katsucats said: I said causation is not correlation, which is true. And correlation is not causation. To be sure, the word "is" implies an if and only if relationship, which you could gleam from the context. Well I guess if that's what you mean sure, I don't think people would interpret that as an iff statement. Like if I said a cat is a mammal and a mammal is a cat, only one of those is right. |
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Cneq said: I think the most hilarious thing about modern feminists is that most of them actively get into violent relationships [which most happen to be with minorities, not sure why] and not only do they still spout their feminists agendas everywhere but while doing so they actively try to get back into said relationships with the same guys, like mate, perhaps instead of flouting some high ideals perhaps it'd be a good idea to get that stockholm syndrome looked at first by a psychiatrist lmao For example my moms friend/roommate has a daughter [34 year old daughter] and not only does she have three black kids from two different fathers [both in prison] but she literally met someone IN PRISON, who's still in prison, and that's who she's now seeing. That's THREE guys, THREE kids and every single father in prison. Like, man, if that isn't a serious psychological issue I don't know what is lmao Oh god this is so true. Like so fucking true. Not sure about real life but have you seen the media being produced these days? I recently saw this movie called After, not sure if you've heard of it, but it's disgusting. It's basically a girl who gets into a relationship with this dude who has anger management issues, BPD, depression, alcoholism, etc. and you should see the freaking comments and stuff about the movie, supporting it and saying they want to be in a relationship like that.. The book is ever worse, don't even ask. I've not read it but ik what it's about. The best part is when the author what questioned as to what she has to say about her work romanticising abuse, she said it doesn't because it's not. What a whole ass clown. anyways, the point I'm trying to make is you can call yourself a feminist all you want and then you go promoting these kind of relationships and toxicity - which is an indirect way of saying that it's a woman's job to make a man get better, to save him or whatever bullshit, and if she leaves him she's being a bitch because he's already broken. It's gross and disgusting🤢🤢 Kagami said: This is so spot on. Very rarely do I call somebody out. Very rarely. I returned to this forum in 2020. What are with these brutal takes? Especially against women. Another guy legitimately said "there is no such thing as a strong woman. Maybe I'll find a woman one day who is". I'm so lost. someone said that? They must have some serious brain damage if they did. That's like a girl saying "there is no such thing as a short man. Maybe I'll find a man one day who is". I find such people more funny than infuriating honestly. I mean what kind of sad, uneventful life with no friends did you have to go through to draw conclusions like that? 🤡🤡 Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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traed said: I forgot to include this in my previous post. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdfThe only thing that shows is that people are more likely to be killed by their own child or parent now. That's hardly an accomplishment. Its just a difference. Your own previous graph though shows that there's 3x as much rape now as there was in 1960. |
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Ryuk9428 said: traed said: I forgot to include this in my previous post. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdfThe only thing that shows is that people are more likely to be killed by their own child or parent now. That's hardly an accomplishment. Its just a difference. Your own previous graph though shows that there's 3x as much rape now as there was in 1960. Had you actually read my post you already would know rates would have been similar to the 1900s to 1940 as they are 1980s to 2010. Also rape laws have expanded over the years. It used to not be rape if the victim and offender were married for example. Also when it comes to sexual assault an increase in convictions does not necessarily mean an increase in sex crimes it often means increased reporting. |
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Matsu-ou said: By that standard, it sounds like every exploited sweat shop worker is living the dream life then. All they have to do is sew shoes and fucc the supervisor whenever he wants, and they get a roof over their heads.well feminists are not the brightest creatures. Imagine in the past all you had to do as a woman was to cook,clean and fucc with your husband and you would be taken care of financially and would have a roof over your head and be set for life. that sure sounds like a great deal to me. But apparently feminists have a mild case of penis envy and rather bust their ass off at the office or any other line of work than agree to traditional values. But noooo, human rights is such a stupid concept. |
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katsucats said: Matsu-ou said: By that standard, it sounds like every exploited sweat shop worker is living the dream life then. All they have to do is sew shoes and fucc the supervisor whenever he wants, and they get a roof over their heads.well feminists are not the brightest creatures. Imagine in the past all you had to do as a woman was to cook,clean and fucc with your husband and you would be taken care of financially and would have a roof over your head and be set for life. that sure sounds like a great deal to me. But apparently feminists have a mild case of penis envy and rather bust their ass off at the office or any other line of work than agree to traditional values. But noooo, human rights is such a stupid concept. If traditional relationships and values are comparable to job relationships to you, you are only proving my point. See if I remove that ''fucc'' from my comment your reply would make even less sense than it does now but my point would still stand that women literally had an easy pass on life and they ruined it themselves lol |
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Matsu-ou said: You read my post, but then deflect to hide behind a "traditional relationships" catchphrase because the truth is too hard to confront? But that's exactly what traditional relationships are to you: The woman does the easy stuff, cook meals, wash the floor, and fuck whenever the husband wants, and gets beat up once in a while. No biggie. At least she has a roof over her head. It doesn't feel that nice once it's spelled out, does it? It's exactly like that sweat shop worker, but it's sure comforting hiding all the problems behind a magical word so you don't have to think about it, especially if they're just women who can't decide their lives for themselves anyways.katsucats said: By that standard, it sounds like every exploited sweat shop worker is living the dream life then. All they have to do is sew shoes and fucc the supervisor whenever he wants, and they get a roof over their heads. But noooo, human rights is such a stupid concept. If traditional relationships and values are comparable to job relationships to you, you are only proving my point. See if I remove that ''fucc'' from my comment your reply would make even less sense than it does now but my point would still stand that women literally had an easy pass on life and they ruined it themselves lol The only point that just got proved was @wlr's point: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1874635 |
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katsucats said: Matsu-ou said: You read my post, but then deflect to hide behind a "traditional relationships" catchphrase because the truth is too hard to confront? But that's exactly what traditional relationships are to you: The woman does the easy stuff, cook meals, wash the floor, and fuck whenever the husband wants, and gets beat up once in a while. No biggie. At least she has a roof over her head. It doesn't feel that nice once it's spelled out, does it? It's exactly like that sweat shop worker, but it's sure comforting hiding all the problems behind a magical word so you don't have to think about it, especially if they're just women who can't decide their lives for themselves anyways.If traditional relationships and values are comparable to job relationships to you, you are only proving my point. See if I remove that ''fucc'' from my comment your reply would make even less sense than it does now but my point would still stand that women literally had an easy pass on life and they ruined it themselves lol The only point that just got proved was @wlr's point: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1874635 You read my post but all you do is virtue signal, bruh I really hope she messaged you lol. I will try to rephrase for you just in case you don't understand ; Now if I got a chance to quit my job and instead just be with my loved one and cook and clean the house while not even having to pay rent for it I would in a FLASH do just that and I think many many people would do the same. Why the fuck would I not? I already cook meals and clean my house and these things takes less than 4hours of my time a week. Feminists literally shat over their chance to live an easy life as women in exchange of working their ass off LOL to me that is incredibly stupid. I'm not fighting against women working,sure the incompetence of some really shows sometimes but I couldn't care less if it does not affect me directly, you want to work your ass off at a job 8-12hours a day instead of having a cushy life at home? Sure knock yourself out. But you can't argue that it is not stupid. |
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Matsu-ou said: Do you even know what virtue signaling is?katsucats said: You read my post, but then deflect to hide behind a "traditional relationships" catchphrase because the truth is too hard to confront? But that's exactly what traditional relationships are to you: The woman does the easy stuff, cook meals, wash the floor, and fuck whenever the husband wants, and gets beat up once in a while. No biggie. At least she has a roof over her head. It doesn't feel that nice once it's spelled out, does it? It's exactly like that sweat shop worker, but it's sure comforting hiding all the problems behind a magical word so you don't have to think about it, especially if they're just women who can't decide their lives for themselves anyways. The only point that just got proved was @wlr's point: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1874635 You read my post but all you do is virtue signal, bruh I really hope she messaged you lol. Matsu-ou said: I'm going to stop you right here because the mere fact that you said "If I got the chance" proves the very difference you're not getting. Women in the 1950s didn't have the chance, they didn't have the choice. It's one thing to be able to choose to do something, it's another to be forced to do something.I will try to rephrase for you just in case you don't understand ; Now if I got a chance to quit my job and instead just be with my loved one and cook and clean the house while not even having to pay rent for it I would in a FLASH do just that and I think many many people would do the same. Why the fuck would I not? But you're going to continue to call speaking out against what is essentially domestic slavery "stupid". You still cannot deny that's what you're suggesting. That's why you're trying your darnedest to ignore all my points just to reiterate a rosy picture of keeping your dog in a cage. Disgusting. |
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katsucats said: Matsu-ou said: Do you even know what virtue signaling is?You read my post but all you do is virtue signal, bruh I really hope she messaged you lol. Matsu-ou said: I'm going to stop you right here because the mere fact that you said "If I got the chance" proves the very difference you're not getting. Women in the 1950s didn't have the chance, they didn't have the choice. It's one thing to be able to choose to do something, it's another to be forced to do something.I will try to rephrase for you just in case you don't understand ; Now if I got a chance to quit my job and instead just be with my loved one and cook and clean the house while not even having to pay rent for it I would in a FLASH do just that and I think many many people would do the same. Why the fuck would I not? But you're going to continue to call speaking out against what is essentially domestic slavery "stupid". You still cannot deny that's what you're suggesting. That's why you're trying your darnedest to ignore all my points just to reiterate a rosy picture of keeping your dog in a cage. Disgusting. I guess rational thinking is not your forte if you really think working is a better deal than sitting your ass at home enjoying your free time. Anyway https://i.redd.it/7we92goqunr21.jpg |
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Matsu-ou said: Nice dodge. Make an ad hominem about rational thinking and how the other guy can't get laid, and then proceed to ignore every point made. How did I know it would come to this?katsucats said: Do you even know what virtue signaling is? I'm going to stop you right here because the mere fact that you said "If I got the chance" proves the very difference you're not getting. Women in the 1950s didn't have the chance, they didn't have the choice. It's one thing to be able to choose to do something, it's another to be forced to do something. But you're going to continue to call speaking out against what is essentially domestic slavery "stupid". You still cannot deny that's what you're suggesting. That's why you're trying your darnedest to ignore all my points just to reiterate a rosy picture of keeping your dog in a cage. Disgusting. I guess rational thinking is not your forte if you really think working is a better deal than sitting your ass at home enjoying your free time. Anyway https://i.redd.it/7we92goqunr21.jpg |
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Kosmonaut said: Only the blonde and blue-eyed ones shall be given the opportunity.Luchse said: Will females have a place in the coming storm? Please, Luchse-sama, give them Hugo Boss uniforms. Typical sh*t slinging contest. MAL dear, please never change. |
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Luchse said: That's why the communist revolution is better. They promised me antifa cat girls with baseball bats smashing things. Kosmonaut said: Only the blonde and blue-eyed ones shall be given the opportunity.Will females have a place in the coming storm? Please, Luchse-sama, give them Hugo Boss uniforms. |
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katsucats said: Matsu-ou said: Nice dodge. Make an ad hominem about rational thinking and how the other guy can't get laid, and then proceed to ignore every point made. How did I know it would come to this?I guess rational thinking is not your forte if you really think working is a better deal than sitting your ass at home enjoying your free time. Anyway https://i.redd.it/7we92goqunr21.jpg You did not make any points,you just blabber about domestic slavery which is complete nonsense because there still are to this day some smart women who make use of this traditional arrangement and never see a day of hard work in their life after they find a guy who would also see to these values. Feminism is a failed ideology/movement which is based on putting yourself out as a victim in every possible situation and fighting imaginary wars against imaginary oppression. I see you are a male and stand up against feminism which tells me that you are a person beyond saving , so if you do not have some hard points or evidence that feminism is not useless cancer then do not reply and thanks for your time |
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Matsu-ou said: katsucats said: Nice dodge. Make an ad hominem about rational thinking and how the other guy can't get laid, and then proceed to ignore every point made. How did I know it would come to this? You did not make any points,you just blabber about domestic slavery which is complete nonsense because there still are to this day some smart women who make use of this traditional arrangement and never see a day of hard work in their life after they find a guy who would also see to these values. Feminism is a failed ideology/movement which is based on putting yourself out as a victim in every possible situation and fighting imaginary wars against imaginary oppression. I see you are a male and stand up against feminism which tells me that you are a person beyond saving , so if you do not have some hard points or evidence that feminism is not useless cancer then do not reply and thanks for your time Is it so hard to understand some humans prefer freedom and possibility over some mildly comfortable stagnation to be railroaded into? Is it so hard to understand some humans wish to make something of themselves instead of just merely surviving 'til they rot away? Guess it is... |
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Many forms of it was common and culturally accepted behavior. ‘The periods of violent behavior by the husband,’ the doctors observed, ‘served to release him momentarily from his anxiety about his ineffectiveness as a man, while giving his wife apparent masochistic gratification and helping probably to deal with the guilt arising from the intense hostility expressed in her controlling, castrating behavior.’ - https://time.com/3426225/domestic-violence-therapy/ Though i doubt time article is enough for your types, even if it has scientific article sited, so lets go for one more, with few more specif, regional examples. From university of Pittsburgh: "New York domestic violence cases are transferred from criminal court to civil court, where only civil procedures apply. The husband never faces as harsh penalties as he would suffer if he was found guilty in criminal court for assaulting a stranger. (1962)" "Beating as cruel and inhumane treatment, becomes grounds for divorce in New York, but the plaintiff must establish that a sufficient number of beatings have taken place. (1966)" Until like 80s tbh domestic violence was not looked upon as serious crime, unless there was like really severe beating that could be life threatening. Also more people where religious, and that life style has been made marriage an allowance to threat woman in relationship as shit and keep them from doing anything. High reported stuff is not always bad even. This is like the famous sweeden rape stat that right wingers cry about even though they have way more expansive definition of what counts as rape as well as different counting measures. Also always f-in source your graph other wise you like like you hiding something, though probably even places you took them from talk about domestic violence being not reported and culturally normal. |
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HyperL said: Matsu-ou said: You did not make any points,you just blabber about domestic slavery which is complete nonsense because there still are to this day some smart women who make use of this traditional arrangement and never see a day of hard work in their life after they find a guy who would also see to these values. Feminism is a failed ideology/movement which is based on putting yourself out as a victim in every possible situation and fighting imaginary wars against imaginary oppression. I see you are a male and stand up against feminism which tells me that you are a person beyond saving , so if you do not have some hard points or evidence that feminism is not useless cancer then do not reply and thanks for your time Is it so hard to understand some humans prefer freedom and possibility over some mildly comfortable stagnation to be railroaded into? Is it so hard to understand some humans wish to make something of themselves instead of just merely surviving 'til they rot away? Guess it is... Surely there is way more freedom in staying home and having nearly unlimited choices of activities to spend time on than trading that time for a paycheck and sweating your ass off at work so that in the end you could afford the same shit you could have WITHOUT working??? |
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Ryuk9428 said: katsucats said: What's your point? You posted a bunch of loosely related graphs and then drew unfounded connections between them. Causation is not correlation. Traditional morality and lifestyles keep men in line. The fundamental breakdown of gender roles has increased domestic violence, it has not reduced it. Also you need more than out of context graph that are not showing what you want them to show to make such a ridiculous point, arguments don't work like that. |
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Bob-o-Dominador said: Most people don't know how to "read" graphs: A case study. True that and this is sad, people think they can get causation from correlation or that reported means factually happened. |
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Matsu-ou said: HyperL said: Is it so hard to understand some humans prefer freedom and possibility over some mildly comfortable stagnation to be railroaded into? Is it so hard to understand some humans wish to make something of themselves instead of just merely surviving 'til they rot away? Guess it is... Surely there is way more freedom in staying home and having nearly unlimited choices of activities to spend time on than trading that time for a paycheck and sweating your ass off at work so that in the end you could afford the same shit you could have WITHOUT working??? You're making some big assumptions about how much the average family man makes A.K.A not a lot. And in the end the woman still has to play house service. And why should males have to bear this burden anyway? |
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HyperL said: Matsu-ou said: Surely there is way more freedom in staying home and having nearly unlimited choices of activities to spend time on than trading that time for a paycheck and sweating your ass off at work so that in the end you could afford the same shit you could have WITHOUT working??? You're making some big assumptions about how much the average family man makes A.K.A not a lot. And in the end the woman still has to play house service. And why should males have to bear this burden anyway? So you are implying that it's insanely hard to clean the house and cook in exchange of having everything else taken care of ? Or is it beneath women such lowly activities now? Listen I repeat this again I do all that and work 45-55hours a week and if I had a chance not to work and just cook and clean you bet my ass I would so it blows my mind that feminists actually fought to lose ACTUAL privilege they had. |
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Matsu-ou said: HyperL said: You're making some big assumptions about how much the average family man makes A.K.A not a lot. And in the end the woman still has to play house service. And why should males have to bear this burden anyway? So you are implying that it's insanely hard to clean the house and cook in exchange of having everything else taken care of ? Or is it beneath women such lowly activities now? Listen I repeat this again I do all that and work 45-55hours a week and if I had a chance not to work and just cook and clean you bet my ass I would so it blows my mind that feminists actually fought to lose ACTUAL privilege they had. This is really depends on the case and relationship you have. Of course the woman needs to put in work as well. If she's lazy and sitting on her ass all day, she's probably just leeching off you. Any normal functioning relationship would come to agreements and terms together. |
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Matsu-ou said: HyperL said: You're making some big assumptions about how much the average family man makes A.K.A not a lot. And in the end the woman still has to play house service. And why should males have to bear this burden anyway? So you are implying that it's insanely hard to clean the house and cook in exchange of having everything else taken care of ? Or is it beneath women such lowly activities now? Listen I repeat this again I do all that and work 45-55hours a week and if I had a chance not to work and just cook and clean you bet my ass I would so it blows my mind that feminists actually fought to lose ACTUAL privilege they had. Well now, it's almost like people are different and value different things, isn't it? More importantly, they didn't lose anything, they only gained more options. If they want to be some stud's housewife they can still do that. |
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| Crap data, crap analysis, crap thread... but to poke one more hole in OP's premise, who ever said that empowering women would necessarily reduce violence against them? The whole concept of misogyny is about people (usually, but not always men) lashing out at women for not conforming to their traditional gender roles. This is an extreme analogy, but what you're saying is like, "A lot of black people died in the fight against slavery, therefore it failed, lmao get rekt libs." |
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| If I ever find a woman I want to spend the rest of my life with, the relationship is going to need to be a 50-50 split of effort. Lazy slobs are not attractive no matter the gender. I never really bought into gender roles though. Like... "the guy should work" and "the woman should clean". How about instead of looking at gender roles, figure it out together? Maybe some days she cooks and maybe some days I do? It doesn't need to be predetermined from the start on what our roles are. We can have fun with it. |
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HyperL said: Matsu-ou said: So you are implying that it's insanely hard to clean the house and cook in exchange of having everything else taken care of ? Or is it beneath women such lowly activities now? Listen I repeat this again I do all that and work 45-55hours a week and if I had a chance not to work and just cook and clean you bet my ass I would so it blows my mind that feminists actually fought to lose ACTUAL privilege they had. Well now, it's almost like people are different and value different things, isn't it? More importantly, they didn't lose anything, they only gained more options. If they want to be some stud's housewife they can still do that. Wouldn't say that for sure, yes I agree that is still definitely possible BUT many guys are realizing that why be a sole breadwinner when your girl can break her back at work too now? Which get us to my point that feminism is stupid and decision to fight trad gender roles was the same as shooting yourself in the foot. |
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katsucats said: What's your point? You posted a bunch of loosely related graphs and then drew unfounded connections between them. Causation is not correlation. He doesn't understand that. Here is what he thinks:  |
XBlckCrowX150 said: katsucats said: What's your point? You posted a bunch of loosely related graphs and then drew unfounded connections between them. Causation is not correlation. He doesn't understand that. Here is what he thinks: His common sense is telling a 13 year old kid that if a woman ever notices him and wants to be in a relationship, he should throw away all standards and be her boyfriend because if he doesn't date the first girl that wants to be in a relationship, he risks being single for life. His common sense is also blaming women for his current problems with being single. He literally said: "who else can be blamed but women"?. His common sense is also claiming the election is rigged while providing misinformation. More proof of his ignorance in information collecting was the graph in this thread that was successfully debunked and showed he didn't research before posting said graph. Common sense means nothing anymore. |
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Matsu-ou said: HyperL said: Well now, it's almost like people are different and value different things, isn't it? More importantly, they didn't lose anything, they only gained more options. If they want to be some stud's housewife they can still do that. Wouldn't say that for sure, yes I agree that is still definitely possible BUT many guys are realizing that why be a sole breadwinner when your girl can break her back at work too now? Which get us to my point that feminism is stupid and decision to fight trad gender roles was the same as shooting yourself in the foot. On the contrary, making thing more equal for everybody was why feminism was first born to begin with. That man are realizing they don't need to be work-slaves is a good thing. You would do well to realize that for yourself too. The only perspective where that's shooting oneself in the foot is the one where you're a selfish ass who's fine with putting others through hell for your own comfort. |
HyperLNov 6, 2020 5:51 PM
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| Imagine getting mad that women are people that have free will and make good and bad decisions and can be manipulated and abused like men can be too. I’d rather die than be a housewife to some asshole who forces me to have sex whenever HE wants it. Lol. Women were not created to keep men in check or make themselves small to make sure men wouldn’t beat them within inches of death. Blaming domestic violence statistics on the women who find themselves in those situations because they didn’t “cater to their husband in they way they should have because traditional values prevent this sorta thing.” Is the most ridiculous argument I’ve ever heard. You’re just proving that a lot of men don’t like it when women choose their own path. |
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| You do know that women worked throughout history right? because they had ambitions and aspirations in life too -- just that their rights were pretty much bollocks back then. Those Housewives you were referring to were Middle to Upper class women who just stayed at home because of the meager pay they receive compared to men. Lower class women worked slave-labor and much harder than men, which imbalanced things because most employers just hired cheap workers, making most of the poor and hard work fall in their hands. Nowadays, the pay are pretty much equal, and there are lots of job opportunities for women especially with technological advancement. tl;dr: women always wanted to work, but things wasn't just favorable for them back then. |
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Matsu-ou said: HyperL said: You're making some big assumptions about how much the average family man makes A.K.A not a lot. And in the end the woman still has to play house service. And why should males have to bear this burden anyway? So you are implying that it's insanely hard to clean the house and cook in exchange of having everything else taken care of ? Or is it beneath women such lowly activities now? Listen I repeat this again I do all that and work 45-55hours a week and if I had a chance not to work and just cook and clean you bet my ass I would so it blows my mind that feminists actually fought to lose ACTUAL privilege they had. You do realise that not everyone works for money right? Like I get what you're saying, women might have it a bit easy like that, but you're just generalising and saying that all women want that? Jobs give us money, but some of us want to work because we want to work dude. Because we want to save lives by being a doctor, or because we want to paint or work as a software engineer. If you want you can go and cook and clean bro but I'm pretty sure if men were forced to do this their entire lives they would speak up. |
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OtakuCakes said: Matsu-ou said: So you are implying that it's insanely hard to clean the house and cook in exchange of having everything else taken care of ? Or is it beneath women such lowly activities now? Listen I repeat this again I do all that and work 45-55hours a week and if I had a chance not to work and just cook and clean you bet my ass I would so it blows my mind that feminists actually fought to lose ACTUAL privilege they had. You do realise that not everyone works for money right? Like I get what you're saying, women might have it a bit easy like that, but you're just generalising and saying that all women want that? Jobs give us money, but some of us want to work because we want to work dude. Because we want to save lives by being a doctor, or because we want to paint or work as a software engineer. If you want you can go and cook and clean bro but I'm pretty sure if men were forced to do this their entire lives they would speak up. Said it earlier, but I think gender roles are atrocious and they exist for men too. I never understood the whole cooking thing either. I kinda like the idea of taking it day by day. Some days she can cook. Some days I can cook. Some days we go out to eat. We're not romantically involved, just talking when we see each other but a woman broke the norm and said hi to me first recently. I like stuff like that. |
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Kagami said: OtakuCakes said: You do realise that not everyone works for money right? Like I get what you're saying, women might have it a bit easy like that, but you're just generalising and saying that all women want that? Jobs give us money, but some of us want to work because we want to work dude. Because we want to save lives by being a doctor, or because we want to paint or work as a software engineer. If you want you can go and cook and clean bro but I'm pretty sure if men were forced to do this their entire lives they would speak up. Said it earlier, but I think gender roles are atrocious and they exist for men too. I never understood the whole cooking thing either. I kinda like the idea of taking it day by day. Some days she can cook. Some days I can cook. Some days we go out to eat. We're not romantically involved, just talking when we see each other but a woman broke the norm and said hi to me first recently. I like stuff like that. Exactly. I love cooking, and I'm a girl. But if my bf wants to cook too I honestly don't care...? I'm a very messy person anyways and if he's better at cleaning (which almost everyone I've met is) than he can clean? I can do laundry or something. It's not really rocket science There's nothing wrong with wanting to have traditional gender roles man, but don't force it on others. I don't give a fuck if u want to stay at home and cook or break your back working 12813479 hrs a week to make money. It's your life live how you want it. But stop forcing your ideals on others and trying to validate it. It's stupid and has no point whatsoever. OP or whoever the dude is you can say feminists are stupid and cancer or what not but the change they're getting into society not only benefits women, but also men. They might have a few negative sides, sure, but ever movement does. But you're the one saying that women had it easy before, and now when you're striving to a society which helps both men and women, you say it's foolish and dumb. Mod Edit: Removed some parts of the post |
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