| Yeah sure, i get along well with yaoi fans. They have their thing and i got my own. |
| Yes, both fandoms can coexist. I participate in both fandoms and I'm not bisexual. I love both fandoms, but I have to admit that I really like the fujodanshis (except the ones who only talk in healthy BL or are sex-averse, but I respect them), they are really fun to talk to. |
| They just have to do the same thing any other potential clashing fanbases can or should do Let people enjoy things. |
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| Of course it’s possible. It’s just that the people from either side who dislike the other side are more vocal about it, and therefore get more attention. Maybe I’m biased since I’m bisexual and enjoy both, but I’ve always thought it was stupid to try and argue that one is better than the other. We’re all here for same-sex relationships, so at the end of the day, why are we arguing. |
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| I always assumed we could. I'm a yuri fan, though most of yaoi fans I know irl speak incoherently when talking about their ships, we get along just fine. |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
deg said: can yaoi fans or boys love fans and yuri fans or girls love fans ever coexist? I am sure you have heard the saying opposites attract. Two people can totally get along with each other that have opposite interests. Sure the internet might not reflect this well, but if people in real life didn't get along with each other over such petty differences no one in the world would talk to anyone because not everyone is interested in the same things. |
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| I'm on both teams, so... I guess? And I'm not bisexual either. I just enjoy how gay romance stories usually have more depth and less uncomfortable tropes, like the many insert MCs in straight romance. |
| no they cannot yaoi just too repulsive for a straight guy I am not saying gays should be banned, but I do not want to see any myself. In contrast I am chill with most yuri. |
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| Probably would if not for the straight male fetishist part of the yuri fandom whose participants are deeply insecure about their own sexuality and can't help but often express how much yaoi disgusts them. |
| "can yaoi fans or boys love fans and yuri fans or girls love fans ever coexist?" Of course. :) |
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| Why do you think this is something unusual? If the show has active yuri shipping, they will definitely try to ship male characters witch each other to "exclude them from the equation" and vice versa. Bisalissy said: Lol. first, they have self-insert. Look at the protagonists in shoujo yuri and BL. Second, these shows often don't have self-inserts because they sell BOTH sides as waifu or hasubendo. In straight romance you usually have a protagonist and wish fulfillment with a love interest, but here both sides of pairing are wish fulfillment. The idea that gay romance is deeper and more developed than straight is simply not understanding the tropes and intentions of the writers. Not to mention, queer romance often forgives characters for things that would be very toxic in straight due to the lack of gender dynamics. And many of the fans forgive them for this, also following the logic that an abusive or toxic relationship becomes harmless if it's not between a man and a woman.I'm on both teams, so... I guess? And I'm not bisexual either. I just enjoy how gay romance stories usually have more depth and less uncomfortable tropes, like the many insert MCs in straight romance. |
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Advide said: On the contrary, these people are maximally heterosexual, because yuri attracts them purely from the straight side (hot characters of the opposite sex with each other), while not only BL, but even the very existence of male characters annoys them. It seems like yuri shipping has become so ingrained in LGBTQ culture that people don't understand why this kind of thing attracts overly horny straight guys.Probably would if not for the straight male fetishist part of the yuri fandom whose participants are deeply insecure about their own sexuality and can't help but often express how much yaoi disgusts them. |
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| both are the same thing but love for different genders, i don't see why not. |
 The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
| We often don't have any problem with each other, to be honest, =P The problem we both face is aggressive homophobes. They get really angry if you dare interpret a character as a homosexual and they are also often very abusive towards anyone who has a same-sex ship It is kind of funny sometimes how much denial those low-life homophobes are in. I have seen some anime with gay kissing and there they are desperately screaming " NOOOO it's just a friendship kiss hurr durr durr " And similar stuff. Even seen shows where the girls come out as lesbians and want to marry each other, and then the homophobes start screaming "NOO they are only joking"No friends can also marry each other" LOL Sadly MAL is infected with those extremely aggressive haters. The forum moderators are sometimes slow to do their job and we have to withstand a lot of abuse from them. I have even received death threats and worst from these "people" Yaoi fans are awesome❤ And I don't have any problem coexisting with them. Homophobes on the other hand are our enemy. We will NEVER coexist! And I will NEVER surrender to them! Homophobes can hate me! They can curse my name in eternity. I will still be here and praise my lesbian ships!! Lesbian kissing is the best thing ever,,,YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES  This is how the typical homophobe are reasoning in Yuri  |
Yuri-CrusaderJun 26, 2023 12:56 AM
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| If anyone could, please enlighten me about how one being bisexual, would make coexisting easier. Both fans share the similarity that they tend to like same-sex relations between characters, so even though the tropes might be a bit different (I tend to like BL more, so I am not sure of the tropes in GL tbh...), I don't see why the fandoms would clash. If there's problems, I'd imagine they come from the individual more than the general fandom... but I can't speak surely of that. |
| Waiting for something to happen? |
| Of course, I mean yaoi fans only care about guys and yuri fans only care about girls. I don't even see a conflict there, they both don't care for the characters of the other one. |
| I rarely ship characters in general. I usually just want for the character to be with whoever they like that I also like. |
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| Aren't we like completely different spheres that don't really overlap? Like i never really even got a chance to interact with a yaoi fan i mean like that's none of my business why would I invade their space and be annoying In reality were on the same team, we want our fav characters to at least have the ability to get married u know And both camps think that heterosexual relationships are wack c: |
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Nutella71 said: Ugly bastards' equivalent in the Yuri world would be the older attractive often big-breasted female in a power position, having fun with the little loli hehehehehehehe Niophoria said: Same, but from the few gl works I've read so far (short manga/manhwa/manhua), I think there are at least two "tropes" (or rather themes) that are more or less almost the same, or mirror images, as those in bl. The vintage Okane ga nai-esque rich handsome CEO dommy daddy type of top + smaller skinny bottom translate to a big boobied mommy character + again, a smaller, flatter, more bland self-insert like girl. Also the incest ones: instead of two brothers, there's two sisters, including the age-gap, not blood-related etc. incest-adjacent schtick. Not sure if there's as much dad/uncle and son incest (mom/aunt and daughter) in gl though. Curious if there's an ugly bastard equivalent in gl as well. Maybe @Yuri-Crusader can correct me if I was mistaken or add some examples if I got it right lolso even though the tropes might be a bit different (I tend to like BL more, so I am not sure of the tropes in GL tbh... Pretty popular hentai genre =) This is what the typical "ugly" bastard scenario looks like in Yuri. Also, in Yuri it's often the lolicon or younger female who takes the initiative  |
Yuri-CrusaderJun 26, 2023 6:25 AM
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| It is possible. Though I think Yuri fans will find it harder to come into agreement then yaoi fans as I've noticed (on here at least) they struggle more on the concept of men liking men that way. I watch yaoi over yuri but I'm not against Yuri if it's the right one. |
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Bisalissy said: What a hypocrite! BL has so many tropes and I suppose you think that a relationship built on sexual assault and rape is very comfortable and deep for you.I'm on both teams, so... I guess? And I'm not bisexual either. I just enjoy how gay romance stories usually have more depth and less uncomfortable tropes, like the many insert MCs in straight romance. |
| @Felori oh come onnnn im just saying that neither of the camps is too happy if a character we like chooses a partner that is not the same gender, rite? i just said that in a more ughhh provocative way heh |
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| If you dislike a kind of person just because their sexual preferences are different to yours, you have problems. Watch what entertains you, don't watch what doesn't, and be friends with everyone. |
Yuri-Crusader said: Yeah I would've guessed the "ugly bastard" (ugly bitch?) wouldn't actually be ugly. Then the biggest tell must be the attitude and pairing dynamics. I'm still not fully sure why bl authors then deliberately make the "bastard" the ugliest and creepiest they can. And I've seen many fans get bored of the overwhelming creepyness, not so much the looks (in the way of "idc if he's big, bald or sweaty but ffs tone down the creep factor for once"). I suspect it's to accentuate the gap between the bastard and the cute mc getting ***** by said bastard which is exciting I presume. Anyway, I must read more gl then if I want to compare and discover more things between them. Thanks for the explanation xDNutella71 said: Ugly bastards' equivalent in the Yuri world would be the older attractive often big-breasted female in a power position, having fun with the little loli hehehehehehehe Same, but from the few gl works I've read so far (short manga/manhwa/manhua), I think there are at least two "tropes" (or rather themes) that are more or less almost the same, or mirror images, as those in bl. The vintage Okane ga nai-esque rich handsome CEO dommy daddy type of top + smaller skinny bottom translate to a big boobied mommy character + again, a smaller, flatter, more bland self-insert like girl. Also the incest ones: instead of two brothers, there's two sisters, including the age-gap, not blood-related etc. incest-adjacent schtick. Not sure if there's as much dad/uncle and son incest (mom/aunt and daughter) in gl though. Curious if there's an ugly bastard equivalent in gl as well. Maybe @Yuri-Crusader can correct me if I was mistaken or add some examples if I got it right lol Pretty popular hentai genre =) This is what the typical "ugly" bastard scenario looks like in Yuri. Also, in Yuri it's often the lolicon or younger female who takes the initiative |
| This is site for weebs in 2023, I genuinely doubt many people here care whether you like yaoi or yuri. Why would someone who likes yaoi not like people who like yuri, anyway? |
Maou_heika said: What a hypocrite! BL has so many tropes and I suppose you think that a relationship built on sexual assault and rape is very comfortable and deep for you. RobertBobert said: Lol. first, they have self-insert. Look at the protagonists in shoujo yuri and BL. Second, these shows often don't have self-inserts because they sell BOTH sides as waifu or hasubendo. In straight romance you usually have a protagonist and wish fulfillment with a love interest, but here both sides of pairing are wish fulfillment. The idea that gay romance is deeper and more developed than straight is simply not understanding the tropes and intentions of the writers. Not to mention, queer romance often forgives characters for things that would be very toxic in straight due to the lack of gender dynamics. And many of the fans forgive them for this, also following the logic that an abusive or toxic relationship becomes harmless if it's not between a man and a woman. I know BL has a dark past and I stay away from such works. There is a lot of trash in this genre. But I would personally consider Rape/Assault BLs as part of Erotica/Hentai and not "Normal romance". And those are equally awful for BL, Yuri and Straight. That said, I still believe the general idea of falling in love "the wrong way" and overcoming social norms gives a gay romance story a general advantage for deep content. This does not mean all of them make use of this and it does not say there aren't any deep straight romance stories. I'd even say Shikimori and Nagatoro have better couple dynamics than any romance Yuri main couple I know. And BL/Yuri certainly has it's bad tropes too. I've even seen some Shojo BL feature Insert Protagonists (essentially a girl with a dick). Don't know if any of the Yuris I've seen or read were Shonen, but I don't think any of them had insert protagonists. There surely are some of those though. The Top/Bottom dynamic is another problem many gay works (even non Erotica/Hentai) have, but that is just forcing straight gender dynamics (once again - not every work has this!) onto gay stories. Regarding gender dynamics: That is actually an awful trope to me. Top/Bottom trope is bad. Cutting a line in how a boy behaves in romance and how a girl behaves in romance is the same, but worse. And toxic relationships are not related to the sexuality for me. Citrus has a pretty toxic romance, but I'd like it even if Mei or Matsuri were boys, because it is an interesting story and does well solving these issues. I might actually prefer it that way. Finally, for Wish Fulfillemnt X Wish Fulfillemnt couples, I don't see this as a problem. If you take the Insert Protagonist out of the equation. Many of Wish Fulfillment characters are actually written well. Of course, characters with no personality and just sexual appeal are always bad. But that's not even a genre or an Animanga problem. That is a thing in every form of storytelling. |
| No my dislike for male characters are already beyond limitations |
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Bisalissy said: You are simply confusing your tastes with actual quality. Just because you prefer gay romance more than straight because of the dynamics you like between characters doesn't make gay romance better OR worse than straight. It seems that you are also not aware that BL and yuri in most cases have a heterosexual or so-called Top/Bottom dynamic (to such an extent that this has been a discussion in Japanese BL circles for a long time and one BL SoL mangaka even publicly apologized to a gay male acquaintance due to the fact that in her popular food porno manga, the protagonists have a heterosexual dynamic) precisely to fetishize and make it easier to appeal to a straight audience (or that the protagonist does not need to be a frank self-insert in order for the reader or the viewer put himself in their place and looked at the world through their eyes), but I'm not here to give another lecture on fiction to people who are captivated by their stereotypes or ignorance about the media. Just please don't try to sound objective when you're talking about taste preferences. You just love the "rebellious love" trope, but that has nothing to do with quality.Maou_heika said: What a hypocrite! BL has so many tropes and I suppose you think that a relationship built on sexual assault and rape is very comfortable and deep for you. RobertBobert said: Lol. first, they have self-insert. Look at the protagonists in shoujo yuri and BL. Second, these shows often don't have self-inserts because they sell BOTH sides as waifu or hasubendo. In straight romance you usually have a protagonist and wish fulfillment with a love interest, but here both sides of pairing are wish fulfillment. The idea that gay romance is deeper and more developed than straight is simply not understanding the tropes and intentions of the writers. Not to mention, queer romance often forgives characters for things that would be very toxic in straight due to the lack of gender dynamics. And many of the fans forgive them for this, also following the logic that an abusive or toxic relationship becomes harmless if it's not between a man and a woman. I know BL has a dark past and I stay away from such works. There is a lot of trash in this genre. But I would personally consider Rape/Assault BLs as part of Erotica/Hentai and not "Normal romance". And those are equally awful for BL, Yuri and Straight. That said, I still believe the general idea of falling in love "the wrong way" and overcoming social norms gives a gay romance story a general advantage for deep content. This does not mean all of them make use of this and it does not say there aren't any deep straight romance stories. I'd even say Shikimori and Nagatoro have better couple dynamics than any romance Yuri main couple I know. And BL/Yuri certainly has it's bad tropes too. I've even seen some Shojo BL feature Insert Protagonists (essentially a girl with a dick). Don't know if any of the Yuris I've seen or read were Shonen, but I don't think any of them had insert protagonists. There surely are some of those though. The Top/Bottom dynamic is another problem many gay works (even non Erotica/Hentai) have, but that is just forcing straight gender dynamics (once again - not every work has this!) onto gay stories. Regarding gender dynamics: That is actually an awful trope to me. Top/Bottom trope is bad. Cutting a line in how a boy behaves in romance and how a girl behaves in romance is the same, but worse. And toxic relationships are not related to the sexuality for me. Citrus has a pretty toxic romance, but I'd like it even if Mei or Matsuri were boys, because it is an interesting story and does well solving these issues. I might actually prefer it that way. Finally, for Wish Fulfillemnt X Wish Fulfillemnt couples, I don't see this as a problem. If you take the Insert Protagonist out of the equation. Many of Wish Fulfillment characters are actually written well. Of course, characters with no personality and just sexual appeal are always bad. But that's not even a genre or an Animanga problem. That is a thing in every form of storytelling. |
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| @Bisalissy You said it yourself that BL/GL has less uncomfortable tropes even though rape/sexual assault is is very prominent in BL anime. Love Stage and Given (movie) don't have Erotica tag but still build a relationship on sexual assault and are well praised by the community. I don't see any erotica tag on Junjou Romantica or Sekaiichi Hatsukoi or Honoo no Mirage either all of which include molestation and sexual assault. I believe that there's no wrong way of falling in love unless your partner is somehow harming you. I have also noticed that with BL usually majority of the characters are gay and they live in a very accepting society so most of the time they aren't going against any social norms within the setting itself. Can you share examples of BL that you are talking about? |
Maou_heika said: Most yuri I read doesn't simply make the world very accepting, but denies the existence of men. @Bisalissy You said it yourself that BL/GL has less uncomfortable tropes even though rape/sexual assault is is very prominent in BL anime. Love Stage and Given (movie) don't have Erotica tag but still build a relationship on sexual assault and are well praised by the community. I don't see any erotica tag on Junjou Romantica or Sekaiichi Hatsukoi or Honoo no Mirage either all of which include molestation and sexual assault. I believe that there's no wrong way of falling in love unless your partner is somehow harming you. I have also noticed that with BL usually majority of the characters are gay and they live in a very accepting society so most of the time they aren't going against any social norms within the setting itself. Can you share examples of BL that you are talking about? |
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| I like and read both and never had that much issue with those fandoms... Usually the ones that have some sort negative attitude towards my interests are other animanga fans. |
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| I love yuri and actively seek it out as opposed to yaoi I tend to stumble upon but am always happy to have done so! so while I’d classify myself as a yuri fan I am happy to consume any queer content, and coexistence between the fandoms seems natural the only exception I can think of is weird cis straight men who somehow think girls love is acceptable and boys love isn’t…but idk I don’t care to interact with those lot |
RobertBobert said: You are simply confusing your tastes with actual quality. Just because you prefer gay romance more than straight because of the dynamics you like between characters doesn't make gay romance better OR worse than straight. It seems that you are also not aware that BL and yuri in most cases have a heterosexual or so-called Top/Bottom dynamic (to such an extent that this has been a discussion in Japanese BL circles for a long time and one BL SoL mangaka even publicly apologized to a gay male acquaintance due to the fact that in her popular food porno manga, the protagonists have a heterosexual dynamic) precisely to fetishize and make it easier to appeal to a straight audience (or that the protagonist does not need to be a frank self-insert in order for the reader or the viewer put himself in their place and looked at the world through their eyes), but I'm not here to give another lecture on fiction to people who are captivated by their stereotypes or ignorance about the media. Just please don't try to sound objective when you're talking about taste preferences. You just love the "rebellious love" trope, but that has nothing to do with quality. I'm sorry if I didn't clearly mark that everything I write is just my opinion, based off past experience. Btw: I love how you explain Top/Bottom trope to me, quoting a post where I did the same and condemned gay romance Animanga for using it. |
Nutella71 said: How would you classify a story that delves into rape, but in a psychological kind of way (how consequences of assault affect a person etc)? Or works that deliberately have a sick and twisted relationship based on rape and work on just how fucked up it can get (most often in a mystery/thriller genre)? Admittedly, a lot of bl use rape as a quick and easy way to put together two characters, but works that fully know how to utilize rape as a naration tool aren't that scarce anymore either. I wouldn't put them in the romance genre at all. I don't have any experience with such works, but the examples you described sound more like Psychological/Drama to me. Sounds very interesting though! Do you have any recommendations for such stories? |
Maou_heika said: @Bisalissy You said it yourself that BL/GL has less uncomfortable tropes even though rape/sexual assault is is very prominent in BL anime. Love Stage and Given (movie) don't have Erotica tag but still build a relationship on sexual assault and are well praised by the community. I don't see any erotica tag on Junjou Romantica or Sekaiichi Hatsukoi or Honoo no Mirage either all of which include molestation and sexual assault. I believe that there's no wrong way of falling in love unless your partner is somehow harming you. I have also noticed that with BL usually majority of the characters are gay and they live in a very accepting society so most of the time they aren't going against any social norms within the setting itself. Can you share examples of BL that you are talking about? Love Stage, Junjou Romantica and Sekaiichi Hatsukoi are all shows I haven't seen. And from what I've seen/read about them, I'd say they are part of the "old" BLs which made use of the many awful tropes this genre used to have. After all, the youngest of them started in 2010. And if they present Sexual Assault as something normal, they should, in my opinion, have an explict tag like Erotica. Given's movie is something I really liked for how it adressed the issue of rape. And unlike other rape BLs, it carefully built up a situation for the incident and the rape itself actually destroyed the relationship between the characters for many months. And of course there is no wrong way to fall in love! I meant that, in many gay romance stories, either the protagonist or some side character believe they are "wrong" for loving a person of the same gender. To me, this adds an extra layer of "accepting their love" and "overcoming their fears" before the romance develops, which I like a lot. As for the "normalization" of the main couple's sexuality (where everyone is gay and no one is homophobic), I see it a lot and I'm not a fan. Although it's not that much of a problem for me, I believe it's a waste of potential. I'm not sure what examples you ask for, but I believe it's for the second paragraph? I see that as part of most works in a sublte way, such as the protagonist only thinking it's wrong to be gay or acting that way. But I do have some examples where it's very prominent: Kieta Hatsukoi Umibe no Étranger Ao no Flag Restart wa Tadaima no Ato de |
| @Bisalissy The problem is that this "opinion" sounds pretty rude and over the top. Imagine if I told you that I think straight romance is usually better written than gay because it's where characters have kids, and I love it when characters have kids in romance. Satisfying your tastes does not make things qualitatively better. |
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| As always RobertBobert on the case Both yuri and yaoi are great that's all I know |
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| Here's the thing. Both of them come from wildly different ends of the spectrum and I hate both. You got yaoi being ridiculously sexual for a majority of it's catalouge (this isn't a hate on sex it's just boring); modern BL has leveled this kind of. But if there's even one good release a year, it's like the stars are aligning. Yuri I wish to god was good and I love cute girls as much as the next but also fucking boring. Citrus does nothing for me but I don't blame people for being engaged with it because at least it has a pulse of excitement in it. Yuri has somehow gotten at least more releases but also still a snooze fest. And in terms of the fanbases. I know people clown on "fujos" but at least there is a full spectrum of fan content out there. But with yuri, IT BE DRY AS FUCK. Girls can't be problematic, they can't be flawed, or interesting. The fanbase doesn't like the girls to be even a little bit sexual before they cry at how it's ruining the essence but then get upset when there's not G/G couples on the yearly AO3 charts. Why would anyone want to indulge and write characters who have no flavor with a fanbase that's stale. Not me. |
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| I’m a big fan of bl/yaoi even though when I first start watching anime I was 100% sure I wouldn’t like that genre. Watched a bl and now I’m hooked. Phew wee. Love my hot guys falling in love and touching each other. 😍 Haven’t seen a gl/yuri yet and although I’m at that stage where I’m assuming I won’t care for it, I may like it anyway but I can’t imagine enjoying it more than my boys. But I think a person can like both and/or get along with the opposite fandom. |
𝙸 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚙𝚊𝚒𝚗 • u̲m̲a̲i̲ • ﾚαmßεη† ﾚïgh† • ɪ'ᴍ ᴀʟʟ ꜰɪʀᴇᴅ ᴜᴘ • ＡＲＩＳＥ 𝔥𝔢𝔞𝔩 • 𝒯𝒾𝓂𝑒 𝒜𝑔𝑒𝓃𝓉 • 𝟙𝟘𝟘𝟘-𝟟 • 𝐃𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐦𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐥 • ᖇIᑕEᗷᗩᒪᒪ |
RobertBobert said: EXACTLY!!!!Advide said: On the contrary, these people are maximally heterosexual, because yuri attracts them purely from the straight side (hot characters of the opposite sex with each other), while not only BL, but even the very existence of male characters annoys them. It seems like yuri shipping has become so ingrained in LGBTQ culture that people don't understand why this kind of thing attracts overly horny straight guys.Probably would if not for the straight male fetishist part of the yuri fandom whose participants are deeply insecure about their own sexuality and can't help but often express how much yaoi disgusts them. We are the ones who are churning the yuri ships rudders. Actual lesbians are a minor fractional % of yuri shipping. |
KuroudoAkabane said: Polls conducted a couple of years ago among yuri manga readers showed that the main readership of targeted yuri manga magazines was straight males and females in almost equal measure. There are many different reasons for this, but even in Japan, yuri reads more straight women than queer women.RobertBobert said: EXACTLY!!!!On the contrary, these people are maximally heterosexual, because yuri attracts them purely from the straight side (hot characters of the opposite sex with each other), while not only BL, but even the very existence of male characters annoys them. It seems like yuri shipping has become so ingrained in LGBTQ culture that people don't understand why this kind of thing attracts overly horny straight guys. We are the ones who are churning the yuri ships rudders. Actual lesbians are a minor fractional % of yuri shipping. |
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