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..... About that... ISN'T WHY WE HAVE THE FIRST HALF OF EPISODE 13?!?! BECAUSE THIS SHOW IS NOT EVA, WHERE THEY CAN EXPECT THE FANS SPOT ALL CHARACTER'S FLAWS AND PARTS! THIS IS SAO! WHERE A LARGE PART OF FANS ARE MMORPG PLAYERS, ESCAPISTS, AND KIDS! Because obviously crying while charging to her death is "no hint". (Seems like most people didn't catch it... Oh yeah... They only see the dual wield... And obviously they forgot about the part where Asuna cling on to Kirito, crying for a very long time.) As much as I dislike SAO's overall writing, I actually applaud them for dropping so many hints on Asuna's character. Uh Like said, it was obvious that she's the over-emotional type...that proves nothing on her superb dependency. Several females in anime are over-emotional (Even Claire from Claymore is), does that make her dependent? No. (and she's had several charges of death) This is something you expect from a character like say Misa from Death note..or from someone who has truly lead a hellish life (like casca from berserk). Asuna has no real reason to be this dependent other than for the sake of being a pathetic moe character. I didn't gloss over it. He was shocked, because his GF is saying she'd quit life if he is to die. He didn't take her along because he didn't want her to kill herself, he take her along because he know he's been very narrow. PLUS ASUNA SUPPOSED TO GO WITH HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE! Then she reminded him they are in SAO Where quitting progress = quit life (Arguably, this also stand true in real life) Yes the fisher obviously quit life, or did this anime forget the first part of the episode? (considering it spent time praising his life style, and it's obvious he has no motivation to further progess in the game). No it seemed more like he was shocked because he was scared he would lose her. It glossed over it because he didn't talk to Asuna about not saying things like that...you just don't gloss over stuff like that. If this was Naruto even Naruto would punch sakura in the face for saying anything like that haha. But yes obviously everyone who is not helping to progress through the game has obviously given up on life and should just kill themselves am I right? In fact I thought the point of this show was that there wasn't suppose to be any real differences between real life and SAO. So yeah...not sure where your going with that. And if you bring up the "our bodies have a time limit" is total made up bs. Coma patients can last upward to 30 years (probably because that time they would be dead regardless), the author was insane for making that a plot point. |
hyperknees91Sep 30, 2012 3:00 AM
| This is getting good and when that happen usually a wtf moment happens, so let see what it is. |
| Oh yeah dat skull reaper o/ That's what I call a boss. |
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Uh Like said, it was obvious that she's the over-emotional type...that proves nothing on her superb dependency. Several females in anime are over-emotional (Even Claire from Claymore is), does that make her dependent? No. (and she's had several charges of death) Overly-emotional... Yeah, maybe you can see it like that. I could answer this very easily... But this is so stupid I don't feel like answering at all... So I'll just say.... WATCH THE DAMN EPISODE AGAIN! Especially the part before they left floor 22! Yes the fisher obviously quit life, or did this anime forget the first part of the episode? (considering it spent time praising his life style, and it's obvious he has no motivation to further progess in the game). No it seemed more like he was shocked because he was scared he would lose her. It glossed over it because he didn't talk to Asuna about not saying things like that...you just don't gloss over stuff like that. If this was Naruto even Naruto would punch sakura in the face for saying anything like that haha. The fisher did stated that he did quit. (Re-watch if you need) The difference between Naruto and Kirito is... Naruto never run away... He have every right to punch Sakura Kirito haven't stopped running... Asuna told him to not run. HE HAVE NO RIGHT TO HIT ASUNA! If Kirito hit Asuna then, then he is a small, puny coward of a man. Because he can't accept that fact that he's running and Asuna is stopping him. Think about it for a bit. |
AirStylesSep 30, 2012 3:04 AM
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| The first 2/3 of the episode were complete shit, but that boss fight was pretty cool... cg was decent at least. So yeah hopefully this boss just kills them all so this anime can end >_> or better yet it kills everyone except Kirito so he can actually experience some frikin growth in this show and become a decent char. |
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Overly-emotional... Yeah, maybe you can see it like that. Or you could... WATCH THE DAMN EPISODE AGAIN?! enlighten me, until this episode where was it pointed out that she was so dependent that she would be considered to be suicidal. The fisher did stated that he did quit. (Re-watch if you need) The difference between Naruto and Kirito is... Naruto never run-away... He have every right to punch Sakura Kirito haven't stopped running... Asuna told him to not run. HE HAVE NO RIGHT TO HIT ASUNA! If Kirito hit Asuna then, then he is a small, puny coward of a man. Because he can't accept that fact that he's running and Asuna is stopping him. Think about it for a bit. The fisher seems to live just fine, he quit on the game but he's still enjoying life (like they said). I really don't see the difference. Asuna is equally as cowardish for using such an underhanded method to get him to stop running, so yes his action would still be justified. It would be like if in Steins;Gate if Kurisu got Okabe to stop running from the problem at hand by saying she would kill herself. That would be absurd, but no she convinces him by simple talking (despite much heavier and absolute consequences). |
hyperknees91Sep 30, 2012 3:09 AM
hyperknees91 said: enlighten me, until this episode where was it pointed out that she was so dependent that she would be considered to be suicidal. Wow... Why am I even doing this... Oh wellz There is no "ONE SCENE" where it reveal that she'll kill herself if Kirito is to die, you have to pick up her character through numerous hints. This is not a typical Shounen like Dragon Ball. Off the top of my head... Go back and watch... Episode 2.(Her character) Episode 5.(Her tantrum) Episode 8.(The build-up) Episode 9.(Dependance) Episode 10... 11... 12... Besides 6, she almost always have a part of her character revealed... EDIT: Oh wait, my bad... 6 actually revealed a little about her too, though it's only positive stuff Are we seriously watching the same show here? Or is dual wielding all you remember? Asuna is equally as cowardish for using such an underhanded method to get him to stop running, so yes his action would still be justified. She didn't use it as an underhanded method. Because even she herself do not know what she might do if Kirito is to die. (Episode 9) Please... next time when you're watching a show... Do pay attention to smaller, mundane details. I don't even like SAO that much and I pick those up. P/S Hold on... Ah... you're a shounen watcher... Made sense, made sense... Watch more character driven show, like Tamayura, Aria, Natsume Yuujinchou, Kobato etc etc. Or show that require you do do more thinking... Like Serial Experiment Lain Shigofumi Re-watch K-On! and try and notice the simple changes in Yui... or you can try NGE again. You'll learn to pick up small details. Believe me, having this habit while watching on-going shows do add a lot to the enjoyment. |
AirStylesSep 30, 2012 3:25 AM
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Wow... Why am I even doing this... Oh wellz Go back and watch... Episode 2.(Her character) Episode 5.(Her tantrum) Episode 8.(The build-up) Episode 9.(Dependance) Episode 10... 11... 12... Besides 6, she almost always have a part of her character revealed... Are we seriously watching the same show here? Or is dual wielding all you remember? Episode 2: This shows her being completely out of character and she never acts like this again, making her just seem like a jarring character from the get go. If she ever acted like this again IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. Episode 5: Her being a tsundere proves nothing Episode 8: The build up? The build up of her being a tsundere? Episode 9: Yes that's dependence, too bad her relationship that got her to that point came out of nowhere. Episode 10, 11, 12: This shows her being lovey dovey and attached but not so dependent that her life depended on Kirito (mayber her happiness but not her life). So yeah if you don't catch the drift, being suicidal is a deeeeep psychological issue. I'm not saying their aren't hints of her being dependent, but they over-exaggerate the weakness of her character with how little they've ended up giving you. She didn't use it as an underhanded method. Because even she herself do not know what she might do if Kirito is to die. (Episode 9) Please... next time when you're watching a show... Do pay attention to smaller, mundane details. I don't even like SAO that much and I pick those up. P/S Hold on... Ah... you're a shounen watcher... Made sense, made sense... Watch more character driven show, like Tamayura, Aria, Mushishi, Natsume Yuujinchou. You'll learn to pick up small details. How is saying you better let me or I'll kill myself not an underhanded method? Who can say no to that? And yes I've watched all those shows, and they are actually well written and have actual consistency with their characters. Don't compare this show to Mushishi, it shouldn't even be in the same sentence. Let's face it...even friggin berserk takes issues like suicide and death more seriously than SAO. (Even HOTD takes it more seriously, which is frankly just sad). I compared this show to other shounen shows because that's what it is... |
hyperknees91Sep 30, 2012 3:30 AM
| Seems the action is back into SAO and it has left us on a real cliffhanger... |
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hyperknees91 said: Episode 5: Her being a tsundere proves nothing So... you resort to use a word that you don't even know... ... I give up. Go back and watch Naruto or Dragon Ball. I'm wasting my time here. For the record, I never compared this to Mushishi. I'm merely stating that it's a nice show to watch, and a good anime to see deeper characters. "You better let me or I'll kill myself"? Go back and rewatch, I'm getting sick of this. "I compared this show to other shounen shows because that's what it is..." Great. A shounen show can't even be smart now? Congratulation... You almost convinced me that you're a troll.. And I'm not going to reply any further. Because exchanging comments with a monkey is a waste of time |
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AirStyles said: hyperknees91 said: Episode 5: Her being a tsundere proves nothing So... you resort to use a word that you don't even know... ... I give up. Go back and watch Naruto or Dragon Ball. I'm wasting my time here. For the record, I never compared this to Mushishi. I'm merely stating that it's a nice show to watch, and a good anime to see deeper characters. "You better let me or I'll kill myself"? Go back and rewatch, I'm getting sick of this. "I compared this show to other shounen shows because that's what it is..." Great. A shounen show can't even be smart now? Congratulation... You almost convinced me that you're a troll.. And I'm not going to reply any further. Because exchanging comments with a monkey is a waste of time For the record I do watch mostly seinens so yeah you need to stop assuming things. And I think the guy who is first to insult is a bit more trollish no? |
hyperknees91Sep 30, 2012 3:41 AM
| That was one heck of a monster! I'm so excited to see how they'll deal with the Skull Reaper. XD |
| Looks like the Aincrad Arc is nearly over. Can't wait till Fairy Dance :D |
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| For the first time for this series i really want to see the next episode already. The excitement in the end was fabulous ~ Going to be a long fight. Changed ranking from 9 to 10 cause of this episode : ) |
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Lylaaz said: For the first time for this series i really want to see the next episode already. Surprisingly me too Good things of this episode: Heathcliff (man, Heathcliff rules) Kajiura's music (the OST it's the best thing this anime have) The fight Bad things of this episode: Cheap drama everywhere (zZzZzZz) |
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| Oh boy, the bad-ass centipede is here. I liked the old man in the fishing part too, ahh, old Japanese men! |
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| I think this was the best fight so far. |
| Really sweet first half! Then.. Back to action! That boss was really badass. Can't wait for the next ep! |
| Kirito and Asuna are shit characters and I don't care about their stupid online relationship. I wish more emphasis would be put on the mechanics of SAO and the boss fights. |
| Finally some decent action there.. Kinda curious with the LN but too lazy to read em all lol.. |
| Keep moving forward |
| This episode was awesome. Love the little romance parts especially when they were in the bed saying how much they care for each other and how at the knights HQ where Asuna said she would wanna be with Kirito forever. I hope they defeat that Reaper thing it looks so badass especially with 5 life bars. |
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| Allow me to give you a spoiler, for those who didn't read the light novel. WARNING: Do not open the spoiler if you don't wanna know what will happen in the next episode, no matter how tempting it may be!! Don't say I didn't warn you!!! So is the spoiler too much for you? |
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KingofConquerors said: i hope After reading that, I don't even remember what I imagined it to be when I first read it. |
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ShoutaAzuma said: Allow me to give you a spoiler, for those who didn't read the light novel. WARNING: Do not open the spoiler if you don't wanna know what will happen in the next episode. Don't say I didn't warn you!!! What was the purpose of this?Nobody asked the entire content of the next ep. |
ssjokg said: ShoutaAzuma said: Allow me to give you a spoiler, for those who didn't read the light novel. WARNING: Do not open the spoiler if you don't wanna know what will happen in the next episode. Don't say I didn't warn you!!! What was the purpose of this? For those who are too tempting to open the spoiler. Just a small psychological test. |
ShoutaAzumaSep 30, 2012 5:44 AM
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| Welp! After much thought, this was the episode that made me drop SAO. Too much drama and femininity going on here between both the hero and heroine. I'm sick of Asuna crying every episode, and I'm sick of Kirito having absolutely no flaws, which makes him quite the unlikable character imo. With the money invested in the anime, it had potential... But now it's time that I parted with it for good. Wish I could say it's been real SAO, but... it wasn't. :P Maybe I'll pick it up in a few years when I've got nothing better to do. |
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Gatwick said: Welp! After much thought, this was the episode that made me drop SAO. Too much drama and femininity going on here between both the hero and heroine. I'm sick of Asuna crying every episode, and I'm sick of Kirito having absolutely no flaws, which makes him quite the unlikable character imo. With the money invested in the anime, it had potential... But now it's time that I parted with it for good. Wish I could say it's been real SAO, but... it wasn't. :P Maybe I'll pick it up in a few years when I've got nothing better to do. He does have flaws. This episode single-handedly showed that he is actually quite weak and vulnerable. He even suggested running away from the front lines, is that something a strong person would do? |
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| The amount of idiotic shallow kids who expect 7575785758 fights per episode and are calling character development a "filler" sadden me very much so... Anyway... Another uber awesome episode. its fascinating to see the different mentalities of people stuck in this environment for two years and just as I guessed, this pretty much proves Kirito and Asuna's emotional bond helpiing them to retain their sanity. Kirito's freak out was enjoyable. it added even more flaws to his character and showed that he is NOT perfect, making him even more relatable and interesting. Bunns said: Kirito and Asuna are shit characters and I don't care about their stupid online relationship. I wish more emphasis would be put on the mechanics of SAO and the boss fights. Wrong genre. Bleach, Naruto and the likes are that way, sir. Gatwick said: Too much drama and femininity going on here between both the hero and heroine. Because god forbid for main characters to have emotions. and I'm sick of Kirito having absolutely no flaws, which makes him quite the unlikable character imo. Yeah, let's forget about a gazillion flaws Kirito has already displayed including in this very episode. With the money invested in the anime, it had potential... But now it's time that I parted with it for good. Wish I could say it's been real SAO, but... it wasn't. :P Maybe I'll pick it up in a few years when I've got nothing better to do. yes, I am sure that kitsch like Accel World and K-ON , was far superior to you. Good luck and please don't come back. bottosai-01 said: The first 2/3 of the episode were complete shit, but that boss fight was pretty cool... cg was decent at least. Oh yes, character development OBVIOUSLy is "complete shit". Kirito so he can actually experience some frikin growth in this show and become a decent char. you mean the thing he has been doing for last 12 episodes or so? Smileeyface said: The way SAO is going, its genre tags need to be changed. + shounen Girls? Check. Sword-fighting? Check. One-man army? Check. Love-overcomes-all-odds? Check. Overpowered ability unique only to protagonist? Check. ...and the list goes on. oh so you mean Berserk is Shounen genre too then? Sorry, kid, you have no idea how genres work. Also saying that its shounen genre JUST because it includes female characters is utterly misogynistic. |
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| just watch and Nice Episode. Kirito has really weird facial expressions and actions in the beginning of the episode was funny. He is completely different from the previous episode lol. Nice to warm up the story and I liked but did not too. from the title of the next eps seemed very serious and challenging. |
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Obstinate said: He does have flaws. This episode single-handedly showed that he is actually quite weak and vulnerable. He even suggested running away from the front lines, is that something a strong person would do? OH NOES, he totally suggested such a thing. It doesn't matter if he soloes every fucking monster, player and admin afterwards because he suggested that. He is soo laid-back, cool and amazing!!!!111 ...this is pseudo-characterization. Until we are SHOWN actual flaws, Kirito's own words are worth shit. And the only thing I - and many other people - see right now is MMO Jesus who can only loose to people who cheat themselves - only to win later anyway, because well - he is MMO Jesus. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| Glad they finally were like whats happening to our bodies. Been waiting for them to touch on this more. Wish they would have more earth shattering realizations about whats happening. It's been years you would think something more would be happening. |
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Nidhoeggr said: Obstinate said: He does have flaws. This episode single-handedly showed that he is actually quite weak and vulnerable. He even suggested running away from the front lines, is that something a strong person would do? OH NOES, he totally suggested such a thing. It doesn't matter if he soloes every fucking monster, player and admin afterwards because he suggested that. He is soo laid-back, cool and amazing!!!!111 ...this is pseudo-characterization. Until we are SHOWN actual flaws, Kirito's own words are worth shit. And the only thing I - and many other people - see right now is MMO Jesus who can only loose to people who cheat themselves - only to win later anyway, because well - he is MMO Jesus. Technically he could be super OP and still have a bunch of flaws. Take Casshern in Casshern Sins (Even more OP then Kirito but tonsss of flaws). I think the problem is his only real flaw is that he doesn't trust people enough, which isn't really shown strongly because he still socializes and helps them out enough. This in line with his boring personality just makes him a shallow character. Though at the very least Asuna shows that she has plenty of flaws at this point..yeah and she needs to be thrown out of the show haha. |
hyperknees91 said: Nidhoeggr said: Obstinate said: He does have flaws. This episode single-handedly showed that he is actually quite weak and vulnerable. He even suggested running away from the front lines, is that something a strong person would do? OH NOES, he totally suggested such a thing. It doesn't matter if he soloes every fucking monster, player and admin afterwards because he suggested that. He is soo laid-back, cool and amazing!!!!111 ...this is pseudo-characterization. Until we are SHOWN actual flaws, Kirito's own words are worth shit. And the only thing I - and many other people - see right now is MMO Jesus who can only loose to people who cheat themselves - only to win later anyway, because well - he is MMO Jesus. Technically he could be super OP and still have a bunch of flaws. Take Casshern in Casshern Sins (Even more OP then Kirito but tonsss of flaws). I think the problem is his only real flaw is that he doesn't trust people enough, which isn't really shown strongly because he still socializes and helps them out enough. This in line with his boring personality just makes him a shallow character. Exactly, 90% of the shown scenes in the anime are a fucking contradiction. Look at Bastard!!, D.S. is as overpowered as you can get, but unlike this fap fiction it isn't supposed to be taken seriously. It is the difference between the proclaimed depth and the shown content that make SAO look very shallow. |
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Sa-chan_ said: InfiniteDestiny said: Sa-chan_ said: This is the episode that I'm waiting for(Except the fishing part). But holy fuck, that monster is too overpowered. Bosses are suppose to be OP; thats why they are always dealt with in groups; which makes Kirito going solo on one all that much more BA and shows how hard it really was (granted that boss was no where near this one) I could care less if they are suppose to be OP. That's just my opinion as a MMORPG player. Bosses are not necessarily OP, that OHKO was probably just a retard check. |
hyperknees91 said: Nidhoeggr said: Obstinate said: He does have flaws. This episode single-handedly showed that he is actually quite weak and vulnerable. He even suggested running away from the front lines, is that something a strong person would do? OH NOES, he totally suggested such a thing. It doesn't matter if he soloes every fucking monster, player and admin afterwards because he suggested that. He is soo laid-back, cool and amazing!!!!111 ...this is pseudo-characterization. Until we are SHOWN actual flaws, Kirito's own words are worth shit. And the only thing I - and many other people - see right now is MMO Jesus who can only loose to people who cheat themselves - only to win later anyway, because well - he is MMO Jesus. Technically he could be super OP and still have a bunch of flaws. Take Casshern in Casshern Sins (Even more OP then Kirito but tonsss of flaws). I think the problem is his only real flaw is that he doesn't trust people enough, which isn't really shown strongly because he still socializes and helps them out enough. This in line with his boring personality just makes him a shallow character. Though at the very least Asuna shows that she has plenty of flaws at this point..yeah and she needs to be thrown out of the show haha. Well yeah, you stated one of his flaws then. The person I quoted said he had no flaws at all. |
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Obstinate said: Well yeah, you stated one of his flaws then. The person I quoted said he had no flaws at all. He clearly stated that it wasn't portrayed enough (read: It is never brought up again) and I explained my reasoning earlier. Reading comprehension, people... |
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Nidhoeggr said: Obstinate said: Well yeah, you stated one of his flaws then. The person I quoted said he had no flaws at all. He clearly stated that it wasn't portrayed enough (read: It is never brought up again) and I explained my reasoning earlier. Reading comprehension, people... Obstinate quoted Gatwick who said Gatwick said: Welp! After much thought, this was the episode that made me drop SAO. Too much drama and femininity going on here between both the hero and heroine. I'm sick of Asuna crying every episode, and I'm sick of Kirito having absolutely no flaws, which makes him quite the unlikable character imo. With the money invested in the anime, it had potential... But now it's time that I parted with it for good. Wish I could say it's been real SAO, but... it wasn't. :P Maybe I'll pick it up in a few years when I've got nothing better to do. You are the one lacking reading comprehension. |
ssjokg said: You are the one lacking reading comprehension. Yes, and he clearly portrayed why that isn't the case and in the following discussion we elaborated on that. And Obstinate didn't react to it, that was the point where I was referring to. But then again, you said in the other thread that you don't like reading that much. Go figure. |
NidhoeggrSep 30, 2012 8:53 AM
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Exactly, 90% of the shown scenes in the anime are a fucking contradiction. Look at Bastard!!, D.S. is as overpowered as you can get, but unlike this fap fiction it isn't supposed to be taken seriously. It is the difference between the proclaimed depth and the shown content that make SAO look very shallow. Actually he has one more HUGE flaw, that is pretty dumb and shallow. After Sachi- Ah man I can't trust myself or others anymore After Silica- Oh she was nice to me even though I used her as bait like a jerk, plus our journey went fine. Maybe I should learn to trust others more. After Meeting up with Klein again- Oh he still treats me as a buddy even though I abandoned him like a jerk. After Liz- Oh she came along with me and kept her word of making an awesome sword. Maybe I should learn to trust others more. Hooks up with Asuna- I can't trust myself...I just can't Hooks up with Asuna for rizzle- I think I can learn to trust myself and others now. It's like nope, no other character has any influence on him, just Asuna. It makes him feel really shallow and really dependent on his relationship with her otherwise. Even Nana K. isn't this shallow xD |
hyperknees91Sep 30, 2012 8:53 AM
KingofConquerors said: Blackbird said: I actually believed the fishing part would be in the next episode after Yui, it will be too weird to just end with this SAO arc. I want to see Suguha, she is adorable. :D Asuna need to be saved! Sugou = Hated i'm sure everyone will hate sugou more than Kayaba (he is just the kind of a pesky guy everyone would love to hate, similar with Kayneth (Fate/Zero) for example... All in all, a great episode, the monster looked just like i thought it would...and the animation backing it up was superb...next week's episode is gonna be quite a surprise.. i hope 4.5/5 Kayneth is nothing like Sugou.Aside from the "bad teacher" he actually has reasons to be a "asshole".Shinji is the one who is similar to Sugou. |
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