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Nov 22, 2023 12:08 PM
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This is against the name of the site, anything that is not anime should be removed, hentai can stay because it is anime.



I did not say that Avatar is on the site, I said that if foreign productions like it are on the site, they should be removed.
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Nov 22, 2023 12:16 PM
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They could put porn video in their database and i won't complaint.
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Nov 22, 2023 12:23 PM
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I don't think Avatar is on the database anyway, but yes. No point in making a website called "MyAnimeList" if it devolves into a general animated media website. In fact, there's a particularly notable image board that demonstrates exactly why dumbing down the core intent of the website to cover as many unrelated bases as possible is a fucking atrocious idea, for both the userbase and for the actual utility of the site.
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Nov 22, 2023 12:32 PM
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Yes been saying for this for years! Get rid of it
Nov 22, 2023 12:56 PM
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This is the first time I actually agree with OP.
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"Should foreign productions such as Donghua, Korean productions and Avatar be removed from the site?"

Hmm, yeah... I guess so.
Nov 22, 2023 1:01 PM
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No.

Considering the cultural closeness of Japan, China, and Korea in East Asian civilization, the geographic proximity, crossover of animation staff, huge overlapping market share with many Japanese anime having a huge market and popularity in China and South Korea which also helped contribute to the rise of their native animation industry, the influences seem interwoven enough for them to be functionally inseparable. Or, I should say, they technically still could be separated, but it wouldn't be desirable for this reason. There is a closeness of relation in the market, animation studios, geography, history, and culture there that doesn't exist the way it does in northeast Asia, compared to, say Japan's dealings with Southeast Asia or even less so, Europe and North America in this sphere.

Since "anime" in Japan and the Japanese language just refers to any cartoons/animated works anyway, I think it's functionally fine to refer to Chinese donghua and Korean aeni as anime or interchangeably with anime for the purposes of this website and its database.
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Nov 22, 2023 1:01 PM
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Obviously yes. What's the point of calling it "MyAnimeList" if there are shows clearly not anime on it?
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Nov 22, 2023 1:06 PM
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You do know that Koreans are involved in the production of truckloads of Anime, no? *coughs Dr.Movie*
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Nov 22, 2023 1:06 PM

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If they want MAL to be exclusively dedicated to anime, rather than just primarily dedicated to anime, then yes. Otherwise, no.

On a related note, it's weird to me that they haven't added Scott Pilgrim Takes Off to the site yet. I get that it's based off a western source material, and its artstyle doesn't exactly scream "anime", but it's produced by a Japanese studio, so it is an anime, regardless of what anyone says.
Nov 22, 2023 1:12 PM
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yes, absolutely: there's no reason for them to be on the site
Nov 22, 2023 1:14 PM

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For what? Thanks to the site, I learned quite a lot about Korean and Chinese anime and even watched some of them.
Nov 22, 2023 1:25 PM
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Absolutely, along with the ones responsible for removing all the aforementioned
Nov 22, 2023 1:42 PM

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Yes but only as a revenge for not adding popular doujinshi like Bibliomania.
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No.

Considering the cultural closeness of Japan, China, and Korea in East Asian civilization, the geographic proximity, crossover of animation staff, huge overlapping market share with many Japanese anime having a huge market and popularity in China and South Korea which also helped contribute to the rise of their native animation industry, the influences seem interwoven enough for them to be functionally inseparable. Or, I should say, they technically still could be separated, but it wouldn't be desirable for this reason. There is a closeness of relation in the market, animation studios, geography, history, and culture there that doesn't exist the way it does in northeast Asia, compared to, say Japan's dealings with Southeast Asia or even less so, Europe and North America in this sphere.

Since "anime" in Japan and the Japanese language just refers to any cartoons/animated works anyway, I think it's functionally fine to refer to Chinese donghua and Korean aeni as anime or interchangeably with anime for the purposes of this website and its database.
I'd say either remove them or place them in separate categories.

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Since "anime" in Japan and the Japanese language just refers to any cartoons/animated works anyway, I think it's functionally fine to refer to Chinese donghua and Korean aeni as anime or interchangeably with anime for the purposes of this website and its database.


I mean, they also call western animated shows as anime. Are you saying that you'd be fine if mal also added tv series like Tom & Jerry and Jimmy Neutron?
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Nov 22, 2023 2:02 PM

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Should we also get rid of the manga section because it's not anime? Having manga would be against the name of the site as well.

There is a lot of shared interest between anime and different kinds of Japanese, Chinese and Korean media. I personally find very helpful that I can track Donghua on MAL, especially because some of them have a Japanese Dub and are broadcasted on Japanese TV.
Nov 22, 2023 2:16 PM

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No. Maybe put Donghua, Manhwa, and Korean Manhua into different categories from something like manga. Why remove it when they provide different sort of content but are all from the same region?

As another person said, maybe start by regulating xenophobics on here.




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Should we also get rid of the rest of the users other than me? as that is against the site's name too My Anime List and nobody else's!
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Nov 22, 2023 2:27 PM

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I mean, they also call western animated shows as anime. Are you saying that you'd be fine if mal also added tv series like Tom & Jerry and Jimmy Neutron?


No, but it's more the combination of that with the other reasons about the close cultural and historical links, including in animation and the animation industry, between Japan, China, and Korea which I had mentioned, which don't exist in the same way with Western animation or that from other far-flung countries and regions.

Plus, like I saw one of the other users mentioned, I'm grateful to this website and its managers for introducing me to some Chinese and Korean anime series (yes, technically donghua and aeni) whose existence I wasn't aware of previously. Even if some I haven't had the opportunity to watch yet or are difficult to find to watch in some instances.
Nov 22, 2023 2:34 PM
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OdinPayne said:
This is against the name of the site, anything that is not anime should be removed, hentai can stay because it is anime.


No, because Donghua is literally just the word 'anime' translated into Chinese...

ShatteredSans said:
If they want MAL to be exclusively dedicated to anime, rather than just primarily dedicated to anime, then yes. Otherwise, no.

On a related note, it's weird to me that they haven't added Scott Pilgrim Takes Off to the site yet. I get that it's based off a western source material, and its artstyle doesn't exactly scream "anime", but it's produced by a Japanese studio, so it is an anime, regardless of what anyone says.

With regards to Scott Pilgrim, it's because barely anyone Japanese was actually involved. All the producers, main artist etc are westerners. The distinction seems to be specifically how much of it was actually produced by an East Asian source (Japan, in this case).

If we look at other anime from a western source we can see this difference. Afro Samurai or Deltora Quest are good examples.

Afro Samurai had people like Samuel L Jackson working on it. However, the majority of staff were Japanese.

Deltora Quest was based off an Australian book, and even had Delta Goodrem doing one of the opening themes. But again... Japanese staff majority.

In the end it has nothing to do with where the source actually came from. It's the staff majority.

Otherwise, we could add things like My Little Pony and The Simpsons to MAL, because they were partly outsourced to korea. XD

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No. Maybe put Donghua, Manhwa, and Korean Manhua into different categories from something like manga. Why remove it when they provide different sort of content but are all from the same region?

As another person said, maybe start by regulating xenophobics on here.
@LordSozin I agree. Especially with your last statement!

Heck, I'd accept having an 'origin' tag that could be added to the database entries (JP, CN, etc) Also, a different field for the names so we don't have to shove chinese name and it say 'Japanese'.

Most of all though, would love a way to be able to properly search and filter through Chinese stuff besides throwing a dart at the massive list on the Donghua club... Is there a limit to how many related entries a club can have? What if it breaks? ...

though, odds are no changes will happen. It's not as if the database moderator's can make system changes here, only the actual company owners.

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@LordSozin I agree. Especially with your last statement!

Heck, I'd accept having an 'origin' tag that could be added to the database entries (JP, CN, etc) Also, a different field for the names so we don't have to shove chinese name and it say 'Japanese'.

Most of all though, would love a way to be able to properly search and filter through Chinese stuff besides throwing a dart at the massive list on the Donghua club... Is there a limit to how many related entries a club can have? What if it breaks? ...

though, odds are no changes will happen. It's not as if the database moderator's can make system changes here, only the actual company owners.
@quercifolia, pretty much. It's weird that all the Chinese Donghuas are shoved into ONAs, not a separate category for 'Donghua' itself.

Even though I think displaying the Chinese name at the top is enough even though there are alternative Japanese titles and the like just below the promo picture on MAL.




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With regards to Scott Pilgrim, it's because barely anyone Japanese was actually involved. All the producers, main artist etc are westerners


The 3 chara designers, the art director, the 2 color designers, the 2 compositing directors, the editor, the sound director, the assistant director, the band who does the opening are all Japanese.
Nov 22, 2023 3:18 PM

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No. The name of a site should not be used as an excuse to make stupid decisions. IMDb is a "movie" database, yet it contains a lot more than that. Because it makes sense, because it's useful, because it serves the same exact FUNCTION as an "ITVDb" would and the userbases would heavily overlap. All of MAL's features are also applicable to other animated series, the anime viewer userbase is also very likely to watch other animated series (compared to the general population at least).

The only reason NOT to have those on here is mere pedantry over the term "anime" which no one gives a fuck about. Anime isn't actually a medium, animation is. Anime is just a mere geographical filter over animation, nothing else. Moreover, there isn't a good site that covers other animated works, so you can't make the argument that it would then try to expand into a territory which is already well covered by another site.
Nov 22, 2023 6:27 PM

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No? Yes? I don't really care tbh it's not that deep lol. I don't watch/read manhua, manhwa, donghua, etc. So I usually just ignore it, something I suggest others should do if it bothers them that much.
Nov 22, 2023 6:32 PM
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Wait, Avatar is listed on MAL? If so, yeah. It should be removed.

Chinese and Korean animation? No. The two countries are pretty close to Japan and if I recall, MAL has stated their addition. Plus, other sites such as AniDB and Anilist also list them.
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Should foreign productions such as Donghua, Korean productions and Avatar be removed from the site?


Being technical here, MAL is privately owned. They can basically do what ever they want on their own site. Though, if you ask me if I think stuff like Chinese Donghua and animation based off of Korean Manhwa to be Anime I would obviously say no.

If I was in charge of this site, I would properly start separating things for what they actually are instead of lumping everything together making the Users think everything in the database is Japanese Anime. This would make things easier for whatever Users are actually looking for. Whoever had the idea just to lump everything in the database together without having a function to easily separate things based on it's origin when searching the database specifically looking for genre, themes, etc... obviously doesn't care. As an example an easy fix to this could be adding a Donghua tag so Users can easily eliminate all Chinese Donghua when searching. The same thing can be done with Animation adopted from light Novels and Manga as well as Webtoons etc... I basically stopped using MAL to search for things based on tags specifically because there is no way to filter out Chinese Donghua when broadly searching for Japanese Anime fantasy franchises. As a User who is only interested in Japanese Anime I simply don't want to waste my time thrifting through a bunch of crappy Chinese Donghua.

Just imagine for a moment the uproar there would be from Users if there was no way to separate Hentai from everything else in the database.

If animation media was food and they started trying to pass off chicken as beef, that would basically be equivalent to false representation and fraud.
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i really didn't care one way or the other, but after reading a few of the weak arguments against them, why not? hell, keep 'em coming
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Nov 22, 2023 7:32 PM

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I'd prefer it since I don't watch them anyway. At the very least they could put them in their own categories so that they don't clutter the seasonal stuff when I'm sorting through what to watch that season.




Nov 22, 2023 7:38 PM

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no but i do vote for putting it into a different category like manga.

if done like that, i wouldn't even mind them adding stuff like video games, vns or cartoons.
Nov 22, 2023 8:24 PM

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On one side, i think they should be a bit more lax, by allowing productions that have been done in korea or japan but not inteded for said markets like the pacific rim animated show made by polygon pictures, stuff like the new scott pilgrim, most of studio mir productions not just Lookism (Avatar, Avatar Korra, Witcher animated movie, Dota Dragon Blood but not stuff like Voltron xd).

But if they do that then that would mean more than half of the american animation market including the simpsons and steven universe should be added the the database cus they are animated in korea as far as i know so that isn't a great idea, but on the other hand if they consider asian animation "anime", why the hell isn't "Trece" in this site? its a Filipino animated show based on a filipino webtoon made for audiences of that same country, i think it fits the criteria. I understand why korean and chinese stuff is more allowed, at the end of the day, look at the credits of any japanese anime of the last like 20 years and you will find that a decent chunk of the staff is from either of those places xd, does Dr Movie ring any bells?

Related to the korean and chinese stuff, television isn't as big in those places so everything is just "ONA", they should for once merge the tv and ona categories into one, idk how many animes i missed because they are so down into the list on the season list. Its really bad that stuff like Pluto, X & Y, Great Pretender, Link Click, Blades of the Guardian and other streaming only anime get put so much down into the list just because of some arbitrary reason, its only serves to hide chinese and korean productions into their own little sector alongside some japanese stuff too that gets underwatched, but it would be at least better if they just allowed you to pick "japanese" "chinese" "korean" if you want to segregate the groups of contents without that much scrolling with buttons at the top of the category.

Tbh having stuff from other parts of asia is doing nobody no harm and its a better website thank imdb to keep in check whatever you watched and look at opinions and stuff like that.
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No.

Considering the cultural closeness of Japan, China, and Korea in East Asian civilization, the geographic proximity, crossover of animation staff, huge overlapping market share with many Japanese anime having a huge market and popularity in China and South Korea which also helped contribute to the rise of their native animation industry, the influences seem interwoven enough for them to be functionally inseparable. Or, I should say, they technically still could be separated, but it wouldn't be desirable for this reason. There is a closeness of relation in the market, animation studios, geography, history, and culture there that doesn't exist the way it does in northeast Asia, compared to, say Japan's dealings with Southeast Asia or even less so, Europe and North America in this sphere.

Since "anime" in Japan and the Japanese language just refers to any cartoons/animated works anyway, I think it's functionally fine to refer to Chinese donghua and Korean aeni as anime or interchangeably with anime for the purposes of this website and its database.
@WatchTillTandava Basically this, although it should just be eastern animated projects and not stuff made in the west.
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They should just go a different category, like anime and manga.

Also light novels should not mix with manga, they are 2 different médias, with that said, I wouldn't mind seeing visual novels getting added as well in their own category.
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Avatar has never been allowed on the site.

I like having donghua and aeni on the site. Manhua and manhwa are popular among weebs so it would really be less useful of a database if they weren't here, and the site would be unbalanced if their animated counterparts weren't on the site. Western animation I'd rather not be on the site, especially since that brings up the subjectivity of what counts as an anime. You can safely keep Chinese and Korean media on the site without having to worry about that opening the site up for media from more countries slipping in.
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On one side, i think they should be a bit more lax, by allowing productions that have been done in korea or japan but not inteded for said markets like the pacific rim animated show made by polygon pictures, stuff like the new scott pilgrim, most of studio mir productions not just Lookism (Avatar, Avatar Korra, Witcher animated movie, Dota Dragon Blood but not stuff like Voltron xd).

But if they do that then that would mean more than half of the american animation market including the simpsons and steven universe should be added the the database cus they are animated in korea as far as i know so that isn't a great idea, but on the other hand if they consider asian animation "anime", why the hell isn't "Trece" in this site? its a Filipino animated show based on a filipino webtoon made for audiences of that same country, i think it fits the criteria. I understand why korean and chinese stuff is more allowed, at the end of the day, look at the credits of any japanese anime of the last like 20 years and you will find that a decent chunk of the staff is from either of those places xd, does Dr Movie ring any bells?

Related to the korean and chinese stuff, television isn't as big in those places so everything is just "ONA", they should for once merge the tv and ona categories into one, idk how many animes i missed because they are so down into the list on the season list. Its really bad that stuff like Pluto, X & Y, Great Pretender, Link Click, Blades of the Guardian and other streaming only anime get put so much down into the list just because of some arbitrary reason, its only serves to hide chinese and korean productions into their own little sector alongside some japanese stuff too that gets underwatched, but it would be at least better if they just allowed you to pick "japanese" "chinese" "korean" if you want to segregate the groups of contents without that much scrolling with buttons at the top of the category.

Tbh having stuff from other parts of asia is doing nobody no harm and its a better website thank imdb to keep in check whatever you watched and look at opinions and stuff like that.
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if they consider asian animation "anime", why the hell isn't "Trece" in this site? its a Filipino

The obvious answer is that they DON'T consider Asian animation "anime." This website defines anime as Japanese, Chinese, and Korean animation.

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idk how many animes i missed because they are so down into the list on the season list.

That's your own fault for not looking through the whole list.
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With that criteria, eliminate all manga and light novels as well, they are not anime so why are them on "MyAnimeList".

I'm fine with donghua and aeni, I don't see how anyone would be bothered by them being here.
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Avatar was never on the site and never will be. It's American produced and made.

They shouldn't remove stuff just put a filter for Japanese, Korean, Chinese
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Nov 22, 2023 9:37 PM

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rather they should add all shows which are animated. even disney shows. idk what's the point of keeping only animes produced in japan, korea and china. animation is animationn regardless of the country of production.

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Nov 22, 2023 9:44 PM

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I'm not sure, (maybe they should?) but they should remove anime songs on here, as it's not an actual anime episode or the stop motion/claymation short videos.
Nov 22, 2023 11:30 PM

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"Should foreign productions such as Donghua, Korean productions and Avatar be removed from the site?"

Well, not removed, since it's important information gathered for years by many people, but I want it somehow filtered.
Ironically AniDB has tags for that, but those aren't properly used (or maybe it's a work in progress?).

Which Avatar tho, Quanzhi Gaoshou aka The King's Avatar?
Nov 23, 2023 12:05 AM

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@quercifolia, pretty much. It's weird that all the Chinese Donghuas are shoved into ONAs, not a separate category for 'Donghua' itself.

Even though I think displaying the Chinese name at the top is enough even though there are alternative Japanese titles and the like just below the promo picture on MAL.
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ONA just refers to where they aired the entry first.
A lot of Chinese series in particular air on the online platforms like Bilibili/Tencent Video/etc. first.
It's basically just the equivalent of OVA meaning straight to DVD where the series is straight to streaming first if it's an ONA.
Nov 23, 2023 12:40 AM

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In my opinion they should only allow North Korean cartoons on this site.





Nov 23, 2023 1:27 AM

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I don't think manhwa, donghua and manhua should be removed, they do have close ties to Japanese manga after all and there's a lot of overlap of the fanbases.
I don't get however how some manhua are added, but their donghua adaptations aren't in the database. Kinda puzzled me when I was looking for one I was watching and I did find the manhua but the animated version was nowhere to be seen in the database.

Wouldn't be bad if they're in separate categories though to make a distinction.
Nov 23, 2023 1:56 AM

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"Should foreign productions such as Donghua, Korean productions and Avatar be removed from the site?"

Well, not removed, since it's important information gathered for years by many people, but I want it somehow filtered.
Ironically AniDB has tags for that, but those aren't properly used (or maybe it's a work in progress?).

Which Avatar tho, Quanzhi Gaoshou aka The King's Avatar?
alshu said:
Well, not removed, since it's important information gathered for years by many people, but I want it somehow filtered.
Ironically AniDB has tags for that, but those aren't properly used (or maybe it's a work in progress?).


I mentioned this in my earlier post to simply add stuff like a freaken Donghua tag. Weird this site allows Users to completely filter out kids shows and adult content but makes no effort to allow Users to filter out something as simple as animation based on it's origin.


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I do think that they are not supposed to be here as they are not anime and this website is literally called theanimelist. But it does create a wider range of users and sometimes even i want arcane to be added so i have no qualms about them being here
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Nov 23, 2023 2:19 AM

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I am not interested much in this great number of new Chinese/Korean entries, but I don't want some titles which have been here for ages to be removed.
e. g. some Korean movies like Aachi wa Ssipak, or some shorts. They have to be here.
By the way, could you please link me Avatar entry here on MAL, Mr. Rattle-brain?
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No, i get that it goes against the name of the site but i found a lot of korean and chinese stuff through mal and im glad that mal recommended those things to me since i found a lot more content to enjoy. Would not have found the new content had MAL not shown it to me and now i can enjoy a lot more stuff and not just one kind

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I did not say that Avatar is on the site, I said that if foreign productions like it are on the site, they should be removed.
Nov 23, 2023 10:52 AM
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@quercifolia

quercifolia said:
With regards to Scott Pilgrim, it's because barely anyone Japanese was actually involved. All the producers, main artist etc are westerners


The 3 chara designers, the art director, the 2 color designers, the 2 compositing directors, the editor, the sound director, the assistant director, the band who does the opening are all Japanese.
@IKKIsama Lets see here

11 executive producers. One Japanese person.

Art director: Spanish
Developed and written by: Canadians
Soundtrack by: American composer and American chiptune band

If you look on IMDB the billed cast is not Japanese, and the majority of people on the team do not have Japanese names.

In particular, every editor listed there is not Japanese, the sound department is not Japanese, and there is no assistant director listed. If you have sources for those, please share so they could be added to IMDB.

So, at this point we have... An outsourced studio and a band. This does not an anime make. Not unless you think the Simpsons is anime, because it has Korean outsourcing.

As for the band, other contributors include Johnny Cash and Dead Kennedys. So even the Japanese band is in a minority, there are only two Japanese bands credited with any music here. Necry Talkie & Kinuko Oomori. For some reason they're using music from Bubblegum Crisis. lol
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LordSozin said:
@quercifolia, pretty much. It's weird that all the Chinese Donghuas are shoved into ONAs, not a separate category for 'Donghua' itself.

Even though I think displaying the Chinese name at the top is enough even though there are alternative Japanese titles and the like just below the promo picture on MAL.


Ah, regarding ONA, that is just the 'type', such as 'movie' or 'music'. It's not related to the origin. There are TV, music, movie type Donghua too.

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