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Feb 9, 2022 12:25 AM
#51
Fail_Man_X said: caioworld said: I know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? I'm not watching the series, but that sounds a lot like love to me... It's not love, it's Stockholm Syndrome. King Fritz abused her powers, treated her as slave that even after 2000 years she was still a slave to those of Royal Blood. it's hard to understand if you aren't following the series |
Feb 9, 2022 12:42 AM
#52
@caioworld After ymir became titan even if she went berserk she would have no where to go and moreover she was a slave so she had mentality of slave she can't make her own decisions so that's why she returned to fritz. But before reading the ending i had one question why did she remained to serve fritz even in after life. And the reason was soo Terrible and ridiculous in the end I can't help but laugh. It made ymir the dumbest Character in fiction. It just ruins her character COMPLETELY. Her decision to come back to fritz became stupid due to the ending. She caused 2000 years of suffering for a ridiculous reason. |
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Feb 9, 2022 3:12 AM
#53
spectrojan said: A man of few words a I seecaioworld said: I know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? born a slave live a slave die a slave |
Feb 9, 2022 3:20 AM
#54
Questions like this make me realise that some ppl really just don't understand what they are watching. Everything is crystal clear here, and yet you don't understand. And I wonder why ppl dont understand the ending, while they dont even understand simple things like this |
Feb 9, 2022 3:27 AM
#55
Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. |
Feb 9, 2022 3:27 AM
#56
I mean in my book she is contending with Kaguya as the worst character ever created. |
Feb 9, 2022 4:12 AM
#57
Because it is dogshit trash laziness stupidity written to make the circumstances are reasonable with the plot. |
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Feb 9, 2022 4:41 AM
#58
Manga said she was in love with king firtz. Aot is full of toxic relationship like eren, jean and mikasa or farmer, ymir and historia. So dont expect much on that front |
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Feb 9, 2022 4:49 AM
#59
Because she loves king fritz. And "only ymir knows". Great writing sasuga isayama. All the character development of Eren breaking her free and stuff were thrown away to the trash with that ending. |
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Feb 9, 2022 5:16 AM
#60
Ymir and Fritz relationship seems to me similar as Theon and Ramsay relation from Game of Thrones |
Feb 9, 2022 5:57 AM
#61
I'm more curious on whoever portrayed Ymir to be someone amazing in her biography that Historia was reading. Who the hell wants to be like Ymir!! It's like your man is a wife-beater so just endure it and give him kids. |
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Feb 9, 2022 8:46 AM
#62
this will be answered in the end. some people will not like the reason but they just do not understand the reality and humanity behind it, as tragic as it is. i think the way the story ended was the best way possible and the most real. |
Feb 9, 2022 9:02 AM
#63
she is not stupid, she is ill. and doesn't know it any better. a slave in life. a slave in death. a slave to all eternity. |
Feb 9, 2022 10:50 AM
#64
Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. I think you're making the story deeper than it actually is and ultimately coping pretty hard. It's almost like 1 random dude jokingly said "Stockholm syndrome lol" and now everyone is eating it up and acting intelligent about it. Much like you here. If you love someone enough to be a slave to them for thousands of years (what feels like millions or more in paths) Also to those saying that it's not love. the manga explicitly says "YMIR WAS IN LOVE WITH KING FRITZ" Idk how coping can get this bad, everyone suddenly acting like a psychiatrist is almost funny |
Feb 9, 2022 11:45 AM
#65
caioworld said: I know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? I know that sounds completely stupid but I think Ymir truly loved him, even if that would be crazy. Ymir couldn‘t be free, her love to the king made her a slave. |
Feb 9, 2022 1:14 PM
#66
Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. I think you're making the story deeper than it actually is and ultimately coping pretty hard. It's almost like 1 random dude jokingly said "Stockholm syndrome lol" and now everyone is eating it up and acting intelligent about it. Much like you here. If you love someone enough to be a slave to them for thousands of years (what feels like millions or more in paths) Also to those saying that it's not love. the manga explicitly says "YMIR WAS IN LOVE WITH KING FRITZ" Idk how coping can get this bad, everyone suddenly acting like a psychiatrist is almost funny You don't have to be a plumber to know when pipe leaks, and you don't have to be a psychiatrist to see some obvious things. The reason many people keep saying it's stockholm syndrome is quite simple - because it is. If someone doesn't see that grass is green, then other will try to explain that it is, nothing surprising here. By the way, you know how Avalanche can happen, right? Sometimes one little thing can trigger something much much bigger. Just saying, that it happens. Whether or not you like something like that is different story. You can deny Avalanche as well as Eren triggering Ymir, your choice. |
Feb 9, 2022 1:18 PM
#67
Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. I think you're making the story deeper than it actually is and ultimately coping pretty hard. It's almost like 1 random dude jokingly said "Stockholm syndrome lol" and now everyone is eating it up and acting intelligent about it. Much like you here. If you love someone enough to be a slave to them for thousands of years (what feels like millions or more in paths) Also to those saying that it's not love. the manga explicitly says "YMIR WAS IN LOVE WITH KING FRITZ" Idk how coping can get this bad, everyone suddenly acting like a psychiatrist is almost funny You don't have to be a plumber to know when pipe leaks, and you don't have to be a psychiatrist to see some obvious things. The reason many people keep saying it's stockholm syndrome is quite simple - because it is. If someone doesn't see that grass is green, then other will try to explain that it is, nothing surprising here. By the way, you know how Avalanche can happen, right? Sometimes one little thing can trigger something much much bigger. Just saying, that it happens. Whether or not you like something like that is different story. You can deny Avalanche as well as Eren triggering Ymir, your choice. Idk man it seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to come up with something that the author didn't say. If emotions are as complex as you say, so much so I can't understand its complexity, that makes your argument kind of pathetic |
Feb 9, 2022 1:31 PM
#68
only ymir knows. jokes aside, nothing really matters anymore, the ending is garbage tier writing anyway, the writer does not care about it, why should we. |
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Feb 9, 2022 1:47 PM
#69
Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. I think you're making the story deeper than it actually is and ultimately coping pretty hard. It's almost like 1 random dude jokingly said "Stockholm syndrome lol" and now everyone is eating it up and acting intelligent about it. Much like you here. If you love someone enough to be a slave to them for thousands of years (what feels like millions or more in paths) Also to those saying that it's not love. the manga explicitly says "YMIR WAS IN LOVE WITH KING FRITZ" Idk how coping can get this bad, everyone suddenly acting like a psychiatrist is almost funny You don't have to be a plumber to know when pipe leaks, and you don't have to be a psychiatrist to see some obvious things. The reason many people keep saying it's stockholm syndrome is quite simple - because it is. If someone doesn't see that grass is green, then other will try to explain that it is, nothing surprising here. By the way, you know how Avalanche can happen, right? Sometimes one little thing can trigger something much much bigger. Just saying, that it happens. Whether or not you like something like that is different story. You can deny Avalanche as well as Eren triggering Ymir, your choice. It also seems like you don't fully understand what stockholm syndrome is to begin with. Here's a comment from a reddit user(BATCHEST!!!) kind of venting about the delusional concept of love in the AOT fanbase. Additional comment actions Eren claimed Ymir was waiting for Mikasa to free her and that goes against the entire conception of Stockholm because the victim does NOT want to be freed. Does NOT believe or think she needs to be freed. And most definitely does NOT wait for or trust anyone to do her anything except the abuser. The “she waited for Mikasa” invalidates her having a Stockholm from the get go. This only means she spent 2000 years for no reason at all. Except that she wanted to because she loved him so much like how Mikasa remained stuck to Eren’s memory for the same reason. Inserting words of “agony” and “nightmare” doesn’t negates the blatant romanticism because the execution is what matters, here not some meaningless words thrown around by characters. And the execution was: She always wanted to experience love, was never treated kindly by Fritz, exercised freedom through disobeying him and freeing the bigs, gets tortured and banished by him. Where exactly is this “kindness” that would make her develop a Stockholm? The fact she freed the pigs tell us she never felt free or loved under his rule. She never had a Stockholm. She merely had a very disfigured self-image and this CANNOT be healed by obtaining a god-like powers. This is why she continued serving him after she turned and after death because she has no “identity” outside of what Fritz thinks she is. But what did Isayama do? Inserted love as the main reason for her actions that we are supposed to see as Stockholm syndrome and believe telling someone who suffered a major Stockholm for 2000 years that her love was a nightmare is what would ultimately free her meanwhile in real cases of this syndrome, such statement will evoke the exact opposite reaction. Having Ymir wishing she let Fritz die or smiling at Mikasa killing Eren contradicts her having a Stockholm too as the proper reaction a real victim would have seeing such a scene of someone killing the object of love is CONFUSION. Because she wouldn’t understand why would someone kill an abuser or genocider of a lover - since she doesn’t see what’s wrong with loving an abuser. So, if nothing Isayama depicted comes close to what Stockholm means, then what it is? The only answer is that Yams romanticized her misery and how she just “fell in love with wrong guy” which only caused her agony and pain for her and others. Stockholm syndrome is a very rare case that does not happen in situations such as these. Even if it did, the events that take place in episode 5 are quite contradictory to that concept. But keep acting like your intelligence or knowledge of human emotions is superior to everyone here. |
Feb 9, 2022 2:04 PM
#70
snarat said: Ah yes, those that didn't like it simply didn't understand the reality and humanity of it. Thank you, oh great one.this will be answered in the end. some people will not like the reason but they just do not understand the reality and humanity behind it, as tragic as it is. i think the way the story ended was the best way possible and the most real. |
Feb 9, 2022 3:41 PM
#71
evoniee said: only ymir knows. jokes aside, nothing really matters anymore, the ending is garbage tier writing anyway, the writer does not care about it, why should we. nah it just we who doesn't pay attention to the info dropped in the last chapter. "only Ymir knows" is referring to why ymir waiting for "that person" and explained later in the last page |
Feb 9, 2022 3:52 PM
#72
caioworld said: she was, what, 10 at the time she become a Titan? Cmon…I know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? |
Feb 9, 2022 4:06 PM
#73
Hiro4ka11 said: you enlightened me. Now i change my manga score from 6 to 9. nah it just we who doesn't pay attention to the info dropped in the last chapter. "only Ymir knows" is referring to why ymir waiting for "that person" and explained later in the last page |
Feb 9, 2022 4:53 PM
#74
NEMESIS95 said: I'm guessing if it's becouse she was born a slave ? She wasn't, she was enslaved as a child when eldian-barbarians conquered her hometown. Did you speedwatch or what? Blindness? |
Feb 9, 2022 6:57 PM
#75
She's ignorant, born a slave, what did you expect She's a pitiful character with nothing interesting about her and she's not to blame for the chaos because she was used. She chose her own death and Fritz caused the titan's curse because he's the real dick. The fact that a dude with 5 minutes of screentime caused this whole mess is more annoying than Ymir being dumb |
Feb 9, 2022 8:19 PM
#76
Ymir's "reason" for doing anything in this show was the worst thing to come out of SnK. I thought it was a joke the first time I read it, and I don't care how many essays people write about the grand meaning about it all, I refuse to accept that it makes sense. Don't even get me started on the Stockholm Syndrome bullshit. It's so bad and out of place. |
Feb 10, 2022 1:06 AM
#78
SenbeiPan said: JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: Stockholm syndrome doesn't always require the victim to love, genius, ya'll are just proving my point more, either you don't actually know what it means or never seen it's affects irl. "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor."JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Ah yes, the face of the girl who is in love: Hahahaha, don't act like you don't know what happens in the final, you completed the manga. If you are "speaking clearly form an anime only side" why did you bring up the Stockholm Syndrome? There was no traces of that "syndrome" in the episode 5. Only a backstory with bunch of emotionless face, then the angry face of a tortured girl. Roger1 said: Not really I got it and many in the anime episode discussion got and many anime only reactors got it. Its pretty easy observation IMOJJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: I'm avoiding it as I'm waiting to re experience it again in the anime for a clearer opinion, thank you. I'm speaking clearly form an anime only side since you know, these aren't manga discussions are they?JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: Stockholm syndrome doesn't always require the victim to love, genius, ya'll are just proving my point more, either you don't actually know what it means or never seen it's affects irl. "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor."JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Ah yes, the face of the girl who is in love: Hahahaha, don't act like you don't know what happens in the final, you completed the manga. If you are "speaking clearly form an anime only side" why did you bring up the Stockholm Syndrome? There was no traces of that "syndrome" in the episode 5. Only a backstory with bunch of emotionless face, then the angry face of a tortured girl. Lol you’ll only know about the stockholm cope if you’ve read the manga xD why lie on an anime forum lmao hahaha you’re telling me you thought of stockholm syndrom just from episode 5? HAHAHHAHA |
Feb 10, 2022 1:36 AM
#79
Wow, people here saying emotions can't be exaggerated😇 |
Feb 10, 2022 2:04 AM
#80
Feb 10, 2022 2:04 AM
#81
adnan_ said: SenbeiPan said: JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: I'm avoiding it as I'm waiting to re experience it again in the anime for a clearer opinion, thank you. I'm speaking clearly form an anime only side since you know, these aren't manga discussions are they?JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: Stockholm syndrome doesn't always require the victim to love, genius, ya'll are just proving my point more, either you don't actually know what it means or never seen it's affects irl. "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor."JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Ah yes, the face of the girl who is in love: Hahahaha, don't act like you don't know what happens in the final, you completed the manga. If you are "speaking clearly form an anime only side" why did you bring up the Stockholm Syndrome? There was no traces of that "syndrome" in the episode 5. Only a backstory with bunch of emotionless face, then the angry face of a tortured girl. Roger1 said: Not really I got it and many in the anime episode discussion got and many anime only reactors got it. Its pretty easy observation IMOJJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: nearly every person that I've watched this episode with, a long with reactions, discussions, have all come to the conclusion that it is Stockholm syndrome as all the evidence points towards that. What else would it be other than that? If I'm correct, I don't remember the manga ever directly saying it was Stockholm syndrome so I don't see how me reading the manga has anything to do with itJJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: I'm avoiding it as I'm waiting to re experience it again in the anime for a clearer opinion, thank you. I'm speaking clearly form an anime only side since you know, these aren't manga discussions are they?JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: Stockholm syndrome doesn't always require the victim to love, genius, ya'll are just proving my point more, either you don't actually know what it means or never seen it's affects irl. "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor."JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Ah yes, the face of the girl who is in love: Hahahaha, don't act like you don't know what happens in the final, you completed the manga. If you are "speaking clearly form an anime only side" why did you bring up the Stockholm Syndrome? There was no traces of that "syndrome" in the episode 5. Only a backstory with bunch of emotionless face, then the angry face of a tortured girl. Lol you’ll only know about the stockholm cope if you’ve read the manga xD why lie on an anime forum lmao hahaha you’re telling me you thought of stockholm syndrom just from episode 5? HAHAHHAHA Bruh the ending’s been out for months obviously you’ve been spoiled xD you also rated the manga 10/10 LMAO Aot fans really coping hard hahahaha |
Roger1Feb 10, 2022 2:08 AM
Feb 10, 2022 6:14 AM
#82
Her reasons are explained later but she remain a very poor written plot device |
Feb 10, 2022 7:47 AM
#83
JJ_jose said: if you don't know the meaning of Stockholm syndrome then don't use it baka. Stockholm syndrome is only shown when the abuser/kidnapper shows some kind of love towards you. Now tell me when did the king actually showed some kind of love here?It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face |
Feb 10, 2022 12:40 PM
#84
ABISHEKuabishek said: JJ_jose said: if you don't know the meaning of Stockholm syndrome then don't use it baka. Stockholm syndrome is only shown when the abuser/kidnapper shows some kind of love towards you. Now tell me when did the king actually showed some kind of love here?It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face he gave her his "seed" and had her children become one with her, DUH |
Feb 10, 2022 2:49 PM
#85
Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. I think you're making the story deeper than it actually is and ultimately coping pretty hard. It's almost like 1 random dude jokingly said "Stockholm syndrome lol" and now everyone is eating it up and acting intelligent about it. Much like you here. If you love someone enough to be a slave to them for thousands of years (what feels like millions or more in paths) Also to those saying that it's not love. the manga explicitly says "YMIR WAS IN LOVE WITH KING FRITZ" Idk how coping can get this bad, everyone suddenly acting like a psychiatrist is almost funny You don't have to be a plumber to know when pipe leaks, and you don't have to be a psychiatrist to see some obvious things. The reason many people keep saying it's stockholm syndrome is quite simple - because it is. If someone doesn't see that grass is green, then other will try to explain that it is, nothing surprising here. By the way, you know how Avalanche can happen, right? Sometimes one little thing can trigger something much much bigger. Just saying, that it happens. Whether or not you like something like that is different story. You can deny Avalanche as well as Eren triggering Ymir, your choice. It also seems like you don't fully understand what stockholm syndrome is to begin with. Here's a comment from a reddit user(BATCHEST!!!) kind of venting about the delusional concept of love in the AOT fanbase. Additional comment actions Eren claimed Ymir was waiting for Mikasa to free her and that goes against the entire conception of Stockholm because the victim does NOT want to be freed. Does NOT believe or think she needs to be freed. And most definitely does NOT wait for or trust anyone to do her anything except the abuser. The “she waited for Mikasa” invalidates her having a Stockholm from the get go. This only means she spent 2000 years for no reason at all. Except that she wanted to because she loved him so much like how Mikasa remained stuck to Eren’s memory for the same reason. Inserting words of “agony” and “nightmare” doesn’t negates the blatant romanticism because the execution is what matters, here not some meaningless words thrown around by characters. And the execution was: She always wanted to experience love, was never treated kindly by Fritz, exercised freedom through disobeying him and freeing the bigs, gets tortured and banished by him. Where exactly is this “kindness” that would make her develop a Stockholm? The fact she freed the pigs tell us she never felt free or loved under his rule. She never had a Stockholm. She merely had a very disfigured self-image and this CANNOT be healed by obtaining a god-like powers. This is why she continued serving him after she turned and after death because she has no “identity” outside of what Fritz thinks she is. But what did Isayama do? Inserted love as the main reason for her actions that we are supposed to see as Stockholm syndrome and believe telling someone who suffered a major Stockholm for 2000 years that her love was a nightmare is what would ultimately free her meanwhile in real cases of this syndrome, such statement will evoke the exact opposite reaction. Having Ymir wishing she let Fritz die or smiling at Mikasa killing Eren contradicts her having a Stockholm too as the proper reaction a real victim would have seeing such a scene of someone killing the object of love is CONFUSION. Because she wouldn’t understand why would someone kill an abuser or genocider of a lover - since she doesn’t see what’s wrong with loving an abuser. So, if nothing Isayama depicted comes close to what Stockholm means, then what it is? The only answer is that Yams romanticized her misery and how she just “fell in love with wrong guy” which only caused her agony and pain for her and others. Stockholm syndrome is a very rare case that does not happen in situations such as these. Even if it did, the events that take place in episode 5 are quite contradictory to that concept. But keep acting like your intelligence or knowledge of human emotions is superior to everyone here. And when exactly did I say that I am superior to anyone in any way? XDD Because I said that someone doesnt understand one thing? You got a little carried away dude. But enough for me to see that we won't have any constructive dialogue. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean that this someone is acting superior to anyone. You think I misunderstand, I think you don't understand. That's all from me. |
Feb 10, 2022 3:29 PM
#86
Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. I think you're making the story deeper than it actually is and ultimately coping pretty hard. It's almost like 1 random dude jokingly said "Stockholm syndrome lol" and now everyone is eating it up and acting intelligent about it. Much like you here. If you love someone enough to be a slave to them for thousands of years (what feels like millions or more in paths) Also to those saying that it's not love. the manga explicitly says "YMIR WAS IN LOVE WITH KING FRITZ" Idk how coping can get this bad, everyone suddenly acting like a psychiatrist is almost funny You don't have to be a plumber to know when pipe leaks, and you don't have to be a psychiatrist to see some obvious things. The reason many people keep saying it's stockholm syndrome is quite simple - because it is. If someone doesn't see that grass is green, then other will try to explain that it is, nothing surprising here. By the way, you know how Avalanche can happen, right? Sometimes one little thing can trigger something much much bigger. Just saying, that it happens. Whether or not you like something like that is different story. You can deny Avalanche as well as Eren triggering Ymir, your choice. It also seems like you don't fully understand what stockholm syndrome is to begin with. Here's a comment from a reddit user(BATCHEST!!!) kind of venting about the delusional concept of love in the AOT fanbase. Additional comment actions Eren claimed Ymir was waiting for Mikasa to free her and that goes against the entire conception of Stockholm because the victim does NOT want to be freed. Does NOT believe or think she needs to be freed. And most definitely does NOT wait for or trust anyone to do her anything except the abuser. The “she waited for Mikasa” invalidates her having a Stockholm from the get go. This only means she spent 2000 years for no reason at all. Except that she wanted to because she loved him so much like how Mikasa remained stuck to Eren’s memory for the same reason. Inserting words of “agony” and “nightmare” doesn’t negates the blatant romanticism because the execution is what matters, here not some meaningless words thrown around by characters. And the execution was: She always wanted to experience love, was never treated kindly by Fritz, exercised freedom through disobeying him and freeing the bigs, gets tortured and banished by him. Where exactly is this “kindness” that would make her develop a Stockholm? The fact she freed the pigs tell us she never felt free or loved under his rule. She never had a Stockholm. She merely had a very disfigured self-image and this CANNOT be healed by obtaining a god-like powers. This is why she continued serving him after she turned and after death because she has no “identity” outside of what Fritz thinks she is. But what did Isayama do? Inserted love as the main reason for her actions that we are supposed to see as Stockholm syndrome and believe telling someone who suffered a major Stockholm for 2000 years that her love was a nightmare is what would ultimately free her meanwhile in real cases of this syndrome, such statement will evoke the exact opposite reaction. Having Ymir wishing she let Fritz die or smiling at Mikasa killing Eren contradicts her having a Stockholm too as the proper reaction a real victim would have seeing such a scene of someone killing the object of love is CONFUSION. Because she wouldn’t understand why would someone kill an abuser or genocider of a lover - since she doesn’t see what’s wrong with loving an abuser. So, if nothing Isayama depicted comes close to what Stockholm means, then what it is? The only answer is that Yams romanticized her misery and how she just “fell in love with wrong guy” which only caused her agony and pain for her and others. Stockholm syndrome is a very rare case that does not happen in situations such as these. Even if it did, the events that take place in episode 5 are quite contradictory to that concept. But keep acting like your intelligence or knowledge of human emotions is superior to everyone here. And when exactly did I say that I am superior to anyone in any way? XDD Because I said that someone doesnt understand one thing? You got a little carried away dude. But enough for me to see that we won't have any constructive dialogue. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean that this someone is acting superior to anyone. You think I misunderstand, I think you don't understand. That's all from me. You're acting exactly like that. You are saying others are not educated as much as you. Don't play dumb. |
Feb 10, 2022 3:33 PM
#87
Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. I think you're making the story deeper than it actually is and ultimately coping pretty hard. It's almost like 1 random dude jokingly said "Stockholm syndrome lol" and now everyone is eating it up and acting intelligent about it. Much like you here. If you love someone enough to be a slave to them for thousands of years (what feels like millions or more in paths) Also to those saying that it's not love. the manga explicitly says "YMIR WAS IN LOVE WITH KING FRITZ" Idk how coping can get this bad, everyone suddenly acting like a psychiatrist is almost funny You don't have to be a plumber to know when pipe leaks, and you don't have to be a psychiatrist to see some obvious things. The reason many people keep saying it's stockholm syndrome is quite simple - because it is. If someone doesn't see that grass is green, then other will try to explain that it is, nothing surprising here. By the way, you know how Avalanche can happen, right? Sometimes one little thing can trigger something much much bigger. Just saying, that it happens. Whether or not you like something like that is different story. You can deny Avalanche as well as Eren triggering Ymir, your choice. It also seems like you don't fully understand what stockholm syndrome is to begin with. Here's a comment from a reddit user(BATCHEST!!!) kind of venting about the delusional concept of love in the AOT fanbase. Additional comment actions Eren claimed Ymir was waiting for Mikasa to free her and that goes against the entire conception of Stockholm because the victim does NOT want to be freed. Does NOT believe or think she needs to be freed. And most definitely does NOT wait for or trust anyone to do her anything except the abuser. The “she waited for Mikasa” invalidates her having a Stockholm from the get go. This only means she spent 2000 years for no reason at all. Except that she wanted to because she loved him so much like how Mikasa remained stuck to Eren’s memory for the same reason. Inserting words of “agony” and “nightmare” doesn’t negates the blatant romanticism because the execution is what matters, here not some meaningless words thrown around by characters. And the execution was: She always wanted to experience love, was never treated kindly by Fritz, exercised freedom through disobeying him and freeing the bigs, gets tortured and banished by him. Where exactly is this “kindness” that would make her develop a Stockholm? The fact she freed the pigs tell us she never felt free or loved under his rule. She never had a Stockholm. She merely had a very disfigured self-image and this CANNOT be healed by obtaining a god-like powers. This is why she continued serving him after she turned and after death because she has no “identity” outside of what Fritz thinks she is. But what did Isayama do? Inserted love as the main reason for her actions that we are supposed to see as Stockholm syndrome and believe telling someone who suffered a major Stockholm for 2000 years that her love was a nightmare is what would ultimately free her meanwhile in real cases of this syndrome, such statement will evoke the exact opposite reaction. Having Ymir wishing she let Fritz die or smiling at Mikasa killing Eren contradicts her having a Stockholm too as the proper reaction a real victim would have seeing such a scene of someone killing the object of love is CONFUSION. Because she wouldn’t understand why would someone kill an abuser or genocider of a lover - since she doesn’t see what’s wrong with loving an abuser. So, if nothing Isayama depicted comes close to what Stockholm means, then what it is? The only answer is that Yams romanticized her misery and how she just “fell in love with wrong guy” which only caused her agony and pain for her and others. Stockholm syndrome is a very rare case that does not happen in situations such as these. Even if it did, the events that take place in episode 5 are quite contradictory to that concept. But keep acting like your intelligence or knowledge of human emotions is superior to everyone here. And when exactly did I say that I am superior to anyone in any way? XDD Because I said that someone doesnt understand one thing? You got a little carried away dude. But enough for me to see that we won't have any constructive dialogue. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean that this someone is acting superior to anyone. You think I misunderstand, I think you don't understand. That's all from me. You're acting exactly like that. You are saying others are not educated as much as you. Don't play dumb. What? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Ok XDDDDDDDD |
Feb 10, 2022 3:38 PM
#88
Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. WHAT? XDDDDDD OK XDDDD :DDDD "It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face" "Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone." this is what we call a superiority complex |
Feb 10, 2022 3:54 PM
#89
Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. WHAT? XDDDDDD OK XDDDD :DDDD "It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face" "Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone." this is what we call a superiority complex No. This is what we call a reading comprehension problem. Or misunderstanding. You can accuse me acting with superiority when I'll start saying thing like ' you don't understand because u are stupid and I understand because Im smarter than you" or something like that. What you quote above has nothing to do with superiority. First thing is disbelief (whether or not it's justified is a different story, but we won't come to agreement) and second quote is simply explaining my point of view, or, to be precise, some actual things. Becuase I hope you won't deny that there are a lot of toxic relationships on this world. Hope I clarify you a little. And that was all you can get from me. I don't feel like I can have a normal conversation with you, so Im not gonna waste any more time here. Of course you can accuse me of running away because thats pretty common reaction here on mal, when someone decides to cease the conversation but let's be civilized. Have a good day/night/whatever you have at your end. |
Feb 10, 2022 3:58 PM
#90
Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: Akilis93 said: Mooprs said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face yeah she must have really loved king fritz enough to not abandon him in less than 20 minutes after eren showed up Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone. WHAT? XDDDDDD OK XDDDD :DDDD "It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face" "Sounds to me like you just don't get how complex emotions can be. You have all kinds of toxic love, addictions to partner who treats you like shit, because your Self-Esteem is shit as well. Many people stays in such horrible relationships because they don't know how to escape. Perhaps you just need to experience something like that to fully understand, but I don't wish you any of that. It can easily destroy anyone." this is what we call a superiority complex No. This is what we call a reading comprehension problem. Or misunderstanding. You can accuse me acting with superiority when I'll start saying thing like ' you don't understand because u are stupid and I understand because Im smarter than you" or something like that. What you quote above has nothing to do with superiority. First thing is disbelief (whether or not it's justified is a different story, but we won't come to agreement) and second quote is simply explaining my point of view, or, to be precise, some actual things. Becuase I hope you won't deny that there are a lot of toxic relationships on this world. Hope I clarify you a little. And that was all you can get from me. I don't feel like I can have a normal conversation with you, so Im not gonna waste any more time here. Of course you can accuse me of running away because thats pretty common reaction here on mal, when someone decides to cease the conversation but let's be civilized. Have a good day/night/whatever you have at your end. Don't be so transparent. The quotes I gave are very obvious. I threw it at your face and you still don't get it! |
Feb 10, 2022 5:45 PM
#91
Because she's a fucking clown. |
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Feb 10, 2022 7:31 PM
#92
to me i found it very strange when she became a titan to just go serve the guy who basically ordered her death sentence also, stockholm syndrome is a very poorly studied term but is very commonly used in fictional stories. im not even sure you can call this case that since its very difficult for the victim to connect with the abuser when they've enslaved an entire village. the episode definitely tries to sell you the idea that this is a girl that wants approval and love but it just makes no sense she would give that to someone who literally ordered her to be killed off. there must be some other info that seem to already been in the manga so maybe we'll get to see more of it later on. otherwise its a very poorly done origin story. im going to guess she eventually resorted back to a lil girl and the king showered her with affection for her to become loyal to him. that is a very plausible mindset to have. |
TachiiFeb 10, 2022 7:34 PM
Feb 10, 2022 7:56 PM
#93
'Stockholm syndrome' exists ya know? |
Feb 11, 2022 5:29 AM
#94
Oh well she obviously loves the guy who enslaved her for years am i right guys? :| |
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Feb 11, 2022 5:41 AM
#95
Spektral_Beast said: Oh well she obviously loves the guy who enslaved her for years am i right guys? :| love is complicated some times. |
Feb 11, 2022 7:43 AM
#96
DestroyrOfDemons said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Stockholm Syndrome is real but to base Ymir's entire character and personality on that one aspect is, in my opinion, a laziness in writing. She had the power and ability because of she is the origin of the Paths to foster an "Eren-like" character over the 2000 years but she didn't which leads me to believe her so-called Stockholm Syndrome must be pretty strong, right? So why does it take Eren only a few nice words to break out her of it? It seems there too many plot conveniences but I hope my questions will get answered in the future episodes. Thanks That's because the entire story is filled to the brim with deus ex machinas and asspulls - Isayama is good at building up hype but really bad at delivering on it and having any form of coherent writing. A lot of AoT crumbles when analysed. |
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Feb 11, 2022 8:04 AM
#97
DestroyrOfDemons said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Stockholm Syndrome is real but to base Ymir's entire character and personality on that one aspect is, in my opinion, a laziness in writing. She had the power and ability because of she is the origin of the Paths to foster an "Eren-like" character over the 2000 years but she didn't which leads me to believe her so-called Stockholm Syndrome must be pretty strong, right? So why does it take Eren only a few nice words to break out her of it? It seems there too many plot conveniences but I hope my questions will get answered in the future episodes. Thanks I acknowledge the 'lazy writing' but tbh it's cause Isayama had to fit all this shit into 139 chaps. If he had more chaps he could've explained these themes in a better manner. So I won't call it lazy writing. |
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Feb 11, 2022 8:10 AM
#98
caioworld said: I know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? Paçoca com beterraba. |
Feb 11, 2022 8:13 AM
#99
Roger1 said: Umm no I didn't even knew who was in the poster when it dropped lol. I have been reading only those chapters that have been adapted in anime. If u want proof. U can dig my past replies and comments.adnan_ said: SenbeiPan said: JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: I'm avoiding it as I'm waiting to re experience it again in the anime for a clearer opinion, thank you. I'm speaking clearly form an anime only side since you know, these aren't manga discussions are they?JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: Stockholm syndrome doesn't always require the victim to love, genius, ya'll are just proving my point more, either you don't actually know what it means or never seen it's affects irl. "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor."JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Ah yes, the face of the girl who is in love: Hahahaha, don't act like you don't know what happens in the final, you completed the manga. If you are "speaking clearly form an anime only side" why did you bring up the Stockholm Syndrome? There was no traces of that "syndrome" in the episode 5. Only a backstory with bunch of emotionless face, then the angry face of a tortured girl. Roger1 said: JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: nearly every person that I've watched this episode with, a long with reactions, discussions, have all come to the conclusion that it is Stockholm syndrome as all the evidence points towards that. What else would it be other than that? If I'm correct, I don't remember the manga ever directly saying it was Stockholm syndrome so I don't see how me reading the manga has anything to do with itJJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: I'm avoiding it as I'm waiting to re experience it again in the anime for a clearer opinion, thank you. I'm speaking clearly form an anime only side since you know, these aren't manga discussions are they?JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: Stockholm syndrome doesn't always require the victim to love, genius, ya'll are just proving my point more, either you don't actually know what it means or never seen it's affects irl. "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor."JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Ah yes, the face of the girl who is in love: Hahahaha, don't act like you don't know what happens in the final, you completed the manga. If you are "speaking clearly form an anime only side" why did you bring up the Stockholm Syndrome? There was no traces of that "syndrome" in the episode 5. Only a backstory with bunch of emotionless face, then the angry face of a tortured girl. Lol you’ll only know about the stockholm cope if you’ve read the manga xD why lie on an anime forum lmao hahaha you’re telling me you thought of stockholm syndrom just from episode 5? HAHAHHAHA Bruh the ending’s been out for months obviously you’ve been spoiled xD you also rated the manga 10/10 LMAO Aot fans really coping hard hahahaha |
Feb 11, 2022 8:25 AM
#100
DeonX said: DestroyrOfDemons said: JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Stockholm Syndrome is real but to base Ymir's entire character and personality on that one aspect is, in my opinion, a laziness in writing. She had the power and ability because of she is the origin of the Paths to foster an "Eren-like" character over the 2000 years but she didn't which leads me to believe her so-called Stockholm Syndrome must be pretty strong, right? So why does it take Eren only a few nice words to break out her of it? It seems there too many plot conveniences but I hope my questions will get answered in the future episodes. Thanks I acknowledge the 'lazy writing' but tbh it's cause Isayama had to fit all this shit into 139 chaps. If he had more chaps he could've explained these themes in a better manner. So I won't call it lazy writing. Idk if I'm understanding this wrong but as the mangaka, Isayama chooses how many chapters there are. He didn't need to stop at 139 and cram all of it in like you say. He could've easily taken his time and created more chapters that's why I think it's lazy. |
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