting words, but the preview makes me think she's still wandering away from herself. Or maybe I'm wrong about her, but I don't like the way she's going; I don't think it'll make her happy in the long run. I'm feeling like Rin is Vader calling from the Dark Side, and Yura is Frodo succumbing to the One Ring. |
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Sep 14, 2013 2:39 AM
#89
Sonora is back! And what an entrance! Sonora X Karila!! So, Yura confessed she cheated, but Rin shut her down. Rin is too pro, hitting targets without looking. Wait, is Yura quitting and joining Rin's team? We've got a problem here, but I do like how she changed so much even if other people don't like it. |
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Sep 14, 2013 4:19 PM
#90
The first really good episode. |
Sep 21, 2013 12:49 AM
#92
Hmm, personally I started to like Rin since last episode and it's good to know she wasn't the sniper. Yura is trying to become like Rin too much and starting to take airsoft too seriously rather than casually enjoying it like the Stella club does. I don't dislike her because I know that she feels guilty about cheating, but she's definitely lost sight of what really matters more (insert standard friendship is power phrase). |
Oct 17, 2013 11:19 AM
#93
Oct 27, 2013 5:11 PM
#94
So, Yura is joining opposite team now? But I guess it's only temporary. She totally lost sense of fun in the process. The fact is, though, that I don't like her as much as other heroines, her personality is to blame. |
Oct 30, 2013 10:41 AM
#95
Nov 10, 2013 10:38 AM
#96
Another good episode. So she confessed and Rin said it didn't happen eh ...? Everyone else in the club is having fun again but she's not enjoying that ... even going to Rin to demand a rematch! :O I liked learning more about Sonora's past with Rin. Seems like she ended up just like Yura ... changing after their "master" got hurt and thinking it was their fault (well in Yura's case it was a bit). So she ends up quitting the C3 club eh ... hmm, I wonder if she'll go train with Rin or something? Well, I can say that this show is actually quite a bit better than I expected. Lots of twists and turns I didn't see coming! :O |
Nov 26, 2013 4:18 AM
#97
4/5 Anime as a forerunner of the genre airsoft, leaves something to be desired on the subject, in fact, thinking back over and over again, it is only used to "smudge" the plot, but in fact the narrative lays the foundations for an environment of psychological type, with sottofofondo slice of life. Too bad I wanted a mix of these two genres, he knew involve me and leave me amazed! Oh well! ^ ^ " Designs that good or bad, they're cute, but do not maintain the same level all the time. Animations not excelled! Color design that exceeds in the colors pink and purple. Characters I'd rather have more characterization! However, rating of 4/5 still hoping that the best before end! |
Dec 14, 2013 11:38 AM
#98
Loving it. I like how the whole cheating issue didn't become so big with the girls throwing evil looks at Yura and i also like how Yura tries to follow a new path. I think the hate against her is stupid. Who the fuck says that what she is doing is wrong. She try to self-discover herself and she found that she enjoys victory more and feels bad when she's not doing her best and feels like she's wasting her time. So she has the right to feel like the C3 club may not be as good for her. I would be happy if Gainax doesn't try to make her go her own way for her to regret it and realizing how she misses them cause that will be too cheesy and expected. I want her to go to a new environment and go all awesome there and change the viewer opinion by being awesome for what she is after discovering herself instead of just being regretful and people start liking her again simply because she came back crying to mommy. symbv said: So GAINAX, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE !!??!!??!!?? Well after seeing those supposed fabulous manga screenshots and reading your comments i'll say what they is is called IMPROVEMENT. They turned some silly moe airsoft manga that probably could never be any better than other big moeblob successes to something that actually has something to offer. |
Jan 5, 2014 6:24 AM
#99
I understand Yura's passion. She wants to win. You enter contest to WIN, not have fun. There is no fun in losing. She is right to quit that childish group because she will not improve further with them. If I was her, I'd join the enemy school. |
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