| As the title says, which of these two lists is more accurate? |
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| Well, the manga top has One Piece, FMA, Monster and Slam Dunk. Great. But while I like Grand Blue and all, I don't see it up there. And friggin Berserks best days are long gone. |
FMmatronFeb 9, 2021 2:38 PM
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| Manga I'd say. You usually have to be at least slightly more engaged to read manga since it's a constant act as opposed to watching anime where you can just play it and do whatever during it. It's not a huge difference, but I'd say big enough that I'd lean more towards manga. Both top lists have stuff in them that are highly questionable. But the manga list I feel is much more understandable. It's not filled with stuff that is just popular and therefore has a good rating. Whilst the anime list is basically just a shounen popularity list. |
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| Top rated anime is shit unless until FMAB get out from the top one, hvnt read or watch beserk but until now nobody complaint it so much unless adaptation from 2016 or delay in release |
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| The manga top list is far more accurate. FMmatron said: Well, the manga top has One Piece, FMA, Monster and Slam Dunk. Great. But while I like Grand Blue and all, I don't see it up there. And friggin Berserks best days are long gone. How dare you not like Grand Blue as much as I, I'm about to go all AOT Fanboy on you.....  Jokes, let's make peace not war, here have a drink..............  |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
| JoJo part 7 is number 2 on MAL I haven’t read a worse manga in my life... That show is garbage and I’m not biased in that opinion. Straight up doesn’t have a single good thing going for it. (Vagabond should also be number 1 or 2) So I have to go with top anime lost even if I don’t want to. |
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| Manga because people manipulate anime scores for stupid ass reasons. |
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| Top anime is all over the place. And it has too much Gintama. Top manga is pretty neat, though, don't have any complaints. |
| The highest rated manga I like is Death Note, #30. The highest rated anime I like are Steins;Gate and Gintama, #3 and #4 respectively. Though I admittedly have yet to try many of the top ranked manga, the answer seems obvious. |
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| Top manga has much more variety and it's not cursed with having multiple placements of Gintama on it. |
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| I'd say manga ratings are even more broken than anime ones There are tons of great series' out there that don't have that many users scoring them, so troll and overall lower rated scores have more weight, which ends up bringing down the scores of them a lot. plus I've personally found the scores in manga to be pretty weird, more so than in anime. mangadex I honestly find has a better scoring for mangas |
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DeN11 said: Manga - There's less seasonal bias since the entire franchise (apart from a few) are compressed into one entry Yes, 100%. This alone is good enough of a reason. Sequels always gets inflated to the highest degree. And it gets more and more inflated for each season. Since with each subsequent season, more people who dislike it will drop it and the people who like it will stay. Thus increasing the score. This is the exact reason you have things like 2 different season of AoT in the top 10, while season 1 of AoT isn't even in the top 100. And if nothing else, it's just annoying. I don't need to see 50 different seasons of Gintama in the top list. |
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| @Short_Circut I think a big problem with manga scores is that they're like sequels, in that they're less popular. Famous manga have high scores because the only people reading them are hardcore fans. |
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Lucifrost said: @Short_Circut I think the biggest problem with manga scores is that they're like sequels, in that they're less popular. Famous manga have high scores because the only people reading them are hardcore fans. I'm a bit confused by this statement. I agree on the point that they are less popular. Which can lead to a more inaccurate result due to a smaller sample size. But how can you claim that the only people who read them are hardcore fans? You do know that most mangas comes out before the anime. Meaning a lot of people who read it aren't fans before starting it. There are for sure people who watched the anime and then read the manga afterwards. In which case they would be fans prior to reading it. But the opposite is also true. That they have read the manga before watching the anime. So that point doesn't even make sense. I'd love it for some elaboration. |
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JokerVentura said: The manga top list is far more accurate. FMmatron said: Well, the manga top has One Piece, FMA, Monster and Slam Dunk. Great. But while I like Grand Blue and all, I don't see it up there. And friggin Berserks best days are long gone. How dare you not like Grand Blue as much as I, I'm about to go all AOT Fanboy on you..... Jokes, let's make peace not war, here have a drink.............. I was close to bot GB to oblivion hehe But jokes on you, back in school I legit downed the juice like that |
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| I say manga but then again they have solo leveling at 8.89 |
| @Avicebrons You raise a good point. While I may have overlooked that, many manga do have higher scores than their respective adaptations. I believe it's because a greater variety of people watch anime. Some fans will watch anything new, giving low scores to whatever they dislike. I don't believe readers do that. Because readers are more selective, they encounter fewer manga they dislike. |
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FMmatron said: JokerVentura said: The manga top list is far more accurate. How dare you not like Grand Blue as much as I, I'm about to go all AOT Fanboy on you..... Jokes, let's make peace not war, here have a drink.............. I was close to bot GB to oblivion hehe But jokes on you, back in school I legit downed the juice like that I think at one time we all downed the juice like that, it was an important lesson that taught us not only how to be men, but also......... to never to do it again! And for those who failed the lesson.  |
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JokerVentura said: FMmatron said: I was close to bot GB to oblivion hehe But jokes on you, back in school I legit downed the juice like that I think at one time we all downed the juice like that, it was an important lesson that taught us not only how to be men, but also......... to never to do it again! And for those who failed the lesson. It took me 7 times and a fatty liver to learn my lesson |
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| Manga, of course. Berserk is the greatest thing ever made since anime boobies. |
Swagmandias said: Given how low SnK is on the manga list, I think it's safe to say the anime one is more accurate. But AoT is rated higher on manga than anime. AoT is rank 113 in anime form, but rank 41 on manga. Unless you're talking about the other seasons of AoT that are higher up in anime. Then I wouldn't exactly count those, since as mentioned previously in this thread. Sequels suffer greatly from sequel inflation, making their scores incredibly unreliable. |
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Swagmandias said: Avicebrons said: But AoT is rated higher on manga than anime. AoT is rank 113 in anime form, but rank 41 on manga. Unless you're talking about the other seasons of AoT that are higher up in anime. Then I wouldn't exactly count those, since as mentioned previously in this thread. Sequels suffer greatly from sequel inflation, making their scores incredibly unreliable. It's below Love is War and Haikyu. That just aint right lmao. And AoT's final season in anime is above Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu and Steins Gate lol. Both manga and anime top lists suffer. But sequel inflation is probably the greatest determent to the anime's top list. |
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DeN11 said: I don't want to write a whole paragraph explaining why the manga is more accurate so I am just gonna quote thisManga - There's far less score manipulation - I have enjoyed most of the top 100 rated Manga, unlike the anime - There's less seasonal bias since the entire franchise (apart from a few) are compressed into one entry |
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Swagmandias said: Avicebrons said: And AoT's final season in anime is above Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu and Steins Gate lol. Both manga and anime top lists suffer. But sequel inflation is probably the greatest determent to the anime's top list. I don't think it counts as sequel inflation if each subsequent season is legitimately just better than the previous one. Which in AoT's case holds true. Well that's another topic entirely. Cause even if like you say, each subsequent season is better (which in my opinion it isn't, but let's just say it is for the sake of argument). Then sequel inflation STILL happens, it's inevitable. It will happen regardless. Because if people disliked season 1, then they will most likely drop it. Even if season 2 is better. And the ones who like it, will most likely continue with it. So by the time you get to season 2, you have a much heavier sample of people who are in favor of rating it highly and even less people who are in favor of rating it lowly. And by season 3 even more. And then more and more and more. Until you get to a point where basically ONLY people who are diehard fans of the show will watch it and no one else. Meaning it will only be given 9s and 10s. While in manga form, it isn't separated. So the people who disliked it still are represented in terms of rating. While in anime, those people are filtered out by seasons. |
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ExcaliburAO said: I am also going to point out that manga and light novels are the source material which is usually the best version of the story. There is also the fact that a lot of people going to manga/light novels are people who have watched the anime and want to experience more, which means those people most likely like it.DeN11 said: I don't want to write a whole paragraph explaining why the manga is more accurate so I am just gonna quote thisManga - There's far less score manipulation - I have enjoyed most of the top 100 rated Manga, unlike the anime - There's less seasonal bias since the entire franchise (apart from a few) are compressed into one entry |
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Swagmandias said: Avicebrons said: Well that's another topic entirely. Cause even if like you say, each subsequent season is better (which in my opinion it isn't, but let's just say it is for the sake of argument). Then sequel inflation STILL happens, it's inevitable. It will happen regardless. Because if people disliked season 1, then they will most likely drop it. Even if season 2 is better. And the ones who like it, will most likely continue with it. So by the time you get to season 2, you have a much heavier sample of people who are in favor of rating it highly and even less people who are in favor of rating it lowly. And by season 3 even more. And then more and more and more. Until you get to a point where basically ONLY people who are diehard fans of the show will watch it and no one else. Meaning it will only be given 9s and 10s. I feel like that's just not entirely accurate though. Like don't get me wrong I agree with what you are saying, to an extent, but you are making it sound like every single person who is watching the final season is doing so with rose tinted goggles, which simply isn't the case. If a season fucks up, regardless of whether it's the first or the last season, odds are people will hate on it. Final Season of Game of Thrones being a prime example. It just seems like you are trying to pin it's success of subsequent seasons on "diehard fanboys" rather than the merit of the material itself. Then again given what you've scored the show, I can understand perhaps why you would do that. Swagmandias said: but you are making it sound like every single person who is watching the final season is doing so with rose tinted goggles No. And you might've missed my point if you believe that. There are still people who maybe don't like the show (such as myself) and still watches the final season. I'm not saying they don't exist. What I'm saying is that more and more people are being filtered out each season. First season has 1 700 000 users. Season 3 part 2 has 700 000 users. The final season has 250 000 users. The number is only decreasing, and it can't get any higher than the number of the first season. So it's obvious that people are being filtered out. Now who exactly do you believe are being filtered out? People who like the show or people who dislike the show? Obviously people who dislike the show. And what do you think happens with the score if we remove the majority of people who dislike it and keep the ones who likes it? Swagmandias said: If a season fucks up, regardless of whether it's the first or the last season, odds are people will hate on it. Final Season of Game of Thrones being a prime example. Yes for sure. I'm not denying that one tiny bit. Swagmandias said: It just seems like you are trying to pin it's success of subsequent seasons on "diehard fanboys" rather than the merit of the material itself. Then again given what you've scored the show, I can understand perhaps why you would do that. I am not trying to do that in any way. I'm merely talking about what I believe to be true. I can even show you examples of it being the same case for something I like. Like JoJo for instance. Just like you thought AoT got better with each season, I believe JoJo gets better each passing season, but I won't deny that sequel inflation happens. Its score gets better and better with each passing season. JoJo season 1 has a score of 8.06. Season 2 part 2 has a score of 8.45. And season 4 has a score of 8.61. It's basically EXACTLY what is happening with AoT. You can see the effect of sequel inflation in almost anything. Hell, Re:Zero Season 2 Part 2 has a score of 8.7 despite it having about the same quality as season 1 did, which got a score of 8.3. Or maybe any of these as examples:
I could go on and on. Here's an example comparing the stats between AoT's manga and the anime's last season. Here's the manga. Very smooth in transition between the stats. Nothing out of the ordinary really.  Here's the anime. EXTREMELY sharp cuts between the ratings.  |
AvicebronsFeb 9, 2021 8:18 PM
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| Manga lol. A lot of the top rated anime have a very large percentage of troll 1/10 ratings while for manga, Berserk is so far ahead that there is no need to do that. It has way less 1/10s so the scores are more accurate |
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| There are way too many unrated manga, even translated ones.. so I'd say anime list is way more accurate. |
| It's Manga since their are less vote brigading ratings there. |
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Tendo_GM said: JoJo part 7 is number 2 on MAL I haven’t read a worse manga in my life... That show is garbage and I’m not biased in that opinion. Straight up doesn’t have a single good thing going for it. (Vagabond should also be number 1 or 2) So I have to go with top anime lost even if I don’t want to. Why do you think Jojo is bad? It literally has one of the best power systems in anime ever plus parts 7, 4, 5, etc are all amazing in their own way as well. |
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| This thread implies there is a correct score for anime/manga which makes this whole thread invalid. But let's assume that there is a "correct" score. Manga is much more accurate because when was the last time someone botted manga scores lmao. |
| Manga List without a doubt, though there may be some overrated Manga like, Kaguya Sama and Solo Levelling, the Manga list still has a lot of great Manga in their tops like Berserk, Vagabond, Kingdom, One Piece, Monster and Oyasumi Punpun Though its a bit sad that Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu Novel is not there as it is easily the GOAT. |
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Not in the slightest whatsoever. Sequel inflation still happened for Psycho-Pass just like it happens for basically any show. But Psycho-Pass 2 was just such a massive disappointment. It feels like you as well completely missed the point on what sequel inflation even is if this is your response. It isn't an unwritten law that says "every sequel will have a higher score". There are for sure sequels with lower score. Problem is that they are much more rare because of what sequel inflation entails. If season 1 and season 2 has pretty much the exact same quality that would warrant them to stay on the same rating. Then sequel inflation makes it so that the second season gets an even higher rating. However, if season 2 have worse quality than season 1, then most likely, even with the help of sequel inflation, it will still get a worse score than season 1. And you can even see the score recover ever so slightly with Psycho-Pass S3. So again. Please re-read my statement and try to understand what sequel inflation actually entails. |
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SmashBlack said: Tendo_GM said: JoJo part 7 is number 2 on MAL I haven’t read a worse manga in my life... That show is garbage and I’m not biased in that opinion. Straight up doesn’t have a single good thing going for it. (Vagabond should also be number 1 or 2) So I have to go with top anime lost even if I don’t want to. Why do you think Jojo is bad? It literally has one of the best power systems in anime ever plus parts 7, 4, 5, etc are all amazing in their own way as well. It’s not the best power system... far from it. There is literally nothing special about the power system except that it’s extremely bizarre in a very bad way, like just describing JoJo powers it’s clear that they are from JoJo because how stupid they sound. “A guy who can spin his nails and shoot them like bullets and can only do it 10 times and has to drink tea to regain them and the holes he creates can move wherever he wishes” And there’s also “A guy who can throw balls and spin them to hit anything and that allows him to change the structural integrity of literally anything” Literally the worst powers and power system I have ever seen and that is not including the bullshit involved with the “golden rotation” which is so so retarded, literally everything connected to that Golden rotation BS is so stupid and nothing makes sense and nothing is explained. And there is not a single “amazing” JoJo thing out there because JoJo is just a dumb action fun with no depth and meaning behind anything. |
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Tendo_GM said: SmashBlack said: Why do you think Jojo is bad? It literally has one of the best power systems in anime ever plus parts 7, 4, 5, etc are all amazing in their own way as well. It’s not the best power system... far from it. There is literally nothing special about the power system except that it’s extremely bizarre in a very bad way, like just describing JoJo powers it’s clear that they are from JoJo because how stupid they sound. “A guy who can spin his nails and shoot them like bullets and can only do it 10 times and has to drink tea to regain them and the holes he creates can move wherever he wishes” And there’s also “A guy who can throw balls and spin them to hit anything and that allows him to change the structural integrity of literally anything” Literally the worst powers and power system I have ever seen and that is not including the bullshit involved with the “golden rotation” which is so so retarded, literally everything connected to that Golden rotation BS is so stupid and nothing makes sense and nothing is explained. And there is not a single “amazing” JoJo thing out there because JoJo is just a dumb action fun with no depth and meaning behind anything. Dude, Stands literally allow its user to do all sorts of different abilities like turn people into human magnets, send people to the world inside a mirror, put anything inside a piece of paper, etc which allows the series to make very creative and unique fights where the characters have to fight with strategy instead of pure strength. Plus, every single part in Jojo is literally different in their own way, so there should be at least 1 part in Jojo that you would like. But you're a part skipper, so I can kinda understand why you would not like part 7. |
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Avicebrons said: well, if most people playing the anime and then goes playing football, you are right.Manga I'd say. You usually have to be at least slightly more engaged to read manga since it's a constant act as opposed to watching anime where you can just play it and [b]do whatever during it[/b[. It's not a huge difference, but I'd say big enough that I'd lean more towards manga. Both top lists have stuff in them that are highly questionable. But the manga list I feel is much more understandable. It's not filled with stuff that is just popular and therefore has a good rating. Whilst the anime list is basically just a shounen popularity list. |
User-Name said: Avicebrons said: well, if most people playing the anime and then goes playing football, you are right.Manga I'd say. You usually have to be at least slightly more engaged to read manga since it's a constant act as opposed to watching anime where you can just play it and [b]do whatever during it[/b[. It's not a huge difference, but I'd say big enough that I'd lean more towards manga. Both top lists have stuff in them that are highly questionable. But the manga list I feel is much more understandable. It's not filled with stuff that is just popular and therefore has a good rating. Whilst the anime list is basically just a shounen popularity list. Think you misunderstood the point that was being made. The progress of anime will continue regardless of if you pay attention or not. Whilst the progress of manga is solely dependent on you progressing it yourself. |
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