Dragon Ball Daima Episode 15 Discussion

What even is this show lol. They really don't give a shit about internal consistency. I'm not even talking about DBZ; just even within Daima, they have these magical rayguns that can injure someone like Vegeta to the point he needs a revive bug, but nah these soldiers can't launch an assault on the Tamagami even with endless time to prepare an attack.

Why did they have a random narrator explain the third eye, despite ever having any narration whatsoever in this show up until now? I always thought the first episode with Gomah and Degesu was an excellent way of both recapping the events of DBZ while introducing the characters, when they could've just lazily had a narrator recap everything. I guess they ran out of good writing and just threw in a narrator because it was the easiest way to handle it.

God, this show is so dumb lmao. This episode only makes sense if you turn off your brain and forget the last 14 episodes, as well as the decades of media involving these characters. The show went from nerfing them to set up tension, then un-nerfing them for the epic fights vs the Tamagamis, then back to nerfing them again. At least do the bare minimum and give a in-universe reason as to why this is happening, some kind of kryptonite that can nerf them situationally.

But no, we literally went from SSJ3 Vegeta toying with a Tamagami to them running away from unpowered soldiers shooting rayguns, and there was absolutely no reason given.

@Bastiono No, please stop lol, don't try to logic through this terrible writing.

Even if we remove DBZ from the equation, the fights against the Tamagami already destroyed any tension this episode was supposed to have. Did you not see how fast Goku and Vegeta moved when they were in SSJ/SSJ3 form? It doesn't matter if somehow Arinsu's magic is in those guns and it's strong enough to incapacitate them; they're able to move faster than normal people can see.

If Goku and Vegeta were able to beat the Tamagami easily, and the gendarmerie army can't beat the Tamagami, then Goku and Vegeta should not be struggling with the gendarmerie.

Bring in DB/DBZ, and it should be way more obvious why this episode was nonsense.

@stevejawbs, please remind me how the tamagamis were defeated easily,we saw all three battles and they were far from easy
The tamagami battles were one v one, not the melee that was in this battle

And anyone questioning why they didn't go full power from the start, go back and actually pay attention to the show, this is how the franchise has done things for decades.
This is a bit of fun if you're not only watching for sakuga

@Bastiono ...I'm sorry, is this a joke? Okay, let me remind you how the Tamgamis were defeated easily.

- Goku beat him in 5 minutes in-universe, and he took no damage.
- Goku went SSJ. The last fight where Goku significantly struggled to beat his opponent while SSJ was Frieza, which took far longer and Goku was on the brink of death many times. Also, current Goku is weakened due to his child form, so at best this puts the Tamagami at far below Frieza, maybe Ginyu. So yeah... Ginyu vs post-Buu Goku, it's a bit of a joke.
- Vegeta went SSJ3 and then literally toyed with him. He fought against the Tamagami with one finger. Clearly he didn't have to go SSJ3 to beat the Tamagami, but it was done for the fanservice.

The gendarmerie are literally unpowered people. Just because there was a whole group of them doesn't mean they're somehow strong. Goku reached the point of destroying entire worlds years ago, hell even Roshi destroyed the moon in DB. So yeah no, this fight was dumb as hell, Goku could floor an entire country's worth of people without trying if he wanted to.

@stevejawbs you think Goku was only ssj1 while fighting the tamagami? It was clear that it was at least 2, maybe 3.
The only reason Goku was ever on the brink of death during that fight (which was specifically mentioned to be a few minutes, I think between 8 and 10) was because he wasn't used to the power,he was clearly playing with Frieza the entire time after transforming, indicated by how easily ssj trunks defeated him when he attacked Earth.

Power level doesn't matter in a group , if you're surrounded, you can only fight one opponent at a time and everyone else gets to attack you while the one is getting the attention.

Vegeta went ssj3, I guess you missed the importance of that. He and Goku will only do that if they have to because ssj2 isn't enough

@Bastiono Goku definitely wasn't SSJ3, just look at his hair lol.

Okay, if we're going purely on the time Goku was in SSJ form, then yes, Goku vs Frieza was slightly longer than 5 minutes (since Frieza performed his world-destroying move shortly after Goku went SSJ), but then Daima's fight where Goku was in SSJ form was only 2 min 30 seconds. But yes, you're right, SSJ Goku did play around with Frieza. I was confusing pre-SSJ with post-SSJ.

This would put the Tamagami above Frieza, maybe around Cell, but this is irrelevant to the argument - The fact is that they were beaten easily by a form that Goku/Vegeta could achieve, which means they're not a threat. A threat would be an actual villain arc like Frieza/Cell/Buu who were incredibly hard to defeat until the main characters powered up to a level they hadn't attained yet. If the Tamagamis, who again were considered the strongest in the demon realm, were beaten by Goku and Vegeta in a form they can easily transform into, then every other threat is also just as easily beaten.

Yes, Gomah with the third eye could be stronger than the Tamagami; this unknown does cause some tension in the story. However, it doesn't make sense that Abura, who had the Nthird eye, didn't go after the Tamagamis and make a wish for more power.

I don't know what to say to the "group" argument anymore. They're literally unpowered soldiers. Goku could move fast enough to not be seen by the human eye back in the original Dragon Ball. He could literally hit every single one of them without them even noticing. He could shoot a ki blast strong enough to wipe them all out instantly. If you can't even concede on this one, then I don't know what to tell you.

Damn, I can't believe all those threats to earth - Androids, Cell, Buu, etc. - weren't just defeated by a group of non-powered humans. If Goku is struggling against a group of maybe 100, even 1000 soldiers, then all earth had to do was send a tiny fraction of their military after them, and they would've won! They would've had to fight one opponent at a time after all!

degesu is sexy as a woman

dabura should have use the third eye damn