Is there anyone here that even watches dubbed anime?

I've seen you make this claim before, but is there anywhere that tracks this? Is there any data out there on episode numbers, time stamps, or descriptions of scenes removed?


"Tourist" is a meaningless smear if you're applying it to dub watchers* I know that've been watching anime for over 20 years and have major roles staffing an anime convention.

*(who will watch subbed on occasion or if dubs aren't available)

Western anime conventions mean nothing. Only Japanese ones mean anything. And I hope you know that the amount of time you have spent watching anime is meaningless. "Anime veterans" can be tourists too. Quality over quantity.

I watch dubs, they're actually my preferred way of watching things. I usually go for the dub unless it's some kidified 4kids style dub or they have any of the va's i don't like list. Like Monica Rial

In general, dubs are fine and have no real issues, especially nowadays. Old dubs are cringe mostly because they had to be edited down for a tv audience, but most dubs now are only available on streaming sites. So the issues gone.

Sometimes the acting is bad but...it's not the worst thing ever.

I prefer dub when I was young yes I was the one that said Sub only. But I learned I can focus more on the anime it self and the story better if it´s dub rather than sub. And I notice so many time that the sub makes me have to pause and back up to read the sub because I missed what they said because I was to focused on what happen on screen and some time the damn text go past so fast and I can read rather fast but sometimes it just blink past.

The worst crime I seen is some sub where sveral people talk and you get like 4-5 rows of text to read of different people it is rather annoying.


I have a better question Is there anyone here that even watches anime RAW?

I prefer dub when I was young yes I was the one that said Sub only. But I learned I can focus more on the anime it self and the story better if it´s dub rather than sub. And I notice so many time that the sub makes me have to pause and back up to read the sub because I missed what they said because I was to focused on what happen on screen and some time the damn text go past so fast and I can read rather fast but sometimes it just blink past.

The worst crime I seen is some sub where sveral people talk and you get like 4-5 rows of text to read of different people it is rather annoying.


I have a better question Is there anyone here that even watches anime RAW?

I watch both in English dub and in Japanese. One of my favorite more recent dubs is Dr. Stone, as the localization used in the dub is more accurate than the official subtitle tracks which toned down some vocal tics characters had in Japanese, while these vocal tics were kept in the dub

There's kind of a stigma around dubs at least on the MAL forums and among some elitists over problems that are either out of date or less prominent than they used to be. A lot of people bring up accuracy as a concern but that is very much overblown. It is physically impossible to have a one to one translation and there will always inevitably be some things lost in translation, even in subtitle tracks. Dubs are also just overall significantly more accurate than they were back in the 90s and early 2000s which is where I think this stigma arises from. The practice of editing down Japanese shows to air on kids TV has pretty much gone mostly extinct, with the only real exceptions being the Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokémon, and Beyblade franchises. People will also claim that dub actors are "less good" than Japanese ones, but there is a little bit of bias there considering most of these people cant speak Japanese fluently which makes it more difficult for them to pick apart any flaws in their performance compared to their native language.

Japanese voice acting has no flaws for me really. It is so well done, perfectly fits characters and their personalities, is just rich and authentic. Anime producers always manage to find an appropiate actor for each character, no matter the show. There is no need to converse it into something else, more American for example. Americans watch with dubs in pirate sites. That is because they are - as usual - want to make anime titles their own property. They want to make it what belongs to them, something what displays their element which is English dubbing. On the other hand, this dub can prove quite decent. They have good actors as well and manage to become great alternative for japanish version. They do not have such diversified cast, though. Japanese voice acting cast seem like its sole point of existence is to serve anime. They have perfect voices for children and at the same time for old geezers and hags too. The great example is the character of Kazuto Yamashita in Kengan Ashura anime. Just compare: the japanese and english voice act of this character. This comparision displays clearly that English cast has way narrower possibilities. Yamashita english actor still did his job well, though. However, it is definitely not voice of an old man. You encounter same voices way more often in dubbed anime than in original versions - that is as well why japanese original voices are more appealing, especially when they are this good(10/10).

I do. I often turn off English subs whenever the option is available. Sometimes, such as when watching via TVer, there are no subs in the first place. One exception is when watching Hasunosora anime, which have Japanese subs. I've also been "watching" anime by just listening to the Japanese audio and having the screen off, if that counts.

@SwordBreaker36 I'll usually watch something subbed then go back and and watch it raw to improve my Japanese. I'm actually replaying Yakuza 7 right now in Japanese with Japanese subtitles to try and improve my reading lol.

I watch both in English dub and in Japanese. One of my favorite more recent dubs is Dr. Stone, as the localization used in the dub is more accurate than the official subtitle tracks which toned down some vocal tics characters had in Japanese, while these vocal tics were kept in the dub

There's kind of a stigma around dubs at least on the MAL forums and among some elitists over problems that are either out of date or less prominent than they used to be. A lot of people bring up accuracy as a concern but that is very much overblown. It is physically impossible to have a one to one translation and there will always inevitably be some things lost in translation, even in subtitle tracks. Dubs are also just overall significantly more accurate than they were back in the 90s and early 2000s which is where I think this stigma arises from. The practice of editing down Japanese shows to air on kids TV has pretty much gone mostly extinct, with the only real exceptions being the Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokémon, and Beyblade franchises. People will also claim that dub actors are "less good" than Japanese ones, but there is a little bit of bias there considering most of these people cant speak Japanese fluently which makes it more difficult for them to pick apart any flaws in their performance compared to their native language.

I can trust most 2010-2015 dubs but generally I avoid all dubs after that due to dei and censorship. I think many companies die to dei. I understand spoken Japanese somewhat so I notice when inaccuracies occur.

The final straw for me watching dubs was mha. They literally removed Minetta scenes. Also dress up darling removing the gyaru stuff as blackface.

@ForgotEyeWasHere Watching with localized subtitle translations from external licensors is as much "tourism" as watching dubbed. Unless you are fluent in Japanese and watch raw, you are missing out on the truly intended experience and aren't part of the primary audience. But I guess that would upset the majority here so this isn't a popular opinion, not like it actually matters.

That's right. Cyberpunk Edgerunners was made by Westerners, not Japanese. Therefore, it is not anime, no matter what MAL claims.

And all anime is better in its original Japanese. No exceptions. This includes Cowboy Bebop.

@DROO7 You're talking nonsense. You can often see captions and explanations in the subtitles - this is very convenient. In addition, the speech for dubbing is spoken for dubbing in accordance with the timing, scenes in the anime, etc. The dubbing actor will not be able to say a long phrase quickly enough in a short scene - he will shorten it. In subtitles you can write an almost literal translation, because no one will voice it, and accordingly, it is often more accurate

Cyberpunk Edgerunners might be a foreign IP but the production was not solely outsourced for the purpose of outsourcing. In Edgerunners case, it’s still a product of Japan directed by Japanese creators even with other international involvement. Though, further more and most importantly, it was quickly broadly accepted by Japan's domestic audience as if it was a strict Japanese IP. Unlike other foreign IPs that outsource for the purpose of outsourcing where they are even sometimes completely rejected by the Japanese people and viewed as nothing more than a Western animation much like Bugs Bunny or the Simpson. Even if some cases where it's a completely grey area where Anime-inspired animations tend to get automatically classified as Japanese Anime by people outside of the country without any real consensus.

Either way I wouldn't care if Edgerunners is really Japanese Anime or not, I would still watch and enjoy it and wouldn't try to push it as if it has to be Japanese Anime if suddenly people started calling it just a Western Cartoon. Unlike some people who will insist something is Japanese Anime, like "Scott pilgrim Jerk off" when there is an obvious grey area about it not realizing it doesn't matter what something is technically classified as, as long as one likes it. It's as if animation suddenly loses it's cool factor and will be seen as second rate entertainment if it's rejected or not accepted as Japanese Anime by some people. lol

@Swyzen depends on the subs, but unless you know Japanese you probably won't notice if the subs are different from what the characters are actually saying.