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| Well they sure as hell fooled me with this! seriously don't remember the last interesting episode since this one things should be getting good now |
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Zyrusticae said: That's not the point at all. Symbiosis depends on common interests. Now Evolvers chose a different way to survive, which does no good to Continent Union. Then why don't CU do some preventive measures? |
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| I need to rewatch this episode tomorrow. I went in with a uninterested mood and couldn't understand all that info. But damn @ at the end. |
Durbikins said: Ami? Can't be cause that girl was still around during the ice age, id have to take several years for the ice age to end. but a decedent maybe. |
Yata837 said: Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to convey that there was a black and white good or bad side to the scenario, though I can see why people thought that's what I was inferring from the pic. Furthermore, I (like most of you) am glad this finally occurred because now the show is a lot less one-sided. No man, I was implying that almost all Shounen anime/manga goes black and white. This is not one, so we are basically supporting what you are saying. |
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| I am getting a ton of Shinsekai Yori vibes from this. |
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AshtonClaude said: can anyone explain me , they turn into whalesquid to be able to adapt to environment, such as space...but then...why they need to turn into whalesquid if normal human a.k.a galactic alliance also can survive the space without being a whalesquid ? there are some point I feel inconsistent : -chamber disobey Ledo command by killing that last whalesquid when ledo already said stop - why this information about human that evolve into whalesquid is classified? coz they afraid people will hesitate to kill whalesquid coz they originally was human ? hell crap...even in real world people killing another people if they feel threatened - hideauze able to adapt to space but unable to talk ? I hope Ledo wont be break like Shinji...I hate if Ledo is = new Shinji ...LoL 1) It was an experimental thing 2) Delay, i don't know 3) Ledo pretty much summed it up, he thought he was killing "lesser beings" and chances are the alliance started the war, gotta wait for future developments. 4) Sound can't travel in a vacuum, so talking/emitting sound will be useless in space |
| Damn this episode was so sad. Not knowing why they fight they continue to kill the hideauze. he massacred them. |
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| Damn, those things were actually human. Evolution went wrong I supposed. Chamber sure is a convenient robot, he can read data from storage device without even plugging it in. How does that even work? |
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| I saw this coming from a mile away. I don't get why Red (I refuse to call him Ledo) would get shaken up to find out the Hideauze are human. Does it really matter from his vantage point? Here is a hostile species waging an eternal war against humans. Whether the originated from Earth or Mars, whether they are mutated humans or demons or aliens make absolutely no difference. I hope they don't try to use this as a weak excuse to make a point about co-existence, but considering that's been a theme all along, I'm not getting my hopes up. |
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orbbie said: Damn this episode was so sad. Not knowing why they fight they continue to kill the hideauze. he massacred them. The sign Urobuchi in ACTION! Kill them before they lay eggs!!! I don't think Hideauze is human any more...Almost a squid that reproduce themselves by mate and only the Queen can lay the eggs! No longer a human, but still, the origin is from human with DNA genetic engineering. Just somewhere in the past it went wrong and lose the essence of humanity.....     |
AoiMizuJun 2, 2013 11:34 PM
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| So who were the good guys, Cro-Magnon man or the Neanderthals? A battle between species for a limited ecological niche may not have a happy ending. In fact good/bad and happy/unhappy dichotomies probably don't apply. Keep in mind that the Evolvers and the Continental Alliance were already locked in combat when they escaped Earth through the warpgate and went 6000 light years off in a random direction. The whale squids and the current humans are presumably the descendants of the ones who didn't leave earth and were able to live in relative peace because they by-and-large occupy different niches. As for the space-based cousins: true humans will probably require a fixed planetary base so they will always be vulnerable to attack from the free-ranging space squids. That war is destined to continue until one side or the other achieves total victory. However I think it is also fair to point out that the human alliance plan was to go through the gate and go elsewhere, while the Evolvers could probably happily mooch around in the local galactic neighborhood. If they had let Ledo's ancestors leave we probably would have had peace ---or a resonalble facsimile. |
rodacJun 2, 2013 11:37 PM
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| the whole point of genetically modifying humans was to make them capable of surviving in space. Not pointless at all. Because of the whole global cooling they needed another potential habitable planet but obviously humans don't fare too well in space travel. The hideauze was used for this purpose but it clearly backfired and many opposed this project which resulted in the schism between hideauze and humans. I wonder what happened to the people that supported the project but weren't hideauze. Were they exterminated as well? |
Pesti13nce said: Did anyone else's heart sink a little when chamber did what he did at the end, with the humanoid looking one? Mine did. :( After i saw those Hideaze babies i knew they were humans once. And after seeing that report i felt so sad because this is so close to reality that it hurts so much. And the to top it all, that human like Hideaze at end. When i first saw her i thought "Ok maybe they will communicate somehow now." Second later Chamber destroys my dream. :( Why Chamber why???!!!! |
mewtwo21 said: Durbikins said: Ami? Can't be cause that girl was still around during the ice age, id have to take several years for the ice age to end. but a decedent maybe. Don't discount anything in this kind of show. Kakkoi-Kun said: This just seemed like a major ass pull. It's really the only way the story so far would make any sense, but it also turns our wanna-be hero into a mass murderer who should be undeserving of our sympathy that we're going to have to end up giving to him. Ledo's utiltarian motives have always been portrayed as unsympathetic, so no asspull. Zyrusticae said: Wow, some of the replies in this thread are downright despicable. So if we actually made contact with an extraterrestrial species, it seems like there's a sizable minority of humanity that would immediately want to go to war with them just because they're not human. Disgusting! Exactly. The closet-racism in this thread is disgusting. Someone even tried to JUSTIFY genocide with "hey they look more like an animal so its okay~". Then again that's nothing new as people tried to justify getting rid of hideauze even before the twist with bullshit like "oh they have capabilities to be smart, that means they must DIE". *sigh* MAL is full of radical republicans, it seems Zyrusticae said: The Hideauze are clearly sapient beings and are obviously fighting for self-preservation, like all forms of life on Earth. Fighting for survival does not make you a monster or deserving of genocide and it sure as hell doesn't make you less than human (seeing as how that's what humanity excels at in the first place). For that matter, the fact that they are heavily modified forms of Earth fauna combined with humans does not make them monsters, either! It's amazing how many people just completely miss the point of the Hideauze being essentially heavily modified humans, which is to call your idea of what is human into question and force you to reevaluate your information (which, fortunately, a fair number of posters seem more than willing to do). For that matter, it doesn't even matter if something is merely a high-level predator or what-have-you. We must live in symbiosis with other living creatures or the natural order just completely falls apart, which you can very plainly see just by looking around you - massive extinction events all across the globe, much of it engineered plainly by humans expanding their territory without regard for the consequences to the native organisms. Even things that are quite clearly dangerous to human beings are deserving of our respect and understanding, as they often fulfill key roles in the ecosystems they inhabit. Fuck with them and, as if knocking over a row of dominoes, everything just goes to hell in a hand-basket very quickly. The factions in space are simply two opposing ideological sides locked in an endless conflict. Both of them are essentially in the wrong. There is no better side here, at least until one side finally extends an arm towards reconciliation. The series is clearly heading towards a conclusion that sees some kind of end to the conflict, but the war in outer space will likely continue to rage on off-screen even as Earth finally enters a new era of peace. What's more the episode confirmed that Hideauze are NOT predators - they life off of a freaking photosynthesis, lol. Thus they don't even NEED resources - being around the sun is enough. Which means that the ONLY reason the war is going on is because Human Alliance are space nazis(which was obvious already considering you had an utalitarian society with dominant "superior" hair and eye color, fighting a crusade against a different culture) |
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| Twist is cool and all but what's up with the majority of the show being slice of life stuff then this sudden change. Really unclear where the direction of the show is going is what I'm trying to say. :C Not many episodes left??? |
| I wouldn't consider the Hideauze as humans , even if they share our human DNA or evolved from humans. Its just like us comparing us to monkeys, we definitely share DNA, but we are vastly different. But still, I won't go out of my way to attack them for no reason on earth or in space. Its just like "oh I have a grudge against all dolphins, they must all be killed" The universe is so huge, why not just live a million light years away from each other, if the Hideauze aren't actively pursuing the humans? |
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witacume said: Fai said: Which means that the ONLY reason the war is going on is because Human Alliance are space nazis(which was obvious already considering you had an utalitarian society with dominant "superior" hair and eye color, fighting a crusade against a different culture) Wow did you not even see the episode? Starting around minute19 the Leader of the Evolvers makes a speech. About how they Continental Union is making a Worm hole Drive to Escape and leave them behind. Is this a bad thing? The Union wants to escape the solar system. Why is leaving them behind bad? Isn't the whole idea of evolvers was to survive. so they can survive in different galaxies. Wouldn't that be great? They want to spread themselves is what the leader said. The evolvers wants to conquer the galaxy, and not let the union do it. in the same speech he wants to spread the domain of the living which to him is the evolvers. So what does that make the union? the dead? The last speech by the leader totally defeats your whole idea. the whole war started exactly as I said - Continental Union fired the first shots, over the fact that Hideaze/Evolvers looked DIFFERENT and because they did not agree with their beliefs and culture. Let's make this clear - Continental Union started a war over cultural differences(without even a justification from UN), which is pretty much between cultural cleansing and genocide. As for leaving them behind? continental union was content leaving the rest of civilization on earth in inhospitable conditions, to gain a head start. Union already BEING THERE when Hideaze arrive to the place, kind of defeats the whole colonisation purpose - its a war of territory, basically, whichever side gains foothold, would cause the opposite side to be unable to colonise. And since Union's/Alliances utalitarian nazi regime philosophy, the first thing the white haired purple eyed master-race would have done afterward, would most likely be return and finish the job, if turning Earth into basically a concentration camp did not do that already. Both sides being wrong is a given, but no one can discount the fact that Alliance are Space Nazis. |
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| Sorta like Shinsekai yori. Except, that the Evolvers, AKA Hideauze, did out of their own volition... But fuck. They have sufficient "technology/adaptability" to make a giant plant-like gargantuan behemoth-thingy that fires a planet size wave motion blast. But why do the Evolvers fight the humans for? They can live in space... they can just mind their own business and live anywhere in their own little corner... Is it revenge? Or a natural instinct to kill each other off after eons of being at each others' throats? Or are the humans just trying to wipe them off cuz they don't like them and the Hideauze are just fighting back? It seems unlikely. Well, until they explain it, it seems off and sorta plothole-ish. |
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| This was a somewhat unexpected twist to be sure. While I'm sure many of us were acutely aware that the Hideauze were likely to be human creations, and the series to date clearly confirmed they were not truly malicious or necessarily dangerous without provocation. The human angle does raise eyebrows though, especially in that I can't think back to any solid hints on that - the only clear foreshadowing I noted being the "larvae" from this very episode, which clearly resembled the human fetus. It's now fairly obvious that the current war is the continuation of the fighting that broke out between the two human camps. On that, I do like how they play up that the federation's people are taught that the Hideauze are "inferior" lifeforms. Some thing just never change. Now the real question is where it goes from here. |
Genix said: Sorta like Shinsekai yori. Except, that the Evolvers, AKA Hideauze, did out of their own volition... But fuck. They have sufficient "technology/adaptability" to make a giant plant-like gargantuan behemoth-thingy that fires a planet size wave motion blast. But why do the Evolvers fight the humans for? They can live in space... they can just mind their own business and live anywhere in their own little corner... Is it revenge? Or a natural instinct to kill each other off after eons of being at each others' throats? Or are the humans just trying to wipe them off cuz they don't like them and the Hideauze are just fighting back? It seems unlikely. Well, until they explain it, it seems off and sorta plothole-ish. Its most likely the latter. 1. The ONLY times we saw the war, we had humans initiate the offensive. 2. The philosophy behind why the war is even happening seems to be that Hideaze are "lower intelligence, inferior creatures that are dangerous". Its basically no different than african or indian genocides performed by European military powers. |
AhenshihaelJun 3, 2013 12:42 AM
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| Great episode. But everyone, could you please put the Shinsekai Yori spoilers in spoiler tag? I've seen it myself, but I've been spoiled of Madoka the same exact way only to a lesser extent. |
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Aclos said: Great episode. But everyone, could you please put the Shinsekai Yori spoilers in spoiler tag? I've seen it myself, but I've been spoiled of Madoka the same exact way only to a lesser extent. I hear you. The people who didn't read the posts on the earlier pages probably didn't see me asking a person to put the SSY thing in a spoiler, in which the person did right away. But everyone after who mentioned it just mentioned without putting it in spoilers :/ I've been spoiled a few times too, like with TTGL in the SnK forums and also Code Geass (the biggest spoiler of all too)... |
| Oh chamber :( Wow, yes a bit like Shinsekai Yori's mindblown effect like many posts said Well, reality is cruel and bitter and wicked and cruel... oops did I said cruel 2x? Oh well XD Anyway it's cruel thing actually :( They still humans but but treated not like that... Please happy ending I demand it!! |
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| Mind fuck! My god that was very unexpected, and very smart. I love the theory behind this! I wonder how this show will end |
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tingy said: I hear you. The people who didn't read the posts on the earlier pages probably didn't see me asking a person to put the SSY thing in a spoiler, in which the person did right away. But everyone after who mentioned it just mentioned without putting it in spoilers :/ I've been spoiled a few times too, like with TTGL in the SnK forums and also Code Geass (the biggest spoiler of all too)... Oh yeah, I've been spoiled with TTGL too. But I'm still planning to finish it one day. But really, I don't get at all why most people think that some anime have been seen by everyone. It's not that hard to use common sense and put the spoiler in spoiler tag, that's what they are for after all... |
| Does anyone else get a very uneasy feeling about Chamber? Not just because of the killing of the humanoid hideauze in the end, but just in general this episode? |
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Zyrusticae said: Wow, some of the replies in this thread are downright despicable. So if we actually made contact with an extraterrestrial species, it seems like there's a sizable minority of humanity that would immediately want to go to war with them just because they're not human. Disgusting! The Hideauze are clearly sapient beings and are obviously fighting for self-preservation, like all forms of life on Earth. Fighting for survival does not make you a monster or deserving of genocide and it sure as hell doesn't make you less than human (seeing as how that's what humanity excels at in the first place). For that matter, the fact that they are heavily modified forms of Earth fauna combined with humans does not make them monsters, either! It's amazing how many people just completely miss the point of the Hideauze being essentially heavily modified humans, which is to call your idea of what is human into question and force you to reevaluate your information (which, fortunately, a fair number of posters seem more than willing to do). For that matter, it doesn't even matter if something is merely a high-level predator or what-have-you. We must live in symbiosis with other living creatures or the natural order just completely falls apart, which you can very plainly see just by looking around you - massive extinction events all across the globe, much of it engineered plainly by humans expanding their territory without regard for the consequences to the native organisms. Even things that are quite clearly dangerous to human beings are deserving of our respect and understanding, as they often fulfill key roles in the ecosystems they inhabit. Fuck with them and, as if knocking over a row of dominoes, everything just goes to hell in a hand-basket very quickly. The factions in space are simply two opposing ideological sides locked in an endless conflict. Both of them are essentially in the wrong. There is no better side here, at least until one side finally extends an arm towards reconciliation. The series is clearly heading towards a conclusion that sees some kind of end to the conflict, but the war in outer space will likely continue to rage on off-screen even as Earth finally enters a new era of peace. I would agree with you if this scenario was even remotely plausible. Sadly (as in because the writers are making up bogus), this could never ever happen. The creators have no idea how this kinda stuff actually work (gene tech, evolution, etc.). The Mass Effect scenario is a billion times more likely to happen. |
XartaXJun 3, 2013 3:36 AM
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AshtonClaude said: - hideauze able to adapt to space but unable to talk ? lol, that's something i'm wondering too where is the use in losing the ability to communicate with the other humans? and if they're good at adapting themselfes they could on the opposite being able to communicate with much more than only humans :/ |
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