| Not to mention that tons of anime released even nowadays aren't even true 1080p, going to 4k seems like a stretch. |
| Unless animators are going to get paid more then I dont see it happening very soon. Studios will need alot more budget and more time will be needed to animate stuff.(Yes I know Im just saying the same stuff that has probably been said a 1000 times but its the truth). Only time we'll see 4k is for big budget movies and then some would argue that its not even "real 4k" or some nonsense.If you really want 4k then its better to just let your display upscale it to that resolution or install something like madvr on your computer to do it for you. |
| I doubt 4k will change much things about anime, but it will look less blurry. I still need to get a 4k tv tbh. |
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| Next gen graphics cards should resolve the issues with fps in 4K gaming, tbh the current best there is already does a pretty good job ngl but ye like deg's post mentioned creating a 4k anime by hand would be overload in terms of work and budget lol. Also, 4K may not have super demanding requirements to video play it, but it still needs pretty beefy specs to actually render in it, even more so with ~24 minute anime episodes. But if anime eventually ever does end up being in 4K, it would definitely work with the more visual shows like Ancient Magus Bride or Violet Evergarden for instance (I can imagine those shows would look amazing) |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| I got a hold of a 4k copy of my favorite anime movie and watched it (my widescreen is UHD-capable). The difference in picture quality wasn't really noticeable compared to my 1080p (Blu-ray) copy. At a few points where the image was particularly detailed I could tell a little, but on the whole it was too little too infrequent to justify the much larger file size. By contrast, the difference between DVD or 720p and 1080p was very noticeable. |
A møøse once bit my sister... |
| Personally I'm not even entirely sure it would make a noticeable difference. At least to me it probably wouldn't. |
| I am more interested in making anime in HDR/Dolby vision! the increase of color bandwidth would make animes even more colorful! I already love watching anime on my OLED tv, it is quite the experience. the only anime that I found in 4k/HDR was the movie weathering with you, and my god was it the best looking anime I have ever seen on an OLED with bluray quality it was so crisp. |
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| Last I checked, most streaming sites couldn't even be bothered to be consistent with 1080p clarity. Even if the animation studios were ready for 4K, the streaming sites aren't, and that's where much of the growth in anime viewership is occurring. |
| Idk if most people know this but the majority of anime is actually drawn at 720p or lower They don't even make anime in 1080p, they just upscale the image As far as 2160p I don't know if we'll see that ever take off for 2D animation. For 3DCG anime it's an obvious choice in the near future, and I could see old cel anime on film being sold on those 4k Blurays but I don't think it's gonna happen with modern 2D stuff. Most anime is already on a paper thin budget as it is just doing 720p or under |
| It depends what resolution the anime was produced in. I'd like to see the upscaled encode result and think for myself about it. I have a 1080p television, so I'll download most anime in 1080p, sometimes 720p. Some anime, like One Piece in Wano (since episode 892-) looks awful in 720p since it is produced in 900p. I can't find out every anime that is produced in every quality, but whatever feels right with me is what goes. I kinda wanna see 480p anime in 1920 x 1440p resolution. @TK8878 I liked how on-point this was! |
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| But my favorite shows are in 480p... |
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| well, i wouldn't ever watch anime in that quality because of my third world internet, i don't even have a 4k tv/monitor lol, so, i dont know, i would like to see 60fps anime rather than 4k anime. |
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SecretWeeb3019 said: The furthest I can see this go is maybe really high production anime movies and maybe AI upscaling? weathering with you is in 4k/HDR it is the highest quality anime I have seen, probably because it is a movie but I have not seen any other anime movies follow its example as of yet. |
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Cloude said: weathering with you is in 4k/HDR it is the highest quality anime I have seen, probably because it is a movie but I have not seen any other anime movies follow its example as of yet. IMDB says for Tenki no ko in its technical specifications Cinematographic Process: Digital Intermediate (2K) (master format) |
alshuJul 20, 2020 12:48 AM
| @ChartTopper60 Thanks for letting me know :) MatAranda said: i would like to see 60fps anime rather than 4k anime. Same here. Most anime don't ever go to just 30fps, 60fps would be insanely smooth. It would be way more expensive to make though. |
| Only anime made natively in 4K is Sol Levante. Everything else are upscales. While Sol Levante was an interesting experimental project, it proved that the techniques and technology have still a long way to go. It's extremely difficult to make one right now. It's only 3 minute short and it took more than 2 years to make. Maybe one day in the future 4K HDR anime becomes standard when technology improves and new techniques are developed. Until then we are stuck with upscales. deg said: just gonna leave this here https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/d21rm4/new_netflix_x_production_ig_handdrawn_4k_hdr/ New Netflix x Production IG Hand-drawn 4K HDR anime project faces criticisms from animators for possible insane workload on 720P quality budget Noriyuki Fukuda: "This is insane. One can get to 4K resolution with computer graphics and proper digital techniques, but to hand draw it? Even when one uses CG et al. for assistance, the workload and unique characteristics would mean that those animators and staff that work on this have to be paid more. I cannot approve of such a project without any clear promise of a systematic better treatment for animators and related staff." Kei Masaki: "Hmm...if 4K production becomes standard, all current computers and tools currently used for production have to be replaced. Even those computers that can render 4K animation projects costs something like ¥50 million some time ago. What would those working on projects think of this cost?" "There's much much more than just expanding the screen when making a 4K HDR animation like them. More space appears for details would need to be filled in, animated and colored, and if this isn't done there's no justification for going 4K. I fear that many of the producers would simply think that upsizing the screen is enough, and that's a recipe for disaster." they might as well just use Waifu2x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waifu2x Ehh... Don't think those animators knew enough about the project when they made these comments. Sol Levante was always meant to be an experimental short, not a full-fledged anime that would try to replace regular anime. It was made by a very small team of IG veterans who have been trying and figuring out how to make 4K anime for years now and now there were able to try when they got Netflix funding. Plus everything was made digitally, there were no papers involved in its production at all. When animating digitally canvas size isn't a problem. The biggest challenges were actually in post-production. |
deg said: Tsarko said: Ehh... Don't think those animators knew enough about the project when they made these comments. Sol Levante was always meant to be an experimental short, not a full-fledged anime that would try to replace regular anime. It was made by a very small team of IG veterans who have been trying and figuring out how to make 4K anime for years now and now there were able to try when they got Netflix funding. Plus everything was made digitally, there were no papers involved in its production at all. When animating digitally canvas size isn't a problem. The biggest challenges were actually in post-production. all digitally drawn? so do you mean they use or do vector art then? if so i can see why resolution upscaling is not a problem there Yeah, everything was done digitally. They mention how there was no paper involved in the production. In the blog post about they said that when doing digitally canvas size isn't a concern. Don't think they went into more detail about that particular thing so I can't answer. |
deg said: but ye being vector graphics you still cannot escape looking like those flat art style or flat design Check what you can do with Photoshop (even 10-15 year old version) with bezier vectors ("Paths") and automatically tracing them with "Brushes" (they are customisable you can make libraries from them or even buy such libraries). This tracing can have different modes and effects. You can achieve pretty realistic stuff and it can be also scalable. I guess you will need some customised software (which would be expensive and will need more computer power) to make this suitable for animation and incorporable in 3D but it's theoretically possible. |
deg said: with gradient mesh tool for example And in my example it's a combination of raster samples and vectors. The result is very realistic (you can simulate the dent from the pencil or the stroke of the blush drying out) deg said: but its very time consuming Not if they develop some software tool with better organization and the animators learn to use it properly deg said: though there is an ongoing research for more easier photorealism shading on vectors called diffusion curves but its gonna take a long while to become mainstream This is more on the automatic and self-learning script part of the things. |
deg said: automated script? then might as well leave it to AI like machine learning right now have Waifu2x that is readily available already and its open source too I was serious and you are joking. Whatever. |
| 4K makes limited sense in the context of cartoon and anime visual content. 4K shines when you want to make sure to see each pore and pimple on the face of a real actor in closeup. Or when you have elaborate CGI models which have the respective grade of detail. But there is no such detail in anime to start with. When the 4:3 -> 16:9 upgrade took place, animators and background painters needed to deliver more illustrated/colored area per frame. That already increased production cost. Higher resolution requires drawing higher detail to make it look good. Given anime is a lot about cost saving by simplifying parts of the animation, this is nothing anybody really wants or needs in the industry. 4K makes sense in that your local TV can use it to interpolate anime's 720p to more pixels, which is mathematically easy for relatively simple images like in anime drawings. Anime with native 4K makes only sense if that degree of detail is actually available at the production side, which is only the case when you have elaborate 3DCGI. Those will eventually become 4K, hand drawn and standard animation, probably never. |
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| I don't really want it or need it, I barely even watch most stuff in 1080p because aside from movies or some remasters stuff is still being produced in 720p anyway and upscales are pointless as far as I'm concerned. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
deg said: dude im serious have you never heard of Waifu2x? here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waifu2x Will never click on a link that leads to your waifu. Ewww. |
| The only content that will greatly benefit from 4k are high quality OVAs and movies. Of which, there honestly aren't very many great ones in existence. The most impressive 4k anime releases I've seen thus far are for older movies - Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Ghost in the Shell 2 Innocence, and Char's Counterattack. Haven't gotten my hands on the 4k release of The Castle of Cagliostro, but I imagine that looks fantastic as well. I'm sure any Miyazaki or Ghibli work is going to be among the most desired right now for a 4k release. So to answer your main question, no, 4k wouldn't change much. You won't see too many people getting excited over 4k anime. |
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| I honestly don't give a crap about this SD/HD/4k stuff. But I grew up watching things on terrible grainy degradable VHS tapes though so I'm fine as long as it's not that and at least DVD quality. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| I imagine I'm not ready, since my desktop PC monitor is a mere 1600x900 and my TV is just 1366x768. But those are intentional choices, or at least keeping them at this point is a choice. If I went to higher-res displays, the DVDs in my disc collection and SD downloaded files would look considerably worse, and it would take a lot of time, bandwidth, and money (for discs and additional hard drive space) to upgrade/replace all of that. So I don't even get 1080p unless it's the only choice around; 720p is enough for anything, and lower resolutions still look acceptable. I'm fine with the tradeoff of losing out on a few high-end details to keep older anime and SD discs/files viable. inim said: When the 4:3 -> 16:9 upgrade took place, animators and background painters needed to deliver more illustrated/colored area per frame. That already increased production cost. Higher resolution requires drawing higher detail to make it look good. Given anime is a lot about cost saving by simplifying parts of the animation, this is nothing anybody really wants or needs in the industry. It helped that there wasn't any one moment when that transition occurred; it took place over a period of 8 years from 1999 to 2007. And in fact, some of the earliest 16:9 anime were lower resolution than their 4:3 contemporaries -- shows like Betterman, Vandread, SaiKano, and Zaion were presented as letterboxed, meaning that the effective resolution of the actual video was more like 360p-400p, rather than 480p. But yeah, going to 4K would require a lot more manpower, computing power, and financial resources in general. |
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