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| Great episode ! The fight with the strategy, skill and all was perfect ! Machi, finally get to meet her. Her skill is as fearsome as ever. Lol |
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SergioSource said: leokiko said: SergioSource said: Boring episode. They could have just said "You used this and that ability.". It's like half the episode is plot and the other half is explanation. Like they think we're dumb Wow..so you would have been able to figure everything out? lol No, but it could be revealed throughout the episodes, and not dedicate just one to explain it all at once. Kinda ruins the mysticism in my opinion. You didn't pay attention to what Wing said regarding Nen, did you? Nen IS a "mysterious" force to those who do NOT know it. It means all the "miracle" and "unexplained" things in the world are in fact related to Nen. This anime heavily hinted about this mysterious power over the Hunter exam. Since we already know that Nen exist, the "mysticism" of Nen become a mute point. In the Hunter world, Nen is considered a "discipline" of learning - a science, if you will, for people lucky enough to know that it exist - and should be broken down and analyze in order for us to learn more about how it works. You said that you wanted Hisoka's power to be revealed over the course of the anime (like the typical shounen villain/anti-hero) but well, newsflash: Hunter x Hunter is not your typical shounen anime. You've been watching this anime for 30+ episodes now. It should have occurred to you that the battles here are won more through tactics than brute force (powers). Hence, the "reveal" of Hisoka's Nen. Hisoka won the match because he was smarter than Kastro NOT because his Nen is deadlier. Kastro's techniques (Tiger Claw, Double) are in fact much deadlier and harder to learn than Hisoka's Bungie Gum BUT the fact that Hisoka can use a lame power (a "gum" for crying out loud) like that to kill an opponent just shows how you use your "powers" effectively triumphs over how "cool/deadly" your powers are. This episode highlights how effective Hisoka's Nen is in battle when combined with his battle tactics. It reinforced that Hisoka is not someone to trifle with. |
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| YESSSSS when i finaly come back to this series after a lil break it gets darkllike the 1999 version *laughs evily* |
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lzumi-chan said: Totally agree. I was looking forward to his shower time too, kinda disappointing .-.And.. FANSERVICE :P But Hisoka looked better with his hair down in the manga and 1999 anime. It seemed kinda weird being curly.. Don't really like Machi's new voice either, I always thought her more monotone voice fit her perfectly. I'll get used to it though. Can't wait to hear the rest of the Ryodan! |
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| It was interesting to get an explanation on Hisoka's abilities + a new character with great abilities appeared + Hisoka has some badass intentions. Exciting! =D |
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| So, what's up with the complaints about the lack of blood? I'm seeing a lot of complaints that basically amount to "It doesn't have blood it sucks!". What the hell? Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though, I just think he gets "excited" at the prospect of a worthy opponent. Either way he's still a bad ass. Loved Menchi's monologue at the end there, don't remember that being in the first series. |
Ston3_FreeN7Jul 15, 2012 1:58 PM
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| OMG! Hisoka is overly badass! XD |
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insan3soldiern said: Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though. I've never seen him as gay too... just pedophile! hahahaha Ok, just kidding! XD |
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| Hisoka shows his awesomeness once again. Hisoka actually gets a good amount of screentime. In other battle shounen antagonists don't get nearly as much. Machi! Finally a female character that will most likely reappear again. |
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insan3soldiern said: Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though, I just think he gets "excited" at the prospect of a worthy opponent. iirc, that's the impression of Hisoka you're supposed to get from watching the 2011 anime. |
meshimoon said: insan3soldiern said: Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though, I just think he gets "excited" at the prospect of a worthy opponent. iirc, that's the impression of Hisoka you're supposed to get from watching the 2011 anime. That's how he's supposed to be in the manga and the 1999 version as well... |
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Mikasa said: meshimoon said: insan3soldiern said: Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though, I just think he gets "excited" at the prospect of a worthy opponent. iirc, that's the impression of Hisoka you're supposed to get from watching the 2011 anime. That's how he's supposed to be in the manga and the 1999 version as well... I know he is, but I don't think the more blatant 'pedo'-ish scenes completely follow that. And I think I remember reading somewhere that Madhouse was going to tone down Hisoka's pervert side from the manga a bit so he's more only a 'fighting gets me extremely excited' type? (though you could say that counts as being perverted) |
meshimoon said: Mikasa said: meshimoon said: insan3soldiern said: Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though, I just think he gets "excited" at the prospect of a worthy opponent. iirc, that's the impression of Hisoka you're supposed to get from watching the 2011 anime. That's how he's supposed to be in the manga and the 1999 version as well... I know he is, but I don't think the more blatant 'pedo'-ish scenes completely follow that. And I think I remember reading somewhere that Madhouse was going to tone down Hisoka's pervert side from the manga a bit so he's more only a 'fighting gets me extremely excited' type? (though you could say that counts as being perverted) That was never actually said o.O Don't know why but japan is weird, they don't censor sexual stuff nearly as much as violence. And we've seen how not only he got a schwing but also had an orgasm...so I think it won't be censored....highly unlikely |
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Mikasa said: meshimoon said: Mikasa said: meshimoon said: insan3soldiern said: Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though, I just think he gets "excited" at the prospect of a worthy opponent. iirc, that's the impression of Hisoka you're supposed to get from watching the 2011 anime. That's how he's supposed to be in the manga and the 1999 version as well... I know he is, but I don't think the more blatant 'pedo'-ish scenes completely follow that. And I think I remember reading somewhere that Madhouse was going to tone down Hisoka's pervert side from the manga a bit so he's more only a 'fighting gets me extremely excited' type? (though you could say that counts as being perverted) That was never actually said o.O Don't know why but japan is weird, they don't censor sexual stuff nearly as much as violence. And we've seen how not only he got a schwing but also had an orgasm...so I think it won't be censored....highly unlikely They didn't? weird... my memory's getting worse. xD But the schwing was because he was about to fight Gon (one of his 'fruits' >_>) and the multiple rape faces were because he had bloodlust, not because he was eyeing certain parts of a child's body..? (I should probably tack on 'iirc' onto most of my posts |D) |
meshimoon said: Mikasa said: meshimoon said: Mikasa said: meshimoon said: insan3soldiern said: Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though, I just think he gets "excited" at the prospect of a worthy opponent. iirc, that's the impression of Hisoka you're supposed to get from watching the 2011 anime. That's how he's supposed to be in the manga and the 1999 version as well... I know he is, but I don't think the more blatant 'pedo'-ish scenes completely follow that. And I think I remember reading somewhere that Madhouse was going to tone down Hisoka's pervert side from the manga a bit so he's more only a 'fighting gets me extremely excited' type? (though you could say that counts as being perverted) That was never actually said o.O Don't know why but japan is weird, they don't censor sexual stuff nearly as much as violence. And we've seen how not only he got a schwing but also had an orgasm...so I think it won't be censored....highly unlikely They didn't? weird... my memory's getting worse. xD But the schwing was because he was about to fight Gon (one of his 'fruits' >_>) and the multiple rape faces were because he had bloodlust, not because he was eyeing certain parts of a child's body..? (I should probably tack on 'iirc' onto most of my posts |D) No no, a schwing does indicate being sexually aroused alright...like in the manga..BUT in all versions the reason of his arousal is the opponents power/potential not itself. GI ova changed a lot of stuff though, one of the changes is the removal of the part where Hisoka So the only pedo part was the stare scene and I think he was just trying to intimidate them :P |
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helderplus said: insan3soldiern said: Anyway, Hisoka continues to be an interesting character. Never saw him as gay, though. I've never seen him as gay too... just pedophile! hahahaha Ok, just kidding! XD Exactly. He's not gay; he just enjoys the company of little boys! Speaking of that weirdo, only Togashi would troll the audience with Hisoka "fanservice," so to speak. This won't be the last of it, either. lol That aside, impressive episode. If I remember correctly, the '99 series never explained Hisoka's Bungee Gum and Texture Surprise in such detail. The explanation was a little long, but still interesting nonetheless. Yet again, Hisoka shows how awesome he is. Great fight too! |
| Well, that was a rather unusual strategy according to the explanation. Ending caught me somewhat off guard though. Dat spider tattoo was a fake huh? |
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| Damn, so that's a battle between those experienced in Nen. Looks like Hisoka's opponent really did die in a frenzied dance, oh Hisoka you're such a clown! His tie to the Phantom Troupe is surprising, but it's even more interesting that he's just using them for whatever pleasures he's cooking up. And jeez, Hisoka actually looks like a normal bad ass without the circus costume. But his rape faces wouldn't be as wonderful without it! |
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| badass explanation to a badass fight |
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| My favorite fight in HxH. Hisoka's experience and power are just amazing. The psychological games he played with his opponent and how he managed to keep calm and think while he didn't know the enemie's ability really show how smart,strong and experienced he must be in nen fights. |
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| wow that ending reveal for hisoka in the shower just kicked all kinds of ass. he's a very close second for favorite character, right after killua. he should wear his hair down more but it makes him less psychotic so i dunno. i love how the world is hisoka's oyster, he even fucks around with the phantom troupe. that being said, the explanation for his fight bored me to tears - blatant, cheesy exposition |
| well he did danced... wtf.. she reconnected Hisoka's arm... damn theres no impossible in this anime. Well I expected him to be a member of that group but... hes not?? damn |
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| i was xpecting that those wounds wouldnt last an ep so no surprises there, what surprised me was that there was a half an ep explanation about a rather uninteresting fight, that there was actually a female character who looks strong an might be important later (so far this anime was a sausage fest) an that Hisoka isnt a Phantom Troupe member which was something i was expecting for some time |
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silversaint said: i was xpecting that those wounds wouldnt last an ep so no surprises there, what surprised me was that there was a half an ep explanation about a rather uninteresting fight, that there was actually a female character who looks strong an might be important later (so far this anime was a sausage fest) an that Hisoka isnt a Phantom Troupe member which was something i was expecting for some time You didn't like Hisoka vs Kastro? I think it's time to drop this. |
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silversaint said: i was xpecting that those wounds wouldnt last an ep so no surprises there, what surprised me was that there was a half an ep explanation about a rather uninteresting fight, that there was actually a female character who looks strong an might be important later (so far this anime was a sausage fest) an that Hisoka isnt a Phantom Troupe member which was something i was expecting for some time It wasn't so much an explanation of the fight as it was to show Hisoka's nen ability. Considering he is one of the most important characters in the series, it was definitely needed to show his powers. tsudecimo said: I think it's time to drop this. Eh, he should at least check out the Yorknew arc, I think. If that doesn't interest him then he may as well just drop it then. |
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tsudecimo said: silversaint said: i was xpecting that those wounds wouldnt last an ep so no surprises there, what surprised me was that there was a half an ep explanation about a rather uninteresting fight, that there was actually a female character who looks strong an might be important later (so far this anime was a sausage fest) an that Hisoka isnt a Phantom Troupe member which was something i was expecting for some time You didn't like Hisoka vs Kastro? I think it's time to drop this. wait this isnt one of the better fights isnt it? i mean this Kastro guy clearly never had a chance to begin with ever since he was first introduced, Hisoka didnt even take the fight seriously (which always makes for a dull fight), not even the fight coreography was appealing in any way, this has to be one of those small fights that many battle shonen show at first to prepare the viewver for a more interesting one |
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| It is one of my favorites. The psychology and bizarre trickery in it I found fascinating. How Hisoks nonchallantly deals with the situation. It added a real sense of despair fighting him on serious terms. Expecting this to be purely showings of power might mean you need to take a break from the show, maybe taking that would let you immerse yourself better. |
silversaint said: wait this isnt one of the better fights isnt it? i mean this Kastro guy clearly never had a chance to begin with ever since he was first introduced, Hisoka didnt even take the fight seriously (which always makes for a dull fight), not even the fight coreography was appealing in any way, this has to be one of those small fights that many battle shonen show at first to prepare the viewver for a more interesting one What's good about the fight wasn't the choreography. It was how Hisoka managed to defeat Kastro with his two simple Nen abilities. It was a completely strategic fight, that Hisoka won thanks to his trickery and quick and smart thinking. I personally think it's the best or second best fight in the whole series, but that is probably an unpopular opinion. I doubt you will like Hisoka vs Gon but try to yourself I guess. I just don't think you will enjoy this series if you keep watching, if you didn't enjoy anything so far. Yorknew is better than the arcs before it, but that might be just ''good'' for you and nothing impressive. insan3Spectre said: Eh, he should at least check out the Yorknew arc, I think. If that doesn't interest him then he may as well just drop it then. By that time, he would have watched nearly half of the series. Seems like an awful a lot, since it's not gonna get ''better''. |
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Kellhus said: @silversaint You are in the weakest arc of the series so I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions just yet. Disagree. It was pretty great for Gon's character arc, and good verse-building in my opinion. |
tsudecimo said: By that time, he would have watched nearly half of the series. Seems like an awful a lot, since it's not gonna get ''better''. Well, I thought it did. But, then again, I thoroughly enjoyed this arc and was already enjoying the series a great deal by the time it ended. So, perhaps you are right that it won't get better for him. Kellhus said: @silversaint You are in the weakest arc of the series so I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions just yet. I've always seen Zoldyck as the weakest arc of the series. I actually thought Heaven's Arena was pretty great stuff. Two of the best fights in the series, adds a lot to Gon's character and, perhaps most importantly, introduces Nen. |
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TonyTonyStark said: It is one of my favorites. The psychology and bizarre trickery in it I found fascinating. How Hisoks nonchallantly deals with the situation. It added a real sense of despair fighting him on serious terms. Expecting this to be purely showings of power might mean you need to take a break from the show, maybe taking that would let you immerse yourself better. id ve probably thought the same if Hisokas foe d ve been someone like Gon, Killua or even that nen master but Kastro was just some guy who was introduced for Hisoka to show of his powers, so at least for me that doesnt add a sense of despair tsudecimo said: silversaint said: wait this isnt one of the better fights isnt it? i mean this Kastro guy clearly never had a chance to begin with ever since he was first introduced, Hisoka didnt even take the fight seriously (which always makes for a dull fight), not even the fight coreography was appealing in any way, this has to be one of those small fights that many battle shonen show at first to prepare the viewver for a more interesting one What's good about the fight wasn't the choreography. It was how Hisoka managed to defeat Kastro with his two simple Nen abilities. It was a completely strategic fight, that Hisoka won thanks to his trickery and quick and smart thinking. I personally think it's the best or second best fight in the whole series, but that is probably an unpopular opinion. I doubt you will like Hisoka vs Gon but try to yourself I guess. I just don't think you will enjoy this series if you keep watching, if you didn't enjoy anything so far. Yorknew is better than the arcs before it, but that might be just ''good'' for you and nothing impressive. thats why i mentioned the coreography as last an least important point, Madoka movie 3 for example, Mami vs Homura has no sense of tension or danger whatsoever an its ultimately irrelevant an does nothing but showing of the characters abilities but hey at least the choreography was nice to look at, this fight didnt even had that Kellhus said: @silversaint You are in the weakest arc of the series so I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions just yet. i thought the Zoldyck family one (the previous short arc) was worse, to be honest i dont think this arc is bad just not that good so far |
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| He is still a character and a human regardless of when he was introduced. In the time given he was built up enough to make do, so I didnt feel like he was fodder or anything. Especially in the manga when hisoka was looking pained when his arms got cut off |
insan3Spectre said: I've always seen Zoldyck as the weakest arc of the series. I actually thought Heaven's Arena was pretty great stuff. Two of the best fights in the series, adds a lot to Gon's character and, perhaps most importantly, introduces Nen. I've always bunched the two arcs together, or don't even look at it as an arc because it's so short. That Zoldyck stuff is like 4 episodes and just serves to set up Gon x Killua. I guess it's "worse" but it's weird to judge exposition episodes against arcs that are like 2-3x longer. But yeah, it does establish Nen and Gon vs Hisoka is great. I just thought it was pretty weak in comparison to how great the other arcs are. |
Kellhus said: I've always bunched the two arcs together, or don't even look at it as an arc because it's so short. That Zoldyck stuff is like 4 episodes and just serves to set up Gon x Killua. I guess it's "worse" but it's weird to judge exposition episodes against arcs that are like 2-3x longer. But yeah, it does establish Nen and Gon vs Hisoka is great. I just thought it was pretty weak in comparison to how great the other arcs are. I should probably say I don't think the Zoldyck arc is "bad", it's just the group trying to open a door, for example, just isn't the most interesting thing the show ever did. Actually, thinking about it, that was such a short sequence it's not even worth complaining about. And, for what it did for the overall story, it is an extremely important "min-arc" in the grand scheme of things. Plus that scene between Killua and his father is excellent. Heaven's Arena definitely isn't the most interesting arc from a story telling or thematic perspective, but I just found it compelling anyway. But, indeed, it's no Yorknew or Chimera Ant. Though it doesn't necessarily need to be. |
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tsudecimo said: What's good about the fight wasn't the choreography. It was how Hisoka managed to defeat Kastro with his two simple Nen abilities. It was a completely strategic fight, that Hisoka won thanks to his trickery and quick and smart thinking. I personally think it's the best or second best fight in the whole series, but that is probably an unpopular opinion. I doubt you will like Hisoka vs Gon but try to yourself I guess. I just don't think you will enjoy this series if you keep watching, if you didn't enjoy anything so far. Yorknew is better than the arcs before it, but that might be just ''good'' for you and nothing impressive. By that time, he would have watched nearly half of the series. Seems like an awful a lot, since it's not gonna get ''better''. But it IS going to get better. Yorknew arc was great and very thrilling, Greed Island was enjoyable and then we go back to the greatness with the Chimera Ant arc (which also has arguably the best fight/episode in terms of choreography + depth). Kastro + Hisoka was very interesting, though. I didn't see the explanation as a bother at all, I really enjoyed that fight. The way you felt about it pretty much explains why I liked it, just shows how great of a fighter Hisoka is. But I wouldn't say that it's one of the best fights. |
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