Dragon Ball Super Episode 84 Discussion

Punkbeetle said:

But yeah, absolute numbers are a joke when you get sliced by a destructo disc or the likes. Which would probably be why all the major antagonist after the Androids got a regenerating ability. Unless your power is absolute, you can still lose through a well placed hit. But then the show would be over XD

Rei366 said:
This was a nice episode even f it was ternished by nonsense madness. I was never fond of keeping power tables and I know Goku had become a master in controling his power manifestation but that was so weird.
Is the drawings style change from last episode here to stay? (I mean the STABILO outlines like you can see on Digimon Savers's monsters)

2/5 Starting to wonder if I should raise my score a bit.



Wasn't there a point in the anime (don't remember if it was in th emanga) where the power level of someone was such that a kienzan from Krillin was so irrelevant that it simply crashed on it? I think it was Cell.

Rei366 said:

Wasn't there a point in the anime (don't remember if it was in th emanga) where the power level of someone was such that a kienzan from Krillin was so irrelevant that it simply crashed on it? I think it was Cell.

Punkbeetle said:
conversely the scene of the Kienzan working on Kid Boo is filler aswell ...

SirKnight007 said:
Well, at least they finally gave Krillin something to work with. But that Solar Flare x100 isn't going to last long. And this is a battle royale, I'm surprised no one told Goku it would be a one-against-many tournament, and that EVERYONE'S going to KILL HIM!!!

But what REALLY troubles me is, 17's alive?!?!?!. I know I've been away from DBZ for quite awhile, (HECK! I'm reading the manga RIGHT NOW) and I don't seem to recall him surviving? Retcon much? And what's even more perplexing is that he is a PARK RANGER?!?!?!
Ok,can anyone here please tell me, whether this was mentioned in the main series, games, or DBZ Abridged? Because my jaw actually got locked. No seriously, I had to go to the doctor for that, WHAT?

All in all, a pretty eh episode. Not great, but eh, and EEHHHHH??!?!?!?!?!??!?!

Sahaal_17 said:
To everyone saying that power levels are irrelivent, it's not even power levels, just basic logic.

krillin << frieza << cell << base goku << blue goku

but somehow krillin can still contend with blue goku? Sure, why not.
Maybe next episode mercenary tao will come back to slap beerus around a bit. It's all good.

Eranime90 said:

I'm amazed by how much your missing the point. It was never, not once, implied that Krillin can beat or even fight toe to toe with Blue Goku.

Goku was impressed by Krillin's clever way of fighting apponents stronger then him. Because of his respect for Krillin, and to see how Krillin handles facing those much stronger then him, he went Blue. In this tournament you don't need to be the strongest to win, you just need to get them out of the ring. They said this like 2 times in the episode. This is not a no rules to the death fight.

Power levels are not even relevant in this episode, because they never claimed Krillin was on par power level wise. He was clearly shown to be inferior power level wise. nothing changed in that regard.

Goku went blue not because he needed it, but because he wanted to see how Krillin would handle facing such a powerfull foe. Krillin had a natural response to be afraid, but snapped out of it and faced Goku like a boss knowing he was no match to his best friend.

The kamehameha was pure nostalgia. It was almost like the ki version of their fist bump in a way. Obviously Goku was holding back, and Krillin was only able to push back, for a tiny small moment may I add, because of his resolve and pushing himself beyond his limits while was Goku holding back. Perfect Ki control means Goku could have been firing a kamehameha thats weeker then one he would fire as his normal self. Just because he's blue doesn't mean every attack he does is at his full strenght.

The episode made perfect sense. It's perhaps one of the few fights ever to make any sense at all in DBS.

Krillin beat Gohan with strategy. Gohan was fine, he could have easely keep going. In a no rules no out of bounce match Gohan would have won no questions asked. Again, these tournament matches are not about power alone.

Gohan and Goku fight in very heads on power based ways. Krillin tought them that can cost them victory in this tournament. They are so used to fighting no rules power based death matches it had not occurd to them that weaker opponents can get them to lose this time around. All it takes is an out of bounce.

Whole point of this episode..

I honestly don't understand how people miss this stuff.

There is no messing with power levels here. Krilling didn't beat Gohan because of power, nor did he go toe to toe with blue Goku. He very clearly lost the kamehameha ''fight''. And Goku looked like he had not even started yet. He held back big time.

Which he should, he doesn't want to kill his best friend I asume.

I loved this episode. Finally Krillin gets some fun stuff to do again. I always loved how he was able to hold his own against much more powerfull enemies (One example of many: He was able to cut of Frieza's tail people..which was more damage then even vegeta had managed at the time. There are several other examples.) because of his more clever fighting. Krillin has always been a very skilled warrior. One can argue more skilled then Goku considering how Krillin managed to stay relevant in DBZ for a decent while despite the fact all the enemies where way out of his league. He had to compensate that lack of power somewhere. Skill.

And finally in super we get to enjoy seeing fights that are about more then just who is the most powerfull. That has been boring for a long while now.

We get it, goku Vegeta Gohan are all power beasts when they get their game on. I'm bored watching their fights. I look foreward to fights that are won with skill and strategies again. I hope the humans get to shine this tournament.

It's a step in the right direction, I hope the show doesn't lose it.