| I didn't know about this movie's existence before. Sounds grand. Sadly, I think it is not in the database, simply because it's not eligible due to not being an anime. An animated Western movie, even if the director is Japanese, doesn't meet the MAL requirements to be called as an anime. |
| full credits Company credits All the information that I could currently find about it. Possibly outsourced to Sola Entertainment, but will have to wait and see. I for one will likely watch this one, regardless if it is added to MAL. |
    Summertime days, passing gentlySunlight, leading to an encounter; Dreams that don't want to end Continue onwards toward the next day While she waits in the air. |
Reply to NekozillaMaru
| @NekozillaMaru Well yes, that is what happens when west wants the "anime" marketing but doesn't want the Japanese to have too much influence over the product. If there are only American credits in the production section, this is likely to not get accepted to MAL. |
You all need to watch Nami. |
| @88expert If it is outsourced to Sola Entertainment for animation, then it won't be added since outsourcing doesn't meet the requirements for MAL's database. |
| Summertime days, passing gently Sunlight, leading to an encounter; Dreams that don't want to end Continue onwards toward the next day While she waits in the air. |
| I see Sola Entertainment lists offices both in Tokyo and Los Angeles. Their motto seems to be: "Bridging The Best Of The East And The West" From their works so far, they definitely go for a more western looking art style. |
Reply to perocles98
@Adnash The director is Japanese, Kamiyama Kenji even directed an episode of Star Wars: Visions wich is on fact in MAL, also one of the 3 studios involved is also Japanese, Sola Entertainment of Sola Digital Arts, wich made animes like Tower of God, The God of High School among others, and all of them are in MAL's database. So yes, LOTR: The War of Rohirrim is an anime, by MAL's standars.
| @perocles98 That's assuming Kamiyama is the sole director. It he's merely co-directing, and the other director is not Japanese, then it's not eligible for inclusion. Let's wait and see. |
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@perocles98 That's assuming Kamiyama is the sole director. It he's merely co-directing, and the other director is not Japanese, then it's not eligible for inclusion. Let's wait and see.
| @vytah Why would it not qualify then? Co-directing with a Westerner as part of a joint production is fine (https://myanimelist.net/anime/38292/Mutafukaz). |
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| lol bet on mal to not add it i say |
| looking forward to it, hope its a banger |
| Yes add it since suicide squad is here. |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
| More info at anime expo. How is this not anime? https://www.anime-expo.org/2024/07/03/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-anime-expo-exclusive/  |
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| @Old_School_Akira, we'll have to wait to see if AniDB, and Anilist add this title to their database. If they do it, then it's an anime. Then by default, MAL will have to add it no matter what. Although I am baffled why Catwoman: Hunted is not counted as anime despite animation being done by OLM Inc, and directed by a well-known Japanese director who has racked up a huge resume. I mean look at this, and tell me how is this not anime: |
| Meanwhile I can't browse the popular anime tab without being flooded with pin'yin """""anime""""" titles cluttering the results. It's been 8 years and no filtering options have been added. I suggest that if Westerners want their fake anime to be included in the Database, then they should learn the Xi Ji Ping style of diplomacy and start making generous donations to MAL behind the curtains. That's the best definition for anime you can find out there. |
| CAMPAIGN: If you write an anime review, please make it short. You're not a writer, Jim, I want meta-information, not a teenager's impression of a clickbait journalist.  |
Reply to Barusamikosu
Meanwhile I can't browse the popular anime tab without being flooded with pin'yin """""anime""""" titles cluttering the results.
It's been 8 years and no filtering options have been added.
I suggest that if Westerners want their fake anime to be included in the Database, then they should learn the Xi Ji Ping style of diplomacy and start making generous donations to MAL behind the curtains. That's the best definition for anime you can find out there.
It's been 8 years and no filtering options have been added.
I suggest that if Westerners want their fake anime to be included in the Database, then they should learn the Xi Ji Ping style of diplomacy and start making generous donations to MAL behind the curtains. That's the best definition for anime you can find out there.
| @Barusamikosu Uh, you do know that MAL has Korean titles on there too, we have a lot of Korean and Chinese titles on MAL too. So how's that any different? |
Reply to mdo7
@Old_School_Akira, we'll have to wait to see if AniDB, and Anilist add this title to their database. If they do it, then it's an anime. Then by default, MAL will have to add it no matter what. Although I am baffled why Catwoman: Hunted is not counted as anime despite animation being done by OLM Inc, and directed by a well-known Japanese director who has racked up a huge resume. I mean look at this, and tell me how is this not anime:
| @mdo7 Is it dubbed in Japanese though? |
JoeChip said: Is it dubbed in Japanese though? I don't know if it ever received a Japanese dub @JoeChip, but then again Afro Samurai and Cipher don't have any Japanese language audio at all, and yet they're still count as anime (and are both on MAL database). If Afro Samurai and Cipher can be considered as anime despite not having any Japanese voice-acting at all, then Catwoman: Hunted should also be in the same rank, and should be classified as anime too. |
Reply to mdo7
JoeChip said:
Is it dubbed in Japanese though?
Is it dubbed in Japanese though?
I don't know if it ever received a Japanese dub @JoeChip, but then again Afro Samurai and Cipher don't have any Japanese language audio at all, and yet they're still count as anime (and are both on MAL database). If Afro Samurai and Cipher can be considered as anime despite not having any Japanese voice-acting at all, then Catwoman: Hunted should also be in the same rank, and should be classified as anime too.
| @mdo7 Afro Samurai and Cipher are entirely Japanese productions though whereas Catwoman Hunted is largely an American proıduction based on a comic book. I am not sure if it's even released for Japanese market unlike Afro Samurai and Cipher. |
JoeChipJul 10, 9:40 AM
| It will probably be added. From what I see it already fits database rules. Co-productions with foreign companies are allowed if: 1) it is created in Japan 2) has at least one professional animation creator from Japan in a key position with creative control over the production without that creator sharing the position with foreign creator. From what we know, The War of the Rohirrim fits all these criteria. Japanese company Sola Entertainment is tasked with the production, and it is created by a Japanese animation studio (not yet announced which one). Kenji Kamiyama is also the sole director of the film. Character Designer is also Japanese. Only writers seem to be non-Japanese. |
TsarkoAug 14, 8:21 AM
Reply to JoeChip
@mdo7
Afro Samurai and Cipher are entirely Japanese productions though whereas Catwoman Hunted is largely an American proıduction based on a comic book. I am not sure if it's even released for Japanese market unlike Afro Samurai and Cipher.
Afro Samurai and Cipher are entirely Japanese productions though whereas Catwoman Hunted is largely an American proıduction based on a comic book. I am not sure if it's even released for Japanese market unlike Afro Samurai and Cipher.
| @JoeChip Batman: Gotham Knights, Halo Legends, Star Wars: Visions, and even Afro Samurai: Resurrection (the sequel to Afro Samurai) were US-Japanese co-productions. Hell Little Nemo was a US-Japanese co-production and animated film has been re-classified as an anime due to new evidence (ie: the 3 anime pilots that pre-dated the final product, and the fact that Little Nemo came out in Japan first before the US), and even MAL recognized the anime as anime on their database despite being a co-production. Afro Samurai was a co-production between US and Japan given that the voice-acting was done in English, and RZA of the Wu-Tang Clan contributed to the soundtrack, and it was broadcasted first in the US before Japan. And Afro Samurai is still an anime despite whatever I just mention. So if Afro Samurai can still be an anime despite whatever I said, then Catwoman: Hunted should be classified as an anime. |
Reply to mdo7
@JoeChip Batman: Gotham Knights, Halo Legends, Star Wars: Visions, and even Afro Samurai: Resurrection (the sequel to Afro Samurai) were US-Japanese co-productions. Hell Little Nemo was a US-Japanese co-production and animated film has been re-classified as an anime due to new evidence (ie: the 3 anime pilots that pre-dated the final product, and the fact that Little Nemo came out in Japan first before the US), and even MAL recognized the anime as anime on their database despite being a co-production.
Afro Samurai was a co-production between US and Japan given that the voice-acting was done in English, and RZA of the Wu-Tang Clan contributed to the soundtrack, and it was broadcasted first in the US before Japan. And Afro Samurai is still an anime despite whatever I just mention. So if Afro Samurai can still be an anime despite whatever I said, then Catwoman: Hunted should be classified as an anime.
Afro Samurai was a co-production between US and Japan given that the voice-acting was done in English, and RZA of the Wu-Tang Clan contributed to the soundtrack, and it was broadcasted first in the US before Japan. And Afro Samurai is still an anime despite whatever I just mention. So if Afro Samurai can still be an anime despite whatever I said, then Catwoman: Hunted should be classified as an anime.
| @mdo7 Catwoman Hunted is anime inspired but not really an anime since it's LARGELY an American production unlike Afro Samurai which is largely a Japanese production based on a doujinshi manga, not being dubbed in Japanese is simply an exception. There is also the fact that with no Japanese dubbing Catwoman Hunted is not marketed in Japan, unlike Afro Samurai, and it's part of DC Universe Animated Original Movies line and not a standalone anime film. For example, Thundercats was animated in Japan and has an anine look but we don't consider it anime either. On the other hand Marvel Future Avengers is an anime since it's both animated in Japan and marketed for the Japanese audience. |
JoeChipJul 12, 9:30 AM
Reply to mdo7
@Barusamikosu Uh, you do know that MAL has Korean titles on there too, we have a lot of Korean and Chinese titles on MAL too. So how's that any different?
| @mdo7 "Uh", it's not any different, it's an equally annoying obstacle for me to browser anime/manga and we've all seen the practices of Korean publishers on the Internet, very litigious and obnoxious, one of the most aggressive markets out there. You can't use one to excuse the other, address the filtering issue I brought up or do not bother quoting me, at the risk of making the thread off-topic. As far as I'm concerned, this LOTR movie is 10 times more anime than whatever MAL has been promoting for the past decade. But even it shouldn't be allowed (at least without filtering options). |
| CAMPAIGN: If you write an anime review, please make it short. You're not a writer, Jim, I want meta-information, not a teenager's impression of a clickbait journalist. |
| They added Terminator Zero. So they can add this too. |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
| new trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCUg6Td5fgQ the director is japanese so it fits the database rules of at least one creative staff from japan  |
Reply to deg
new trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCUg6Td5fgQ
the director is japanese so it fits the database rules of at least one creative staff from japan
the director is japanese so it fits the database rules of at least one creative staff from japan
| @deg same producers and writers from Dark Crystal with an anime director. theres some hope . I might watch it in japanese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVB_eWCfMV4 |
MichaelJacksonAug 22, 2:16 PM
| :v |
| Wish the trailer revealed more of the staff but it gave nothing we didn't already know in regards to that. Kenji Kamiyama is the director and Sola Entertainment is producing the anime (they are a Japanese production company, they don't do animation). They still haven't revealed animation studio nor any of the rest of creative staff sadly. |
| Yea there’s no way this shouldn’t be here. MAL’s cringe obsession with not adding things like this is so stupid |
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| It should make it in! Let the anime movies be free. |
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New poster. Please add it. |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Reply to Old_School_Akira
New poster. Please add it.
Old_School_Akira said: New poster. Please add it. Try submitting it and see how it goes https://myanimelist.net/panel.php?go=anime_series&do=add |
| new poster looks dope |
| Japanese title: ロード・オブ・ザ・リング／ローハンの戦い Japan release date: Dec 27, 2024 https://wwws.warnerbros.co.jp/lotr-movie/ One of the producers: https://myanimelist.net/people/9798/Joseph_Chou Representing: https://myanimelist.net/anime/producer/1189/Sola_Digital_Arts Pending submission: https://myanimelist.net/anime/59638/The_Lord_of_the_Rings__The_War_of_the_Rohirrim |
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| Sorry people, but this movie will not be added. Kenji Kamiyama's involvement is not enough to make it eligible. It's still considered to be an American production. |
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| lol it will not be added damn |
| Considering how much fucking Chinese "Anime" MAL has, why the fuck do they draw the line with 'some westerns being involved'. It's stupid, it's got a Japanese director and a lot of Japanese people working on it, and is clearly being done in an anime style, if fucking Chinese "anime" get to count with even less anime influence and less Japanese people, then this should count. |
| LOL, your opinion is wrong! |
Reply to Leknaat
Sorry people, but this movie will not be added. Kenji Kamiyama's involvement is not enough to make it eligible. It's still considered to be an American production.
| @Leknaat Sola entertainment is not only one of the production companies, but is the sole studio behind animating the movie -- it's quite literally a Japanese company animating out of Japan. The director is Kenji Kamiyama. So to recap, it's not just that the director is Japanese. It is a Japanese director, with a Japanese animation studio, animating out of Japan in anime art-style. If that combination doesn't count as anime, then I'm not sure what anime is anymore. The fact that there is a partnership with western companies doesn't change the fact the animation and direction itself is made in Japan in anime art-style, which again is the very definition of anime. I strongly call on this to over-turned, and if not, please let us know on what criteria. As the stated criteria you cited above leaves out key details, namely the production studio, its location, and the art-style itself, in addition to its director, I think some more answers are needed. Thank you. |
| Still searching... |
| @AnimeCAC, who is producer? who pays? if japanese producer gives the all fund for movie is anime if western producer gives the all fund for movie is "Western product" if japanese producer gives 30% fund and western producer gives 70% fund is co production but is "Western product" no matter who animate it is important who pays for this japanese producer can hire western animators or english voice actors to make anime for japanese market and is anime |
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@AnimeCAC, who is producer?
who pays?
if japanese producer gives the all fund for movie is anime
if western producer gives the all fund for movie is "Western product"
if japanese producer gives 30% fund and western producer gives 70% fund is co production but is "Western product"
no matter who animate it is important who pays for this
japanese producer can hire western animators or english voice actors to make anime for japanese market and is anime
who pays?
if japanese producer gives the all fund for movie is anime
if western producer gives the all fund for movie is "Western product"
if japanese producer gives 30% fund and western producer gives 70% fund is co production but is "Western product"
no matter who animate it is important who pays for this
japanese producer can hire western animators or english voice actors to make anime for japanese market and is anime
| @LittleStar Funding is an arbitrary condition. That has never been the condition before, it seems more like a reaction to this new situation. I believe most would argue that the animation studio being Japanese and animating out of Japan in anime art-style has always been the central definition of what anime is. The fact it also has a Japanese director at the helm on top of this, with a wide Japanese release with well known Japanese voice actors etc. etc. makes it indisputable. I understand the fact that the history, writing and production being a partnership with Western companies makes it feel different from other Anime. But essentially this movie is taking one of the most beloved and popular western stories (Lord of the Rings) and trusting an authentic Japanese studio / director to bring it to life. What an opportunity to bring Anime to the masses. This is a great moment for Anime in the west, and for some bizarre reason this site, for unclear reasons, isn't even admitting in onto the site as an an amine? Honestly, it seems highly silly and a big miss. Ask the Japanese animators and director if they thing this movie is anime, what answer do you think you would get? |
| Still searching... |
| @AnimeCAC, It's created by professional staff in Japan for the Japanese market. Joint productions, independent/doujinshi anime, aeni, and donghua are also allowed under certain conditions I.1 Country of Origin Animated works must be created: in Japan for the Japanese market (anime) in Korea for the Korean market (aeni) in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua) as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets Source: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101 Who pays for everything or more than others have rights for movie. That's why some producers don't want to share the costs with others producers and invest in everything because they want to get the most profit. if movie become hit and Japanese manufacturer will want to make figurines or other merchandise with character from this movie, they will have to get licenses and project approval from USA producers and have to share profits with them. Lord of the Rings is anime, because is made by japanese studio in compare to other anime-influenced, but doesn't qualify to MAL datebase. Some countries co-finance movies, to keep "rights", but some even if is made/created, shot in the director's country, if producer is from diffrent country it will be marked as that other country production. When manga gets anime, publishing magazine get more money than mangaka who made it. If you want know how anime/manga industry works. Just go to watch Bakuman or Shirobako, they show quite realistically show how is it. |
Reply to LittleStar
@AnimeCAC,
Source: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101
Who pays for everything or more than others have rights for movie.
That's why some producers don't want to share the costs with others producers and invest in everything because they want to get the most profit.
if movie become hit and Japanese manufacturer will want to make figurines or other merchandise with character from this movie, they will have to get licenses and project approval from USA producers and have to share profits with them.
Lord of the Rings is anime, because is made by japanese studio in compare to other anime-influenced,
but doesn't qualify to MAL datebase.
Some countries co-finance movies, to keep "rights", but some even if is made/created, shot in the director's country,
if producer is from diffrent country it will be marked as that other country production.
When manga gets anime, publishing magazine get more money than mangaka who made it.
If you want know how anime/manga industry works.
Just go to watch Bakuman or Shirobako, they show quite realistically show how is it.
It's created by professional staff in Japan for the Japanese market.
Joint productions, independent/doujinshi anime, aeni, and donghua are also allowed under certain conditions
I.1 Country of Origin
Animated works must be created:
in Japan for the Japanese market (anime)
in Korea for the Korean market (aeni)
in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua)
as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets
Joint productions, independent/doujinshi anime, aeni, and donghua are also allowed under certain conditions
I.1 Country of Origin
Animated works must be created:
in Japan for the Japanese market (anime)
in Korea for the Korean market (aeni)
in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua)
as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets
Source: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101
Who pays for everything or more than others have rights for movie.
That's why some producers don't want to share the costs with others producers and invest in everything because they want to get the most profit.
if movie become hit and Japanese manufacturer will want to make figurines or other merchandise with character from this movie, they will have to get licenses and project approval from USA producers and have to share profits with them.
Lord of the Rings is anime, because is made by japanese studio in compare to other anime-influenced,
but doesn't qualify to MAL datebase.
Some countries co-finance movies, to keep "rights", but some even if is made/created, shot in the director's country,
if producer is from diffrent country it will be marked as that other country production.
When manga gets anime, publishing magazine get more money than mangaka who made it.
If you want know how anime/manga industry works.
Just go to watch Bakuman or Shirobako, they show quite realistically show how is it.
| @LittleStar I hear you, but I think this definition is unclear, yet I would argue even with this unclear definition it should still be accepted. Lord of the Rings: War of the Rohirrim is made in Japan for the Japanese market. It is also made for the Western market after being created in Japan, like so many Anime dubs we enjoy today. A classic case of "both and"... This is why the western studios who held the rights to Lord of the Rings made the partnership. It expands western media into Japan in a way that is by Japan and for Japan, and it also helps popularize anime in the west, and enables grand story-telling in a way that is very difficult to achieve in live-action. It is a partnership that hands off the creation, animation and directing to be authentically Japanese and authentically anime. The funding, again, is somewhat arbitrary to real question - is it made by the Japanese and for the Japanese? Yes. It also made for more than just the Japanese market, but this doesn't invalidate the former. To repeat myself, it is "both and", and therefore fits the criteria quite clearly imo. All anime has in mind the worldwide market, even if it is secondary to their concerns. "For Japan" doesn't indicate exclusivity, even if I think the definition doesn't strike the heart of the definition. |
AnimeCACNov 16, 8:32 PM
| Still searching... |
Reply to Darkonius
@AnimeCAC
In what way is this movie "made by Japan and for Japan"? The script is Western, design works and creative direction lie largely with Western creators (who previously worked on the LOTR movie series), the music is composed by a New Zealand composer (who was the music editor for The Hobbit), the original voice cast is Western, even the animation is done on the basis of motion capture recorded by the cast, presumably outside of Japan. They haven't even revealed a Japanese cast. The producer side of things is also dominated by Western names. Sola are the only Japanese name on there. So how much creative work is really left for the Japanese staff? How does a movie that doesn't even have a Japanese version appeal to Japanese audiences? I can see that this isn't just Rankin-Bass style outsourcing, but can you really say that this is a Japanese film made for Japan? Isn't this really a largely western affair with the minimal amount of importance ceded to Japanese creators to be able to maybe claim it's anime and profit from that marketing bonus?
In what way is this movie "made by Japan and for Japan"? The script is Western, design works and creative direction lie largely with Western creators (who previously worked on the LOTR movie series), the music is composed by a New Zealand composer (who was the music editor for The Hobbit), the original voice cast is Western, even the animation is done on the basis of motion capture recorded by the cast, presumably outside of Japan. They haven't even revealed a Japanese cast. The producer side of things is also dominated by Western names. Sola are the only Japanese name on there. So how much creative work is really left for the Japanese staff? How does a movie that doesn't even have a Japanese version appeal to Japanese audiences? I can see that this isn't just Rankin-Bass style outsourcing, but can you really say that this is a Japanese film made for Japan? Isn't this really a largely western affair with the minimal amount of importance ceded to Japanese creators to be able to maybe claim it's anime and profit from that marketing bonus?
| @Darkonius "In what way is this movie "made by Japan and for Japan?": A: It is made by Japanese animators in Japan, with a Japanese director, with a wide theatrical release in Japan. You can check out the Japanese trailer on youtube. I agree that it's both a western affair and a Japanese affair. I'm not claiming it's an either / or. I'm claiming that even with certain elements being a partnership with western companies, it still sits well and truly within the definition of Anime, including the definition given by this site. Anime is a medium, not a genre, and this movie is anime - Japanese animation. |
AnimeCACNov 17, 2:46 AM
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