| Recently there is one incident in my work two days ago, I told my students to create a assignment about Alexander the Great in essay format, so what happen yesterday was after they submitted there assignment, During Lunch I was grading their essay there is one essay was too suspicious this student their essay was little robotic and dry then I found out on at the end of the paper it said a ChatGPT mark and this sentence "Would you like to add layer" I was like using Ai on Assignment. So, I call this student, and they immediately said, their using AI to improve their grade, Then I said them it is not the grade that important is about What did you learn. So, I tell them to rework their Assignment, by their writing style but not copy and paste from AI. (is okay to use as reference) I guess I was trying to say is, with rising of AI the students misuse of Ai like copy the words or cheating in Exam (my co-teacher caught her student using AI on Quiz) instead of is just another tool. What did you think of this situation Should I let it pass or is AI just another tool for learning (sometimes Ai was incorrect sometimes) |
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| You should make it a requirement to think up and write the text by themselves, that would allow assisting AI usage but forbid copying. |
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| I believe you should give that student a C or below on their assignment, even though you told them to rewrite it. They should not get anything more then a C because they decided to cheat in the first place. I would also recommend that you use an AI checker to see how much of the assignment is AI. Normally, in cases like this it would be a F. I think AI to an extent is okay, it can help find information. Do you have to report plagiarism like this to the administration of your school? |
| If the whole essay was plagurized from gpt that is a big issue. In college you get a fat 0 for failing a plagurism check. If it is a few sentences I would be a bit more merciful and give a warning. |
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| Yes... this is also the perfect time to explain to the students how to use AI properly. Alexander the Great isn't going to help them in their life and they are going to forget most of what they learned about him in a week, but practical skills can be quite helpful. Nothing against history, but they aren't going to be historians and even if they choose that path, they'd still need to get the data from elsewhere - it's that with the help of AI, you can do this much faster. rohan121 said: If the whole essay was plagurized from gpt that is a big issue. In college you get a fat 0 for failing a plagurism check. If it is a few sentences I would be a bit more merciful and give a warning. Copy-pasting the output of generative AI from a prompt that you yourself entered is not plagiarism. Also, I've scanned some of my old reports that were written back in 2022 and prior back when chatGPT didn't even exist, and ZeroGPT shows between 50-100% chatGPT use due to the lack of contractions and the overall academic writing style. These tools are flawed. |
149597871Jan 22, 8:05 AM
I still remember my teachers saying:
Don't know about other people, but I happen to carry all of these things with me on a daily basis. The reason people think that school is a waste of time is that it is so heavily divorced from reality. At least my teachers back then didn't know any better. All of that stuff was still at least a decade away from being reality. With AI, it's already here. And it will most likely make a whole lot of humans in the workforce obsolete in the next few decades. The ones that will survive longer are the ones able to efficiently use AI. Thus, I am considering it harmful to discourage use of AI. What should matter is the end result. Not how it was achieved. Because that's how the real world works. School is supposed to prepare for the real world, right? |
| Maybe I’m old-fashioned but I think you should fail that student. It seems that they didn’t even bother checking whether it sounded natural (or even spotting the ChatGPT mark!). They should be ashamed of their laziness. As a teacher, you have to encourage good learning habits. I know it’s inevitable that students will use AI at some point in an assignment. Even my own university doesn’t bother to check for AI anymore because so many people use it. But you should still punish blatant lack of effort (i.e., copying straight from ChatGPT without editing at all). If you fail them, it may set a precedent to other students to at least try and put a bit more effort in their work, which is a step in the right direction. |
SaiteiDaOretteJan 22, 8:48 AM
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Kisaragi_Toka said: Recently there is one incident in my work two days ago, I told my students to create a assignment about Alexander the Great in essay format, so what happen yesterday was after they submitted there assignment, During Lunch I was grading their essay there is one essay was too suspicious this student their essay was little robotic and dry then I found out on at the end of the paper it said a ChatGPT mark and this sentence "Would you like to add layer" I was like using Ai on Assignment. So, I call this student, and they immediately said, their using AI to improve their grade, Then I said them it is not the grade that important is about What did you learn. So, I tell them to rework their Assignment, by their writing style but not copy and paste from AI. (is okay to use as reference) I guess I was trying to say is, with rising of AI the students misuse of Ai like copy the words or cheating in Exam (my co-teacher caught her student using AI on Quiz) instead of is just another tool. What did you think of this situation Should I let it pass or is AI just another tool for learning (sometimes Ai was incorrect sometimes) I think if you pass them or not should depend on wether the sudent learnt their lesson or not Is the studend gonna actually put in the effort to learn the subject and write the essay in their own words? Or are they just gonna tweak the AI paper in hopes that you don't notice? I get that school is tough and not everyone is gonna be good/interested in every subject, but blindly relying on AI and not using a shred of critical thinking is not the way to get past such obsticals |
DigiCatJan 22, 10:51 AM
| "What did you think of this situation Should I let it pass" No F grade |
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| As I suppose you're a history teacher [Most likely I will begin the same job very soon]? There were plagiarism before and there was a straigth answer into this, there's nothing wrong with being inspired and using something as reference, but copy pasting is bad and is equal to failing, at university in my country for that you can even get kicked out. And if a professor would like to be very restrictive they can just call the police and in court you can pay a fine or even end up in prison for 3 years, but I guess that's just the case for the thesis or perhaps not only. Same with AI, there is nothing wrong to get a little bit of inspiration and reference from GPT, I am doing that for my own master thesis and I use AI to detect grammar or stylish mistakes aswell as sometimes to rephrase a sentence which I think looks bad [there are also webs which rephrases texts without using AI so yeaah] as my writing style is horrible, done it also to search academic literature but GPT still sucks with that. But there's a difference between copying AI and using it as a tool. Before I wasn't using GPT for that as my grandma was a retired Polish linguist so she liked helping me with corrections with that, but she passed away a little over a year ago so I ain't having that possibility. A student has to learn how to find resources and use their own thoughts, own critisism and own words to write something, if they intentionally avoid doing it, than simply they should be punished by getting a bad grade, failing, as long as they get it. And passing someone just because they are nice, or anything else ain't a solution. As the saying say once a cheater stays a cheater. It won't take long for them to do that again and again for all their classes. Seen too many others whom kept doing that, including professors and teachers whom were too lazy to be productive and simply never updated their lectures/presentations etc. |
ZettaikenJan 22, 11:01 AM
| It's kind of interesting how the conversation has shifted over the years. Something like this could get you expelled (ok, maybe not in high school), but I feel like people are a lot more lenient these days. It's challenging to know what to say, but I would have them rewrite it, and if they don't, then they just get a 0. I think it could to be good to talk about how to use AI appropriately, but to set some guidelines on what extent. |
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| Why is it "okay to use as reference" ? What are they learning by copying it from AI? |
| I think you should absolutely give that student a big, fat F on the assignment (without the chance to do-over) and inform the school and their parents. OBVIOUSLY! They cheated on the assignment! They submitted a AI's work in place of their own! Why in the living hell would you think they deserve a pass? There is NO EXCUSE for this kind of behavior! Have they shown you that they've learned in your class? NO! Have they demonstrated that they can do as they are told? NO! Have they made it clear that they care about the work they do? NO! Don't give them a pass for doing shit all! Other kids actually worked for their grade! Other kids actually do care! Other kids actually pay attention and learn! It's not fair for them! You are setting them up for failure if you give them a pass on this assignment. They are not going to learn how to take accountability for their life and take ownership of their work. They are going become an adult someday and you're not going to like it then when they cheat to get ahead and let robots or whatever do all the work while they reap the benefits. The fact that people here think that this is acceptable behavior.. we live in a society, I guess... |
| I would highly recommend you to read this article: https://www.chronicle.com/article/im-a-student-you-have-no-idea-how-much-were-using-chatgpt Funny question: do you think that the author used AI to write this article? Even if students do not ask AI to write the text directly, it is very likely that they have used AI to come up with the main ideas and the general structure... A way to get around this issue would be to ask students to write their essays on a Google document (say) in a controlled environment where they cannot use AI, but since they all have smartphones, it might be quite difficult to achieve. Oral examinations might also help solve the issue. Most students do not care about learning anything, they just want a good grade to go work in industry thanks to a worthless piece of paper called a "degree." And codes of honours serve no purpose if most students use AI. I think that you should fail all students who use AI provided that they were instructed not to use it. But as it appears in the afore-mentioned article, it might be virtually impossible to detect AI-assisted essays. |
| They obviously did not use AI as an auxillary tool to improve it, else they would have realized the "Would you like me to help further" part at the end. One proofread which takes you mere minutes is all it takes to remove that, so I'm guessing 0% of it is their work. Whether you fail them or give them another chance to do it properly is your prerogative, but do not accept that assignment at any rate. |
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| There is a difference between using an LLM to clean up writing style versus making it do all the work for you not even reading the results and turning it in. If the topic is history it shouldnt matter an "AI" was used for the grammar so long as they understand the information and it actually came from them. If they get info from an AI they will never learn how to even check accuracy of information and will be a mindless sheep ripe to be lead to slaughter. Any student should be made to know that. Also ideally grades shouldn't be a major focus the focus should be encouraging finding enjoyment in learning something, in which some flexibility in topic and presentation is important. |
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| I can imagine how hard it would be to be a teacher these days, especially in something like history where ChatGPT can basically write someones whole essay. I mean honestly I think you have the right approach. AI or not, if the kid is taking in the knowledge and actually learning from it, who cares it its AI? AI should just make the content more digestible. That being said 100 percent they should write it in their own words. Knowledge is one thing, writing style is a whole nother thing. Its gonna kill his in test writing skills if he/she doesn't learn to write it on their own. Of course, reading and picking out your own anaylsis is integral in history too, so I probably wouldn't encourage AI either. Buy yeah seems tricky with AI these days. Out of curiousty what grade are your students in? I'm not sure if this is true, but I would assume that if its a year 10 or below class you wouldn't really want them using it, especially since their focus should be on honing skills. |
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| I agree with not accepting an essay that was just copy-paste from ChatGPT. And giving a second chance to the student was kind. I remember having a similar situation with a teacher when I delivered a less than half-assed assignment and she gave me a second chance. I was very grateful and did a much better job on the second try. I think most people don't realize that many school assignments help more the main point of the exercise. At the bare minimum, they exercise the skill learning. Essays help with writing, communication, research and collection of information... Knowing all the facts about Alexander the Great might not be useful for more than trivia games and references in media for most people, but those other skills practiced by writing an essay about him are very useful. As much as I dislike text and image generators AI, they'll probably become more popular as time goes so it's better to help students to use it properly. In a way that it's a proper tool instead of a substitute for their brain. But I have no suggestion on how to do that because I plan on staying away from it for as long as I can. I'm already on track to be the old grumpy lady complaining about young people. |
| No you shouldn't grade them. Tell them to do it again and this time by themselves. Or show them how much fun it's do something by yourself like this anime Do it yourself. |
| Fail them for the assignment. If they want a shot at making up a portion of the points the assignment was worth you should make them write it in plain text on a Google doc right in front of you or a proctor and grade them off of their objective writing ability. The assignment isn't "What are AI's opinions on Alexander the Great" It is what is the student's opinions on Alexander the Great. Until they turn in the correct assignment they should not succeed |
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