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| Higurashi style of Maria-sama ga Miteru. Satoko is a bomb waiting to explode. Being trapped with other low score girls in the study room looks like torture. Satoko, why even go to a school when you don't want to study?? Just drop and go back to Hinamizawa. Stop wasting Irie's money. Rika finally got her dream life of getting high quality education + leave Hinamizawa. Using her long life experience, the other girls are amazed how mature she is. :) |
| That was a great episode, maybe one of the best ones of this sequel/remake. Which makes me wonder if we actually needed all those horrible murders so far. It was full of great suspense slowly seeing their friendship falling apart. It's great how it is shown that both are doing something wrong. Rika follows her selfish wish to study at an elite high school with Satoko, even though she should know that Satoko would fail with her attitude towards studying. Satoko the lazy village girl with her "I don't want to study" attitude, but at her age she has to go to an high school anyway, she probably had failed her first year at every school, when she completely refuses studying. She thinks Rika made her life miserable now, but instead of talking it out she gets only mad. Overall I expect Rika and Satoko to be closer after living together for so long, but as soon as Rika smells ojou sama air, she dropped Satoko without second thoughts, after all the episodes before, I thought Rika would not act so thoughtless. Since it's Higurashi we know that this will end with gore. Still curious about how, if at all Satoko will acquire the loop ability and who will give it to her. When graduate, you often leave most of your old classmates behind and mature together with new people, in this case it would have been better for both to get separate ways. Especially in case Rika still remembers what happened in episode 16 I would be happy to get rid of Satoko and leave her in the sticks. |
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| [quote=MightyM17 message=61997151] Jin_uzuki said: not_a_sticker said: Though given how Gou characterized the club so far I don't expect R07 to actually consider that. "Character learns thing she already learned in the original story but she forgot somehow" is also a shit excuse from a sequel tbh. That's the first I'm hearing of this. Beyond K1's special case I never really noticed any development carrying over. The thing with Shion remembering her promise seems more like a special flip of a coin case Yeah, I don't think they keep all development either. Note that the last interaction between Satoko and Shion in Matsuribayashi VN is Satoko being annoyed by Shion attempting to play nee-nee (and Shion also never moved in to the Hinamizawa school unlike in some previous stories). They'd be closer if all development carried over. |
NeonDZFeb 13, 2021 4:52 AM
Fabienne said: Especially in case Rika still remembers what happened in episode 16 I would be happy to get rid of Satoko and leave her in the sticks. All of this happens way before episode 16. |
ssjokg said: Fabienne said: Especially in case Rika still remembers what happened in episode 16 I would be happy to get rid of Satoko and leave her in the sticks. All of this happens way before episode 16. Satoko apparently started the new loop, but we don't know if Satoko planned all the earlier murders yet. or if they just happened because of changes in the timeline. |
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| The problem is how characters are jist missing parts of their personalities. Of course growth from other arcs wont carry into Matsu but that is no excuse for the lack of key characteristics in their writing. Specially in regards to Rika. |
Fabienne said: Satoko apparently started the new loop, but we don't know if Satoko planned all the earlier murders yet. or if they just happened because of changes in the timeline. Satoko hasnt started anything yet, this isnt a new loop but a continuation of the original Higurashi's ending. We will slowly reach the start of episode 2. |
Fabienne said: Satoko apparently started the new loop, but we don't know if Satoko planned all the earlier murders yet. or if they just happened because of changes in the timeline. Changes in the timeline? The only thing we know yet is the new loop. Undoing Matsu and everything after it. Everything else happened due to interference from Satoko or another person, or Kakera randomness. Satoko was with Rena and Mion just before they went L5 for example. |
| Rika: "Let's do stuff together!" Satoko: "Nah, I'm good." Also Satoko: "WhY hAvE yOu ReJeCtEd Me, RiKa?!" Although, Rika has been living with Satoko for like 100 years so she should know better. She should know Satoko better than Satoko knows herself. |
| [quote=NeonDZ message=61997488] MightyM17 said: Jin_uzuki said: That's the first I'm hearing of this. Beyond K1's special case I never really noticed any development carrying over. The thing with Shion remembering her promise seems more like a special flip of a coin case Yeah, I don't think they keep all development either. Note that the last interaction between Satoko and Shion in Matsuribayashi VN is Satoko being annoyed by Shion attempting to play nee-nee (and Shion also never moved in to the Hinamizawa school unlike in some previous stories). They'd be closer if all development carried over. Are people seriously arguing the cast of Higurashi doesn't change through the story? Keiichi actions at the end of Tsumihoroboshi literally carried over all the other fragments and they never doubt each other again from that point, Shion's realization at the end of Maekashi had such an impact that she never takes human life again after it, learns to control her demons and it's willing to die for Satoko. All the mistakes they do in the questions arcs are intentionally not repeated in Kai because they end up shaping them as people. And yes, the fact she tries to play "Nee Nee" for Satoko, something that never happened before Maekashi shows her development carried over. She loves Satoko, which is something that never happened before Maekashi. I have no idea how you can read Higurashi and genuinely believe Matsuri Keiichi is the same person he was Onikakushi and the entire story up to that point didn't matter except for Rika and Hanyuu. Do people feel like Higurashi's ending was not conclusive? Because if I believed Satoko never actually developed as a person, I sure wouldn't consider Matsuri a miracle fragment or a definitive ending. I'd call it an inconclusive ending and I'd expect them to actually address the fact these people apparently never developed in that fragment. But no obviously, because Higurashi is a story about these people changing, developing and not repeating their mistakes and reaching a happy ending after 100 years. Maybe Gou should be about the character re-leaning all the stuff they already learned in the original since apparently they didn't happen. We should have a Shion's culprit arc again in the future, and a terrorist Rena again. Teppei needs to come back too, since they never dealt with him in Matsuri. Every character gets a turn being a looper until they learn again what they learned in the original! Except Mion, because she's not relevant ever. |
Jin_uzukiFeb 13, 2021 1:27 PM
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| Possible continuation of Umineko after Higurashi? There are several references to Umineko on this Higurashi route, in addition to the Santa Lucia school, Amakusa also appeared, Rika drinking Benkastel style tea, as she manages to become a thinner person becoming more and more like Bernkastel. I know that most of this may just be a Ryu07 fanservice to pay a little tribute to her other work, but what if in the end, everything that happened to Rika in this anime is a prequel to how she 'becomes' Bernkastel and possibly announce a continuation or reboot of Umineko? I know it's too much to dream, but with this last episode I was a little deluded, I can even draw a Rika vs Satoko like Bern x Lambda, as much as Lambda is portrayed as Takano, Satoko is much more like her I know it would be a type of Rebuild Of Evangelion, but I don't care if they connect Higurashi Gou by putting Satoko as Bernkastel and how they both became witches and became rivals (in addition to friends). Also, it may not be too late to ask Ryukishi and the studio to do a continuation or reboot of Umineko |
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ssjokg said: 1-2) Always considered them to be the same, would be funny even for R07 to make basically 2 copies of same person of this caliber, but being "not same". There is seemingly the difference of "900" years between the two however, for whatever that means. Definitely enough to affect how they are.@Hulio @Tsukumo_Yuuma Bern was born from Rika's struggle. She is Rika but she is even more than that. Rika is just Rika free from all of that. You both agree on that. There are 3 questions: 1)Are Frederika Bernkastel and Witch Bernkastel also different entities with the same origin(Rika)? 2)Frederica in Higurashi clearly isnt like the Witch Bernkastel, and we know she separated from Rika in Saikoroshi, so is Gou the creation of Witch Bernkastel? 3)How do we know that Gou Rika isnt Frederika? Unless if 1987 is a different fragment where Saikoroshi didnt happen, Rika shouldnt have any "powers", like glowing red eyes. Gotta say I don't really remember anything of Saikoroshi, gotta rewatch it asap I guess. (not really time to read it rn) 3) That is interesting question. What comes to the glowing eyes tho, could just be "artist"'s freedom. Haven't really been reading the manga so don't know how the eyes were there. Rena for instance, already had different looking eyes during her moment, so who knows? random_weirdo said: Pretty sure K1 says "Kayotteta", don't know the word but the suffix would suggest a past tense. Google Translate also says something like "went through".Speaking of Shion, for all Japanese-knowing folks out there, is there a mistranslation when Keiichi or Rena say that St. Lucia is the school that Shion goes to, present tense? It kinda defeats the purpose of Shion's escape if she was sent back to St. Lucia again after the events of Matsuribayashi. This isn't even the first, who the heck is translating this? :D WillKamio said: Well... as it stands, I'm inclined to say "Hope not".Possible continuation of Umineko after Higurashi? There are several references to Umineko on this Higurashi route, in addition to the Santa Lucia school, Amakusa also appeared, Rika drinking Benkastel style tea, as she manages to become a thinner person becoming more and more like Bernkastel. I know that most of this may just be a Ryu07 fanservice to pay a little tribute to her other work, but what if in the end, everything that happened to Rika in this anime is a prequel to how she 'becomes' Bernkastel and possibly announce a continuation or reboot of Umineko? I know it's too much to dream, but with this last episode I was a little deluded, I can even draw a Rika vs Satoko like Bern x Lambda, as much as Lambda is portrayed as Takano, Satoko is much more like her I know it would be a type of Rebuild Of Evangelion, but I don't care if they connect Higurashi Gou by putting Satoko as Bernkastel and how they both became witches and became rivals (in addition to friends). Also, it may not be too late to ask Ryukishi and the studio to do a continuation or reboot of Umineko What comes to those references, yes and no. Of course it could be a "reference" by throwing all of them at us in quick succesion, but then again they all existed already so they're not really "references". Interestingly enough, I also did think Lambda was Satoko at first, but no, she even shares the Seiyuu with Smol Takano so it gotta be her. Even some of the GOU defenders have been defending GOU and R07's writing on this by saying "It's harder to write Anime scripts" and what not. I don't really see why that would change if they made a Umineko sequel after this. |
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Jin_uzuki said: Are people seriously arguing the cast of Higurashi doesn't change through the story? Keiichi actions at the end of Tsumihoroboshi literally carried over all the other fragments and they never doubt each other again from that point, Shion's realization at the end of Maekashi had such an impact that she never takes human life again after it, learns to control her demons and it's willing to die for Satoko. All the mistakes they do in the questions arcs are intentionally not repeated in Kai because they end up shaping them as people. And yes, the fact she tries to play "Nee Nee" for Satoko, something that never happened before Maekashi shows her development carried over. She loves Satoko, which is something that never happened before Maekashi. The characters are shown remembering specific moments/lessons at times, especially Keiichi, but it was never something completely consistent. Yes, Shion never goes on a murderous rampage again after Meakashi, but in the following arcs she put so much into following her promise to Satoshi that she moves to Hinamizawa, something that doesn't happen in Matsuribayashi - where she doesn't blame Satoko for what happened to him, but for whatever reason wasn't as close as she was in the previous two fragments. I sure wouldn't consider Matsuri a miracle fragment or a definitive ending. I'd call it an inconclusive ending and I'd expect them to actually address the fact these people apparently never developed in that fragment. But no obviously, because Higurashi is a story about these people changing, developing and not repeating their mistakes and reaching a happy ending after 100 years. I mean, that's not a new idea. There's a reason Miotsukushi-hen was added to the console releases. Obviously some people thought that the final arc should have dealt with everyone's problems. Gou itself seems to be partially based on a reread of Matsuribayashi and noticing the problematic elements still left there, like Rika never revealing her real personality to her friends and Satoko's lesson from Minagoroshi never coming up. I'm not defending everything Gou has done (like the weird pacing and focus of these last two episodes, with not even a single mention of Shion and Satoshi in the present and Mion never shown on screen) but I think there is a solid core in picking apart Matsuribayashi. Hulio said: Interestingly enough, I also did think Lambda was Satoko at first, but no, she even shares the Seiyuu with Smol Takano so it gotta be her. Lambda's name/design similarities with Takano were meant to be a red-herring going by an old interview with Ryukishi07. It's possible he just changed plans midway through and came up with an excuse though, which would explain the VA. Still, there's a scene where Lambda is blatantly used for a Satoko reference. https://imgur.com/a/yJ86l4D And it does feel like Looper Satoko's relationship with Rika in Nekodamashi had some resemblance to Lambda/Bern's love/hate. But still there's nothing really definitive connecting them yet. |
NeonDZFeb 13, 2021 2:40 PM
NeonDZ said: Jin_uzuki said: Are people seriously arguing the cast of Higurashi doesn't change through the story? Keiichi actions at the end of Tsumihoroboshi literally carried over all the other fragments and they never doubt each other again from that point, Shion's realization at the end of Maekashi had such an impact that she never takes human life again after it, learns to control her demons and it's willing to die for Satoko. All the mistakes they do in the questions arcs are intentionally not repeated in Kai because they end up shaping them as people. And yes, the fact she tries to play "Nee Nee" for Satoko, something that never happened before Maekashi shows her development carried over. She loves Satoko, which is something that never happened before Maekashi. The characters are shown remembering specific moments/lessons at times, especially Keiichi, but it was never something completely consistent. Yes, Shion never goes on a murderous rampage again after Meakashi, but in the following arcs she put so much into following her promise to Satoshi that she moves to Hinamizawa, something that doesn't happen in Matsuribayashi - where she doesn't blame Satoko for what happened to him, but for whatever reason wasn't as close as she was in the previous two fragments. She still is continuing her development from Meakashi she's in life or death situations and never once attempts to take a life and is willing to die for the others. This is not the girl defined by her rage and demons in Maekashi. Shion's character arc is a continuous thing which is why at the very end she's able to meet Satoshi again and her efforts are rewarded after her redemption. Don't people see the clear intent from R07 to make his characters struggles and development a continuous thing? I mean, that's not a new idea. There's a reason Miotsukushi-hen was added to the console releases. Obviously some people thought that the final arc should have dealt with everyone's problems. Miotsukishi also kills Hanyuu and cuts Takano's backstory so I'm going to say Miotsukishi doesn't even understand the point of the story (Also iirc it has some characters almost going L5 at one point? Obvious betrayal of Tsumi's themes) . They don't need to address everyone's problems again because it would be redundant once the reader understand the story's structure, which is show clearly in the novel a bunch of times with the concept of mixing, creating and linking fragments together. Higurashi character don't get "reseted" every loop, it's a continuous story where you can see their choices being carried over through the narrative and the universe.  Characters in question proceed to never doubt their friends again and smash fates in the very next two episodes. Matsuri was meant to be the final fragment, the celebration of 100 years of struggles. Akasaka is literally able to keep his promise through time and space, why would R07 even need to re do everyone's character arc? It's redundant. I'd argue it would make the story worse and invalidate the point of all the other episodes. These characters already developed, now they can come together work together. Gou itself seems to be partially based on a review of Matsuribayashi and noticing the problematic elements still left there, like Rika never revealing her real personality to her friends and Satoko's lesson from Minagoroshi never coming up. I'm not defensing everything Gou has done (like the weird pacing and focus of these last two episodes, with not even a single mention of Shion and Satoshi in the present) but I think there is a solid core in picking apart Matsuribayashi. I'd argue Saikoroshi already concluded Rika's character arc. She's never going to be the 10 years old little girl she's supposed to be, but she's also admits playing witch while she drinks wine makes her look like a fool (Also I always got the impression the club at least suspected something was up with Rika in Matsuri). Not that Gou even addresses the fact the club doesn't know her true personality, to begin with every club members has been written off at this point. Rika getting sweep off by Saint Lucia doesn't seem necessarily related to her age (Plenty of girls seem to shine there as shown by the parties she's been having), if anything the fact she suddenly started to refer as Hinamizawa as a "Hick town" and couldn't even bother to investigate Satoko's behaviors makes her look more childish than anything and very ooc. Is she a mature woman in the body of a little girl or a teenager who can't even bother to pay attention to her only family left? But really, was addressing Satoko's problem (Which in my opinion didn't even need to exist due to Matsuri's peculiar nature) worth crapping over Higurashi's hard won happy ending? Did people feel like all this time Higurashi's ending was incomplete?   I think R07's intentions back then are at lest pretty self-explanatory. |
Jin_uzukiFeb 13, 2021 3:19 PM
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And I really don't think this art style would fit Umineko. I noticed that when Gou moved away from Hinamizawa, in this ep, that the new art style wasnt so weird anymore. The whole issue was that we were seeing a familiar place in a very different way. A remake of Umineko wouldn't work with this. It needs a style more like Psycho Pass, ufo's FSN or KnK, hell I would even pick Attack on Titan's art style and designs over Passiones. But my top pick would be what Mushoku Tensei is doing. If the anime script is shit at least lets get a feast for the eyes. I dont think that making a proper adaptation is impossible or even hard, as long as there is some passion(ironic isn't it) behind it. But looking at Gou, it seems like any anime project would be a cash grab. Would be glad to be proven wrong tho. |
Jin_uzuki said: She still is continuing her development from Makeashi, she's in life or death situations and never once attempts to take a life and is willing to die for the others. This is not the girl defined by her rage and demons in Maekashi. Shion's character arc is a continuous thing which is why at the very end she's able to meet Satoshi again and her efforts are rewarded after her redemption. Don't people see the clear intent from R07 to make his characters struggles and development a continuous thing? From a narrative point of view, he obviously wasn't just repeating himself, but like I pointed out, the issue of Shion being closer to the others in the previous arc rather than Matsuri points to the characters not just continuing directly from one fragment to another. I'd argue Saikoroshi already concluded Rika's character arc. She's never going to be the 10 years old little girl she's supposed to be, but she's also admits playing witch while she drinks wine makes her look like a fool (Also I always got the impression the club at least suspected something was up with Rika in Matsuri). Not that Gou even addresses the fact the club doesn't know her true personality, to begin with every club members has been written off at this point. Rika getting sweep off by Saint Lucia doesn't seem necessarily related to her age (Plenty of girls seem to shine there as shown by the parties she's been having), if anything the fact she suddenly started to refer as Hinamizawa as a "Hick town" and couldn't even bother to investigate Satoko's behaviors makes her look more childish than anything and very ooc. Is she a mature woman in the body of a little girl or a teenager who can't even bother to pay attention to her only family left? The conflict in Saint Lucia partially exists because Satoko believed the childish Rika she knows wouldn't really care about St.Lucia. It would be just a fleeting fancy, so she never even seemed to try fitting in. When she sees Rika talking with the girls there in a formal way, rather than her usual childish one, she dismisses it as Rika being good at acting, and mentions she soon would get tired of it all. She has a fundamental misunderstanding of who Rika is because Rika never dropped her mask in front of her Hinamizawa friends. It's not about knowing about the loops, it's about knowing Rika, something that was never really resolved in the original Higurashi in spite of its themes about bonds. Like I said above, I agree that the club getting written off like that was pretty weak though (although there is still a small chance we'll get another arc in this era or a similar one focused on other characters, but I'm not counting on that). |
NeonDZFeb 13, 2021 3:23 PM
NeonDZ said: Jin_uzuki said: She still is continuing her development from Makeashi, she's in life or death situations and never once attempts to take a life and is willing to die for the others. This is not the girl defined by her rage and demons in Maekashi. Shion's character arc is a continuous thing which is why at the very end she's able to meet Satoshi again and her efforts are rewarded after her redemption. Don't people see the clear intent from R07 to make his characters struggles and development a continuous thing? From a narrative point of view, he obviously wasn't just repeating himself, but like I pointed out, the issue of Shion being closer to the others in the previous arc rather than Matsuri points to the characters not just continuing directly from one fragment to another. I'd argue Saikoroshi already concluded Rika's character arc. She's never going to be the 10 years old little girl she's supposed to be, but she's also admits playing witch while she drinks wine makes her look like a fool (Also I always got the impression the club at least suspected something was up with Rika in Matsuri). Not that Gou even addresses the fact the club doesn't know her true personality, to begin with every club members has been written off at this point. Rika getting sweep off by Saint Lucia doesn't seem necessarily related to her age (Plenty of girls seem to shine there as shown by the parties she's been having), if anything the fact she suddenly started to refer as Hinamizawa as a "Hick town" and couldn't even bother to investigate Satoko's behaviors makes her look more childish than anything and very ooc. Is she a mature woman in the body of a little girl or a teenager who can't even bother to pay attention to her only family left? The conflict in Saint Lucia partially exists because Satoko believed the childish Rika she knows wouldn't really care about St.Lucia. It would be just a fleeting fancy, so she never even seemed to try fitting in. When she sees Rika talking with the girls there in a formal way, rather than her usual childish one, she dismisses it as Rika being good at acting, and mentions she soon would get tired of it all. She has a fundamental misunderstanding of who Rika is because Rika never dropped her mask in front of her Hinamizawa friends. It's not about knowing about the loops, it's about knowing Rika, something that was never really resolved in the original Higurashi in spite of its themes about bonds. Like I said above, I agree that the club getting written off like that was pretty weak though (although there is still a small chance we'll get another arc in this era or a similar one focused on other characters, but I'm not counting on that). I mean... did people get the impression the original Rika was into fancy and high society stuff (Saiko Rika was spoiled, but she was also 10)? Her only wish back then was to be able to live in Hinamizawa's peacefully with her friends. She was cynical and bitter, a bit condescending at times but I never got the impression she would be "Gotta party with the girls, smell you later hick town". I'm certainly shocked as Satoko and I know Rika's true personality for sure lol. |
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Jin_uzuki said: I mean... did people get the impression the original Rika was into fancy and high society stuff (Saiko Rika was spoiled, but she was also 10)? Her only wish back then was to be able to live in Hinamizawa's peacefully with her friends. She was cynical and bitter, a bit condescending at times but I never got the impression she would be "Gotta party with the girls, smell you later hick town". I'm certainly shocked as Satoko and I know Rika's true personality for sure lol. The going to St.Lucia part is new, but Rika is someone who naturally talks in a formal way, can be cynical and enjoys poems. Her basic personality is just very different from the seemingly genuine childish mask she keeps in Hinamizawa, and it's not surprising that could lead to problems at some point, due to her own close friends not really knowing her. Even though the St.Lucia stuff is new, I don't think it's odd she enjoys a place where she gets positive attention for talking about dices of fate for example. It's the kind of thing you see in her monologues, and now she can just throw it out there. And obviously overall behaving in a polite formal way is no issue either, since her mask was the childish side. But all that comes out of nowhere for Satoko. |
NeonDZFeb 13, 2021 3:58 PM
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Liddo-kun said: Higurashi style of Maria-sama ga Miteru. Satoko is a bomb waiting to explode. Being trapped with other low score girls in the study room looks like torture. Satoko, why even go to a school when you don't want to study?? Just drop and go back to Hinamizawa. Stop wasting Irie's money. Rika finally got her dream life of getting high quality education + leave Hinamizawa. Using her long life experience, the other girls are amazed how mature she is. :) Rika literally told her that her dream was to go there with Satoko. And Satoko only studied to go to that school because she didn't want to be away from Rika. |
NeonDZ said: Jin_uzuki said: I mean... did people get the impression the original Rika was into fancy and high society stuff (Saiko Rika was spoiled, but she was also 10)? Her only wish back then was to be able to live in Hinamizawa's peacefully with her friends. She was cynical and bitter, a bit condescending at times but I never got the impression she would be "Gotta party with the girls, smell you later hick town". I'm certainly shocked as Satoko and I know Rika's true personality for sure lol. The going to St.Lucia part is new, but Rika is someone who naturally talks in a formal way, can be cynical and enjoys poems. Her basic personality is just very different from the seemingly genuine childish mask she keeps in Hinamizawa, and it's not surprising that could lead to problems at some point, due to her own close friends not really knowing her. Even though the St.Lucia stuff is new, I don't think it's odd she enjoys a place where she gets positive attention for talking about dices of fate for example. It's the kind of thing you see in her monologues, and now she can just throw it out there. And obviously overall behaving in a polite formal way is no issue either, since her mask was the childish side. But all that comes out of nowhere for Satoko. Uh, I can actually agree with your argument there. But I feel her disdain of Hinamizawa really doesn't fit her previous character. Lke I get why she'd want to move and see more things, but I don't agree she would ever refer to it as a "Hick town", even at her worst she always seemed to love Hinamizawa and fit in, and the club games were one of the few things that brought her joy. |
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| I'm liking where this is going, this arc feels fresh and exciting. Can't say the same for the other arcs of Gou. It seems like Satoko is going to start world-looping soon. |
| >cute school time >cute girl >Star Wars scene transitions >Satoko's buffy bazoongas >not so cute slice of life I spent this whole episode saying to myself "now it's time" but... no. And where's Shion? And what's with those red-eyed Satoko with a gun out of nowhere??? This episode ended nice. We could see anger bloom in Satoko's eyes. At least one thing, right? But... I WANT TO SEE BLOOD. I WANT TO SEE DEATH. I WANT GORE. I WANT CHAOS!!! Like we say over here: "where children cry and their mom can't hear". I want it. I DON'T WANT SLICE OF LIFE-HEN!! I WANT BLOOD-HEN!! Had my beloved Higurashi: When they Cry series turned into Higurashi: When They Drop? |
niko_sbFeb 13, 2021 7:13 PM
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| Damn, Satoko about to snap and make her precious friend go through more cicles of despair and death just because she expected life in St. Lucia to be easy despite the hella demanding entrance exam she just took. Like more than two years studding? Jesus Christ. Also WTF with that "you said you wanted to live this new life with me..." shit? She's the one turning down Rika's offer of help and the one deciding to distance herself from her. Seriously, Satoko's body may have grown but her mindset remained pretty much the same as when she was 11/12. This said, that academy is indeed pretty shitty. Wonder how Shion could put up with such heavy environment given how explosive she can be. |
| I'm gonna' be sad when it happens all over again. Damnit, I thought it could work out this time. There's nothing you can do if there's no communication. |
| Is Satoko the one world-looping this time and if so, will the shard be used by Rika to kill Satoko? |
niko_sb said: I spent this whole episode saying to myself "now it's time" but... no. And where's Shion? And what's with those red-eyed Satoko with a gun out of nowhere??? This episode ended nice. We could see anger bloom in Satoko's eyes. At least one thing, right? But... I WANT TO SEE BLOOD. I WANT TO SEE DEATH. I WANT GORE. I WANT CHAOS!!! Like we say over here: "where children cry and their mom can't hear". I want it. I DON'T WANT SLICE OF LIFE-HEN!! I WANT BLOOD-HEN!! Had my beloved Higurashi: When they Cry series turned into Higurashi: When They Drop? Sorry to tell you but "your beloved Higurashi" was never mainly about what you personally like about it. It's a mystery series with a bit of gore, not the other way round. I'd even go so far and say that R07 (the author) would be disappointed if people only watched Higurashi for the splatter parts. Seems to me like the complexity of the WTC series is indeed wasted on people like you. |
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Jin_uzuki said: Uh, I can actually agree with your argument there. But I feel her disdain of Hinamizawa really doesn't fit her previous character. Lke I get why she'd want to move and see more things, but I don't agree she would ever refer to it as a "Hick town", even at her worst she always seemed to love Hinamizawa and fit in, and the club games were one of the few things that brought her joy. I think it's something that theoretically makes sense for her character, but, yes, it was never brought up before in spite of all the monologues in the VN, so it's just something bolted on to cause conflict in Gou. Still although according to Gou she always wanted to leave, she only shows outright disdain for Hinamizawa after waking up back in 1983, due to losing her future life. |
| Its the way that they handled it. I could see Rika wanting to leave Hinamiaizawa if all her friends had left and gone on their seperate paths. If it was framed that way it would have been better. More believable than what we got anyway. St Lucia doesnt fit. Rikas never been that refined, that part of her personality is faked by her, and as someone who doesnt like being told with what to do its hard to believe that she would go to such a school in the first place. Regardless of that decision she would without a doubt know that Satoko wouldnt fit in. From her monologues we do know that she is very knowledgable regarding her friends personalities so why? Regardless of that. She does notice that Satoko is having trouble, knows about her Fragile mental state, and didnt expect anything bad to happen? From what we've seen so far Gou is nobodys fault. Its more caused by circumstance. A theme in Higurashi is lack of communicstion. Yet during the series Rika has been able to understand Satoko's intentions with her actions. This was true even in Rei. |
| Really, Satoko...? You reject her help and then blame her when she's exactly where you told her to go? |
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| After a streak of amazingly gorey episodes comes this. A return to the first half and it's SoL parts, i.e the most boring part of the series. Disappointing episode, at least next episode lookslike it's gonna have some action |
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| I know the message "Don't leave Hinamizawa" is stupid, but did you check the lyrics of the new ending? It mentions Hinamizawa as a boxed garden. I don't think there's any need to explain this (I mean, there are people who can explain it with more confidence than me, as I didn't start 'officially' reading Umineko yet. A peek doesn't count). I think the idea is that Rika wouldn't be able to leave Hinamizawa without another great effort - it actually makes me think she won't even be able to escape at all. But this is Gou, expectations are really low, it'll probably be handled poorly. It'll be releaved in the next or in 2 episodes how Rika was killed, after all, but at some point until some episodes (or arcs) ago I had the wild thought that she wasn't even killed in the first place, just pulled back into the game board of June '83. If anyone mentioned this before, sorry, I'm not accompanying the thread. Can't read every single post. |
rafaelfserafimFeb 15, 2021 7:43 PM
| Shes fully aware how mentally fragile Satoko is. |
rafaelfserafim said: (Even if very likely that it'll be worse, at least it'll not be another Matsuribayashi. If in fact it ends up at either Satoko hammered on the neck with a shard or Rika giving up and accepting suffering for all eternity, the ideal scenario is denied. I hate ideal worlds. This doesn't make Gou any better though. Just venting my disappointment with Matsuribayashi's VN, which I thought would be slighty better, but when I saw Rika grabbing that bullet, god, that was cringe. Haven't read Miotsukushi yet, no idea if I'll like it. But just being a more realistic scenario with active Takano rather than passive HS affected Takano leaves me a little optimistic. Yes, I didn't like the fact that Takano was literally dumbed down on Matsuri's june. 07th mods finishing up Miotsukushi and it will be available soon. You should read through it. This is why Miotsukishi exists. As it is a combination kakera like Matsuri problems from all those worlds are present, so they have to be solved too. Takano is much more cunning than in the other arcs. Killing certain people to throw suspicion on others and impeding Rika and Keichii. Ties up Keichiis personality well too. Keichii and Rika use their memories from past worlds to prevent their events. Putting everything in a nice bundle. The single problem with Mio is that it skips over Takanos backstory, but it does assume that you already played Matsuri. Kizuna version of it throws a curveball by Having Rika be pocessed by Hanyuu. Although with her melancholic personality in the past she was a badass so it makes sense for her to directly fight when shes serious. Her taking a bullet for Takano ties up their little arc better than how Matsuri did it. (Although its shown that she doesnt die) Ends with a nice epilogue. |
| Not one for the direction of this arc. Seems way too mundane imo. I dislike the school setting without Keiichi being there to entertain. |
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