| More projects without a) broadcasting slot restrictions (duration, number of episodes), b) need to sell merchandise, manga, movie tickets, ect. c) need to look conventional/tell an easily digestible story would be good. |
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| Make CGDCT and idol anime great again. Please. |
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Commit_Crime said:
Fate/Stay Night Illya route
Fate/Stay Night Illya route
Illya already has her own route. It's called "Heaven's Feel" and it's very good. If anyone needs a new route it's Rin, who is not developed in any of the 3 existing routes.
But if it were up to me, we'd make Fate/Prototype.
| @Lucifrost I'd say Heaven's Feel is more of a Sakura route???? |
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| make more gambling anime in last few years the only one was Kakegurui, and that's an upper mid tier gambling anime |
| More anime originals, less adaptations. 12 episodes is enough time to tell a decent story. But not enough if you're trying to cram a 100+ hour VN or a 20 volume manga into it. It will certainly need a sequel or three but that probably wont happen unless the show turns out to be super popular and profitable. And even if it does get a sequel, you have to wait YEARS for it. But yeah, the 12 episodes thing is a problem. Can we get back to 24 episodes being the standard? Considering the slow pace of a lot of source material, more episodes would help a lot. |
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| If we are serious, there is a lot that can be said on this topic. There are a lot of problems with the ways things function in the industry, what is being made, how and why, etc. So it's impossible to go into it here. But to keep it simple, I will mention one thing. Anime needs better script writers. Anime scripts are very weak. They've always been weak but they have been getting progressively weaker in recent years. It feels like there are no good writers who are capable of making good well written stories and write good dialogue. That is most evident in original shows which are mostly bad these days. It also doesn't help that some old writers who produced great originals back in a day have seemingly fallen off (Metallic Rouge, Yurei Deco). It feels like today are no people who could write another show on the levels of Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Ergo Proxy, Texhnolyze, Lain or Dennou Coil. Some of those are still in the industry but they've either fallen off or don't get opportunities to make works anymore (this one is connected with other problems). So what I would like to see more of is producers finding and investing in promising writers, give them opportunities to write great works, bring good writers from outside the industry, and so on. Similar things can be said for directors. |
TsarkoSep 10, 1:42 PM
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@this_shit_again I can't be bothered to find all the topics and it's pointless anyway because the messages got cleared or the entire topic deleted, but I have observed most lolisho shitshows this year and mods only did something if the topic:
- was specifically about lolisho -> topic deletion
- or turned into a lolisho fight -> message clearing
| @Zarutaku That has generally not been the experience of other users.. Their experience is that moderators are more likely to censor threads and posts that are critical of that type of content.. And less likely to censor threads and posts that are affirmative of that type of content.. In cases where affirmative threads are closed, it's usually due to critical views being expressed.. Again, if you're confident in your claim, you should have no problem providing evidence that moderators act consistently in the way you've described.. Preferably in a thread of your own making.. |
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More anime originals, less adaptations. 12 episodes is enough time to tell a decent story. But not enough if you're trying to cram a 100+ hour VN or a 20 volume manga into it. It will certainly need a sequel or three but that probably wont happen unless the show turns out to be super popular and profitable. And even if it does get a sequel, you have to wait YEARS for it.
But yeah, the 12 episodes thing is a problem. Can we get back to 24 episodes being the standard? Considering the slow pace of a lot of source material, more episodes would help a lot.
But yeah, the 12 episodes thing is a problem. Can we get back to 24 episodes being the standard? Considering the slow pace of a lot of source material, more episodes would help a lot.
| @epidemia78 Too bad that's not a realistic business model. Even if you want to make more originals, you need to make enough off adaptions to be able to take the risk of making something no one has a prior connection to. I agree with the 12 episode thing, but it really only irritates me when the source material has been done for years. Do the newer Bleach episodes really need to be split up into 3 or 4 parts? I get it's probably to keep the animation quality more consistent, or something along those lines..But at the same time, the manga ended back in 2016. The anime could have been finished by now. I can only assume there was a good reason for the wait. |
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@Zarutaku That has generally not been the experience of other users.. Their experience is that moderators are more likely to censor threads and posts that are critical of that type of content.. And less likely to censor threads and posts that are affirmative of that type of content.. In cases where affirmative threads are closed, it's usually due to critical views being expressed..
Again, if you're confident in your claim, you should have no problem providing evidence that moderators act consistently in the way you've described.. Preferably in a thread of your own making..
Again, if you're confident in your claim, you should have no problem providing evidence that moderators act consistently in the way you've described.. Preferably in a thread of your own making..
| @this_shit_again In case of lolisho specific topics it doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, they get deleted every time someone reports them, because such topics are against the anime discussion rules. In case of lolisho messages it also doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, the reason why critical posts are more often edited by mods is because they are usually inflammatory or insulting, which is against the rules too. Also if you demand hard evidence from other people to back up their claim, you should first provide such evidence to back up your own. |
ZarutakuSep 10, 2:26 PM
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
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@epidemia78 Too bad that's not a realistic business model. Even if you want to make more originals, you need to make enough off adaptions to be able to take the risk of making something no one has a prior connection to.
I agree with the 12 episode thing, but it really only irritates me when the source material has been done for years. Do the newer Bleach episodes really need to be split up into 3 or 4 parts? I get it's probably to keep the animation quality more consistent, or something along those lines..But at the same time, the manga ended back in 2016. The anime could have been finished by now. I can only assume there was a good reason for the wait.
I agree with the 12 episode thing, but it really only irritates me when the source material has been done for years. Do the newer Bleach episodes really need to be split up into 3 or 4 parts? I get it's probably to keep the animation quality more consistent, or something along those lines..But at the same time, the manga ended back in 2016. The anime could have been finished by now. I can only assume there was a good reason for the wait.
| @FanofAction the industry needs to get with the times and get on board the streaming service bandwagon and stop relying on physical media and merch. Stop being an ad for source material. |
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@FanofAction
the industry needs to get with the times and get on board the streaming service bandwagon and stop relying on physical media and merch. Stop being an ad for source material.
the industry needs to get with the times and get on board the streaming service bandwagon and stop relying on physical media and merch. Stop being an ad for source material.
| @epidemia78 Ehhh...I'm not going to act like I know exactly how streaming services decide what gets continued and what gets axed, but I'm pretty sure money is a factor there too. Unless there's some contractual obligation to finish a series for a given platform. Again, I'm not all that familiar with how streaming handles all that. |
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@epidemia78 Ehhh...I'm not going to act like I know exactly how streaming services decide what gets continued and what gets axed, but I'm pretty sure money is a factor there too. Unless there's some contractual obligation to finish a series for a given platform. Again, I'm not all that familiar with how streaming handles all that.
| @FanofAction I assume it's the same way TV shows have always worked. Whether or not it gets a continuation is based on viewership. |
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| @animegamer245 when it comes to legal streaming sites then viewership matters |
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@this_shit_again
In case of lolisho specific topics it doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, they get deleted every time someone reports them, because such topics are against the anime discussion rules.
In case of lolisho messages it also doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, the reason why critical posts are more often edited by mods is because they are usually inflammatory or insulting, which is against the rules too.
Also if you demand hard evidence from other people to back up their claim, you should first provide such evidence to back up your own.
In case of lolisho specific topics it doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, they get deleted every time someone reports them, because such topics are against the anime discussion rules.
In case of lolisho messages it also doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, the reason why critical posts are more often edited by mods is because they are usually inflammatory or insulting, which is against the rules too.
Also if you demand hard evidence from other people to back up their claim, you should first provide such evidence to back up your own.
Zarutaku said: In case of lolisho specific topics it doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, they get deleted every time someone reports them, because such topics are against the anime discussion rules. I think you should refrain from making these assertions unless you're absolutely sure that what you're saying is true.. I've reported affirmative threads about this subject on a regular basis in the past and they were mostly ignored.. Even the most egregious ones.. I've even confronted a moderator about their lack of action on affirmative threads.. Zarutaku said: In case of lolisho messages it also doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical Not according to users who've experienced or witnessed censorship by the moderators.. Zarutaku said: the reason why critical posts are more often edited by mods is because they are usually inflammatory or insulting, which is against the rules too. Users were talking about moderators deleting their posts, not editing them.. And again, if you're going to claim something you better proof it.. Zarutaku said: Also if you demand hard evidence from other people to back up their claim, you should first provide such evidence to back up your own. Evidence that users with these complaints exist..? Just look around and you'll find them.. I think I'll be cutting this discussion short, since you're unable or unwilling to provide actual evidence of what you're claiming.. |
| @animegamer245 yeah... I know. I already said relying on merch is bad for anime. |
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Zarutaku said:
In case of lolisho specific topics it doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, they get deleted every time someone reports them, because such topics are against the anime discussion rules.
In case of lolisho specific topics it doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical, they get deleted every time someone reports them, because such topics are against the anime discussion rules.
I think you should refrain from making these assertions unless you're absolutely sure that what you're saying is true.. I've reported affirmative threads about this subject on a regular basis in the past and they were mostly ignored.. Even the most egregious ones.. I've even confronted a moderator about their lack of action on affirmative threads..
Zarutaku said:
In case of lolisho messages it also doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical
In case of lolisho messages it also doesn't matter if they are affirmative or critical
Not according to users who've experienced or witnessed censorship by the moderators..
Zarutaku said:
the reason why critical posts are more often edited by mods is because they are usually inflammatory or insulting, which is against the rules too.
the reason why critical posts are more often edited by mods is because they are usually inflammatory or insulting, which is against the rules too.
Users were talking about moderators deleting their posts, not editing them.. And again, if you're going to claim something you better proof it..
Zarutaku said:
Also if you demand hard evidence from other people to back up their claim, you should first provide such evidence to back up your own.
Also if you demand hard evidence from other people to back up their claim, you should first provide such evidence to back up your own.
Evidence that users with these complaints exist..? Just look around and you'll find them..
I think I'll be cutting this discussion short, since you're unable or unwilling to provide actual evidence of what you're claiming..
| @this_shit_again All the topics in the post you linked are already locked, so that disproves your original claim of the mods not acting on these topics. About rule violating messages getting either edited or deleted is up to the mods to decide, but doesn't make much difference and is beside the point. I can only advise to carefully read the forum rules: It's forbidden to create lolisho specific topics and they will get deleted or locked if reported, but it's not forbidden to mention lolisho in general. Users are allowed to mention it, but those who criticize it usually write disrespectful and provocative messages that often trigger shitshows and qualify as rule violations, so they obviously are more often subject to mod edits or deletion. Thus your observation about critical messages being edited or deleted more often is correct, but the reason for that isn't lolisho itself, as mentioned before. |
ZarutakuSep 10, 5:16 PM
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
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@Lucifrost
I'd say Heaven's Feel is more of a Sakura route????
I'd say Heaven's Feel is more of a Sakura route????
| @Commit_Crime Yeah right, as if anyone cares about Sakura. |
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@epidemia78 Too bad that's not a realistic business model. Even if you want to make more originals, you need to make enough off adaptions to be able to take the risk of making something no one has a prior connection to.
I agree with the 12 episode thing, but it really only irritates me when the source material has been done for years. Do the newer Bleach episodes really need to be split up into 3 or 4 parts? I get it's probably to keep the animation quality more consistent, or something along those lines..But at the same time, the manga ended back in 2016. The anime could have been finished by now. I can only assume there was a good reason for the wait.
I agree with the 12 episode thing, but it really only irritates me when the source material has been done for years. Do the newer Bleach episodes really need to be split up into 3 or 4 parts? I get it's probably to keep the animation quality more consistent, or something along those lines..But at the same time, the manga ended back in 2016. The anime could have been finished by now. I can only assume there was a good reason for the wait.
FanofAction said: Too bad that's not a realistic business model. Even if you want to make more originals, you need to make enough off adaptions to be able to take the risk of making something no one has a prior connection to. They could choose to adapt shorter stories that don't need any more than 12 episodes. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| here's my ideas - Pay the artists better - return to physical distribution, as that allows for more money to flow directly with a few less middlemen - allow space for cheaper, shorter, "worse" shows to exist as a way to allow newer talents to test themselves, learn, and get paid at the same time - more robots - allow space for incredibly niche genres to still have content (See point #3 for the "how") |
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Zarutaku said: Users are allowed to mention it, but those who criticize it usually write disrespectful and provocative messages that often trigger shitshows and qualify as rule violations, so they obviously are more often subject to mod edits or deletion. @Zarutaku This is true, almost every debate over lolisho I've seen on this site has had no shortage of virulent personal attacks, and every time it's mostly come from one side. |
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| While isekai is repetitive and battle shonen are popular, increasing the variety of genres can attract more audience. More mystery, private detective stories, and seinen could add depth and cater to different tastes. Focus on well-developed plots and character arcs. This includes avoiding overused tropes and clichés, and instead, creating unique and compelling narratives. Investing in high quality animation quality can significantly improve the viewing experience for anime fans who prefers anime like demon slayer.. If this fluid motion is available for more genre of anime then they'll be better appreciated.. detailed beautiful backgrounds for slice of life anime like seen natsume youjinchou, yuru camp etc for every slice of life anime, and expressive character designs, enough of the generic male character design.. Introducing characters from various backgrounds and culture like Machiko and hachin, 91 days, also don't make every foreign character blonde.. different personalities like more dominant female characters and less moe blob can make stories more engaging... Most Male Anime fans are M.. Innovative Art Styles: Experimenting with different art styles and techniques can make anime visually distinct but I would mind if they deviate from the traditional anime style . Also Ensuring that episodes and story arcs are well-paced can keep viewers interested without feeling rushed like Chainsaw man or dragged out demon slayer. Music and Sound Design more variation in opening and ending songs High-quality soundtracks and sound effects will enhance the emotional impact of scenes and overall immersion Balancing adaptations of popular manga/light novels with original content to keep the industry fresh and innovative.. No more fantasy video games adaptations, they are other kinds of games you know.. |
| - Finish and release the Zombieland Saga movie - Fewer shows pandering to horny boys - Fewer lifeless, self-insert isekai shows - More shows that are 20+ episodes Bada boom bada bing! Someone get this to some studio and publishing execs and anime will be saved. |
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| - Learn to actually allow more criticism and stop pandering to certain demographics. If everything can be stopped by just a few words from minor communities, then anime would never reach greatness again. It's done by the creators, not us. The only reason we resonate with it is the creator's capacity to reinvoke that sense of memory within. |
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| More passion works like Gurren Lagann and Kill la Kill with creative settings, plots and characters. I enjoy a good slice of life or isekai but a lot of them are underwhelming and nothing tops those two Trigger works. |
Otakupervert890 said: Next season have 7 isekai for 1 original isnt that ratio very high? so if there is 3 originals that is 21 isekais |
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- Finish and release the Zombieland Saga movie
- Fewer shows pandering to horny boys
- Fewer lifeless, self-insert isekai shows
- More shows that are 20+ episodes
Bada boom bada bing! Someone get this to some studio and publishing execs and anime will be saved.
- Fewer shows pandering to horny boys
- Fewer lifeless, self-insert isekai shows
- More shows that are 20+ episodes
Bada boom bada bing! Someone get this to some studio and publishing execs and anime will be saved.
| @KittenCuddler Nope. Isekai and boner pandering series bring in money, so it'd be very dumb for them to ignore fans of those. |
| Prioritize quality over quantity. Cut down the number of anime produced every season, invest the time and resources to make the shows better, not more. |
| stop making adaptations of pozzed western bullshit maybe less isekai or in general generic fantasy shows |
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- Finish every source adaptation instead of abandoning them half-baked.
- Reduce the output quantity and increase quality instead.
- Promote the production of more original anime.
- Dump all types of forced censorship.
Zarutaku said: Finish every source adaptation instead of abandoning them half-baked. Reduce the output quantity and increase quality instead. Promote the production of more original anime. Dump all types of forced censorship. definitely agreed lol but i'd also add, stop skipping shit, and leaving out scenes from the manga also stop abusing like 3 European countries and time periods and realize other parts of the world exist |
EcchiGodMamsterSep 11, 5:25 AM
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Zarutaku said:
Finish every source adaptation instead of abandoning them half-baked.
Reduce the output quantity and increase quality instead.
Promote the production of more original anime.
Dump all types of forced censorship.
Finish every source adaptation instead of abandoning them half-baked.
Reduce the output quantity and increase quality instead.
Promote the production of more original anime.
Dump all types of forced censorship.
definitely agreed lol
but i'd also add, stop skipping shit, and leaving out scenes from the manga
also stop abusing like 3 European countries and time periods and realize other parts of the world exist
EcchiGodMamster said: stop abusing like 3 European countries and time periods I need confirmation which ones you mean: UK, France, Germany? Middle age, Renaissance, Victorian age? |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
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EcchiGodMamster said:
stop abusing like 3 European countries and time periods
stop abusing like 3 European countries and time periods
I need confirmation which ones you mean: UK, France, Germany? Middle age, Renaissance, Victorian age?
| @Zarutaku pretty much spot on LOL you're the 2nd person to say UK, France and Germany and yea, ofc, Middle ages/Medieval as well as the late 1800s and early 1900s Europe |
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| More anime originals, mecha and josei romance. This will fix every problem. |
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i think we can improve anime by enforcing stricter standards on the medium collectively, instead of pandering to pumped out, medicore repeats of one another. |
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Get rid of yuribait entirely and either have those ships be shown without worry or not exist at all. |
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Zarutaku said: Finish every source adaptation instead of abandoning them half-baked. This.
Just a little rant, but I do not understand people who say less of X. If there is a lot of X, that means it's profitable, and that means there is a sizable group of people who enjoy it. Why would you want to take away their enjoyment? If you don't like X, you can just not watch it. |
| > More longer than 13 episodes long anime > Less Isekai and romance anime > More psychological stuffs > More uncensored hentai > Less anime each season > More unique artstyles |
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| More of Aqua from Konosuba. That's all I need. |
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More of Aqua from Konosuba. That's all I need.
| @SkyfallStar Based. You picked the best girl when the two other girls are the most popular. (if we're not including YunYun, that is.) |
| More anime originals and have shows that is longer than 12-13 episodes |
TheBlueSpartanSep 12, 11:30 AM
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| I guess making anime have bit of a more realistic approach would work in my favour. I mean an anime having a harem with girls who atleast act human would be a good watch. |
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