What would you like to see more of?
| I've been watching so many 80s OVAs lately which I didn't see before since I either wasn't born yet or too young for this very reason. Ultra violent, explicit nudity and the art is more realistic. I love it. |
| I don't miss them because I mostly watch this type of anime. And there are too many of them unwatched to ever start worrying about that. |
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dertasso said: Yawn. Redo of a Healer is too vanilla. Nothing interesting. and yet you still haven't watched Redo of a Healer. |
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| While I agree with you in principle, you gotta remember the ratio of shitty to good shows in the late 90s to early 2000's is about the same as it is today. You also need to remember that when you're watching shows from that time, you're watching the BD/DVD version and not the censored simulcast. |
| The biggest thing I wish we got more of was blood. Dragon Ball Super for example is super cleaned up with barely any blood compared to the original run of Dragon Ball all the way up to GT and it really feels like something is missing as the blood helped show the intensity of the battles. Dragon Ball Kai while it did have less blood than the original Z, it still did have a decent amount so it is like idk what happened with Super lol |
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Donkunsan said: billybub said: I was mostly thinking about the vhs copies as they didn't have the censored alternatives. While I agree with you in principle, you gotta remember the ratio of shitty to good shows in the late 90s to early 2000's is about the same as it is today. You also need to remember that when you're watching shows from that time, you're watching the BD/DVD version and not the censored simulcast. Most of the stuff you'd find on VHS where all ova's and 99% of that was hentai. There's plenty of shows these days with everything your asking for, you just need to sort through the garbage, just like I had to back then |
| I get why they don't do that much experimental stuff anymore because they need to earn money and a copy pasted isekai is basically free cash but I wished there were more of them once in a while. Also obviously nudity, why is everything suddenly getting censored, I just want to see some anime tiddies once in a while is that too much to ask for? Maybe it's the woke sjw from crinchyroll behind all of this? |
| Definitely more out-there and experimental plots as well as art styles. I think it's definitely gone down in proportion to the whole and those downplaying this are papering over the issue a bit. There's an absurd amount of too many milquetoast samey JRPG-inspired isekai, romcoms, etc. Series like that (i.e. mediocre, not adventurous, designed for optimum mass appeal) were always in the majority both in anime and in every other medium, but I don't believe it was to the same extreme degree. I wasn't watching anime back then (2000s, 90s, or earlier) since I didn't start until 2016, but saw plenty of anime from earlier years at this point and there's a reason why I think the 2000s decade is the best one for anime and by far prefer it to most of the recent stuff from the past five or so years. Admittedly though I need to eventually watch a lot more series from the 80s, 70s, and even earlier, and even the 90s itself. I have to ask though - I asked this on another thread topic and never received an answer: I know Japanese censorship laws governing television and such, which would affect anime TV series when aired on TV, have changed somewhat throughout the years. But one thing I'm not sure of is, since even those now older series which have depictions of violence I didn't watch on TV (let alone Japanese TV), but online on the high seas, were they really uncensored when they first aired on Japanese TV? No pixelation or black shadow effect? Or is it just that the version I'm watching online, now years after they were released, is the DVD or Blu-Ray version uploaded? This is what I cannot tell and am unsure about. Because by contrast when watching a currently airing or newly aired seasonal, I've seen them not only censored with pixelation or other effects in the equivalent scenes, but even over far more petty and lighter stuff like just something "gross" like a butchered chicken without a head or squished cockroach or other bugs, which seems ludicrous to me and shocking the degree to how extreme the Japanese TV censorship has gotten. Or is it that these censored scenes will be altered on the DVD and/or Blu-Ray release and they're just too new for that version to exist yet for uploads online? Obviously I'm not talking about OVAs/OADs or even ONAs, which aren't compelled to conform to TV broadcast regulations. But were TV-aired series like Higurashi, Elfen Lied, Kenpuu Denki Berserk, Gungrave, Hellsing, Highschool of the Dead, etc. really not censored in any capacity or does it only falsely appear that way retroactively to those watching the DVD versions online nowadays? But yes, that question aside, I want more: - Thrillers of all kinds which go into some of the territory you're referring to in terms of the fact that they would be considered "dark", sometimes with a psychological element, and often violent because they involve some existential war-level conflict. Crime thrillers, political thrillers, historical thrillers, etc. - Horror and Sci-Fi unafraid to go the transhumanist or limits of the universe-defying, existence-questioning cosmic Lovecraftian route. Limits of physics-stretching, limits of human and non-human animal biology with genetics and mutation, body horror, medical horror, etc. - Philosophical and literary anime in general of all genres, including drama, romance, horror, Sci-Fi, thrillers, historical, and adventure I don't care about inclusion of either violence and gore/carnage or nudity and sex for its own sake, but if it is included as a natural part of the series and story, then I don't want to see it censored, which is always unwelcome, obnoxious, intrusive, and lame. |
WatchTillTandavaApr 11, 2023 6:50 AM
dertasso said: Everyone was talking how cruel and shocking that show was. And I got disappointed since that was a lie. I guess today's anime fans have all become sissified namby-pambies if such mediocrity managed to make such a fuss.Nemo_Niemand said: I agree kiiiinda. In the end its just foreplay, but it's a start nonetheless.Yawn. Redo of a Healer is too vanilla. Nothing interesting. After all that suffering the guy experienced, he just slightly harasses a girl for a short period of time and then restores her and erases her memory?Revenge my ass. Stupid and not impressing at all. |
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| I don't miss them cause I still see them here. Gore: Bleach TYBW, CSM, Hell's Paradise, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, AOT Final, Vinland Saga, Goblin Slayer and so on. Nudity: Just any/majority Ecchi every seasons Dark: Heavenly Delusions, Shiki, Id Invaded, Psycho Pass, Steins Gate, Re Zero, Another, Dorohedoro, Mieruko-chan surprisingly, Home Hero, Experimental: Redo of Healer x), Birdie Wing, Inukai, Binbougami Ga [gave it here as this anime is just reference to other stuff] - actually hard to tell which to give as being experimental as alot of stuff were already done x) |
Zettaiken said: Another and Psycho Pass came out 11 years ago. Steins;Gate came out 12 years ago. Shiki came out 13 years ago. I'm not really in the camp of people who considers anything older than five or 10 years "old", but it still doesn't make much sense to cite them as a countervailing example of current trends. I don't miss them cause I still see them here. Gore: Bleach TYBW, CSM, Hell's Paradise, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, AOT Final, Vinland Saga, Goblin Slayer and so on. Nudity: Just any/majority Ecchi every seasons Dark: Heavenly Delusions, Shiki, Id Invaded, Psycho Pass, Steins Gate, Re Zero, Another, Dorohedoro, Mieruko-chan surprisingly, Home Hero, Experimental: Redo of Healer x), Birdie Wing, Inukai, Binbougami Ga [gave it here as this anime is just reference to other stuff] - actually hard to tell which to give as being experimental as alot of stuff were already done x) |
| I guess the industry nowadays is appealing to a wider range of audiences (normies) for the sake of profit. Its disappointing because now that more people know about anime, it feels less special yknow what I mean? Like anime & manga back in the day was our own little special thing, all the fucked up, immoral, and dark shows were the craze and studios, manga authors just dont give a fuck, “you dont want this? then go” similar to how the 1st chapter of Berserk weeded out audience that don’t enjoy the themes it offers, I want more of that. People now are too easily offended and the industry has to adjust to their liking, so what do we get? Mediocre bullshit. |
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WatchTillTandava said: Another and Psycho Pass came out 11 years ago. Steins;Gate came out 12 years ago. Shiki came out 13 years ago. I'm not really in the camp of people who considers anything older than five or 10 years "old", but it still doesn't make much sense to cite them as a countervailing example of current trends. Yes but OP suggested for anime of 2000s or earlier, which is why I choosed everything form 2010-now. Which is why they are here at the list cause they are not from the decade OP wanted them to be. |
Nya_chan5623 said: I guess the industry nowadays is appealing to a wider range of audiences (normies) for the sake of profit. Its disappointing because now that more people know about anime, it feels less special yknow what I mean? Like anime & manga back in the day was our own little special thing, all the fucked up, immoral, and dark shows were the craze and studios, manga authors just dont give a fuck, “you dont want this? then go” similar to how the 1st chapter of Berserk weeded out audience that don’t enjoy the themes it offers, I want more of that. People now are too easily offended and the industry has to adjust to their liking, so what do we get? Mediocre bullshit. Lol either you weren't around back in the 90s early 2000's or you're just remembering things through rose colored glasses. Go back and look at any season from 97-2010 and I promise you for every 1 good show there's 5-10 you've never heard of or what you'd consider "normie trash" |
| I enjoy the more experimental and fucked up anime a lot. I don't miss them since I never grew up in those times, but I would love to see those kinds of shows returning. Unfortunately, they don't print money like the escapist isekai and romcoms. I'm cool with the "safe" anime existing since I normally find them enjoyable, but when that's all that's being made things get pretty boring. |
dertasso said: Nemo_Niemand said: Was there ever an actually good hentai revenge anime. I mean If there is, i'll watch it. I've yet to find one. Most revenge stories like Berserk take themselves just way too seriously.Everyone was talking how cruel and shocking that show was. And I got disappointed since that was a lie. I guess today's anime fans have all become sissified namby-pambies if such mediocrity managed to make such a fuss. After all that suffering the guy experienced, he just slightly harasses a girl for a short period of time and then restores her and erases her memory?Revenge my ass. Stupid and not impressing at all. I liked Gakuen de Jikan yo Tomare, but I don't know if it is revenge enough since his revenge is kinda indirect. Onahole Kyoshitsu is another revenge hentai, iw ould argue not as good as Gakuen de Jikan yo Tomare but this one is more direct even if most of the time is the MC using an onahole that is connected to the girls he wanted to take revenge of. |
| No I don't miss false nostalgia. I do wish they'd have made more anime with Lain style. |
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| i disagree about the nudity part while yes there are less overall shows with nudity the degree to what the shows are allowed to air with have gotten less restrictive. which is why we get so much sex being shown in airing shows, |
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| More things like Gunbuster and Tenshi no Tamago, yes. |
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| I blame the Woke SJWs for this. That's why we need to boycott all soyny anime, starting with Kaguya-sama. |
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| It's worth noting that the latenight TV anime format from the late 90s onward is the evolved/transformed form of the 80s-90s OVA format. So the "meant for hardcore anime fans instead of general/mainstream audiences" titles have had to conform to TV broadcast standards, which have become more restrictive over the years. After all, we went from teenagers drinking and smoking on Kimagure Orange Road in the late 80s, to the last few decades when every highschooler says "no thanks I'm underage" when offered alcohol. Also, a lot of the censorship in broadcast/streamed versions of anime isn't necessarily because of morals or even content restrictions -- they're meant to incentivize fans to buy the home video releases if they want the good stuff. As for what external forces might be motivating greater censorship, I'd bet more money on moralist, conservative regimes like China being the culprits. WatchTillTandava said: I have to ask though - I asked this on another thread topic and never received an answer: I know Japanese censorship laws governing television and such, which would affect anime TV series when aired on TV, have changed somewhat throughout the years. But one thing I'm not sure of is, since even those now older series which have depictions of violence I didn't watch on TV (let alone Japanese TV), but online on the high seas, were they really uncensored when they first aired on Japanese TV? No pixelation or black shadow effect? Or is it just that the version I'm watching online, now years after they were released, is the DVD or Blu-Ray version uploaded? This is what I cannot tell and am unsure about. Because by contrast when watching a currently airing or newly aired seasonal, I've seen them not only censored with pixelation or other effects in the equivalent scenes, but even over far more petty and lighter stuff like just something "gross" like a butchered chicken without a head or squished cockroach or other bugs, which seems ludicrous to me and shocking the degree to how extreme the Japanese TV censorship has gotten. Or is it that these censored scenes will be altered on the DVD and/or Blu-Ray release and they're just too new for that version to exist yet for uploads online? Obviously I'm not talking about OVAs/OADs or even ONAs, which aren't compelled to conform to TV broadcast regulations. But were TV-aired series like Higurashi, Elfen Lied, Kenpuu Denki Berserk, Gungrave, Hellsing, Highschool of the Dead, etc. really not censored in any capacity or does it only falsely appear that way retroactively to those watching the DVD versions online nowadays? Yes, many anime of the past had censored TV versions before getting uncensored releases on VHS, LaserDisc, or DVD. You're right that much of the time, we only see the home-video version for older anime, whether we're buying the DVDs or watching pirated versions. Prior to 2000, fansubs were distributed on VHS, and even those sometimes were ripped from the JP VHS/LD version, instead of the broadcasts. Either way, VHS fansubs haven't survived in widespread circulation for any series that got official US/R1 DVD releases. And even many of the TV-fansubs from the early 2000s got supplanted in the torrent scene (and by extension, the bootleg streaming scene) by DVD-rips with the official subtitles. Whatever subtitle/translation advantages those fansubs had didn't outweigh their extremely poor video quality, in the eyes of most downloaders. The oldest examples I know of date back to 1997, when a couple of series had their TV/censored version released on DVD here. Sakura Diaries, although it's an OVA, got a censored TV airing in Japan, and that's the version ADV received for their initial release. That TV version was different enough that ADV couldn't use that first dub when they later acquired and released the uncensored version. With Maze: The Megaburst Space, the uncensored/home-video masters were apparently lost between the Japanese LD and the US DVDs. So Central Park Media's DVDs used the TV version, which had "cloudy water" in a hotsprings scene, where the JP LD had clear water + nudity. Higurashi definitely had some shadows in the TV version, and I believe Elfen Lied and HSotD had some violence and nudity censorship. Would have to dig out the TV version to compare. I don't believe Gungrave had any, though it's been awhile since I've seen it. Some 2000s/early-2010s ecchi anime, like Girls Bravo, Omamori Himari, Haganai, and Shuffle, had the usual censorship. Rosario+Vampire and Kanamemo had bats or other critters censoring pantyshots and other naughty bits on TV. Sankarea had some nudity/gore censorship in its TV version which was mistakenly released and recalled by Funimation, who later re-released the uncensored version. Lime-Colored War Tales had its DVD release not only decensor some of the visuals, but also add in more ecchi scenes. (You're all welcome for translating them, I guess.) TL;DR: Censorship on Japanese TV broadcasts, with home video releases being uncensored, is not a new phenomenon at all -- it dates back at least a quarter-century. |
| People blaming "SJWs" and "censorship laws" for the fact that the audience base for this content is small as hell and aren't willing to support it to make it a profitable project. |
| It still exists. It's just a bit less frequent. Not really an Anime problem, tho....more like an overall sensitivity. If anything Anime is, or can be, still pretty controversial, I feel. Especially when compared with western media. |
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| Experimental and dark psychological. After finishing Utena I found myself needing some more. |
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| And as said previously, there are underground titles that resemble the classic age. You just have to search some more, op. |
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| Primarily more experimental stuff, I always enjoy really creative concepts the most. But frankly all of these (except for gore, we still got that at least) would be nice to see a more pronounced return of. 80's/90's OVA's may not always have great stories but they sure had a ton of creativity no matter how wack. Nowadays it only extends to what new gimmick can be attached to an isekai to make it 'new'. |
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Donkunsan said: And how many of those 90s anime were based on WSJ manga? Why are you even comparing a TV anime to OVAs?Gore? in bleach. You serious? We only got blood and some bones sticking out, nothing like compared to 90s ovas. If it was like 90s ovas then from the attack the enemies would have bleed out, guts would have popped out, you could hear bone cracking as they fall to the ground and end up looking like a pile of flesh like when you defeat an enemy in original doom game. |
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| Who misses the times when anime was way less censored and way more experimental? The Answer is Everyone |
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| Actually there is plenty of brutality and nudity nowadays. In fact more than ever before. Experimental nonsense is totally over the top. That is nowadays it is nonsense, but back in the days it was something that had a point to make. Dark psychological has the biggest problems as that simply does not go deep enough into psycho to be considered psychological. They substitute depth and meaning with more brutality and shock value. However that illustrates the broader point that actually affects all of these categories. Back in the days they had some idea of they wanted to show or depict. They had gore nudity and psychological aspects but they used them as part of greater whole to better explain the kind of characters and plot they want to make. Nowadays creators do not really understand more complex ideas of the older shows but want to make theirs even more over the top (muchier) that what was before. This and lack of understanding just makes shows with brutality, gore, nudity and insanity for the sake of brutality, gore, nudity and insanity. Also while creators had complex ideas most viewers could not care less so studious could simply get rid of complicated part and make it a cheap show machine. |
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Donkunsan said: Gore? in bleach. You serious? We only got blood and some bones sticking out, nothing like compared to 90s ovas. If it was like 90s ovas then from the attack the enemies would have bleed out, guts would have popped out, you could hear bone cracking as they fall to the ground and end up looking like a pile of flesh like when you defeat an enemy in original doom game. Than simply rewatch the 90s ovas, I guess it is more interesting than complaining on mal x) And yes I am serious. Deep cuts on a part of bodies which doesn't have guts, surprise surprise arms and legs have flesh, veins, bones and muscles not guts x) - And wounds like that are more common than the ones where guts are out Not to mention that TV is not an OVA so there is no comparisson there at the beginning as someone already told you |
| It's funny how nowadays Youtubers comment on how suddenly in recent years the line between ecchi and hentai seems to have been blurred. It's funny because looking back I remember a whole lot more full frontal nudity and sometimes even sex scenes in 12/16+ anime when I was younger. Looks like only public perception has changed. |
| I honestly would say all 4 expect maybe gore... too much gore can make it loose it's affect. so I like it when the super gory shows exist but come out sparingly. also, watch made in abyss, it has everything you want. |
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| There's literally 5 shows airing this season alone that fit every category OP is asking for. And one that has all |
billybubApr 12, 2023 8:58 AM
| Less highschool romance anime and more of all the poll style of shows. |
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| I want more rotoscoped anime like Aku No Hana. We need to take a break from the conventional form of animation and cute anime girls with big eyes and exaggerated expressions. |
LincompoopMay 28, 2023 7:19 AM
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| I want to see a genki girl start out really stereotypical, so just way too happy. And over the course of the anime I want her mental state to deteriorate to the point that she commits suicide. I think I want themes of suicide to be explored more and not mostly just characters that aren't even given enough time for you to care about them. I like seeing genki girls get depressed. |
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