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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- The whole thing gives me a headache when I think about it so much.... With the personalities of these two, I don't think it's easy to reconcile. In fact I don't even think they can be friends again, but the reconciliation that Kaguya says for me, is that they don't leave the problem in an empty misunderstanding, but that they talk about it and at least clear everything out. It's true that Miko makes very superficial decisions without even talking about it, but admitting it is the first step to change. AAA, Damn, we'll have to see how Aka handles this xd |
| All bad in "Osaragi arc". I hope this shitty part ends soon |
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| maaaaaan, when will this "Osaragi arc"/ "ishigami x iiino arc" end |
La_nAug 4, 2021 10:49 PM
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| The arc coming to an end, Kaguya also has matured so much and senpai-kouhai relationships are one of the best things in the story! |
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| I really like how well Kaguya understands the situation. Shirogane now has a good understanding of the whole thing too, wonder what he's gonna do. Also I hope Iino can change and makes up with Osaragi too. |
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| Man I really relate to shirogane on a spiritual level now. His reaction is my reaction to this whole arc and most of the BS drama I see in my friend circle. |
| shirogane really one of us. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Kaguya saying "What a childish sense of justice" really sent those chills |
| "When There Is Evil In This World That Justice Cannot Defeat, Would You Taint Your Hands With Evil To Defeat Evil? Or Would You Remain Steadfast And Righteous Even If It Means Surrendering To Evil?" |
| Atleast Miko is acknowledging her problem, Kaguya saying all girls are pain in the ass and Miyuki saying no but thinking YES YES YES 😂😂 |
| "When There Is Evil In This World That Justice Cannot Defeat, Would You Taint Your Hands With Evil To Defeat Evil? Or Would You Remain Steadfast And Righteous Even If It Means Surrendering To Evil?" |
| Iino finally reaching the ultimatum, I'll be okay with whatever decision she's going to make regarding her relationship with Osaragi |
| Relationships really are a pain sometimes. At least Iino will get the chance to grow up a little in this arc. |
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chalito1921 said: I MEAN it might be a bit childish but anyone would react like that to hearing their best friend saying that they arent even friends, the real childish one was Osaragi let's be honest.Kaguya spitting facts (once again lmao). Miko's so childish If you have a problem with ur friend talk to them bout it. Don't go to someome else and start talking bout everything bad bout them, that's shitty and toxic behavior, kaguya's advice felt just stupid, ofc Osaragi had her reasons to do what she did, but everyone thinks that everything they do is justified. She should have just talked to Iino from the start. I'd cut ties with someone who cant even tell me they have a problem with me to my face and goes telling my friends bout my mistakes in the past lmaoo |
| I think that the childish behavior can obviously be blamed on Osaragi and Iino. However, I really liked the discussion between Kaguya and Iino, I found it very interesting on a personal level but I like the way the author avoids to make too much misunderstandings (except for comical purposes and in a non repetitive way) or dramas because the characters don't express their real feelings. In Kaguya-sama, they try to go to the point and to be factual, something that makes me love this manga. |
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| That was a nice talk, I laughed when Kaguya accidently said her name in the story lol. I think Iino and Osaragi will make up |
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| Really great chapter! I love those "It's not that simpleeee" panels of Kaguya lmao. Shirogane is truly a gigachad, relationships are a pain in the ass. We got Bakaguya and Iceguya in a single chapter, blessed. I don't know why people are hating on Kaguya for being harsh on Iino. This is Kaguya we are talking about, whether it's Iino or Osaragi or someone else, she'll be painfully blunt with her opinions. She's not taking any sides, she didn't say anything about Iino forgiving Osaragi, she's just helping her grow and be the better person of the two. And if she wants to be the student council president, she needs to mature and grow as a person more. Break next week, but I really looking forward to the next chapter, maybe we'll see Shirogane talk with Osaragi. |
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| Each chapter is getting more and more intense |
| https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ [WATCH THIS^^^] |
| Interesting... just interesting is all I could say about this chapter |
| Track 8 on The Notorious B.I.G's Ready To Die |
| I am in complete agreement with Shirogane, things were not complicated, they simply did it that way, for me Osaragi has nothing to reproach Miko for, she could help him and she did not. To say that she preferred friendship and to step back to help him is an excuse to hide her weakness and her fear that her fragile paper world would succumb to a gust of wind. Kaguya makes my blood boil, if you try to mediate a conflict you must be neutral, why Miko has to put herself in Osaragi's place and not the other way around?, immaturity? Miko is undoubtedly immature but so is Osaragi and so are you (especially after going out with the president you threw a tantrum due to any conflict and insecurity of yours) so you do not have that authority to tell anyone what to do. You offered to do her campaign in an act of selfishness and caprice so that your beloved president was elected again and, why is her sense of justice wrong or simple? what gives you the right or the power to decide what is the proper way to handle things? Who do you think you are? "All your judgments are based on your point of view" being sincere if I criticize this point I will criticize the whole series, all the misunderstandings, all the drama and the situations that were caused bor y your judgments, or by Shirogane. In reality we all do it and we continue to do so that is why we have freedom of choice. "You need proper language around who is around you "? You have not given Miko a chance to reply or her right to answer your accusations. At this point, I repeat to myself" All your judgments are based on your point of view "is basically what you are doing now. Miko is wrong because that's how you consider it. Miko certainly should have supported Ishigami directly but it is not so easy to do. For example, as to tell a withdrawn and introverted person to go to a party and to talk to everyone, I don't know that person could go to in the first place, the lights, people, the noise It is not something that we can do so easy and as Shirogane says "Omi" did not love him so much if I did not help her then, she is in the same boat as Miko. She only projects the situation of her parents onto Ishigami and anyone she is romantically related to. Kaguya, if someone you considered a friend talked you like that I wonder if you would act mature as you says is the right way to do things. |
| I like to post in manga forum when I feel it is worth it, so people will think. "Shit, is her again" or something. People asked me where I read certain thing but the rules say no telling where did you read so maybe I am too boring for not saying? Or salty because you didn't check my profile that says don't ask because I hate people to ghost me after that. I love learning languages so maybe I did not read the manga in English. |
| Kaguya's honest talk with Iino will hopefully kickstart the resolution to this fuss. Honestly this miniarc has been somewhat excruciating and by now I just hope Ishimiko becomes a thing so shippers can throw a party and we can go back to our regular comedic programming. I want to see Papagane doing another one of his streams or heck even Fujiwara going ramen hunting at this point |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| This chapter was lame af |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Kamirator said: Being a seinen doesn't give you a pass to waste time with uninspired bullshit sophistry. Well,for some people who don't like the ideal or things that they talking about bcz it felt heavy or boring. Don't forget that this manga is a seinen. TuyNOM said: Seems like more of a pretext to keep loving your favorite manga by deluding yourself by cooking up shit out of thin air.I think that the childish behavior can obviously be blamed on Osaragi and Iino. However, I really liked the discussion between Kaguya and Iino, I found it very interesting on a personal level but I like the way the author avoids to make too much misunderstandings (except for comical purposes and in a non repetitive way) or dramas because the characters don't express their real feelings. In Kaguya-sama, they try to go to the point and to be factual, something that makes me love this manga. |
cchiguAug 5, 2021 5:22 PM
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
cchigu said: TuyNOM said: Seems like more of a pretext to keep loving your favorite manga by deluding yourself by cooking up shit out of thin air.I think that the childish behavior can obviously be blamed on Osaragi and Iino. However, I really liked the discussion between Kaguya and Iino, I found it very interesting on a personal level but I like the way the author avoids to make too much misunderstandings (except for comical purposes and in a non repetitive way) or dramas because the characters don't express their real feelings. In Kaguya-sama, they try to go to the point and to be factual, something that makes me love this manga. Or is it just a different opinion? Are you the kind of person who can't imagine that people can have different opinions lol? |
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TuyNOM said: Your comment reminded me of my past self where I myself tried to justify shit up.cchigu said: Seems like more of a pretext to keep loving your favorite manga by deluding yourself by cooking up shit out of thin air. Or is it just a different opinion? Are you the kind of person who can't imagine that people can have different opinions lol? |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Friendships between girls are just a pain in general... Well, that surely sums up the majority of this arc... If it were guys in the place of Iino and Osaragi, attracted to the same girl, one way or another, they will settle it in a rather timely fashion. Kaguya's stoic critical analysis of Iino's immaturity and how it prevented her from becoming the President Iino tried to be is just what Iino needed to open her eyes up, but even the all-impudent, all-impulsive Iino realized that aspect of her own personality, one that severs the bond of friendship and separates her from those she loves and wanted to be loved back. The first step in dealing with all this shit is to swallow her pride, put her ego aside and reconcile with Osaragi. It's a move that is against Iino's own sense of judgement, but what is justice but a system of approval from one's own individual perspective? Speaking of this soft-of-love-triangle... Miyuki himself did point out a good deal of reason as to why Omi AKA Osaragi should not be in the picture at all, for all these years, she has never once approached Ishigami in a romantic light and chose to endlessly pursue and maintain her relationship between her and Iino. Sort of how Kaguya and Hayasaka maintained a friendly relationship based on their master-servant relationship and not as an actual friend of the friend relationship. however of course... [size]IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE!!![/size] However you spin up this knot of uneasy feelings, Miyuki took on the most logical and most sensible reasons and laid it flat out on the table. Even if he were to consider Omi AKA Osaragi's action and the role she took in this love triangle. It does not mean that it's the best way to go about doing all this. What a pain... Shuuchin better has a world-class psychiatrist on-site in the school's nurse office, these teenagers and the person who they chose to be with and/or to despise will ultimately influence the future state of the country's economic, political and social structure. |
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cchigu said: TuyNOM said: Your comment reminded me of my past self where I myself tried to justify shit up.Or is it just a different opinion? Are you the kind of person who can't imagine that people can have different opinions lol? You found out the truth, I suppose? I never said that this mini-arc was exceptional but I don't need to show disgust with this arc like some people do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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cchigu said: TuyNOM said: Your comment reminded me of my past self where I myself tried to justify shit up.Or is it just a different opinion? Are you the kind of person who can't imagine that people can have different opinions lol? Your constantly flip-flopping opinions on this series is hilarious. You really like it one week, then shit on it the next. Make up your mind bro lol. |
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TsukuyomiREKT said: Welp, that is how I truly feel. My ideology is that I feel as much as it is natural to expect something genuinely great from your favorite manga, it is equally as much important to be critical about stuff that you really don't like. cchigu said: Your comment reminded me of my past self where I myself tried to justify shit up. Your constantly flip-flopping opinions on this series is hilarious. You really like it one week, then shit on it the next. Make up your mind bro lol. This is the reason why I quoted two persons in this forum who seemed to be struggling to criticize or to see their favorite manga being criticized. People really like putting their favorites on a pedestal and refusing to look at them without rose-tinted glasses. I simply can't stand it since they remind me of my pathetic past self. Well, that is some random bullshit sophistry from me. Have a nice day. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| man that's some heavy drama going on for many weeks now, end this arc already and bring back the fluff |
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| It would be nice if this arc ended with Osaragi and Miko making up and becoming friends while also leaving Ishigami alone. I don't like the Miko/Ishigami pairing, so this arc had been a chore to get through. Some good moments but I really don't want them to be end game. I like them as characters, but not together. |
| 8 parts and there's still more to go... this arc's a bit of a drag ngl. At least that conversation between Kaguya and Shirogane seems to show that Aka is somewhat aware that this is some nonsensical high school level drama/conflict that you cringe about when reflecting on as an adult. |
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| I loved this chapter. Every lines hit the spot. I can totally understand where all of these characters are coming from, and Aka did a brilliant job in their converses. |
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| Please let this end early... |
 My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
| The friendship between Miko and Osaragi isn’t going well right now and I can see Miko being immature to be very frankly honest I do agree with Kaguya that Miko is very immature as she always sees Ishigami or others from the way she interpreted on her own instead of looking what others would think about the situation and that’s what inaccurate in her verbally and sightingly plus she needs to practice being conscience by knowing when to approach a person who is having a difficult time and try to sympathize their feeling instead of leaving them stranded, it does take time for someone like Miko to do so it makes sense to why she didn’t approach him and that last speech Kaguya made was a perfect way to end the conversation when having troubles with your best friend. |
| ”It’s not that simpleee!!!” ~ Kaguya So Miko was well aware of her mistake huh? Anyways, I hope that they’ll be friends again. |
| Recognizing your own flaws is a (hard) step in the right direction. Kaguya was really spitting though, this is some great advice to someone with this sort of "one-track" mind. |
LastLuminescence said: Kaguya makes my blood boil, if you try to mediate a conflict you must be neutral, why Miko has to put herself in Osaragi's place and not the other way around?, immaturity? Miko is undoubtedly immature but so is Osaragi and so are you (especially after going out with the president you threw a tantrum due to any conflict and insecurity of yours) so you do not have that authority to tell anyone what to do. You offered to do her campaign in an act of selfishness and caprice so that your beloved president was elected again and, why is her sense of justice wrong or simple? what gives you the right or the power to decide what is the proper way to handle things? Who do you think you are? "All your judgments are based on your point of view" being sincere if I criticize this point I will criticize the whole series, all the misunderstandings, all the drama and the situations that were caused bor y your judgments, or by Shirogane. In reality we all do it and we continue to do so that is why we have freedom of choice. "You need proper language around who is around you "? You have not given Miko a chance to reply or her right to answer your accusations. At this point, I repeat to myself" All your judgments are based on your point of view "is basically what you are doing now. Miko is wrong because that's how you consider it. Miko certainly should have supported Ishigami directly but it is not so easy to do. For example, as to tell a withdrawn and introverted person to go to a party and to talk to everyone, I don't know that person could go to in the first place, the lights, people, the noise It is not something that we can do so easy and as Shirogane says "Omi" did not love him so much if I did not help her then, she is in the same boat as Miko. She only projects the situation of her parents onto Ishigami and anyone she is romantically related to. Kaguya, if someone you considered a friend talked you like that I wonder if you would act mature as you says is the right way to do things. Reading this comment makes my blood boil actually. If someone unironically thinks this with such a biased pov, they have understood nothing about Kaguya's character this whole series. |
| Kaguya said the terms! |
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