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Obama vs McCain: Who are you voting for?
Barack Obama
66.8%
290
John McCain
21.0%
91
Other. Please explain.
12.2%
53
434 votes
Jul 8, 2008 11:53 PM
#1
Here's a quick run down of each of the Presidential Candidates. Who are you voting for and why? McCain on Abortion: # Pro-life and an advocate for the Rights of Man everywhere. (Feb 2008) # GovWatch: 1999: Don't force women to have illegal operations. (Feb 2008) # Abortion issue shows what kind of country we are. (Aug 2007) # Concerned if women undergo illegal dangerous operations. (May 2007) # Supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. (May 2007) # Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them. (Jan 2000) # “Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion. (Jan 2000) # Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape. (Jan 2000) # Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity. (Jan 2000) # Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions. (Jan 2000) # Support adoption & foster care; work together on abortion. (Oct 1999) # Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it. (Aug 1999) # Opposes partial-birth abortions & public financing. (Aug 1999) # Nominate justices based on experience, and values. (Jun 1999) # Restrict abortions; no partial-birth; no public funding. (Jul 1998) Obama on Abortion: * Ok for state to restrict late-term partial birth abortion. (Apr 2008) * We can find common ground between pro-choice and pro-life. (Apr 2008) * Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008) * Teach teens about abstinence and also about contraception. (Apr 2008) * GovWatch: Obama's "present" votes were a requested strategy. (Feb 2008) * Expand access to contraception; reduce unintended pregnancy. (Feb 2008) * Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007. (Jan 2008) * Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007) * Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007) * Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007) * Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006) * Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006) * Moral accusations from pro-lifers are counterproductive. (Oct 2004) * Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004) * Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004) * Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998) * Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008) * Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008) * Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007) * Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006) * Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005) * Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006) * Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006) * Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007) McCain on Budget and Economy: * Bailing out Bear Stearns necessary to protect economy. (Apr 2008) * Key is to not to bail out homeowners who speculated. (Apr 2008) * Things are tough now, but we're better off than in 2000. (Jan 2008) * May have to go further to fix the subprime lending situation. (Jan 2008) * Recession is partly psychological and not inevitable. (Jan 2008) * I'm well-versed in economics; I was at the Reagan Revolution. (Jan 2008) * FactCheck: Said--then denied--he needed economics education. (Jan 2008) * Impose some fiscal discipline to revive the economy. (Jan 2008) * Will be able to reduce war costs & have a stable Middle East. (Jan 2008) * Reform insurance to cover violent weather patterns. (Jan 2008) * To avoid recession, stop out-of-control spending. (Jan 2008) * Loss of economic strength leads to losing military strength. (Dec 2007) * Republicans have forgotten how to control spending. (Nov 2007) * AdWatch: Outrageous to spend $233M for bridge to nowhere. (Nov 2007) * FactCheck:Bridge-to-Nowhere never built; would serve 200,000. (Nov 2007) * FactCheck: Criticized "Woodstock museum," but skipped vote. (Nov 2007) * Congress spends money like a drunken sailor. (May 2007) * Veto all pork-barrel bills and announce pork spenders. (May 2007) * Use veto power to reduce government spending. (Jan 2000) * Distribute surplus: 23% tax cuts; 62% Social Security. (Jan 2000) * $9B of pork in current budget bills; cut subsidies. (Oct 1999) * For Balanced Budget Amend., & off-budget Social Security. (Jul 1999) * List of budgetary spending priorities. (Jul 1998) * Supports Balanced Budget Amendment. (Jul 1998) * Apply surplus to Social Security, Medicare, tax cuts & debt. (Jul 1998) * Voted YES on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005) * Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000) * Voted YES on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997) * Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997) * Maintain & enforce existing spending caps in the future. (Sep 1998) Obama on Budget and Economy: * Can't do anything at home with $12 billion a month on Iraq. (Feb 2008) * Protect consumers with Credit Card Bill of Rights. (Feb 2008) * More accountability in subprime mortgages. (Feb 2008) * Bush stimulus plan leaves out seniors & unemployed. (Jan 2008) * Voted against limiting credit to 30%, because 30% too high. (Jan 2008) * Account for every single dollar for new proposed programs. (Jan 2008) * Help the homeowners actually living in their homes. (Jan 2008) * Bankruptcy bill pushed by banks &. (Jan 2008) * Lack of an energy policy is a financial burden. (Jan 2008) * Bush & GOP dug budget hole; need years to dig out. (Dec 2007) * Save $150 billion in tax cuts for people who don't need them. (Dec 2007) * Take China "to the mat" about currency manipulation. (Dec 2007) * Rejects free market vision of government. (Oct 2007) * Regulate financial instruments to protect home mortgages. (Aug 2007) * Government regulation needed for when markets fail. (Aug 2007) * Return to PayGo: compensate for all new spending. (Oct 2006) * Bush's economic policies are not working. (May 2004) * Supports federal programs to protect rural economy. (May 2004) * Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007) * Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005) * Get minorities into home ownership & global marketplace. (Jan 2001) * Require full disclosure about subprime mortgages. (Dec 2007) McCain on Civil Rights: # Voted against MLK holiday in 1983; now calls that a mistake. (Apr 2008) # Don't ask, don't tell is working; don't tamper with it. (Jun 2007) # Confederate flag on top of capitol was wrong; in front is ok. (May 2007) # Leave gay marriage to the states. (Jan 2007) # John Lewis was as courageous as anyone could ever hope to be. (Apr 2004) # Fear did not restrain Dr. King to resist repression. (Apr 2004) # 1994: No Senate hiring discrimination by sexual orientation. (Jan 2004) # Support evangelism but don’t pander to evangelical leaders. (Feb 2000) # Inter-racial dating ban is idiotic and cruel. (Feb 2000) # Career-long history of supporting Indian causes. (Jan 2000) # Ten Commandments would bring virtue to our schools. (Jan 2000) # Confederate flag is a “symbol of heritage”. (Jan 2000) # Allow, but not mandate, school prayer. (Jan 2000) # Would be “comfortable” with a gay president. (Dec 1999) # Flying Confederate flag should be left to states. (Sep 1999) # 1st Amend. not a shield for hate groups. (Aug 1999) # Indian gambling OK; lottery is not. (Aug 1999) # Hollywood should voluntarily self-censor sex and violence. (Jul 1999) # Supports Amendment against flag-burning. (Apr 1999) # We don’t need laws against Spanish language & culture. (Mar 1999) # Affirmative action OK for specific programs, but no quotas. (Jul 1998) Obama on Civil Rights: # Hate crimes related to the immigration issue is unacceptable. (Feb 2008) # People want to move beyond our divisions. (Jan 2008) # 2004 DNC speech merged "heritage" with "diversity". (Dec 2007) # The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties. (Oct 2007) # 1980s boss predicted Obama would be heir to MLK's voice. (Aug 2007) # Racial equality good for America as a whole. (Jun 2007) # Put the Confederate flag in a museum, not the state house. (Apr 2007) # Muslim heritage gives Obama unique influence in Muslim world. (Oct 2006) # No black or white America--just United States of America. (Oct 2006) # Gays should not face discrimination but should not marry. (Oct 2004) # Forthright on racial issues and on his civil rights history. (Jul 2004) # Defend freedom and equality under law. (May 2004) # Politicians: don't use religion to insulate from criticism. (Apr 2004) # Miscegenation a felony in 1960 when Obamas practiced it. (Aug 1996) # The civil rights movement was a success. (Aug 1996) Affirmative Action # Apply affirmative action to poor white college applicants. (Apr 2008) # Fight job discrimination to give women equal footing at jobs. (Feb 2008) # Remove discriminatory barriers to the right to vote. (Feb 2008) # Benefited from affirmative action but overcame via merit. (Dec 2007) # Include class-based affirmative action with race-based. (Oct 2007) # Better enforce women's pay equity via Equal Pay Act. (Aug 2007) # Blacks should infiltrate mainstream to affect change. (Aug 2007) # African-Americans vote Democratic because of issue stances. (Jul 2004) # Supports affirmative action in colleges and government. (Jul 1998) Gay Rights # Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. (Nov 2007) # Decisions about marriage should be left to the states. (Oct 2007) # Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality. (Oct 2007) # Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007) # Has any marriage broken up because two gays hold hands? (Aug 2007) # We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions. (Aug 2007) # Legal rights for gays are conferred by state, not by church. (Aug 2007) # Disentangle gay rights from the word "marriage". (Aug 2007) # Gay marriage is less important that equal gay rights. (Aug 2007) # Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007) # Let each denominations decide on recognizing gay marriage. (Jul 2007) # Supports health benefits for gay civil partners. (Oct 2006) # Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006) # Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is. (Oct 2004) # Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws. (Jul 1998) McCain on Energy and Oil: * GovWatch: 2003: Ethanol doesn't increase energy independence. (Feb 2008) * End reliance on petro-dictators with market-based reform. (Feb 2008) * Be more active in addressing the issue of climate change. (Jan 2008) * In favor of cap-and-trade. (Jan 2008) * FactCheck: Oil independence will take 25 years, not 5 years. (Dec 2007) * Climate change is real and must be addressed. (Dec 2007) * Climate change is real; nuclear power is solution. (Oct 2007) * Public pressure on oil industry to invest in alternatives. (Oct 2007) * FactCheck: nuclear plants do emit no GHGs, but do have waste. (Jun 2007) * Reinvest oil profits in nuclear power. (Jun 2007) * Ethanol made no sense in `05 but with $60/bbl it makes sense. (May 2007) * 2000: Held hearings on mounting evidence of climate change. (Jan 2004) * 2000: Criticized Bush's withdrawal from the Kyoto Treaty. (Jan 2004) * Energy 2001: 1st Republican to sign onto reducing GHGS. (May 2002) * Strength Clean Air & Water Acts; but not Kyoto. (Jan 2000) * Supports alternative fuels, emission controls, & CWA. (Jul 1998) * Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005) * Voted NO on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005) * Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005) * Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005) * Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003) * Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003) * Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003) * Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002) * Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002) * Voted YES on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000) * Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999) * Voted YES on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997) * Voted NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline. (Aug 1994) * Sponsored bill for greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005) * Rated 17% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006) * Supports immediate reductions in greenhouse gases. (Sep 1998) Obama on Energy and Oil: * GOP right on cap-&-trade: guidelines instead of bureaucracy. (Apr 2008) * Raise fuel efficiency standards to reduce long-term demand. (Apr 2008) * Reduce carbon emissions by 80% by 2050. (Feb 2008) * FactCheck: Self-contradictory on Bush's clean-energy plan. (Jan 2008) * Reduce the consumption of energy and be more efficient. (Jan 2008) * Aggressively address accelerating climate change. (Dec 2007) * Fuel efficiency and Middle East stability help on fuel costs. (Oct 2007) * Nuclear power ok if we safeguard against waste & terrorism. (Sep 2007) * Explore nuclear power as part of alternative energy mix. (Jul 2007) * Cheney met environmentalists once; but Big Oil 40 times. (Jul 2007) * Cap-and-trade carbon emissions; raise CAFE standard. (Jun 2007) * Stop sending $800M a day to Mideast dictators for oil. (Mar 2007) * Wants Detroit to build more hybrids & use more ethanol. (Oct 2006) * We cannot drill our way out of our addiction to oil. (Oct 2006) * 3-way win: economy, environment, & stop funding terror. (Jun 2006) * Cap-and-trade is more specific on reducing greenhouse gases. (Jan 2006) * Conserve, develop alternative fuels, increase efficiencies. (Oct 2004) * Sponsored legislations that improve energy efficiency. (Sep 2004) * 20% nation's power supply from renewable sources by 2020. (Sep 2004) * 20% renewable energy by 2020. (Jul 2004) * Invest in alternative energy sources. (Jun 2004) * Increase CAFE to 40 mpg. (Jun 2004) * Tradable credits for renewable energy. (Jun 2004) * Renewable Fuels Standard: require ethanol in fuel supply. (May 2004) Voting Record * Passed tax credit for installing E85 ethanol at gas stations. (Feb 2008) * Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007) * Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007) * Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007) * Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005) * Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005) * Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005) * Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005) * Sponsored bill for tax credit for providing 85% ethanol gas. (Apr 2005) * Sponsored bill to notify public when nuclear releases occur. (Mar 2006) * Sponsored bill raising CAFE by a 4% per year until 2018. (Jul 2006) * Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006) * Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007) * Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025. (Jan 2007) |
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Jul 9, 2008 12:00 AM
#2
I'm not American so obviously can't vote myself, however US politics impacts the world, so I pay attention to it as well. Hilary was my choice, but seeing as she's out, Obama is the man. He seems to have his head in the right place, for the mostpart (as far as any politician does, anyway.) unlike McCain who is just another redneck good ol' boy who will barely change anything from Bush's reign of terror. Somehow I do doubt Obama will win, but personally I think he's a better choice than McCain, from everything I've seen and heard so far. But campaign promises are rarely kept anyway, so it can go either way pretty easily. |
Jul 9, 2008 12:19 AM
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Jul 9, 2008 12:21 AM
#4
Where's my "Ralph Nader" option? |
Jul 9, 2008 2:45 AM
#5
I'm not American, but if i had to vote, then it wouldn't be Obama. I don't know McCain, but knowing i don't like Obama's way of thinking, i'd go for McCain, simply for the fact that i have nothing else to gamble on. |
Jul 9, 2008 2:49 AM
#6
NEITHER! I'M EXERCISING MY RIGHT NOT TO VOTE! actually I'm just really lazy. |
Jul 9, 2008 3:14 AM
#7
MysteriousMerlin said: NEITHER! I'M EXERCISING MY RIGHT NOT TO VOTE! Heh, I think Carlin said it best: "I don't think my vote would mean anything, and at the same time, it would make me very untrue to myself to participate in what I really think is a charade." |
Jul 9, 2008 5:12 AM
#8
I'm not American, and I don't think I'd be old enough to vote, but if I was, I'd vote for Barack Obama. |
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Jul 9, 2008 6:47 AM
#9
I'm not an American, but if I had to vote I'd vote for Turd Sandwich. |
Jul 9, 2008 7:01 AM
#11
There's already a thread about this, but I can't find it due to the Search function being down. So eh. LionMagnus said: Where's my "Ralph Nader" option? This, or even more urgently and dreamily Brian Moore. Supposing I magically get a citizenship in the States, that is. |
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Jul 9, 2008 7:17 AM
#12
LionMagnus said: Where's my "Ralph Nader" option? Ralph Nader is a creepy little gremlin and if it wasn't for him George Bush wouldn't have been elected in 2000. |
Jul 9, 2008 7:41 AM
#13
I honestly don't know who I am going to vote for yet. I don't really like either one very much. |
Jul 9, 2008 8:04 AM
#14
Obama, definitely. We don't need a third Bush term. |
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Jul 9, 2008 8:49 AM
#15
Don't want either at the moment. Though it is funny how people assume just because i'm black i'll vote for Obama. Oh and they seem to think it automatically means I am a Dem. I think people count out McCain too quickly just because Bush has been in their for almost 8 years. I remember back when John Kerry was running so many people were so sure Bush wouldn't get back in. I mean they were celebrating even before the voting had begun. It's funny when I think about it. |
Jul 9, 2008 9:22 AM
#17
Lol, i don't even know who they are. But i guess Obama since thats where the majority of votes seem to be going. |
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Jul 9, 2008 9:55 AM
#18
If Obama wins, you might as well give up all your rights, and quit any job where you make over $20,000 a year. Cause he will steal it, and give it to the inner city Street Gangs. Oh, and he will take away law abiding citizens firearms, leaving only criminals with them. |
Jul 9, 2008 10:52 AM
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animematt55 said: If Obama wins, you might as well give up all your rights, and quit any job where you make over $20,000 a year. Cause he will steal it, and give it to the inner city Street Gangs. Oh, and he will take away law abiding citizens firearms, leaving only criminals with them. You, sir, are an idiot. The forum mod side of me tells me I can't call you and idiot and walk away so I will convert that ad hominem attack and say that statement is horribly ignorant. |
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Jul 9, 2008 11:19 AM
#20
Gunbladewarrior said: Don't want either at the moment. Though it is funny how people assume just because i'm black i'll vote for Obama. Oh and they seem to think it automatically means I am a Dem. Well, Republicans have a long history of hating, enslaving, jailing and lynching black people and their policies are generally aimed at making sure the poor get poorer or at least have no ability to acquire wealth. It's unfortunate, but statistically a much higher percentage of black people are in poverty than white people. That might be a coincidence but it's more likely a byproduct of the political landscape. I think people count out McCain too quickly just because Bush has been in their for almost 8 years. I remember back when John Kerry was running so many people were so sure Bush wouldn't get back in. I mean they were celebrating even before the voting had begun. It's funny when I think about it. The situation is a bit different since Obama actually has supporters. Nobody wanted John Kerry to be the president, some people just wanted Bush to not be the president. |
Jul 9, 2008 11:19 AM
#21
animematt55 said: If Obama wins, you might as well give up all your rights, and quit any job where you make over $20,000 a year. Cause he will steal it, and give it to the inner city Street Gangs. Oh, and he will take away law abiding citizens firearms, leaving only criminals with them. Hmmm, I give that a 5/10 - you rushed into it too quickly and too brazenly. A good troll doesn't out himself so quick, you need to be more subtle. As for who I'm voting for? I haven't decided. I'm eager to find out who each candidate picks for their running mate, and I'd like to see McCain and Obama square off in a debate a couple of times before I make a final decision. (and hopefully it will be a "debate" and not a corporately sponsored debacle) |
Jul 9, 2008 11:28 AM
#22
Kaplan said: As for who I'm voting for? I haven't decided. I'm eager to find out who each candidate picks for their running mate, and I'd like to see McCain and Obama square off in a debate a couple of times before I make a final decision. (and hopefully it will be a "debate" and not a corporately sponsored debacle) I doubt that either of these two will be picked as the VP but Karl Rove and John Edwards have scheduled a debate in September so... |
Jul 9, 2008 11:51 AM
#23
Kaiserpingvin said: There's already a thread about this, but I can't find it due to the Search function being down. So eh. I figured there might be, but I couldn't find it either, for the same reason. I did check though, and I came up with nothing. Sorry if this post is redundant :\ |
Jul 9, 2008 12:08 PM
#24
Obama all the way~ The thought of McCain in office gives me nightmares. Ugh. |
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Jul 9, 2008 12:12 PM
#25
Well i would vote for Obame since we don't need to have allot more wars..^^; |
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Jul 9, 2008 12:12 PM
#26
Sometimes, when it comes to elections, I think a lot of Americans get a little hung up on practicalities instead of the moralities. I mean, I've heard a LOT of people in the recent past that were going to vote for Hilary just because she was a woman, or Obama just because he's black. I mean... both of these things certainly are what made/makes this particular election so unique to others in the past, but I don't think they should be deciding factors on a persons vote. Once more, I don't think a person should vote completely on their demeanor... alot of the times, this is just a thin facade they carry on to get elected. I mean... just look at how many actors have become political figures. The Governator... seriously, did you see that coming as you were watching him in the 80s? Not I sir, not I. Anyhow... I think the moralities these candidates are a least voting for or against is where we should really hold worth. Abortion, gun control, gay rights... where ever they stand, a voter should stand too. Just to see where you stand- click this site and answer the questions to find out which presidential candidate you match up with: www.speakout.com |
Jul 9, 2008 12:13 PM
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Jul 9, 2008 12:19 PM
#29
obama, but i m afraid that when he win, he might get shot =___=;;;; |
Jul 9, 2008 12:38 PM
#30
Awetumn said: I mean, I've heard a LOT of people in the recent past that were going to vote for Hilary just because she was a woman, or Obama just because he's black. I mean... both of these things certainly are what made/makes this particular election so unique to others in the past, but I don't think they should be deciding factors on a persons vote. SonnyBoi88 said: obama, but i m afraid that when he win, he might get shot =___=;;;; I guess it works backwards too^^ |
Jul 9, 2008 1:05 PM
#31
Not American and too young to vote (although, I always wished I could go vote there). But I don't know. I'm pretty sure Obama will be assassinated. But I'm pretty sure he's not what he seems. |
Jul 9, 2008 1:14 PM
#32
Awetumn said: Anyhow... I think the moralities policies these candidates are a least voting for or against is where we should really hold worth. Abortion, gun control, gay rights... where ever they stand, a voter should stand too. Sorry, felt like I had to fix that, but I get (and agree with) what you mean. Sadly though, while the current voting demographic has emotion and fervor, they lack knowledge. There are of course exceptions to this rule, there always are. However, there's good reason why it's being projected that so called "low-info" voters are going to be one of the deciding factors in this election. "Low-info." So this election we see more and more, the candidates wanting to make us like them for the person they are, and not necessarily the policy they support. They're counting on the voters who just "feel right" about the candidate, without any real knowledge of what he may do when in office. Hell, that's why Bush succeeded for so long, he played to the low-info crowd and they bought it. One reason I haven't made my own decision on who to back yet is because I don't feel I know enough about each candidate, that information doesn't get parsed out to the general public in a constructive manner. You have biased blogs, biased news, talking-head pundits who are paid to express an opinion, and not fact. At any rate, that's the way elections are going. Until we can vastly improve our educational system, and reform the way our media outlets parse the stories and news, it will only get worse. |
Jul 9, 2008 1:16 PM
#33
url_elf said: Bleh, neither. What's with only two poll options? Guess I just wanted to see what people thought about those two, since it will be most likely one or the other. I'll add an "other" option. |
Jul 9, 2008 1:23 PM
#34
I'm not American... but if I were then I'd vote Obama. I guess change would be good. But I think whoever gets voted in, regardless of who they are, they will at least be better than Bush. I hope. |
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Jul 9, 2008 1:42 PM
#35
i'm not a us citizen so i won't be able to vote but as a citizen of the world and as a bystander i'd really like to see Obama in office a black us president in my life time that would be fantastic! besides the other guy is barely animate i doubt he'd last until the election also i'm more of a liberal so that's another reason i'd go with Obama edit: Vote For Change America!! |
Jul 9, 2008 2:20 PM
#37
Jul 9, 2008 2:52 PM
#38
blueberryboat said: Ralph Nader is a creepy little gremlin and if it wasn't for him George Bush wouldn't have been elected in 2000. That's what the Democrats want you to think, anyway. Same with the 04 election and with this election of Obama loses. |
Jul 9, 2008 3:36 PM
#39
blueberryboat said: Well, Republicans have a long history of hating, enslaving, jailing and lynching black people and their policies are generally aimed at making sure the poor get poorer or at least have no ability to acquire wealth. It's unfortunate, but statistically a much higher percentage of black people are in poverty than white people. That might be a coincidence but it's more likely a byproduct of the political landscape. The situation is a bit different since Obama actually has supporters. Nobody wanted John Kerry to be the president, some people just wanted Bush to not be the president. You say that as if Dems have never done the same. Kerry had supporters too. The way the media, and almost every other thing in America made it seem that Bush was going to lose by a land slide. That's the exact same way people are acting now. People(not just in America) seem to have the blind idea that if Obama, or God knows what other Democrat gets into office that everything in America is going to be fine. Suddenly the poor will get rich, the war will just stop, gas prices will drop, and the world will stop hating on us. You have to remember that no president has had to deal with something like 9/11. He wasn't even in office a full year and all this stuff happened. To some Bush was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It would've happened to Al Gore had he gotten in. God I hate this time of year.-___________- |
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Jul 9, 2008 3:44 PM
#40
Forever said: I don't really get why everyone in the world says "black president". I mean he seems to have white origins, too, so he is as white as black. So in a sense it makes as much sense to call him a white president than a black one. :P It is part of his propaganda. He calls himself black to cater to the minority voters and inncer city gangs that he loves oh so much. I mean..the guy was an Illinois senator. Illinois has the strictest gun control, and the highest murder rate. Yet this guy STILL wants to take away the 2nd Amendment. He keeps trying to ban guns to lower crime. yet when you ban guns, crime increases. If you keep doing the same thing expecting different results like that...well it is a sign of insanity. His plan is basically "RAISE TAXES!!" Oh, and if you make money, expect to lose most of it to taxes. He is also super light on crime, especially gang violence. EDIT: he is also a communist. Don't know about you, but I don't want a communist running my country. I prefer a small government that stays out of my business. "socialism" is not the way to do this. |
Jul 9, 2008 3:57 PM
#41
animematt55 said: It is part of his propaganda. He calls himself black to cater to the minority voters and inncer city gangs that he loves oh so much. I mean..the guy was an Illinois senator. Illinois has the strictest gun control, and the highest murder rate. Yet this guy STILL wants to take away the 2nd Amendment. He keeps trying to ban guns to lower crime. yet when you ban guns, crime increases. If you keep doing the same thing expecting different results like that...well it is a sign of insanity. His plan is basically "RAISE TAXES!!" Oh, and if you make money, expect to lose most of it to taxes. He is also super light on crime, especially gang violence. EDIT: he is also a communist. Don't know about you, but I don't want a communist running my country. I prefer a small government that stays out of my business. "socialism" is not the way to do this. You forgot he's also an unpatriotic muslim who was sworn into office on The Quran, and doesn't place his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. EDIT: Oh and his wife hates whitey, they have it on tape. |
Jul 9, 2008 5:02 PM
#42
I haven't followed McCain very much so I can't speak about where he stands but there is something about Obama that I find vaguely disturbing. Its the cult of personality the man has around him, the fanaticism of his supporters, his association with the Reverend Wright, how his campaign is largely built on feeling and emotion and a need for vague "change" that anyone who lived under the Bush administration would gladly latch onto regardless of who was selling it, how he sees himself as a "blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views." Then there's his recent speech on "A New Era of Service" in which he advocates setting "a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year." In order to accomplish this goal he's going to attach strings to federal education dollars. I'd think America's students, and everyone else for that matter, would like to choose how to spend their time rather than being told to spend it on compulsory national service enforced by a paternalistic government. |
IsambardJul 9, 2008 5:18 PM
Jul 9, 2008 5:07 PM
#43
Isambard said: I'd think America's students, and everyone else for that matter, would like to choose how to spend their time rather than being told to spend it on compulsory national service enforced by a paternalistic government. He is a communist. He WANTS to make America a police/nanny state. Forced community service??? Sounds like slave labor to me. He wants to turn America into Chicago (crime haven) or make it like the UK or Australia. Both which monitor nearly everything, and have a higher violent crime rate than the US. Come on. If he couldnt keep his state under control, how will he control a country? |
Jul 9, 2008 5:07 PM
#44
XD all i know is that Jon Stewart make fun of both of them |
Jul 9, 2008 7:24 PM
#45
I choose COLBERT! animematt55 said: Isambard said: I'd think America's students, and everyone else for that matter, would like to choose how to spend their time rather than being told to spend it on compulsory national service enforced by a paternalistic government. He is a communist. He WANTS to make America a police/nanny state. Forced community service??? Sounds like slave labor to me. He wants to turn America into Chicago (crime haven) or make it like the UK or Australia. Both which monitor nearly everything, and have a higher violent crime rate than the US. Come on. If he couldnt keep his state under control, how will he control a country? Why is being a Communist a bad thing? You offend me sir. |
sad |
Jul 9, 2008 7:29 PM
#46
LionMagnus said: MysteriousMerlin said: NEITHER! I'M EXERCISING MY RIGHT NOT TO VOTE! Heh, I think Carlin said it best: "I don't think my vote would mean anything, and at the same time, it would make me very untrue to myself to participate in what I really think is a charade." Exactly this. It also doesn't help that I don't like any of the candidates. |
Jul 9, 2008 7:34 PM
#47
I'd exercise my right not to vote as well, that is if I was of legal age to vote. |
Jul 9, 2008 7:45 PM
#48
Based on the comments here all I can say is debating politics on a site whose members all have just the single common interest of liking Anime is not a good thing. All this is propagating is hate and segregation. |
Jul 9, 2008 8:40 PM
#49
StephanBlackhawk said: I choose COLBERT! animematt55 said: Why is being a Communist a bad thing? You offend me sir. Cause it is. You want America to end up like old China or Russia? FORCED to work a terrible job? Or how about FORCED to give up half of what you worked to earn cause street trash refuse to work? That is what Obama wants. He wants to take money from you and give it to the lazy street trash. Communism leads to nanny police states, where the police constantly monitor you, and you are forced to consent to illegal search and seizures at random. Did you know that in the UK, you can be stopped and search by the police for no reason? They are also one of the only countries where standard police patrol with submachine guns. Do you want that? I don't. |
Jul 9, 2008 8:45 PM
#50
Isambard said: I haven't followed McCain very much so I can't speak about where he stands but there is something about Obama that I find vaguely disturbing. Its the cult of personality the man has around him, the fanaticism of his supporters, Every famous politician has a cult of personality. Stalin had one, Hitler had one... but so did Kennedy, Roosevelt, and Churchill. his association with the Reverend Wright, only someone who's only seen that one 30 second clip of Reverend Wright that the news plays over and over would consider this a bad thing. He was a brilliant man with amazing, yet sometimes controversial opinions. Hell, even that one speech he made that the media played that 30 seconds of over and over is damn hard to disagree with when you watch it in the context he gave it in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJB-qkfUHc) how his campaign is largely built on feeling and emotion and a need for vague "change" that anyone who lived under the Bush administration would gladly latch onto regardless of who was selling it, I doubt you're old enough to have witnessed very many presidential campaigns, but after a two term president, the candidate from the opposing party always runs on "change." George Bush even did it in 2000. how he sees himself as a "blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views." lolwut? http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ Click the link and you can see his stances on different political issues. I'm not really sure where you would get the idea that someone could run for president without having any political ideas. Especially when the dude's got two best selling books about his political opinions. Then there's his recent speech on "A New Era of Service" in which he advocates setting "a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year." In order to accomplish this goal he's going to attach strings to federal education dollars. I'd think America's students, and everyone else for that matter, would like to choose how to spend their time rather than being told to spend it on compulsory national service enforced by a paternalistic government. You didn't watch the speech, did you? He said he was going to set a goal for high school students to do 50 hours of community service, yeah, but that's just a goal, it isn't mandatory. No federal dollars came into play here. With college students, he said that the government would give the students $4000 in college vouchers in exchange for 100 hours of public service. That's not mandatory either. |
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