Would you watch AI anime?

@APolygons2

yeah except the prompts you just came up with arent "creative" at all. it sounds just as soulless as AI itself, so if you can't make a creative prompt, how the hell is an AI supposed to? AI can be used "Creatively", sure but that's like saying you got through a chess tournament by interpreting tips from a chess robot on the computer- its not saying much and its definitely not an accomplishment.

@Kenzolo-folk Do you think the only use of AI is the prompt generator thing?



That wasn't a prompt.

Ok listen, I don't think you understood what I'm trying to say here. Let's go with the DDLC example,

That isn't AI doing work, like



You are using an AI's assistance , to create your vision in a way that would be impossible without it.

Think of another example. Imagine a all routes lead to doom video game, but because of AI's use for character interactions, you have infinite way of interacting with the other characters and doing different actions. but the story is outlined in a way that no matter what you do, the bad stuff still happen, and you still reach the same bad ending.

Except one solution that you have to figure out through your possible infinite attempts.

That is basically what okabe goes through in steins;gate applied to a player of a video game. and it would create an experience that would be literally impossible without AI.

Another one, Think of a game about fear that has it's characters talk directly to the player about those fears. You can then make the final boss be created from every fear the the player explained, creating a personal nightmare that the player has to overcome.

Let's think anime.

What if a character was stuck in a time loop for a year, and you made the episode you used AI to actually make that episode go on for a year where people can tune in and out to it, before the show continues after said year.

What if there is a meta character in a show that is built to the streaming service, and acts differently every time you rewatch the show, but all the other characters are scripted.

What if you have a plot point where the character fails to stop an AI, and the AI takes over the world, so the AI can be ordered to rule over, as the author puts themselves in the character's shoes to take control back. A story about a struggle between a human and an controlling AI, where the author, a human, has to fight an AI that is controlling everything in the story but the main character.

That's meta story telling at it's finest!

Listen I'm just throwing out ideas, I'm sure someone can come up with even better ones.

But genuinely think about this, and tell me you don't think any of these are interesting or creative ideas. They aren't possible with the AI of now, but they will be soon.

@APolygons2

All the stuff you're suggesting, both video game and anime is just plugging in endless sequences without any actual meaning behind them. you can program your game to have endless interactions, how do you think there's endless randomization in games in the first place?? People don't do it because its a shitty concept, and at the core of it, its just not FUN or entertaining and videogames/anime are supposed to be both of those things. its just mindless crap being fed to you. The third game is literally possible without AI, it just takes more effort. wouldn't you rather play a game with more effort into it then just jumbo mashed together trying to disguise itself as interesting when its not? it's not creative to have endless crap being fed to you through a machine even if the end product makes something new, but that just might be IMO. All of these concepts would be 100x more fascinating if there was human conscious behind it to actually give it some cohesiveness.
This meta storytelling crap is exactly the mindset of these soulless corporations that think just adding random buzz elements like "AI taking control" and "infinite interactions" makes their story interesting.

edit: also sorry, I'm not trying to shit on ur ideas, it at least is something besides just generating stuff in a prompt. im just trying to say all of it CAN be possible with humans, it just takes longer. i don't think there's any point in rushing stuff like anime and video games, but ofc the corporate world is a lot more complex than that.

Did you read them? what do you mean no meaning behind them!

All of these had a point! It's not just randomized nothingness, what are you even saying. It's like you ignored every single thing that I said and only focused on the fact that some elements would be unplanned....

You can force AI conversations to lead to predetermined plot points, it is more than possible to make the interactions infinite without making the story random.



But how?

Like the all routes lead to doom scenario. It's one thing for a few pre determined options to lead to failure, but having FULL control of every single of your actions and still not being able to do anything would hit way harder.



Again, how would you do it? you can get a few of the popular ones sure, but there are infinite things that someone can be scared off, you can't design a final boss for every single one of those things!

Even if you limit it to a manageable number like a 100, you are still creating a 100 boss fights for it to not even cover every fear which also takes a HUGE amount of recourses. It's just wouldn't be worth the effort. no one would do that.



I don't think you realize how hard it would be to utilize AI to pull off any of these ideas. It's not as simple as just clicking one button and saying "aight, do the work".

Like the all routes lead to doom example.

you would need to create a gameplay loop that works with those infinite possibilities, you would need to create characters, give them detailed personalities, history and manner of speech, for the AI to use, you would need to write the story, and force the AI to somehow not allow things to get too off the rails and bring it back to the main plot points in the narrative.

It would actually be more work than just writing a story normally, specially if they only use AI for the thing that I said they should use it for.



Is it?

How is a story about a man vs AI, written by a man vs AI not interesting? I mean it's not a buzz word, I don't think anyone has ever done something similar to this.



Now this I agree with, none of my examples are even possible to do, or at least to do well with the AI of now. These are stuff that could be potentially done with AI in the next few years.

I hate the fact that companies are jumping on it. It's so fucking stupid, cause if they waited just a little longer, The AI might have been actually somewhat capable of doing what they want it to do but noooo "money now" they say. And when the result turns out to be garbage, people will both hate them, and hate AI for being shit!

Even though they are at fault for using it for something that it wasn't ready for.

You know what AI is ready for! Coding!

Every programmer that I know is constantly using AI and it works out AMAZINGLY for them. Programmers are probably the most thankful people about AI right now. and I know this cause It saved me so many hours of googling and experimenting when I was doing my programming course.

@APolygons2



Yeah but each interaction is junk. Stories add interactions because they're supposed to be moving to the reader or the plot. In the end it forms a cohesive story/development of the characters. This is just to set up to a corny boss fight. if someones able to make this tho that would be impressive, but as a consumer i would probably enjoy it more if the interactions were specific to the story and not just to a boss fight.



Explain to me how It is..? Im genuinely trying to find the appeal here. To me its another example of convoluted crap that try to sell you on concept alone when the concept itself is bland. I don't know, maybe I'm just not understanding what you're saying fully but to me it doesn't sound interesting. Just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean it's good, idk.



Yeah it definitely is, but we're talking about art here lol. shoutout to the programmers tho I'm sure they're having a blast with AI.

@LSSJ_Gaming Never heard of anyone paying to Botticelli or Michelangelo for inheriting the art style and composition. AI works the same way as human brain does, and no art is created from scratch, it's always generations of ancestors behind.

Copyright is just a corporate bullshit that constrains creativity or leaves african children with their cancer. One doesn't need to win a lawsuit to prove he's Banksy.

AI won't be coming up with ideas that have not already been used by a human, as we influence what is input into AI. Not really creative per se.

Let's take the definition of creativity from Oxford Dictionary for those who think that it still is creative.



Continuing on from the above situation, AI itself will continue to give the same ideas which we have input, not really expanding on them, therefore not original nor creative. Thus AI lacks creativity.

Anyone can do that then and make a career out of it if they wish to, I don't see why AI has to be involved. We can let people keep their jobs and keep the economy going that way.

So no, I wouldn't watch AI anime, like how I wouldn't watch AI Hollywood movies or ever learn appreciate AI art, as it is just influenced by humans, it is not original and lacking the human authenticity that @Lhundrup mentioned

I wasn't going to come back after saying my piece, but now I see we have another "removed user". Curious. I'm honestly kinda wondering why someones threads stick around when the person goes to the shadow realm. It's not like they can still respond. Kinda says something that this person chose to run away rather than accept anyone could possibly be against AI for valid reasons.

@FanofAction
Because this is a forum not Facebook. Forums are designed to be permanent. It's actually unusual for a forum to even have account deletion but they had to ad it because of some data laws.

@traed Huh. Ok then. Just seems kinda weird to me to see all these threads from deleted accounts.

@FanofAction Weird doesn't begin to describe this now deleted user. Google cache says they made their account in May 30th of this year, but the web archive says they made their account in January of last year. Is this cycle of making and deleting then remaking then redeleting accounts normal?!