DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
Devil_Slayer said: Irken said: Witch Satoko is just a brat for now, but maybe as time goes on she will understand how completely stupid her actions are and will change for the better (makes me think about the logic error mentioned in VN that Lambdadelta got herself into, plenty of time to reflect on all of that). That's just my assumption though. *copium* Wasn't that just Eva? Beatrice was just putting an act for the most part and Bernkastels personality is not the exact same. Bernkastel took the game against Beato personally and Lamda was actually admiring Battler and his battle against many witches. It's by case by case and Lamda is supposed to be a mix of Satoko and Takano not just Satoko. Yeah, Bern is a different case for sure. But I remember Virgilia mentioning that many new-born witches (not exactly the main cast, just in general) went kinda nuts when they got their power at first. Maybe my memory is wrong though. Still kinda hard for me to understand how exactly Satoko and Takano merge into Lambdadelta. I know it's probably the case but still seems really confusing |
| The Split personality thing feels a bit cheap but whatever. I'm glad we're getting newer stuff this arc instead of the usual 90% recap I'm interested in seeing how everything will be done in the following episodes |
 |
| This episode has 2 major problems.. or rather, it proves out the problems of the whole story. First of all, as many have mentioned, Satoko's cop-out. But more than that, Teppei and his redemption. Teppei's redemption was disputed and controversial since the beginning, but now we finally saw what it really was about, and why he got his redemption in the first place. He got his redemption purely for the sole purpose of giving Satoko a chance to have her cop-out. - This is most definitely NOT good writing. This whole story has been way too reactive. Satoko isn't a character that adapts, changes or acts based on her surroundings. Everything around her is written in a way to allow her to do whatever the writer wants her to do. Cheaply. There is no effort, and there is no results. Satoko can't be blamed for the things that came to pass cause she actually didn't even do anything... Anyway, Teppei being dead, I wonder what the K1 incident following up was all about. Also, we finally get to see the ACman headtilt again! Best moment of the both seasons! |
         Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
| Press F for Teppei. So they are going to go the split personality cop-out to "redeem" Satoko in the end. Too bad because her having a truly bad and awful ending would have been awesome. |
| I'm glad to have soooome reason for all this beyond pretending that Satoko's actions are something a person with a working mind would choose. Speaking as someone who only knows Umineko from the anime, though, I'm left to speculate on whether there's actual world mechanics behind Satoko developing an evil self immediately after learning about fragments or it's just she's nuts, which isn't great. Still more interested than I've been in a while. |
| well i didnt see the split personality thing coming lol. does this mean rational/good satoko has been killed off for good and now we're left with 'evil'/witch satoko? am interested to see how that will progress. |
  placeholder text |
| Are we getting Satoko witch VS Rikka as the finale? Things just got awry when we could have had a happy end for the Hojo's only. Don't know how this arc is gonna end now. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| People have already said it but I'm gonna agree with everyone saying that this is a copout. @Hulio illustrates the point very well so I'm not gonna dwell on it too much. They are definitely just giving Satoko a free way out by saying it was all 'evil' Satoko. Somehow, I had a feeling this would be the direction they would go, there's no way anyone would want her to get off easy after everything she did but they can't really kill off Satoko now can they? So might as well pass the blame onto evil Satoko and have good Satoko return at the end. Well, maybe the show will surprise us so let's see. |
 |
| While the split personality seems cliche’d, k think its not. If you take a second to enjoy the fact that its not actually a split personality and more of the splitting of intentions. If we recall to satokos wish, at the base, she just doesn’t want to be alone. But with the 100 years of watching rika (youtube binging style) it sorta changes and i think that wat happened was a logic error… im not umineko savvy so yall correct me. But at the base, its not a splitting of personality, its a representation of her goals fighting and deciding what is priority, wether it is the intention of not being alone or keepkng rika in hinamizawa. I think it was very cool and if you check the comments of this very forkm, haters be jumping to conclusion lmao. And well, even if it were split personality, first off, the evil won which is pretty cool. It wasnt some bullshitty scene. You can recognize each stage of herself. Its actually justified that there would/could have been a splitting. I really think this is a great episode that will lead to a fucking awesome finish. Yall continue enjoying the show! |
| *Making dear friend Rika experience the most horrifying deaths imaginable* Satoko: "I can keep doing this for another 100 years, Rika~" *#1 piece of shit Teppei about to get shot* Satoko: "No, evil me. Now is time to stooooop!!" So... is this how they are gonna try to redeem Satoko's IRREDEEMABLE character? "Wait! It wasn't her who did all those awful atrocities to her friends. It was, in fact, the witch that was somehow forming within her the one who is at fault here." Pure bullshit. |
| Second half of the episode was a banger for me personally. I was watching Satoko go nuts with my electricity out and it was certainly a sight to see. That last shot of her spitting out blood gave me goosebumps ngl. |
| I don't think this is meant to be a cop out at all. The way I interpreted it (could be wrong but we'll see in the next few episodes) was that the two Satoko's in the fragment world aren't literally two separate beings or personalities. Satoko's been shown to be having regrets throughout Tatari due to the change in Teppei's personality. The "good Satoko" is just a representation of those regrets and doubts. They didn't literally separate and fight, instead Satoko metaphorically killed her regrets. She just decided that she would ignore any feelings of remorse and continue doing anything to achieve her goals. I don't think it's being used to redeem her. Even if they are literal, the "good Satoko" is dead, and won't ever be able to come back. If anything this episode has made Satoko even more irredeemable, she's had doubts, and had opportunities to act on them but has chosen not to. |
| Lmao Oishi really did that just for his own entertainment. Poor Teppei he is so genuine care about Satoko. Damn Satoko soul fighting each other, sadly the bad one won. Wow we got Part 5 next week. |
 |
| Great episode! It was just business as usual for Sotsu at first with the Gou scenes, but then shit hit the fan, Jesus. I liked Oishi's pov and thought process throughout most of the episode though. The build up with the cracks to the 2 Satokos fighting was great. And wtf was that ending, if Satoko killed Teppei here then does that mean this is a different fragment? If it's the same fragment as tataridamashi, then who did Keiichi bonk if Teppei was dead? That's interesting. Really excited now for the arc after Tatariakashi, it's the new shit we've been waiting for. |
 |
| this is bad. the author tries so hard to find a reason whitewashing Satoko‘s crimes. |
Neunix said: When will Battler appear? Wouldnt it be nice if the last episode pans out, to Battler and Maria watching it on tv at Rokkenjima? Battler spoils the ending because he has read the book. A umineko tie in just like everbody wants. Higurashi just a book / tv show in Umineko after all. Cmon Ryuukishi, troll us one more time. |
ChargecoulombAug 27, 2021 10:02 PM
| Seeing the witch Satoko point her gun at shell Satoko just reminded me of the "trust nobody, not even yourself" meme. |
| Lol the end humans actually don't consist of 95% blood. While it was nice to see good Satoko breaking free, it was lame that she was instantly beaten by her ugly, evil version. There are not many episodes left, this twist was a bit late. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| Hahahahahahahahahaha the writing for this arc is so fucking stupid even for Sotsugou standard and I have no idea how anyone, especially Higurashi/Umineko fans, actually like this pile of septic goo. It's like they intentionally write this fanfiction to be as shit as possible as a parody of itself. I won't even bother talking about how stupid specific plot points are in this episode because I don't want to write a 5000 words essay like how some dumbasses in here love to do to defend this shit show. I guess killing her abusive uncle that went through a dollar store redemption arc is what breaks her. Can't believe the day would come when Teppei's death affect Satoko more than Rika's or Satoshi's. Ryukishi actually did it and he actually managed to troll the Higurashi fandom once again after the years of abuse and some fans actually got mindbroke into liking this cesspool. |
| This ep was so stupid till the first shot then it became completely retarded. So lets develop Satoko because she was s a damsel in distress in the OG by making her a damsel in distress again this time of her own making in Gou/Sotsou. BRLLIANT WRITING. Random thought, so Teppei is this redeemed character now that loves Satoko and wants to protect her...so why isnt he getting paranoid? Why isnt HS affecting him at all? Ooishi's plan just conveniently matches Satoko's plan. CWS manage to do even worse job when they try to do something. They know Satoko has made false reports before but now believe her words. Amazing. Hey at least Keichi's scene in Gou was indeed a hallucination triggered by what he saw and possibly a trap hitting his head as well.Or Satoko from behind. Not a repeat of Rena vs Keichi. SouthRzVa said: *Making dear friend Rika experience the most horrifying deaths imaginable* Satoko: "I can keep doing this for another 100 years, Rika~" *#1 piece of shit Teppei about to get shot* Satoko: "No, evil me. Now is time to stooooop!!" Pure bullshit. Couldnt say it better myself. |
| it actually amazes me how hard this episode tried and failed to be all dramatic and edgy and such. I haven't been having any high expectations for this show whatsoever given that it completely misses the point of higurashi but whatever, even when its trying to be exciting I just feel no dramatic tension whatsoever. satoko having some kinda split identity struggle outta nowhere, i mean haha who woulda thought? satoko valuing her abusive uncle who threatened to rape her when she got older, over rika? satoshi, even? i seriously wonder what the point of turning satoko into a COMPLETELY different character even was when she was just a strange colorblind child with an abusive uncle and a severe dependency on her brother in the original. every time she appears onscreen with her red eyes to do something oh-so nefarious i just roll my eyes because its the same thing every time also stupid dollar store featherine was prolly just introduced for merch or instant fanart cus all she ever does onscreen is say something like "hahaha wow, this is SO entertaining guys!! ha ha ha!!" like ryukishi doesnt even know what to do with her besides the obvious umineko connection. the dialogue is legit just not entertaining when everyone acts like a sick psychopath yandere. this show sucks. higurashi was a very sincere story with a fantastic atmosphere and this fanfic sequel that ryukishi and passione prolly just concocted for the moneys makes me wonder if this show was actually not intended for fans of higurashi, but for younger audiences who just wanted to see gallons of blood and closeups of intestines |
Irken said: Devil_Slayer said: Even Lamdadelta, who was this super evil selfish witch who see our cast as a plaything had more depth and morals than this nutjob Satoko. It kinda makes sense tho if we consider the current Satoko as a "new-born" Lambdadelta. Many witches in Umineko at the beginning of their path were cold-blooded murderers — they got overwhelmed by their power and just didn't know better (like EVA-Beatrice, even Beatrice). But as they lived they understood how meaningless those cruel actions were, learned compassion, and the meaning of "life" itself. So I kinda understand why the plot turned out that way. Witch Satoko is just a brat for now, but maybe as time goes on she will understand how completely stupid her actions are and will change for the better (makes me think about the logic error mentioned in VN that Lambdadelta got herself into, plenty of time to reflect on all of that). That's just my assumption though. *copium* Umineko which is all about witches never tried to blame the witches, at least not in order to protect the culprit. Sotsu using the witches like this is just stupid to say the least. |
| Sorry folks, but isn't the Umineko reference that is appearing in every epiode discussion a little far fetched, the show already struggles badly to make sense of it's own. I don' think there is place to add another story into it. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Fabienne said: Tell that to the scriptwriters lol.Sorry folks, but isn't the Umineko reference that is appearing in every epiode discussion a little far fetched, the show already struggles badly to make sense of it's own. I don' think there is place to add another story into it. |
| I kinda' hated the idea of the two Satokos fighting. Outside of the fragment world and the looping, nothing has been overtly supernatural in the series, and by that I mean that there hasn't been anyone casting fireball spells or being possessed by actual demons or stupid shit like that. This story takes place in a world that is *relatively* realistic, and it can all be explained by science, although fringe science. But now we have the possibility of actual possession, and that just takes a dangerously close step toward jumping the shark. Plus, the real Satoko now has her agency stripped away from her. Instead of Satoko being responsible for her actions and simply going insane and doing "what must be done to get Rika back," or some other crackpot excuse she tells herself, now it's gonna be that Satoko was literally possessed by an evil witch. You might as well say "the devil made her do it" or something equally stupid. It's a retcon of the character, and retcons are always dog shit. The only thing that would make this forgivable now is if the entire thing was a metaphorical battle, with Satoko "killing off" her remorse and pity in order to be able to act without being hindered by them. Until shown otherwise, I have to believe this, because the other choice is just too dumb for me to keep enjoying the series. |
Rex_IvanAug 29, 2021 3:25 AM
| I truly feel bad for Shion having to suffer so much because of Satoko's victim play... Meanwhile Ooishi really shows how people can make anything they hear out to somehow support their preconceived opinion. And looks like Satoko came very close there to coming to her senses, only to end up with a split personality, and then have the old, good side magically deleted... (Also, Ooishi left around their house the worst copy-paste trash I've seen in a while...) |
 |
| Everyone waited for Teppei to die. But where's the graduation thing |
 |
| to be honest I prefer ending the story by killing Satoko rather than redeem Satoko |
 |
Price-Field said: It wont.Um... I might be mixing things, but didn't Teppei knock keiichi out in gou? How is that gonna happen now? Keichi went full paranoid when he saw all the blood and was also possibly hit with a trap when he pull the light switch OR Satoko hit him with a bat. This time it was indeed a hallucination unlike Rena vs Keichi. |
| Uh, I hope final episode won't be Good Satoko defeating Evil Satoko and everyone will be happy after that. Good episode nonetheless, I expected Keiichi to kill her uncle. |
| What the hell was this awful attempt at trying to redeem Satoko? Also, lol @ Teppei being the one who made her finally realize the error of her ways. So damn stupid. |
Jin_uzuki said: Rika is the one looping for 100+ years, Satoko is quite new to this with just a few loops she's gone though, unless I've missed something.I assume this episode confirms Satoko loves Teppei more than her friends, her brother and Rika and all the people she massacred and traumatized in over 100+ years. Interesting! So it's not unimaginable that murdering someone who's going through a redemption arc is the breaking point. MomoSinX said: There's still a possibility that the evil personality simply wins, regular Satoko is gone and Lambdadelta is born.So they are going to go the split personality cop-out to "redeem" Satoko in the end. Too bad because her having a truly bad and awful ending would have been awesome. |
You all need to watch Nami. |
More topics from this board
» This is one of the biggest television accidents I have ever seen...Dante012 - Jul 19, 2023 |
23 |
by ayynat
»»
Dec 18, 4:47 AM |
|
Poll: » Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Sotsu Episode 14 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Sep 23, 2021 |
398 |
by susisa_tagumpay
»»
Dec 11, 9:36 AM |
|
Poll: » Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Sotsu Episode 15 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Sep 30, 2021 |
414 |
by Bullard
»»
Dec 5, 2:11 PM |
|
» Higurashi’s charactersbananachips - Oct 14 |
11 |
by Saimatsu_Fan
»»
Oct 15, 7:08 PM |
|
Poll: » Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Sotsu Episode 8 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 )Stark700 - Aug 12, 2021 |
161 |
by Tennouji
»»
Oct 11, 9:12 AM |