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Why does a Battle Shounen MC 99.99% of the time never kill?

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Jul 28, 2021 12:42 PM
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There's nothing more infuriating to me than when a Battle Shounen MC just lets the villain retreat or leave them badly wounded to just have him come back later on and fuck shit up again. I get that the villain might come back with their redemption arc, but most of the time it is just there to pad the series's length.
Jul 28, 2021 12:47 PM
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it's a trope the creators love to use for some reason, don't think too much about it
Jul 28, 2021 12:50 PM
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I feel like It's just to drag the show on. Idk
Jul 28, 2021 12:54 PM
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"big things comes from small beginnings" like a slippery slope or butterfly effect

great evil comes from a small start thats why the classic trope of this Batman has a never kill policy

but ye there is a necessary evil philosophy to counter that for the greater good then Batman should kill the Joker already to finally stop his terror

but what will happen to the length of the show if that happens quickly
Jul 28, 2021 12:54 PM
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They just value life I guess, all that moral stuff that makes people hate battle shounen irrationally.
Jul 28, 2021 12:56 PM
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deg said:
"big things comes from small beginnings" like a slippery slope or butterfly effect

great evil comes from a small start thats why the classic trope of this Batman has a never kill policy

but ye there is a necessary evil philosophy to counter that for the greater good then Batman should kill the Joker already to finally stop his terror

but what will happen to the length of the show if that happens quickly


That's why your grandparents read Batman during their youth and so will you and so will your descendants because it will never have an ending
Jul 28, 2021 12:56 PM
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Do you know what sucks even more? When the enemy just talks while the mc is getting back up after being injured, and the enemy could have easily killed the mc.
Jul 28, 2021 12:57 PM
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Because they suck. This is why I like HXH, Dragon Ball z, Yu Yu Hakusho etc. They kill.
Jul 28, 2021 1:01 PM
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maybe so that they can use them again later? as in MC befriends the villian
Jul 28, 2021 1:05 PM

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To give more in depth for both the good and the bad guy and to build up hype once you know their strength. I take it as a presentation and I like it, its something that in any other medium would look ridiculous so let it be
Jul 28, 2021 1:06 PM

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deg said:
"big things comes from small beginnings" like a slippery slope or butterfly effect

great evil comes from a small start thats why the classic trope of this Batman has a never kill policy

but ye there is a necessary evil philosophy to counter that for the greater good then Batman should kill the Joker already to finally stop his terror

but what will happen to the length of the show if that happens quickly


and when it happens, i mean that Joker is dead, they just push the reboot button.
Jul 28, 2021 1:07 PM

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There is no reason for it other than the usual "if I do it then I'll be the same as them (villain)." It's just another overused shounen trope.
Jul 28, 2021 1:25 PM

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Because people like to see the hero from the golden heart that can never do wrong and is always kind and emphatetic towards everyone
Jul 28, 2021 1:28 PM
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Dragevard said:
deg said:
"big things comes from small beginnings" like a slippery slope or butterfly effect

great evil comes from a small start thats why the classic trope of this Batman has a never kill policy

but ye there is a necessary evil philosophy to counter that for the greater good then Batman should kill the Joker already to finally stop his terror

but what will happen to the length of the show if that happens quickly


That's why your grandparents read Batman during their youth and so will you and so will your descendants because it will never have an ending


that is true for all DC and Marvel comics though because of multiverse or alternate universe plot
Jul 28, 2021 1:31 PM
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because general shounen target to 15 years old kids or lower, so there is a risk of emulation.
Jul 28, 2021 1:49 PM
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Some modern shonens are changing things tho. Both Demon Slayer and JJK gets the shit done when it comes to killing.
Jul 28, 2021 2:00 PM
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If the villain dies he can no longer say "I'll get you next time, Gadget" and the show would be over.
Jul 28, 2021 2:05 PM

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Yeah I hated the fact that Aang never killed the Firelord, or that Shrek never killed the dragon. We need more violence
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Jul 28, 2021 2:13 PM
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easy, it's because people die when they are killed.
Jul 28, 2021 2:14 PM

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Because killing 1 murderer = the number of murderers stays the same #deepaf
Jul 28, 2021 2:22 PM

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Judevin said:
Because killing 1 murderer = the number of murderers stays the same #deepaf


Our main protagonist decides to kill 2 murders

1 ≠ 2
Jul 28, 2021 2:24 PM

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Simple, the creators want the show to run longer, so they make these "don't kill protagonists". MHA could've ended years ago if Deku just fucking killed Shigaraki, and it's not just in Battle Shonens. In TPN, Emma makes herself this "just" "do no wrong" protagonist, and it fucking annoys me, just let the demons die. However, I think a great example of a Protagonist who doesn't kill the villain is Thorfinn. He has a reason not to kill Askeladd, which is a warrior's honor and his father's honor. Ye but it's mainly to make the show run longer.
Jul 28, 2021 2:33 PM

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I mean there are two ways you can think about it, marketing standpoint and character writing.

Marketing: Violence bad + long running show = profit

Character writing: sense of moral + stooping to the villain does not make you any better
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Jul 28, 2021 2:37 PM
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Because it keeps the show alive for longer and it also teaches the audience that having morals is better than ruthless violence.
Jul 28, 2021 3:03 PM

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"Why does a Battle Shounen MC 99.99% of the time never kill?"

Because teaching kids to automatically hate and try to kill their adversaries or even someone who is unsympathetic to them is kind of a dumb idea which inevitably will bite you back?
Jul 28, 2021 3:42 PM

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Well then someone will plot revenge on them and more enemies might be acquired instead of possible allies. Many times killing ain't the solution, even a random person can kill the opponent, it's pretty simple outcome which most of the time solves nothing.

That being said, there are some trash who NEEDS to be killed, but then again, dying is just escaping suffering, so ultimately it's not cool as some edgy teenagers think it is.
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Jul 28, 2021 3:46 PM

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lol people seriously want MC to kill off characters. Shounen aren't already edgy enough to you guys?
Jul 28, 2021 4:18 PM
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It is actually why I like the Demon Slayer main character. He kills.
I like dub more than sub because I am not a weeb.
Jul 28, 2021 7:03 PM
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Idk why people aren't stating the obvious. Shounen is targeted at boys and many parents wouldn't be happy with their 12 year old seeing another child kill everyone. It would like questioning film rating system albeit shounen is more vague not regulated and there are shounen where people die(some with a lot).
Jul 28, 2021 7:21 PM

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I dont have any problem with killing or not only thing i hate about mc is

One villain destroy mc village and kill his teacher and this brat lecturing villain i know you are good we have been through same past bla bla (mc like naruto asta)

Even goku is better he is idiot but he dont do this type of shit


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Jul 28, 2021 7:44 PM

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Yeah, that sometimes kills my interest, every sane person would definitely kill a villain if possible except Batman.

Jul 28, 2021 7:45 PM

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Conceptualhero said:
It is actually why I like the Demon Slayer main character. He kills.
Yeah that's exactly why the movie was the masterpiece.

Jul 29, 2021 4:03 AM
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Basically to not make the heros any worse than the villains they target.

Jul 29, 2021 4:16 AM

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Eren killed
Jul 29, 2021 10:42 AM

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Alioune said:
because general shounen target to 15 years old kids or lower, so there is a risk of emulation.


15 year old watch DBZ, Goku kills, Gohan kills, etc
Jul 29, 2021 10:43 AM

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Antipheonix said:
Idk why people aren't stating the obvious. Shounen is targeted at boys and many parents wouldn't be happy with their 12 year old seeing another child kill everyone. It would like questioning film rating system albeit shounen is more vague not regulated and there are shounen where people die(some with a lot).


So they're not happy with their kids watching Gohan killing Cell nor Goku killing King Piccolo
Jul 29, 2021 10:47 AM

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Coz if they did, they wouldn't be "Battle Shounen MC".
Jul 29, 2021 10:52 AM

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Why are people so desperate to have their main characters kill everyone?
Jul 29, 2021 11:11 AM
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In some contexts, killing equates to being above the law and taking justice into your own hands. I think the fear in these types of situations is that these characters could develop a sense of self-righteousness in killing to the point that they may kill people preemptively without cause or those who may have the potential to turn their lives around. It basically appeals to the belief that these villains should be punished for their crimes in an organized and official way rather than relying on personal feelings.
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I mean there are battle shonen MCs that kill JoJo, Chainsaw Man, Dragon Ball, Devilman, Demon Slayer, HxH etc. Those aren't niche titles that's a lot of notable titles if anything.

At the end of the day though battle shonen titles are aimed at teens and some in the younger half of that age group. The goal can be to instill morals against violence/hate or keep the tone somewhat more light hearted by not having tons of grisly violence. You just have creators that want to keep characters around too. The idea that action shonen MCs though never kill is pretty exaggerated when you go through the list though.
Jul 29, 2021 11:33 AM

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it not true actually, they do kill sometimes (naruto killed yura, ichigo killed Ginjō Kūga, tanjiro killed many demons). some series they even kill too much like aot

it just that most of them don't want to send the message of killing
bakuman had arc of stealing which exactly explains the reason.
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Jul 29, 2021 11:37 AM

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it's some weird trope a lot of mangaka like to use for some weird reason, a lot of shonen anime probably don't go super dark due to the demographic, and the show would most likely get canceled if there was a bunch of bloody violence.
Jul 29, 2021 12:01 PM

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Killing is a thing "evil guys" do. So if the MC cross the line, this will make him as bad as them.

Jul 29, 2021 12:09 PM

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characters questioning their decisions for more than a second (like a normal human being would) wouldn't make sense...how can a shounen protagonist have a thought other than "if i want to be the best i need to work harder" in their head?
Jul 29, 2021 12:18 PM

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What for to include killing?.. For realism, something like that?.. There are stories that focus on realistic journeys.. But it's also only one of the way to enjoy and write adventure..
Jul 29, 2021 12:38 PM

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I don't know what kind of battle shounen have you been watching, because plenty of battle shounen mcs have actually killed.
Sep 22, 2021 8:44 AM
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Probably because they aren't psychopaths?
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Sep 22, 2021 11:16 AM

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Maybe because most shounen is for a younger audience they don't want to ruin the character for them.
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Sep 22, 2021 2:58 PM
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Conceptualhero said:
It is actually why I like the Demon Slayer main character. He kills.


I know right? who needs any sort of depth or development when you got EDGE BOI

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