Sousou no Frieren Episode 20 Discussion

@LG545 Ah the rationalizer. Your opinion continues to be disregarded.

@-Sleek- I actually don't remember what rank was required. If you say it's first I'll take it at face value, but then I have to question why there'd be a requirement for a rank that's never been achieved to pass.
That makes the development worse, not better.

@-Sleek- I actually don't remember what rank was required. If you say it's first I'll take it at face value, but then I have to question why there'd be a requirement for a rank that's never been achieved to pass.
That makes the development worse, not better.

And your opinion still consider to be useless whining

@LG545 You're going to have to get used to people not liking what you like. I'm not disregarding your opinion because I don't like you, but because you write terrible arguments and rationalized explanations in order to try and force agreement. You're an active nuisance and I'd appreciate it if you stopped pestering me.

Spend your time discussing with others instead, thank you.

@Smilomaniac for that you have rewatch ep18 because in that ep it was also mentioned why they need to take this exam and why first class mage is required for that region and it was also mentioned that there are few first class mage already so that rank has been achieved in the past.

@Smilomaniac Strong words for someone who miss explanation 2 ep earlier and put blame for this on the anime
If i am a "nuisance" - you are the clown here

@LG545 Ah I found the ignore button as well as having blocked you, farewell forever.

I don't get why this arc is dragging on. The whole premise continues to feel awkwardly forced and a departure from the tone of everything previously.

I don't get the 'teenager geniuses' rather than veterans and scholars. Why we're suddenly doing 'my hero academia' with quirky spells, I have no idea. I have zero investment in any of the hastily presented characters or the suddenly revealed reward of the exam.

This drags the score of the show pretty hard.

Is it just me or this episode doesn't feel as intricately made as the rest of the series? Character just spouted out dialogue for no reasons or any natural transitions like Wirbel suddenly, in the middle of the fight, just talked about his backstory to his enemy out loud. Or characters do illogical stuff like Wirbel just blindly trusted Fern for absolutely no reasons whatsoever, when he is a supposed battle-harden mage. The dialogue writing is horribly mediorce as it is filled with characters stating the obvious, talking about their backstories, or just spewing exposition when it could be shown instead.

I absolutely love this series but this episode to me felt like a massive fluke and most of the recent episodes felt like I am watching an average fantasy anime. Hopefully, the show can recover and deliver us a satisfying finale.

@Smilomaniac I can tell you that in Frieren everything is explained and connected very well and with lots of details, unfortunately if there is something of this type that doesn't suit you it means that you missed some pieces

No it is just you. Maybe you are tired or not eating properly?

@Gavinmercer No need to be rude. I felt the same way as Weeb--some of us can't stomach this much unprompted anime dialogue. Frieren in particular was great about contextualizing all of its speech before this episode, so it came off as particularly noticeable.

@eksratu But dialogue are necessary. This episode told us why first class mage exam happen, who organises it and what are the privileges of that title. It was necessary for the viewers to know more about frieren’s world.

• contradiction:
  
  • "They were perverts to love killing. I should kill you here."
    
  • "I've lost the qualification. I don't do unnecessary killing."
• "If she did it with just common offence magic, she must be quite a monster."
  Actually, you can't go easy on an opponent when abilities are close.

@-Sleek- I actually don't remember what rank was required. If you say it's first I'll take it at face value, but then I have to question why there'd be a requirement for a rank that's never been achieved to pass.
That makes the development worse, not better.

@-Sleek- I've misremembered, they haven't passed anyone 'in a long time'. Thanks for the correction.

@-Sleek- You're totally right about the information being necessary. I just wish it was conveyed at a time that didn't break up the pace of other conversations, fights, or character moments.

Like, the deal with the privileges and the organizers--that was told to us by a character who was about to get into a serious fight against capable mages. He probably should have been more focused on the task at hand instead of giving his opponents exposition.

@eksratu you are not wrong but whenever he was getting ready for a fight denken was stopping him and when frieren said she doesn’t care about the first class title, since he is giving the exam for the 2nd or 3rd time so he just thought that frieren should know about the privileges and it’s not the first time we have seen this kind of a thing in anime where character likes to explain certain things.

Funny how we got a more calm OP for the second cour, but there is far more action now.
3:18 Sorganeil doesn't seem to be a real word?

Wirbel hesitating to kill makes him a bit more human, I like it.
8:28 daaaamn, the eye twitch. Ehre must be important to him. And yes, as I thought, Fern didn't actually kill her, phew.
Lmao Wirbel's party is amazing. I like him so much more now.
I feel like I've seen the girl from the flashback somewhere... Or maybe it's Ehre? That'd be cliche, but I like it lol. Also damn, he is much older than I thought. This is kinda nice to see.
THEY PASSED HELL YEAH
16:24 Sense is scythe or sickle. She looks like the girl from the flashback too, huh

16:30 Genau is exactly

17:52 Idk what Jilwer means, it doesn't appear to be German

20:32 Serie is "series". I've heard this name! And she was in the first OP! I expected her to have purple hair.

22:15 Idk what Bargland is either. Also from some Googling I realized that all the spells in Japanese use 義訓 (gikun) - reading of a kanji by meaning​. So "Bargland" is written as 大地を操る魔法 - "ground controlling magic".

I feel like we're about to get some beautiful animation next episode. Excited for it.

The lack of emotion behind these characters is really starting to weird me out. I’m still decently enjoying this show but the lack of emotion is really weird.

Probably why stark is my favourite character, he shows the most emotion and is pretty badass sometimes

The lack of emotion behind these characters is really starting to weird me out. I’m still decently enjoying this show but the lack of emotion is really weird.

Probably why stark is my favourite character, he shows the most emotion and is pretty badass sometimes

@eksratu But dialogue are necessary. This episode told us why first class mage exam happen, who organises it and what are the privileges of that title. It was necessary for the viewers to know more about frieren’s world.