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| Johan truly is capable of anything. Master of what he does. |
| Wow Suk is such a NOOB and dense it makes me cringe. Am I the only one who wants to punch him right in his throat? "You can search my room, I've got nothing to hide"? B*tch didn't you think for a second that they might have planted some evidence in your room before you got there?! "I didn't do anything wrong"? "They'll understand"?!! Is this guy on LSD or something? He doesn't have a single clue about what's going on around him! Or in general too... The right analogy to his situation would be: 'A baby seal inside a tank full of sharks.' |
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| Suk is really naive. I'm surprised he didn't grasp that he was being framed and that if he were to go to the station they will 'understand', yeah sure they will. The only explanation that I could think of for Suk smelling gun powder instead of hearing a shot, is that Johan must of used a silencer, otherwise it just doesn't make sense. |
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| That tape was creepy. Johan overdid it a bit, he put evidence of the crime and even killed the inspectors in Suk's house. Grimmer was terrified when he saw him come down the stairs. |
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| The 40's are by far the best episodes, so damn amazing. Excellent Episode. |
| ...Johan's smiles give me nightmares |
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| smh i thought we would get some important info from that tape |
| Amazing these last two episodes were special thanks to Johan of course so it turned out that the new police chief is also a former secret police that was actually a good idea from Grimmer to meet at a public cafe well it was better than a secret place they might have ended up in a really worse situation , but I wonder who was that man's voice on the cassette ? well it seems like Johan made a good relation for Suk great episode but kinda slow pace I give it 4/5 |
| Suk was terrified and Johan makes it look so easy |
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| Why Anna/Nina Johan left Grimmer live? I wonder how Jan Suk & Grimmer are going to debunk the Prague police suspicions now that they are 2 cops that were investigating him dead plus the crime scene have those whisky candies & the muscle relaxants/drug in that jar (assuming they are going to flee without cleaning the scene) or if they stay they definitely are going to be arrested and inside a prison they can prove their innocence. Another thing is going by his loo I think Suk saw Anna thus his mind-broken state of mind firstly because her betrayal (he doesn’t know she is a he and that he is Johan) and second because he didn’t associate the beauty with Nina suddenly appearing his life and the coincidence of the events… as a detective he has to be felling down but as a man even more heartbroken (again he doesn’t know that Anna is a man)… Superb episode! |
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| Suk is totally in big pinch, at least he's not dead I guess you can say his situation is sucks xD Still no sign of Tenma and Anna/Nina Well Tenma showed his face few times but only for a bit |
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| Suk is just an easy target at this point. Slight work |
| whys johan so evil xD |
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Well, looks like Grimmer has a backstory of his own. But those facial expressions are something to behold. The look on Grimmer's face. Has any other villain dressed in drag? Wait, don't answer that.  The incompetent detective just got served the dish of his life. Dude should have been careful already. Grimmer going down the rooms was like this. Y'all should just read Pluto. |
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
| I already have an idea why Johan doesn't harm Grimmer. Suk is fucked, tho. Pretty intense episode again, especially the part with the tape. |
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| One of Grimmer'a early appearances made me think he could've been in Kinderheim 511 but his age, assumed since all that a know is that he used to be a spy, simply doesn't add up for him to be one of the orphans. I really hope he is one of the good guys. Thrilling ending. The final scenes made it look as if Suk had hanged himself. There is one thing that is bothering me and that is how Johan managed to kill the agents without making any noise. Amazing episode regardless. |
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| Oh boy, looks like Johan set the stage for yet another false accusation. This is becoming utterly insane. |
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jamesismynamo said: You're right. I've already finished it so I won't spoil anything but imo Monster starts peaking even more with this agent Suk arc.SaiDrew said: One of Grimmer'a early appearances made me think he could've been in Kinderheim 511 Killer episode, this anime is really boiling after slowly heating up the last several episodes |
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| Still wondering how Suk made it that far into his career while being this naive. It's like they picked a random person off the street, gave him a badge, and told him "here, play detective for a bit". Spilling information about a high-profile case to some rando at the bar he doesn't even know the name of? Meeting with a suspect in public, in broad daylight? Not being wary of the other police after he was just betrayed twice? He was endearing at first but his naivete is too much now. Not even going to bother questioning why Suk could smell gunpowder but not hear the shots. We already knew about the source of the monster thing Johan keeps repeating, guess Grimmer and Suk have to hear it too. Makes sense. I'm wondering what Johan's goal in this is, though. For someone who keeps saying he wants to kill everyone, he sure is concerned with small fry. |
| Nah, Grimmer will understand, since he already saw a blonde girl coming out from a homicide scene twice. A thing I don't understand is Johan's motive for disguising as Nina. He may have reached the point that he will abandon everyone, family is not an exception, or even his saviour is included. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
SaiDrew said: One of Grimmer'a early appearances made me think he could've been in Kinderheim 511 but his age, assumed since all that a know is that he used to be a spy, simply doesn't add up for him to be one of the orphans. I really hope he is one of the good guys. Thrilling ending. The final scenes made it look as if Suk had hanged himself. There is one thing that is bothering me and that is how Johan managed to kill the agents without making any noise. Amazing episode regardless. I agree. I think Grimmer was at 511 Kinderheim with Johan, perhaps as an older kid. Despite him not having met Johan/Anna (as far as we know or have seen), he had an eerie feeling when Johan was at the cafe. It's possible he subconsciously recognized Johan's face because he's met him before, therefore triggering a flashback, but wasn't aware enough in the moment to actually register that Johan was there spying on him. When Grimmer listened to the tape, he was very explicitly triggered by Johan speaking/telling the story possibly because Grimmer heard it while HE was AT 511 Kinderheim. It also explains the vent-fan flashback, which I think existed at 511 Kinderheim. Anna, before, had a similar gut-wrenching reaction when she read the Monster storybook. Because we don't know much about Grimmer's past (journalist? spy?) him having firsthand experience at 511 Kinderheim would explain his skills (his more covert, shrewd, intense personality) and would also explain the very visceral reaction he has to Johan's presence. If he was once manipulated by Johan, of course he would have such debilitating trauma, and of course he would be on a personal mission to investigate. Whew. Loving this anime. So good. |
| damn it, the tension made me stop my brearth. johan wants to completely destroy suk. and there's things about grimmer we haven't found yet. wonder to where the story going up to. |
| The tape was a creepy thing to listen to, also Johan just outplayed Suk completely in this episodes |
| Why doesn't Johan do anything to Grimmer? Intense episode nonetheless, especially that ending. |
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| How does Johan pick his targets? Aside from going after old foster parents, why does he specifically target people like Schuwald and Suk? And it looks like they hint at Grimmer also being from 511 Kinderheim |
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| That whole tape scene was honestly pretty disturbing |
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| suk is in big trouble for sure, plus he got framed up by that candy. Johan appeared again after the killings. He really has the frightening aura |
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| Suk Really got owned. Poor guy… |
| Supongo que lo estan investigando por el supuesto asesinato de los tres inspectores |
Ulquiorra said: That tape was creepy. Johan overdid it a bit, he put evidence of the crime and even killed the inspectors in Suk's house. Grimmer was terrified when he saw him come down the stairs. why would he plant evidence? the police had it and planted it. besides it doesn't make sense to get a guy framed and then save the day immediately afterwards. that "evidence" goes no where and it changes nothing about the outcome. but suk is a megaretard |
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| johan came to save the day! and the tape turned out nothing too special |
| Johan really messed up Suk's life there by killing those cops making it even more difficult to prove his innocence. Also seeing Grimmers reaction to the tape recording makes me think he was personally involved with Kinderheim 511 in some way. |
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| Can't take this arc seriously anymore. Not with Johan now being able to physically morph into Anna at will. By the way, I gotta laugh at Suk not being able to connect the dots regarding the identity of the "blonde beauty" yet he identified Grimmer aka "the tall man with a bag" almost immediately. |
| That must have been traumatic Not only was Suk being framed by Johan but to make it worse Johan shot both of the detectives disguised as Anna then Sok opened the door to find that Aunna shot both the detectives and was also the person that framed him but of course to us it’s Johan who’s doing all of this this but to Suk it’s Aunna the one person he trusted |
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| Damn that sucks. He can become the next Tenma and wander around Europe as a fugitive |
| QUE WEAAAAAA XDDDDDD |
| I had a feeling that Grimmer has a past at 511 Kinderheim when he first came to Mr Petrov because of his reaction to the "experiment", and this ep pretty much confirms he was there at some point Since Grimmer already had a son who presumably died at a young age (didn't yet go fishing with his dad), I assume that he's about double the age of Johan. If he had any connection to 511, he was an adult at that point. Unless he was there before Johan but that kinda wouldn't matter overall. Grimmer told Tenma that if a doctor as good as Tenma was near him back then, his son would've been saved. Could it be that Grimmer's son was friends with the kids from Kinderheim, possibly Johan, and got killed? Idk if kids from orphanages have friends on the outside though. He did mention that he was a spy. He might've just briefly seen some things inside Kinderheim that traumatized him enough to the point that he can't listen to the tape. Or he had to become a part of 511 to keep his real identity a secret? Because when he separated from Tenma he told him something about burdens and sins. It's still a mystery what the hell exactly does Grimmer keep in that bag lol. We've seen it's filled with books but he carries them literally everywhere. I suspect that all of them are about Kinderheim Neither Grimmer nor Suk had a reaction to Johan's name because Johan mentioned multiple names, so they didn't find his name particularly important. Johan started making bigger moves. Suk is being framed so that's gonna be tough. I almost thought he hanged himself Grimmer's encounter with Johan at the stairs was great. What a villain!  |
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