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| As happy as I am to see Renton again you cant ignore the fact that bones has made this an absolute train wreck. The story is more confusing than ever and with only two episodes left it looks like nothing will be done proper. The next episode might as well be nothing but pure talk to explain wtf is going on but even then itll still be a waste of an episode. |
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| Like many here I was thrilled to see our boy Renton grown up, but I was also underwhelmed by how the story simply isn't convincing as a narrative anymore. People change sides without any consequence and they once again try to introduce Naru into the story when she's basically been non-existent for months. Not to mention that with every episode the Scub-Coral, Secrets, Quartz, Truth correlation is changed and one information dump after another contradicts what was said 3 episodes ago. I hope the couple of extra weeks they are going to take to do the last 2 episodes are put to good use to salvage some of the storyline. |
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Blenjar said: So conclusion is this: Renton shows up in AO's time. they kick Truth's ass. Renton can time travel thx to the gun AO will give him. AO stays in his timeline to hang out with his friends. Renton will pick up his wife Eureka and maybe come back to visit AO in his timeline. The end. close enough? I think I got this on the dot guys Yeah this is what I was expecting too. It's pretty much set up that Renton will come and save Ao, then Ao is gonna give the finishing blow. And as cool as we would like to see Ao go with Renton and Eureka, I doubt it since the main character always does something for his "friends". Anyways I think your conclusion is pretty exact. Exactly what I was thinking |
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Hokage_4 said: What was the song at the end when we saw Renton again? It will be on second ost. |
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Hokage_4 said: What was the song at the end when we saw Renton again? Believe its called "Parallel Sign" by LAMA. |
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| Renton?! that little brat changed alot. they better put a masterpiece with that month long wait of finale. |
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| gee, what a terrible voiceover |
| Any news about a Season 2 AO, or a Eureka SeveN Season 2? Eureka Seven is the best anime i've ever wacthed, but i still think they cant satisfy us with the last remaining 2 eps of AO. There must be a S2!! |
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oZi4Ever said: Any news about a Season 2 AO, or a Eureka SeveN Season 2? Eureka Seven is the best anime i've ever wacthed, but i still think they cant satisfy us with the last remaining 2 eps of AO. There must be a S2!! well, at least some of us agree that this can't be the end... the series feels like a form of information jumbled together without development. i want more... |
Dangerr said: a_guest said: So all BONES had to do is show 5 minutes from ep15 (I'm not sure when Eureka appeared), and last 5 minutes of episode 22. And that's all everybody scream and get very glad and other this sort of things. And it is actually does not matter, that all the show is rubbish, story line sent to hell and so on, and so on... So why were you watching this show? For a couple of pictures or to see actual story about Eureka, Renton and their teammates. Or maybe something related to them, in a good story? All these YEAH - things sound some kind of... well i do not want to hurt anyone, but it sounds really stupid. The show is crap even without comparing with the original E7. (Please do not start any "hater" discussions) I understand what you're trying to say, and principally, I agree with you on this point; a few fan-pandering moments cannot magically make a show good, or intrinsically increase its quality (it's the same producers bringing you these moments, for God's sake). Where we disagree, however, is that the "entire show is crap". It's been very uneven, but I'd go so far as to call it "good" at this point, from a uniform perspective. You and many others' expectations have utterly destroyed any capacity to view the show on a level of desired objectivity, and seemingly fail to see the various good aspects (paired along side the numerous problematic ones). The most uneven point of the show is its characterization, and with that, I'll agree; its propensity to randomly switch its focus on character development without any immediately noticeable arcs can be jarring and confusing; something that's made people have trouble empathizing with the characters, which is a fair point. Look past the presentation, however, and there's been a fair amount of good development for the principal cast (though not as much for Ivica and Gazelle; I've been pretty disappointed on that front). The second great problem of this show is that it's CONVOLUTED as all hell, and unless you're really absorbed into the story, it must be hell to follow; all the more so if you're a newcomer to the franchise - this is an objective flaw of the series, and as much as I personally love discussing the convolusion, it makes for weak storytelling. Despite these major shortcomings, however, I'm able to derive a substantial amount of enjoyment from it; not only as a fan of the franchise, but that of the series. It all comes down to your ability to oversee these shortcomings, and appreciate it for what it is, and what it's trying to do. It's understandable that not all people are able to see over these hurdles, nor should they, necessarily, but I would ask that people don't deride others for their capacity to enjoy and be entertained by this, admittedly, flawed work. I'm always glad to come on here and see your posts each week. You're one of the only people I feel like really is looking at this show in the right and fair way. Too many fans have been simply hating because it isn't the same as the original, nor has it had the same cast (or enough of the two characters from it). It's the same old comparison to the original problem so many people do in all mediums and it drives me nuts. No doubt this show has definitely had its faults in characters and story telling however. But they haven't been bad enough to judge this show as 'trash' since there has been plenty of good elements alongside these faults. I feel like one of the main things that most people have overlooked is actually the focus on general relationships in this show. While the original had a huge focus on romance, Ao instead has focused on family, friendships, and political relations. Hell the whole political element has been at the core of this show and yet no one seems to acknowledge it ever. But it makes a lot of sense with the world in Ao being our world, just in a more futuristic and fictional version. Also, this show is definitely better than a lot of the crap that comes out these days. Even the writing with its flaws it still far more thought out and better done than some of the popular shows (I'm looking at you Sword Art Online). It seems like unless your a comedy or a non-sequel you can be overlooked, but once you have comparisons that can be made to an original, prepare for the worst. |
| I'm waiting to see that three seat cockpit of Nirvash they showed in that trippy episode way back when. They reintroduced the Naru and AO match up like it was nothing, I was like what the heck? |
Vuyo said: I'm waiting to see that three seat cockpit of Nirvash they showed in that trippy episode way back when. They reintroduced the Naru and AO match up like it was nothing, I was like what the heck? That was the personnel-transport craft that docks with the Triton; since it was essentially a dream sequence in episode 7, in his mind, he suddenly began "thinking" he was in the Nirvash, as often happens in the strange manner of dreams, so the crafts "switched". |
| Wow, so much E7 Ao hate going on in here. First of all, for those of you that are fans of the first series and don't like how this series is "bastardizing" the first series, boo-frickity-hoo! This series has it's own plot and it's own characters. I honestly don't think the characters for Ao are really that bad. Of course, many of them aren't as likable, but think about it guys. Eureka Seven was a 50 episode series. Ao is a 24 episode series. I'm willing to bet if they cut the original E7 anime in half, I'd be willing to bet that series' character development wouldn't have been as good either. We probably wouldn't have seen so much of the back story about the characters, such as the back story revolving around Holland, Talho, and Diane. In my own opinion, E7 Ao's characters aren't THAT bad. I do like the chemistry Ao, Elena, and Fleur have between each other. However, yes, I agree that there aren't as many "likable" characters as there were in E7. You'll also notice that there isn't that sense of friendship and camaraderie with the crew because the situation in E7 Ao is much more tense. They aren't a bunch of hippies flying around trying to avoid the army. Secondly, Ao is much more plot driven and focuses more on the political aspect than the character aspect. I'd also argue that the original series had a much more lighthearted tone to it whereas this one is a little darker. To compare the two series is completely ludicrous because you can tell from the tone that Bones had a far different plan with Ao than it's prequel. Thirdly, I look at E7 Ao through the characters' perspective. THEY...DO NOT...KNOW what is going on! THEY...ARE...TRYING...TO FIGURE...OUT...just like we are! I see so much bickering about "this is so confusing, I don't understand what's going on! There are so many plot holes!"...actually, not really. People are complaining that they can't explain everything that's going on in two episodes. I'm willing to bet they can. All it takes is one thing to be clarified and then everything can fall into place. Trust me. I've seen animes like E7 Ao before and while I have seen my fair share that don't clarify everything by the end, I've also seen animes that CAN clear up everything in the last two episodes and still have a strong conclusion. I'm going to wait until it's all over before I cry, "bullshit! This was a stupid series!" Why am I getting the sense that the REAL reason why a lot of people don't like Ao is because there's no "love story" between Ao and Naru like there was between Renton and Eureka? Seriously, that does not bother me at all...and if you look at my list of favorite animes, you'll know that romance animes are my favorites. There isn't that "love at first sight" chemistry between Ao and Naru like there was between Renton and Eureka...or any chemistry for that matter. Even Ao in this last episode said he views Naru as more of an "older sister." THAT should tell you something right there. I guess the best advice I can give you guys is to chill the fuck out. Yes, we have to wait 2 months for the final 2 episodes. I have no problem with that. Yes, there's a lot of unanswered questions. We still have 2 episodes left, give it a chance. If you've hated watching E7 since episode 14 or whatever, then why the hell are you still watching? It sounds like to me some people are just going out of their way to hate the series because it's too different from the original. Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think it's a little prejudice against the series considering you're judging it before it's even finished. I've learned WAY too many times to NEVER judge an anime before it's completed. I've been burned way too many times by coming to premature evaluations about a series and then get slapped with a big ol' stick of epic in the final episodes. |
velcom said: No doubt this show has definitely had its faults in characters and story telling however. But they haven't been bad enough to judge this show as 'trash' since there has been plenty of good elements alongside these faults. I feel like one of the main things that most people have overlooked is actually the focus on general relationships in this show. While the original had a huge focus on romance, Ao instead has focused on family, friendships, and political relations. Hell the whole political element has been at the core of this show and yet no one seems to acknowledge it ever. But it makes a lot of sense with the world in Ao being our world, just in a more futuristic and fictional version. Also, this show is definitely better than a lot of the crap that comes out these days. Even the writing with its flaws it still far more thought out and better done than some of the popular shows (I'm looking at you Sword Art Online). It seems like unless your a comedy or a non-sequel you can be overlooked, but once you have comparisons that can be made to an original, prepare for the worst. When company like BONES, announces something, that is called Sequel of "Original Show", comparison is the first thing that is going to happen. They could call it different - spin-off, parallel story or create a new term, but they took responsibility and called it a Sequel. So this show actually can not be observed as a separate story. As for the storyline itself- they have added too many ingredients, but could not balance them in a good manner, so we have a badly mixed cocktail, which looks pretty but tastes not so good. |
a_guestSep 30, 2012 1:35 AM
a_guest said: velcom said: No doubt this show has definitely had its faults in characters and story telling however. But they haven't been bad enough to judge this show as 'trash' since there has been plenty of good elements alongside these faults. I feel like one of the main things that most people have overlooked is actually the focus on general relationships in this show. While the original had a huge focus on romance, Ao instead has focused on family, friendships, and political relations. Hell the whole political element has been at the core of this show and yet no one seems to acknowledge it ever. But it makes a lot of sense with the world in Ao being our world, just in a more futuristic and fictional version. Also, this show is definitely better than a lot of the crap that comes out these days. Even the writing with its flaws it still far more thought out and better done than some of the popular shows (I'm looking at you Sword Art Online). It seems like unless your a comedy or a non-sequel you can be overlooked, but once you have comparisons that can be made to an original, prepare for the worst. When company like BONES, announces something, that is called Sequel of "Original Sow", comparison is the first thing that is going to happen. They could call it different - spin-off, parallel story or create a new term, but they took responsibility and called it a Sequel. So this show actually can not be observed as a separate story. As for the storyline itself- they have added too many ingredients, but could not balance them in a good manner, so we have a badly mixed cocktail, which looks pretty but tastes not so good. Well, if you take E7 Ao's plot into consideration, it is pretty hard to classify it as a "prequel, sequel, or side story." The story is just so unique that when put into comparison with it's predecessor, I can understand why BONES would have some hesitancy to call it anything other than a sequel. You can't really call it a prequel even though it technically takes place in the past in comparison to the original series' setting. You can't really call it a side story because it's pretty obvious that they are connected. You can even have a hard time calling it a sequel because it's so indirect with it's predecessor. All things considered, I think "sequel" was the right label for this series. |
| These last few minutes where one of the best sequences of this show, the atmosphere, the music and some bad as Renton, yay! Well, but it totally outclassed the events before Why wasn't that included earlier, instead of the plot idle ling around boring teenage characters. |
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| Oi, was adult renton's VA the same as Holland? Oh fuck you then renton you suck1!!!!!!. I hated that retard! guuuuh, Other than that i only enjoyed the part with the fake ear thingis, |
DarkRyuuseiSep 30, 2012 10:55 AM
| Series is ridicules, but I wanna finish it. Truth becoming more of a shitty main villain antagonist, than before. What with these cartoony animation of him anyways? Now Anemone from season 1 was not the mastermind, but she was still a better antagonist than Truth was. Bugs Bunny Truth >_<  |
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the_trainman said: triforcebih said: You saw those 2 corpses ? They might be Eureka and Ao... Just dead and in a different timeline *shivers* ^ Definitely familiar characters (by the hair...style... Eureka and Ao very likely) end up dead in loads of timelines and Renton has seen it again & again & again... Before Renton shoots his entrance (lol) the wreckage looks like Gekko, so maybe when Eureka is sent in the abandoned Gekko, she manages to find Ao (again, in many timelines) and they get dead no matter what. Renton wants to find a timeline where they'll obviously live and the world doesn't get pwned along the way. That's so true. I just noticed. Nice little touch by whoever thought of adding that in the story there. But shit that's so messed up.... poor Renton... imagine seeing your own kid killed with your wife countless times through all those multiverses of total destruction o.O And, fuck you, world, for the two month wait. |
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Dangerr said: Indeed, Ao seems to be ending in November. The franchise as a whole, however? I still can't see it happening; not with the amount of information they have to address. Unless, again, we get a RETCANNON ending (UGH). As for the episode, even without Renton, I enjoyed it; Truth as a villain can't compete with Dewey, but I think they've relegated him nicely to a role that doesn't require ample amounts of depth in order to be decent, which is just a violent force of nature (one of the only compromises that could make me take him more seriously as a character, at this point). While I also enjoyed Ao and Naru's exchange, it was so meta, it was almost painful. Now, for the speculations: I thought episodes 7, 11, 12, and 16 threw me for a loop, but they have nothing on this. Now, I'm going to make a tidy list to organize my thoughts here, as there's a BUNCH of conflicting elements to take account of. * Phantom-Eureka clearly hails from the first series' PoP universe; everything we all know and loved, she experienced, and has her memories of. * Conversely, Renton's future does not seem to be that of PoP; it's either one that was created from the time-fuckery that the Scub Coral has inflicted on the past, or even possibly, that of the movie's universe (which is certainly part of the multiverse the franchise has established). Also, a lack of heart-moon, as seen when the "Seven Swell" is going skyward. * Another observation, are the multiple "Northern Light" phenomenons that can be seen strewn across the landscape of 12021 AD; a phenomenon directly revealed to have happened after Ao destroyed the Vester Plant. Perhaps hinting that the Quartz Cannon is used many times afterwards, or something that causes similar phenomenons? Also: it specified that the ruined city he was investigating was New York City, which did NOT exist in PoP's universe. * Hints are starting to emerge about the true nature of the Scub Coral; we've more or less known since the first series that the Scub Coral is merely a hyper-evolved mutation brought upon terrestrial coral from some sort of extraterrestrial element (Think: The Andromeda Strain, by Michael Crichton). Nothing substantative was revealed this episode, but I like the direction that it's seemingly taking - maybe there's more to its origins than a simple assimilative life form drifting through space (engineered, perhaps?). I kind of hope to learn more about the primordial origins of the Scub, and before it had started assimilating - what it is at its CORE. If they choose to keep that a mystery as well, however, I'm also fine with that. * Now, what dialogue we did get from Truth this episode, it confounds me; he mentions coming from a world where there are no Secrets, and nothing is powered or exploited by the Scub Coral, but that sounds suspiciously like pre-Scub, PoP EARTH. Given that he was born as a Secret, this is disconcerting; something is clearly fucking with his mind, and I doubt it's just "Kanon", or "Cannon". I'm sure I'll have more later, but as for the episode itself, I enjoyed it greatly. I'm just not sure about how it fits into the series / franchise at this point. As for the glimpse we got of "Renton"? I have no idea what to think of it yet; I'll have to see what's next to decide whether I like, dislike, or hate it. A nice little reference they put in: Renton picking up the toy that he loved as a kid; the one he reminisced over, conversing with Eureka in episode 15 of PoP. Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags for large images. I love all your posts. They are really well thought out and quite enjoyable to read. Nice to actually see people giving in-depth thoughts rather than, "NO RENTON THIS EPISODE? THIS SERIES IS SHIT!" or "NO EUREKA THIS EPISODE? THIS SERIES IS SHIT!" |
| was that Rinton? if so he looks bad ass and OP |
| jesus fucking christ took them long enough -_- |
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Lolnut said: Watch E7 ep 51 or E7AO ep 0...It kinda explains where they are going with the plot. Basically, the scub coral started to disappear from the primary timeline. For whatever reason, this was putting everybody in danger so Eureka had to go and find a way to retrieve 7 shards that we saw get scattered at the end of the E7PoP series. The details are very vague and the Prelude episode doesn't do a very good job of explaining too much but it does give some support for why there are these timelines. It would appear the Scub Coral are travelling through time of course...why they are doing this is anybody's guess. Towards the end of E7AO ep 0 though Eureka says to Renton that he needs to come find her should she become lost...which ironically happens and she gets mixed up in these timelines haphazardly. So I think the primary plot behind this whole series is really, finding out what happened to Eureka, which we have, and then getting her back...which I expect will happen in these last coming two episodes. At the very core the story hasn't gone too far from this concept. Ao has always been wondering what happened to his mom as have we. We want to see her in the series so bad but it was never really "her". Renton intends to keep his promise of course as he is going to go get her now because the chance has so graciously presented itself in the form of that seven swell...................thats about all I can take from the plot in its base elements. Goal: Find out what happened to Eureka and get her back.... It's been 100% confirmed that Episode 51, or "New Order" is in no way related to AO or PoP's canon; it's merely an alternate ending to the first series, and that's it. Diridum said: This is also where I get confused because of Eureka returning to visit Ao, not knowing that it was her son while she was pregnant with his apparent older sister? At this point my mind really starts to wander. Since I basically watched Ao transported from one scub to another in epi.22, What if Eureka's first child was killed in the disaster that has happened in the future, and her post-ao self tried to also bring her first-pregnant self back to salvage her daughter like she did Ao? [Oh hai grandpa, Here's my other kid]. I don't know, That's really confusing as fuck, but It's an attempt at explaining that. I sincerely hope that the writer's find a way to glue those scenarios together. In episodes 13-14, the Eureka you're seeing is her first experience leaping into the past, with her second experience being 13 years prior, when she gave birth to Ao. That's why she didn't recognize her son, and why she was pregnant with a different child. So, yeah, when one really looks hard at what's going on, she actually requested Endo to protect her son, knowing full-well that 13 years in the future he was going to die for his sake. Pretty messed up paradox, eh? |
DangerrOct 1, 2012 2:56 PM
| Renton That's what made this episode Fucking Renton. Yes. |
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| Yes!!! Renton is back! Now you can do away with Ao. The REAL protagonist is back. Please kill truth already, Renton. Apparently in a different world from his own. It kinda confused me at first to see scubs. LOL Naru Though I wish they didn't try to finish the show in 2 episodes. EDIT: My view on things: 1-Scub coral found a way to travel dimensions to survive (as stated in ep50 of the first series). 2-It went to Ao's time (the second world). I think Renton is in the future on Ao's world, considering there's a NY and no message on the moon. 3-Secrets are sent from ??? to stop it from changing things. |
BatoKusanagiOct 1, 2012 11:50 PM
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| Renton. I'm smiling! But seriously, this sequel is so confusing!! I remember the time I watched Eureka Seven, I found it confusing too but not this confusing. Anyway, let's just wait for the last two episodes and see if it makes more sense to me. |
| Best part of the episode was at the end...... 5/5 |
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bastek66 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- He's back Yessss you're back, okay maybe the wait could be worth it !!!! |
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| I hope Ao really views Naru as a sister, cause...I just don't see it. It they end up together...its gonna suck. She's been gone for almost the whole series...and what the hell was up with those fake ears...so stupid... Loved the ending..finally his father shows up, and he looks pretty cool now all grown up. |
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SephiriAzure said: I hope Ao really views Naru as a sister, cause...I just don't see it. It they end up together...its gonna suck. She's been gone for almost the whole series...and what the hell was up with those fake ears...so stupid... Yea seriously this made no sense. If they do make Ao and Naru end up together that will suck. Great episode, gotta love that ending. Renton :D Nirvash :D Seven Swell :D |
Any one else notice this? Not really sure if it is significant or just a reference..... |
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MyFriendSam said: Any one else notice this? Not really sure if it is significant or just a reference..... What ship is that? Never watched movie. Loved this episode, Renton is back and I can rejoice, even though there is only 2 episodes left T-T.. |
TyrelOct 2, 2012 2:03 PM
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| Why last 18 episodes couldn't be like last few minutes of this episode? All this crap with Ao and the rest is so lame without Eureka and when Renton appears, he steals the show. |
MyFriendSam said: Any one else notice this? Not really sure if it is significant or just a reference..... I hope they are not trying to combine The E7 series and the movie, which I did not watch, to avoid disappointment. There was a good idea to make people of real world (us) a kind of parallel world, to the action in AO (remember Yohanson's book). But this idea failed I think. Now they may try to boost interest to the movie, because I guess interest to the original E7 is boosted already. It's all about money... Bring Dai Sato back for these 2 episodes... |
vansonbee said: Bugs Bunny Truth >_< This. Truth is now hilariously bad. But adult Renton looks really badass. It's the white patch of hair trick. Always works. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Is that a mecha Xam'd that Renton is flying now? And that mother and child... Maybe it's Talho...... A month's wait eh... Hmmmmm, one E7 Psalms of the Planets episode per day till then I suppose. |
| As some of you suggested, I don't think we have anything following movie story line in AO. Also, I submit to the "Renton world-travelling" theory and that the corpses in the last 3-4 minutes of Ep 22 should be Eureka and Ao from another world line where coral did in some way destroy the world. But what is mind fucking me is about this "Ao's sister" idea; - If Eureka did have first a girl, that would mean that she didn't directly jumped from her first coming in the past (meeting Ao) to 13 years before (giving birth to Ao). But, at some time in the previous Eps, I think I was pretty sure that she directly jumped (This makes sense if you submit to the previous "corpses = Eureka + Ao" theory) - If Eureka did have two childs, why is there only one child's corpse in the last few minutes of this Ep22 ? If the serie was really going into "two childs born from Renton and Eureka", the storywriters would have definitly showed us two child's corpses. So, what is it in the end ? Did she only mistakly believe what was her child's gender ? |
| Magic moment when Renton finally showed up but I don't approve using Holland's voice actor for him, that's just stupid. The rest was quite the mess, the whole Naru x Ao thing was awkward, guess they are shipping them. I liked the crazy Truth's facial expressions. |
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