| I already know the video is trash if Marin is somehow an example of sexualization ruining a character. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Can't wait for people to fall for this bait despite knowing it and discussion going completely off topic around the 2nd page. |
| But I thought the cabal of China / Sony / Crunchyroll / Funimation / Jamie Marchi / Monica Rial / the other "woke" boogeymen were systematically eradicating pantyshots and other treats for the male gaze from anime? |
| Attractive drawn ladies improve my watching experience. Sorry person in the video, nothing is ruined for me. |
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| da heck is a male gaze lol. like eminem once said, he's not going to compromise his style just to appeal to wider audience. but if japan wants to safe space the anime then i'd just move on. |
| I already know it's a trash video probably made by someone who's young and has been watching anime for a short time. Who doesn't even realize that fan service is not a new thing. Sexualization happens when the viewer realizes the sexual appeal of certain characters, so it would be the viewer at fault. Also, it's like these people want every character especially females to be ugly. Being visually appealing isn't a bad thing. People enjoy watching good-looking characters. |
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Etherius_ZS said: Can't wait for people to fall for this bait despite knowing it and discussion going completely off topic around the 2nd page. even if we assume the thread is bait, the video certainly isn't, and I can say with confidence it is garbage |
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| Reel reel reel.... reel reel reel... It looks like the fish got away... |
| I'm sorry but I am not really interested in sitting through a 13 minute video with six (6) adds just to hear something I know I'm gonna disagree with. Japan doesn't even give a f*ck about these kinds of takes and frankly neither should we. |
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| This is exactly why feminists should be gatekeeped from anime hard. For decades anime was going strong with fanservice and as soon as anime went full mainstream and bad actors got interested, we hear bullshit like "The Male Gaze is Ruining Anime". Seems like it is a YOU problem. |
PiromyslOct 27, 2022 2:09 PM
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Piromysl said: I'm completely fine with gatekeeping feminists from all media, not just anime. lolThis is exactly why anime should be gatekeeped hard, bois. Once Twitterians will find an opportunity to spread their misery, they'll ruin it. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Cool take. Just don't agree with it, because I don't think anime has been ruined yet. |
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| You know, I'm sure it's a video with actual good points hidden behind an outrageous title. Sadly I don't feel like giving this weak attempt at getting my attention a single view |
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LostSpectre said: She's a fairly well-written character..... Aside from the blatant fan service that permeates the entire show. Yh I had to do itI already know the video is trash if Marin is somehow an example of sexualization ruining a character. |
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| Did this person just start watching Anime when it became mainstream or something? |
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| tl:dr bitch is mad she ain't pretty or some shit |
| Oh no, the male targeted genres, themes, and tropes of these fictional 2D animated drawings are popular among males. What a nightmare! The female gaze? Don't know, don't care, go make your own stories. Anyways, Marin's got some nice tits. |
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samsince04 said: It's literally an ecchi manga, so I can't take this idiotic complaint seriously. LostSpectre said: She's a fairly well-written character..... Aside from the blatant fan service that permeates the entire show. Yh I had to do itI already know the video is trash if Marin is somehow an example of sexualization ruining a character. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Eh, that video's kind of full of mistakes and wrong definitions for words. She attributes her own feeling on matters to blanket statements about women in general. She pretty much redefines the male gaze and the female gaze for her argument. Her new definitions are pointlessly gendered names for ideas that already existed. It turns out most people like it when the characters in the anime they watch and the manga they read are actually interesting characters. That's not the female gaze, that's just good writing. She says fanservice is fine but the camera angles and portrayal are the problem, even though fanservice IS the portrayal. That's why you can have scenes where characters are completely naked without any fanservice, but also have scenes with heavy fanservice where the characters wear normal clothes (toobrush anyone?). I don't personally like fanservice, I tend to tune it out when it's not so overblown that it starts getting in the way, except in very specific cases, but the way she talked about it seems unhelpful, probably because I wouldn't say it is "ruining" anime. |
FrosteekOct 27, 2022 2:36 PM
| Oh man, get ready for the angry comments to come out, but yeah, I agree. It does ruin some anime for me and puts me off from watching certain animes. EDIT: Given that this website is the way it is, you're better off having a more productive conversation about this somewhere else. |
bucciestOct 27, 2022 3:07 PM
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MegaStride said: Looks like someone got offended. Apparently even a monkey doesn't understand that the mere existence of a woman within a male targeted demographic doesn't negate a single point, especially when upwards of 70% of shonen readers are male. Women aren't a monolith.Shounen focuses on action mostly. Women like action too. As such, women exist and don’t like seeing low-quality garbage fanservice, weakly written women, and there to just be tits. It doesn’t take a monkey to figure that out. PS: I hope she sees this, bro. And i still see you're cowering behind a blank list. |
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MegaStride said: _FRB_ said: even if we assume the thread is bait, the video certainly isn't, and I can say with confidence it is garbage You watched the video? I doubt it, like almost every man in this thread. well full disclosure, I watched about half of it, but that's all you really need the thesis from the get go is bad, and it isn't going to change halfway through |
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LostSpectre said: There is such a thing as too much ecchi and it's weird that everyone just treats it as "water under the bridge" when middle schoolers and high schoolers are being sexualized in such an uncomfortable and creepy fashion. Well, if it's an ecchi anime it's fine apparently. The fan service is so weird because the story hardly needs any of it...samsince04 said: It's literally an ecchi manga, so I can't take this idiotic complaint seriously. She's a fairly well-written character..... Aside from the blatant fan service that permeates the entire show. Yh I had to do it It's disappointing when a decent anime or manga employs butts and boobs without provocation because it gives me the impression that the author doesn't have enough faith in the strength of the story. Since it implies that viewers will watch anything if you jam enough fan service in, it can occasionally come off as insulting. Marin is a decent character despite that tho. |
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samsince04 said: None of this is untrue generally, but i think it's important to note that in context of the anime in question it's a bit strange for this specific critique when said anime and source material are both very popular and highly rated. Even just for Marin, the anime is less than a year old and she's #75 on favorites. But still, accurate critique in general, i'm just not sure it applies to this anime.There is such a thing as too much ecchi and it's weird that everyone just treats it as "water under the bridge" when middle schoolers and high schoolers are being sexualized in such an uncomfortable and creepy fashion. Well, if it's an ecchi anime it's fine apparently. The fan service is so weird because the story hardly needs any of it.. |
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samsince04 said: This doesn't even come close to being too much ecchi for an ecchi series, you can argue there's too much fanservice in a non-ecchi series, but it's a dumb complaint here. As for the cartoons not being old enough, you're going to have to miss me with all that nonsense, it's completely meaningless. Whether the story "needs" fanservice is completely irrelevant, it's a core aspect of the series, if you want a different show, then just watch a different show. Your complaints just make no sense being targeted at an ecchi series, acting like it's being padded out with fanservice is completely disingenuous. LostSpectre said: There is such a thing as too much ecchi and it's weird that everyone just treats it as "water under the bridge" when middle schoolers and high schoolers are being sexualized in such an uncomfortable and creepy fashion. Well, if it's an ecchi anime it's fine apparently. The fan service is so weird because the story hardly needs any of it...It's literally an ecchi manga, so I can't take this idiotic complaint seriously. It's disappointing when a decent anime or manga employs butts and boobs without provocation because it gives me the impression that the author doesn't have enough faith in the strength of the story. Since it implies that viewers will watch anything if you jam enough fan service in, it can occasionally come off as insulting. Marin is a decent character despite that tho. |
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Manaban said: Yes, bags of fun. Specifically in pairs of two. Has anyone in this thread ever had fun like, once in their lives |
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LostSpectre said: Piromysl said: I'm completely fine with gatekeeping feminists from all media, not just anime. lolThis is exactly why anime should be gatekeeped hard, bois. Once Twitterians will find an opportunity to spread their misery, they'll ruin it. its not about gatekeeping it should get eradicated like how we eradicate dirt MegaStride said: I think there are some good talking points in here. There is lots of oversexualization of female characters in anime at the detriment of their actual characters. I like to think of it as a sign of inability to write. if you were little more <sexy> then maybe you would not end up making fun of yourself by creating this stupid video it applies to the one who is sharing this shix too |
Lunilah said: Manaban said: Yes, bags of fun. Specifically in pairs of two. Has anyone in this thread ever had fun like, once in their lives Definitely could've fooled me samsince04 said: Since it implies that viewers will watch anything if you jam enough fan service in, it can occasionally come off as insulting. Marin is a decent character despite that tho. 'Cept it doesn't imply that, and it certainly doesn't mean that Numbers have never backed ecchi being lucrative - or a safe bet - for money, to start, since these series rarely sell well on any given sales chart you can find. seriously just look up a fucking sales chart and let's figure out where the ecchi series are. nor has the implementation of ecchi lack variety when you compare how two given series actually use fanservice and how series like to love ru and dxd can just stand on totally opposite ends of a spectrum. unfortunately, it is much more involved than just "slap tits in it to appeal to idiots lololol" and this means i often wind up wasting my time speaking to people who are utterly incapable of contributing anything valuable to a conversation outside of probably just regurgitating poorly thought out nonsense they heard on fuckin' youtube or somewhere yet still want to carry themselves like they're saying something thoughtful 2016 talking points should stay in 2016 btw, it's been a good few years since your side had to change their approach from that due to being easily disprovable trite. discussion has evolved and left you behind I guess. why would you roll up to modern warfare in a soviet era tank |
ManabanOct 27, 2022 3:33 PM
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Manaban said: 2016 talking point or not, I think it definitely applies. Cosplay anime includes loads of fan service to attract.... well more fans. Not saying it's not effective but there are lots of anime that have managed to succeed without relying on some would say unnecessary fan service.Lunilah said: Yes, bags of fun. Specifically in pairs of two. Definitely could've fooled me samsince04 said: Since it implies that viewers will watch anything if you jam enough fan service in, it can occasionally come off as insulting. Marin is a decent character despite that tho. 'Cept it doesn't imply that, you just darted straight to that conclusion based off of an old (and debunked!) advertising myth most likely 2016 talking points should stay in 2016 btw, it's been a good few years, discussion has evolved and left you behind I guess |
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MegaStride said: I think there are some good talking points in here. There is lots of oversexualization of female characters in anime at the detriment of their actual characters. I like to think of it as a sign of inability to write. What in the actual fuck did i just watch?? Yes women want to see ripped guys as much as guys want to see bouncing boobies! That doesn't mean the ripped dude or size H chick have to be your favorite character, 'cause wow, you can like the character design of one character but like the personality of another, who knew? And complex emotions are the female gaze?? What fucking bull shit Almost anyone, male or female, wants well written characters with real emotions, and there's nothing wrong with wanting that and also watching stuff just for it being visually appealing even though it might not be as well written Fanservice doesn't ruin characters, bad writing does! If something is written like shit, it's not gonna matter how many bouncing titty shots there are or aren't, it'll still be shit Same as if the writing is good, it's not gonna matter how many bouncing titty shots there are or aren't, it'll still be good |
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samsince04 said: Manaban said: 2016 talking point or not, I think it definitely applies. Cosplay anime includes loads of fan service to attract.... well more fans. Not saying it's not effective but there are lots of anime that have managed to succeed without relying on some would say unnecessary fan service.Definitely could've fooled me 'Cept it doesn't imply that, you just darted straight to that conclusion based off of an old (and debunked!) advertising myth most likely 2016 talking points should stay in 2016 btw, it's been a good few years, discussion has evolved and left you behind I guess here you go, I'll just quote this post. it's one of the few good ones someone this site not named Manaban has ever made but in short? don't blame anime tits because you have a myopic, utilitarian point of view on what people should consider good and bad entertainment you absolute black of hole of human expression go read Wikipedia plot summaries. all the necessary info, none of the bullshit that shape a work's personality or really let people latch onto it. it is the most time and cost-efficient way of consuming media. seems right up your alley tbh it's shit like this man. you got people politicizing it in either direction and you have people saying shit like about whether or not it's necessary to the story or some bullshit. this is why nobody in this thread sounds like they've had fun in their lives. it's fucking tits. sex isn't going anywhere, sex appeal isn't going anywhere, and it's a case where trying to make it "more healthy" is pushing yourself to have a fucking salad and water every time you go out to drink with friends. no looseness, no fun. then there's you, who i just don't think has ever had an ounce of happiness in his life based on what your issue is. i just can't even with this talking point, it's so detached from human understanding yet always so confident that it's saying something of merit. it's surreal tits. have fun with 'em, or go let other people have fun with 'em in peace, if you're the type of person who needs to turn tits into a broader social issue you are probably absolutely miserable to hang out with and that is why you are on anime forums discussing the sociopolitical relevance of sexualization in media instead of out enjoying yourself with real people you are actually friends with christ |
ManabanOct 27, 2022 3:48 PM
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ashleygamer6 said: You dare suggest, nay, blatantly reduce the very real sexism from the male consumption of oversexualized women in anime which contributes to the social, political, and economic oppression they receive? There's no way women could ever reach equal opportunity if this specific issue isn't taken seriously, as it heavily correlates to problematic masculine norms, it contributes to the patriarchy. What would Mary Terrell say? This is what she fought for! Enough of your world salad! /sUsing feminist-sociology term wrong cuz no one actually understands esoteric academic terminology except for other academics. In all honesty though, if i'm being charitable, i would say there is a meaningful worry with some tropes in easily available anime to children that are potentially developmentally harmful. But that's probably more of a parenting issue and concern. |
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Lunilah said: But that's probably more of a parenting issue and concern. i'm 25. i'm going to watch tits. no obnoxious moms will stop me if we're thinking of the children let's just kill everyone under 21 and be done with it. giant inconvenience, the whole lot of 'em |
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Manaban said: 25? A few obnoxious moms sound like fun.Lunilah said: But that's probably more of a parenting issue and concern. i'm 25. i'm going to watch tits. no obnoxious moms will stop me if we're thinking of the children let's just kill everyone under 21 and be done with it. giant inconvenience, the whole lot of 'em |
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Lunilah said: In all honesty though, if i'm being charitable, i would say there is a meaningful worry with some tropes in easily available anime to children that are potentially developmentally harmful. But that's probably more of a parenting issue and concern. .... and what would those tropes be? |
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Manaban said: I am going to ignore all those unnecessary claims because they add nothing to the conversation. True, fan service shapes a work's personality but also clouds the true message of the anime in question. It becomes more apparent in shows that actually have a decent plot going for them. samsince04 said: 2016 talking point or not, I think it definitely applies. Cosplay anime includes loads of fan service to attract.... well more fans. Not saying it's not effective but there are lots of anime that have managed to succeed without relying on some would say unnecessary fan service. here you go, I'll just quote this post. it's one of the few good ones someone this site not named Manaban has ever made but in short? don't blame anime tits because you have a myopic, utilitarian point of view on what people should consider good and bad entertainment you absolute black of hole of human expression go read Wikipedia plot summaries. all the necessary info, none of the bullshit that shape a work's personality or really let people latch onto it. it is the most time and cost-efficient way of consuming media. seems right up your alley tbh |
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DigiCat said: I imagine the Roshis to Minetas and Rudeus' of the anime world are largely not appropriate for young audiences. Which is apparent by even MALs age ratings. I have no issues with the tropes existing, just access to some content. I think it's pretty logically consistent and reasonable to assume that it can be an issue, which parents should be mindful of.Lunilah said: In all honesty though, if i'm being charitable, i would say there is a meaningful worry with some tropes in easily available anime to children that are potentially developmentally harmful. But that's probably more of a parenting issue and concern. .... and what would those tropes be? |
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