Vinland Saga
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Aug 14, 2019 6:36 PM
#251
vhagar8 said: HopefulNihilist said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Chrawnus said: JakkoFourEyes said: TolkienFan365 said: Also he is following them because if he leaves likely he will never find Askeladd again. He doesn't really have much of a way home at this point either. He wants to kill him in an honorable duel similar to justify what his father did. Lol there's absolutely nothing honourable about what he's currently doing. The duel won't be very honourable if he got there by helping Askeladd and his men kill and rape entire villages. He can stay with them all he wants, but actually helping them is an entirely different thing. I get that he's blinded by revenge, but this is really extreme. It's not about what's honourable to you, it's about what's honourable in Viking culture. Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. They have no problem with killing people in their sleep per say, its just that they must prove they are better fighters than their rivals to earn a spot in valhalla, soo killing a rival in their sleep would be seen as cowardly because that would mean they fear their riva and thus would NEVER win respect by doing that, not because 'its wrong to kill people when they cant defend themselves'. As for the vilagers? They are just weaklings, a means to make a proffit seeling slaves and pillaging all they have. That dosent mean vikings are stupid either, if they can outsmart their enemies they will do it, a commander dosent want to lose soldiers needlessly even if they are vikings, soo murdering all the villagers before they have a chance to flee and call reinforcements from another garison is just the natural move. Mmmmm ok, if that's what they're going for in this anime, it's really poorly derivered imo, but at least I guess I can see a little bit where they're coming from now, thanks. It's not poorly delivered at all. You have to have some basic sense of what Vikings are and what their culture is. They shouldn't have to hold your hands. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Killing a warrior in his sleep = dishonorable Killing a warrior in a duel = honorable Pillaging and raiding = common place You have convoluted completely separate issues because you are projecting YOUR moral values on to THEM. You CAN NOT do that when watching ANY historical work. EVER. Otherwise you will end up confused and it honestly comes off as ignorant as well. You shouldn't be required to have any sort of previous knowledge to watch an anime. And c'mon are u seriosly saying I'm the one projecting my moral values on em? Isn't the anime fucking concept to project our values in the vikings society? Anyway, none of these "warriors' code" values or whatever is mentioned in the anime. Never is mentioned that thorfinn is following them to earn a spot in valhalla or whatever. The only reason presented in the anime as to why thorfinn is following them is to get revenge, which to me, it's a fucking dumb reason. That's everything the anime tells us and that's what I'm sticking to, if there were other reasons the author forgot to mention, it's his bad. And that's why I said it's poorly delivered. It's common knowledge. Like, elementary. Even still, Valhalla was explained when Thorfinn was play fighting and he was the first one to die. He talked about it to his friend who also "died" in the game. The anime concept isn't to "project" our values in Viking's society. As far as I can tell, it's a message about the horrors of war and how it twists innocent people and forces people to join in on needless conflict. Earning a spot in Valhalla has literally nothing to do with why Thorfinn wants to kill Askeladd. Thorfinn wants to avenge his father's death by killing Askeladd in an honorable duel BECAUSE Askeladd killed his father DISHONORABLY. It's literally spelled out for you in the 5th episode. Wanting revenge is not a dumb reason. He was raised in an environment where people CONSTANTLY avenge the deaths of their comrades, let alone their fathers. The author covered all of his bases so far. I don't understand why you're so confused. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really don't understand how you can't follow 6 episodes worth of prologue. The information given isn't hard to grasp either, it's literally said overtly. Maybe you need to rewatch all of the episodes again. The fact that Thorfinn cares more about getting his revenge HONORABLY than actually getting his revenge is what is fucking dumb. If he really cared about avenging his father he'd do it in every way possible. He's willing to go as far as; serve the man who killed his father, help him raiding villages, rejecting his father teachings and start killing people, wait decades to get get his revenge. But he's not willing to go "as far" as killing the man he actually wants to kill in his sleep? That doesn't make any sense, and it's the poorest characterization I've seen in a long time. The fact that the anime spells out that in ep 5 doesn't change anything. Acknowledging how bad u are doesn't make u any better. It's not about not understanding the premise, it's about the premise being stupid as fuck. What you are saying makes no sense. 1) Thorfinn cares about doing it honorably because doing so would bring honor to his FATHER. You don't care about honor personally, which is fine, but HE and this CULTURE does. Why do you think they say, "In the name of [insert ancestor here]," before they engage in an HONORABLE duel? If he killed Askeladd in his sleep, I.E. in a DISHONORABLE way, THEN HE IS NO BETTER THAN ASKELADD. 2) He's serving him to get stronger in order TO defeat him in a duel. He needs experience in battle, even if it means fighting and pillaging farmers. IN SPITE of this, he still attempted to save the village this episode and tell everyone to run. But it was too late. 3) Thorfinn rejected his father's teachings since episode 2. Come up with a better point. 4) The premise isn't dumb, because it's a critically acclaimed manga series for what I have been told. Everyone sings its praises, but somehow, you know better in spite of your fundamental lack of comprehension. You can't seem to get over that what Thorfinn is doing makes sense for HIS time period, NOT OURS. In essence, he's NOT doing what YOU would do, so YOU think it's dumb. That is asinine. You OBVIOUSLY don't have an honorable bone in your body, but DO NOT PROJECT THAT onto Thorfinn. I have to agree with @ChainxBastard. Maybe if Vinland Saga was set in our period, I'd understand your point more @vhagar8, but it's not. It's set in an era where honor means a lot. I think we should think of it this way: Thorfinn witnessed his father being dishonorably killed in front of him, when he was a child. This hammers in the, "honor > everything" point in his mind. You're right in that it's stupid that he's willing to do so much to kill Askeladd (participate in pillaging, killing people, etc). Yet, in a twisted way, dishonorably avenging his father crosses that line. Because, as @ChainxBastard has said, from Thorfinn's perspective, he'd be no better than Askeladd. No really. His father was a coward who refused to kill people and ran away from the battlefield, he was literally the dishonor of vikings himslef, he didn't deserve to be treated with honor but to be killed like a dog. If thorfinn really cared about vikings morals, he'd piss on his father tomb. But I'm the one projecting my morals on the story... Whenever his porpose is to avenge his father or to honor his memory, it's done poorly What you're saying is complete nonsense. |
Aug 14, 2019 8:20 PM
#252
Aug 14, 2019 10:17 PM
#253
oof, finally feeling for thorfinn |
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Aug 14, 2019 10:51 PM
#254
vhagar8 said: HopefulNihilist said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Chrawnus said: JakkoFourEyes said: TolkienFan365 said: Also he is following them because if he leaves likely he will never find Askeladd again. He doesn't really have much of a way home at this point either. He wants to kill him in an honorable duel similar to justify what his father did. Lol there's absolutely nothing honourable about what he's currently doing. The duel won't be very honourable if he got there by helping Askeladd and his men kill and rape entire villages. He can stay with them all he wants, but actually helping them is an entirely different thing. I get that he's blinded by revenge, but this is really extreme. It's not about what's honourable to you, it's about what's honourable in Viking culture. Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. They have no problem with killing people in their sleep per say, its just that they must prove they are better fighters than their rivals to earn a spot in valhalla, soo killing a rival in their sleep would be seen as cowardly because that would mean they fear their riva and thus would NEVER win respect by doing that, not because 'its wrong to kill people when they cant defend themselves'. As for the vilagers? They are just weaklings, a means to make a proffit seeling slaves and pillaging all they have. That dosent mean vikings are stupid either, if they can outsmart their enemies they will do it, a commander dosent want to lose soldiers needlessly even if they are vikings, soo murdering all the villagers before they have a chance to flee and call reinforcements from another garison is just the natural move. Mmmmm ok, if that's what they're going for in this anime, it's really poorly derivered imo, but at least I guess I can see a little bit where they're coming from now, thanks. It's not poorly delivered at all. You have to have some basic sense of what Vikings are and what their culture is. They shouldn't have to hold your hands. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Killing a warrior in his sleep = dishonorable Killing a warrior in a duel = honorable Pillaging and raiding = common place You have convoluted completely separate issues because you are projecting YOUR moral values on to THEM. You CAN NOT do that when watching ANY historical work. EVER. Otherwise you will end up confused and it honestly comes off as ignorant as well. You shouldn't be required to have any sort of previous knowledge to watch an anime. And c'mon are u seriosly saying I'm the one projecting my moral values on em? Isn't the anime fucking concept to project our values in the vikings society? Anyway, none of these "warriors' code" values or whatever is mentioned in the anime. Never is mentioned that thorfinn is following them to earn a spot in valhalla or whatever. The only reason presented in the anime as to why thorfinn is following them is to get revenge, which to me, it's a fucking dumb reason. That's everything the anime tells us and that's what I'm sticking to, if there were other reasons the author forgot to mention, it's his bad. And that's why I said it's poorly delivered. It's common knowledge. Like, elementary. Even still, Valhalla was explained when Thorfinn was play fighting and he was the first one to die. He talked about it to his friend who also "died" in the game. The anime concept isn't to "project" our values in Viking's society. As far as I can tell, it's a message about the horrors of war and how it twists innocent people and forces people to join in on needless conflict. Earning a spot in Valhalla has literally nothing to do with why Thorfinn wants to kill Askeladd. Thorfinn wants to avenge his father's death by killing Askeladd in an honorable duel BECAUSE Askeladd killed his father DISHONORABLY. It's literally spelled out for you in the 5th episode. Wanting revenge is not a dumb reason. He was raised in an environment where people CONSTANTLY avenge the deaths of their comrades, let alone their fathers. The author covered all of his bases so far. I don't understand why you're so confused. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really don't understand how you can't follow 6 episodes worth of prologue. The information given isn't hard to grasp either, it's literally said overtly. Maybe you need to rewatch all of the episodes again. The fact that Thorfinn cares more about getting his revenge HONORABLY than actually getting his revenge is what is fucking dumb. If he really cared about avenging his father he'd do it in every way possible. He's willing to go as far as; serve the man who killed his father, help him raiding villages, rejecting his father teachings and start killing people, wait decades to get get his revenge. But he's not willing to go "as far" as killing the man he actually wants to kill in his sleep? That doesn't make any sense, and it's the poorest characterization I've seen in a long time. The fact that the anime spells out that in ep 5 doesn't change anything. Acknowledging how bad u are doesn't make u any better. It's not about not understanding the premise, it's about the premise being stupid as fuck. What you are saying makes no sense. 1) Thorfinn cares about doing it honorably because doing so would bring honor to his FATHER. You don't care about honor personally, which is fine, but HE and this CULTURE does. Why do you think they say, "In the name of [insert ancestor here]," before they engage in an HONORABLE duel? If he killed Askeladd in his sleep, I.E. in a DISHONORABLE way, THEN HE IS NO BETTER THAN ASKELADD. 2) He's serving him to get stronger in order TO defeat him in a duel. He needs experience in battle, even if it means fighting and pillaging farmers. IN SPITE of this, he still attempted to save the village this episode and tell everyone to run. But it was too late. 3) Thorfinn rejected his father's teachings since episode 2. Come up with a better point. 4) The premise isn't dumb, because it's a critically acclaimed manga series for what I have been told. Everyone sings its praises, but somehow, you know better in spite of your fundamental lack of comprehension. You can't seem to get over that what Thorfinn is doing makes sense for HIS time period, NOT OURS. In essence, he's NOT doing what YOU would do, so YOU think it's dumb. That is asinine. You OBVIOUSLY don't have an honorable bone in your body, but DO NOT PROJECT THAT onto Thorfinn. I have to agree with @ChainxBastard. Maybe if Vinland Saga was set in our period, I'd understand your point more @vhagar8, but it's not. It's set in an era where honor means a lot. I think we should think of it this way: Thorfinn witnessed his father being dishonorably killed in front of him, when he was a child. This hammers in the, "honor > everything" point in his mind. You're right in that it's stupid that he's willing to do so much to kill Askeladd (participate in pillaging, killing people, etc). Yet, in a twisted way, dishonorably avenging his father crosses that line. Because, as @ChainxBastard has said, from Thorfinn's perspective, he'd be no better than Askeladd. No really. His father was a coward who refused to kill people and ran away from the battlefield, he was literally the dishonor of vikings himslef, he didn't deserve to be treated with honor but to be killed like a dog. If thorfinn really cared about vikings morals, he'd piss on his father tomb. But I'm the one projecting my morals on the story... Whenever his porpose is to avenge his father or to honor his memory, it's done poorly Yea, you're a lost cause. I wish there was a way for a mod to see your idiotic posts and to disable your right to vote or rate anime on the site and to block your posts in general. Stupidity runs rampant on this site. Either that or you're a troll. I'm glad that other people know how dumb you sound. |
Aug 15, 2019 3:22 AM
#255
ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: HopefulNihilist said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Chrawnus said: JakkoFourEyes said: TolkienFan365 said: Also he is following them because if he leaves likely he will never find Askeladd again. He doesn't really have much of a way home at this point either. He wants to kill him in an honorable duel similar to justify what his father did. Lol there's absolutely nothing honourable about what he's currently doing. The duel won't be very honourable if he got there by helping Askeladd and his men kill and rape entire villages. He can stay with them all he wants, but actually helping them is an entirely different thing. I get that he's blinded by revenge, but this is really extreme. It's not about what's honourable to you, it's about what's honourable in Viking culture. Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. They have no problem with killing people in their sleep per say, its just that they must prove they are better fighters than their rivals to earn a spot in valhalla, soo killing a rival in their sleep would be seen as cowardly because that would mean they fear their riva and thus would NEVER win respect by doing that, not because 'its wrong to kill people when they cant defend themselves'. As for the vilagers? They are just weaklings, a means to make a proffit seeling slaves and pillaging all they have. That dosent mean vikings are stupid either, if they can outsmart their enemies they will do it, a commander dosent want to lose soldiers needlessly even if they are vikings, soo murdering all the villagers before they have a chance to flee and call reinforcements from another garison is just the natural move. Mmmmm ok, if that's what they're going for in this anime, it's really poorly derivered imo, but at least I guess I can see a little bit where they're coming from now, thanks. It's not poorly delivered at all. You have to have some basic sense of what Vikings are and what their culture is. They shouldn't have to hold your hands. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Killing a warrior in his sleep = dishonorable Killing a warrior in a duel = honorable Pillaging and raiding = common place You have convoluted completely separate issues because you are projecting YOUR moral values on to THEM. You CAN NOT do that when watching ANY historical work. EVER. Otherwise you will end up confused and it honestly comes off as ignorant as well. You shouldn't be required to have any sort of previous knowledge to watch an anime. And c'mon are u seriosly saying I'm the one projecting my moral values on em? Isn't the anime fucking concept to project our values in the vikings society? Anyway, none of these "warriors' code" values or whatever is mentioned in the anime. Never is mentioned that thorfinn is following them to earn a spot in valhalla or whatever. The only reason presented in the anime as to why thorfinn is following them is to get revenge, which to me, it's a fucking dumb reason. That's everything the anime tells us and that's what I'm sticking to, if there were other reasons the author forgot to mention, it's his bad. And that's why I said it's poorly delivered. It's common knowledge. Like, elementary. Even still, Valhalla was explained when Thorfinn was play fighting and he was the first one to die. He talked about it to his friend who also "died" in the game. The anime concept isn't to "project" our values in Viking's society. As far as I can tell, it's a message about the horrors of war and how it twists innocent people and forces people to join in on needless conflict. Earning a spot in Valhalla has literally nothing to do with why Thorfinn wants to kill Askeladd. Thorfinn wants to avenge his father's death by killing Askeladd in an honorable duel BECAUSE Askeladd killed his father DISHONORABLY. It's literally spelled out for you in the 5th episode. Wanting revenge is not a dumb reason. He was raised in an environment where people CONSTANTLY avenge the deaths of their comrades, let alone their fathers. The author covered all of his bases so far. I don't understand why you're so confused. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really don't understand how you can't follow 6 episodes worth of prologue. The information given isn't hard to grasp either, it's literally said overtly. Maybe you need to rewatch all of the episodes again. The fact that Thorfinn cares more about getting his revenge HONORABLY than actually getting his revenge is what is fucking dumb. If he really cared about avenging his father he'd do it in every way possible. He's willing to go as far as; serve the man who killed his father, help him raiding villages, rejecting his father teachings and start killing people, wait decades to get get his revenge. But he's not willing to go "as far" as killing the man he actually wants to kill in his sleep? That doesn't make any sense, and it's the poorest characterization I've seen in a long time. The fact that the anime spells out that in ep 5 doesn't change anything. Acknowledging how bad u are doesn't make u any better. It's not about not understanding the premise, it's about the premise being stupid as fuck. What you are saying makes no sense. 1) Thorfinn cares about doing it honorably because doing so would bring honor to his FATHER. You don't care about honor personally, which is fine, but HE and this CULTURE does. Why do you think they say, "In the name of [insert ancestor here]," before they engage in an HONORABLE duel? If he killed Askeladd in his sleep, I.E. in a DISHONORABLE way, THEN HE IS NO BETTER THAN ASKELADD. 2) He's serving him to get stronger in order TO defeat him in a duel. He needs experience in battle, even if it means fighting and pillaging farmers. IN SPITE of this, he still attempted to save the village this episode and tell everyone to run. But it was too late. 3) Thorfinn rejected his father's teachings since episode 2. Come up with a better point. 4) The premise isn't dumb, because it's a critically acclaimed manga series for what I have been told. Everyone sings its praises, but somehow, you know better in spite of your fundamental lack of comprehension. You can't seem to get over that what Thorfinn is doing makes sense for HIS time period, NOT OURS. In essence, he's NOT doing what YOU would do, so YOU think it's dumb. That is asinine. You OBVIOUSLY don't have an honorable bone in your body, but DO NOT PROJECT THAT onto Thorfinn. I have to agree with @ChainxBastard. Maybe if Vinland Saga was set in our period, I'd understand your point more @vhagar8, but it's not. It's set in an era where honor means a lot. I think we should think of it this way: Thorfinn witnessed his father being dishonorably killed in front of him, when he was a child. This hammers in the, "honor > everything" point in his mind. You're right in that it's stupid that he's willing to do so much to kill Askeladd (participate in pillaging, killing people, etc). Yet, in a twisted way, dishonorably avenging his father crosses that line. Because, as @ChainxBastard has said, from Thorfinn's perspective, he'd be no better than Askeladd. No really. His father was a coward who refused to kill people and ran away from the battlefield, he was literally the dishonor of vikings himslef, he didn't deserve to be treated with honor but to be killed like a dog. If thorfinn really cared about vikings morals, he'd piss on his father tomb. But I'm the one projecting my morals on the story... Whenever his porpose is to avenge his father or to honor his memory, it's done poorly Yea, you're a lost cause. I wish there was a way for a mod to see your idiotic posts and to disable your right to vote or rate anime on the site and to block your posts in general. Stupidity runs rampant on this site. Either that or you're a troll. I'm glad that other people know how dumb you sound. He is right though. If we look at it from the prevalent viking morality of the dark ages, then Thors was a disgrace and Thorfinn should not have wanted to avenge him. However idiotic his input is, he is right that from a standpoint of logic, neither Thors nor Thorfinn were generic vikings. |
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Aug 15, 2019 3:50 AM
#256
ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: HopefulNihilist said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Chrawnus said: JakkoFourEyes said: TolkienFan365 said: Also he is following them because if he leaves likely he will never find Askeladd again. He doesn't really have much of a way home at this point either. He wants to kill him in an honorable duel similar to justify what his father did. Lol there's absolutely nothing honourable about what he's currently doing. The duel won't be very honourable if he got there by helping Askeladd and his men kill and rape entire villages. He can stay with them all he wants, but actually helping them is an entirely different thing. I get that he's blinded by revenge, but this is really extreme. It's not about what's honourable to you, it's about what's honourable in Viking culture. Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. They have no problem with killing people in their sleep per say, its just that they must prove they are better fighters than their rivals to earn a spot in valhalla, soo killing a rival in their sleep would be seen as cowardly because that would mean they fear their riva and thus would NEVER win respect by doing that, not because 'its wrong to kill people when they cant defend themselves'. As for the vilagers? They are just weaklings, a means to make a proffit seeling slaves and pillaging all they have. That dosent mean vikings are stupid either, if they can outsmart their enemies they will do it, a commander dosent want to lose soldiers needlessly even if they are vikings, soo murdering all the villagers before they have a chance to flee and call reinforcements from another garison is just the natural move. Mmmmm ok, if that's what they're going for in this anime, it's really poorly derivered imo, but at least I guess I can see a little bit where they're coming from now, thanks. It's not poorly delivered at all. You have to have some basic sense of what Vikings are and what their culture is. They shouldn't have to hold your hands. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Killing a warrior in his sleep = dishonorable Killing a warrior in a duel = honorable Pillaging and raiding = common place You have convoluted completely separate issues because you are projecting YOUR moral values on to THEM. You CAN NOT do that when watching ANY historical work. EVER. Otherwise you will end up confused and it honestly comes off as ignorant as well. You shouldn't be required to have any sort of previous knowledge to watch an anime. And c'mon are u seriosly saying I'm the one projecting my moral values on em? Isn't the anime fucking concept to project our values in the vikings society? Anyway, none of these "warriors' code" values or whatever is mentioned in the anime. Never is mentioned that thorfinn is following them to earn a spot in valhalla or whatever. The only reason presented in the anime as to why thorfinn is following them is to get revenge, which to me, it's a fucking dumb reason. That's everything the anime tells us and that's what I'm sticking to, if there were other reasons the author forgot to mention, it's his bad. And that's why I said it's poorly delivered. It's common knowledge. Like, elementary. Even still, Valhalla was explained when Thorfinn was play fighting and he was the first one to die. He talked about it to his friend who also "died" in the game. The anime concept isn't to "project" our values in Viking's society. As far as I can tell, it's a message about the horrors of war and how it twists innocent people and forces people to join in on needless conflict. Earning a spot in Valhalla has literally nothing to do with why Thorfinn wants to kill Askeladd. Thorfinn wants to avenge his father's death by killing Askeladd in an honorable duel BECAUSE Askeladd killed his father DISHONORABLY. It's literally spelled out for you in the 5th episode. Wanting revenge is not a dumb reason. He was raised in an environment where people CONSTANTLY avenge the deaths of their comrades, let alone their fathers. The author covered all of his bases so far. I don't understand why you're so confused. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really don't understand how you can't follow 6 episodes worth of prologue. The information given isn't hard to grasp either, it's literally said overtly. Maybe you need to rewatch all of the episodes again. The fact that Thorfinn cares more about getting his revenge HONORABLY than actually getting his revenge is what is fucking dumb. If he really cared about avenging his father he'd do it in every way possible. He's willing to go as far as; serve the man who killed his father, help him raiding villages, rejecting his father teachings and start killing people, wait decades to get get his revenge. But he's not willing to go "as far" as killing the man he actually wants to kill in his sleep? That doesn't make any sense, and it's the poorest characterization I've seen in a long time. The fact that the anime spells out that in ep 5 doesn't change anything. Acknowledging how bad u are doesn't make u any better. It's not about not understanding the premise, it's about the premise being stupid as fuck. What you are saying makes no sense. 1) Thorfinn cares about doing it honorably because doing so would bring honor to his FATHER. You don't care about honor personally, which is fine, but HE and this CULTURE does. Why do you think they say, "In the name of [insert ancestor here]," before they engage in an HONORABLE duel? If he killed Askeladd in his sleep, I.E. in a DISHONORABLE way, THEN HE IS NO BETTER THAN ASKELADD. 2) He's serving him to get stronger in order TO defeat him in a duel. He needs experience in battle, even if it means fighting and pillaging farmers. IN SPITE of this, he still attempted to save the village this episode and tell everyone to run. But it was too late. 3) Thorfinn rejected his father's teachings since episode 2. Come up with a better point. 4) The premise isn't dumb, because it's a critically acclaimed manga series for what I have been told. Everyone sings its praises, but somehow, you know better in spite of your fundamental lack of comprehension. You can't seem to get over that what Thorfinn is doing makes sense for HIS time period, NOT OURS. In essence, he's NOT doing what YOU would do, so YOU think it's dumb. That is asinine. You OBVIOUSLY don't have an honorable bone in your body, but DO NOT PROJECT THAT onto Thorfinn. I have to agree with @ChainxBastard. Maybe if Vinland Saga was set in our period, I'd understand your point more @vhagar8, but it's not. It's set in an era where honor means a lot. I think we should think of it this way: Thorfinn witnessed his father being dishonorably killed in front of him, when he was a child. This hammers in the, "honor > everything" point in his mind. You're right in that it's stupid that he's willing to do so much to kill Askeladd (participate in pillaging, killing people, etc). Yet, in a twisted way, dishonorably avenging his father crosses that line. Because, as @ChainxBastard has said, from Thorfinn's perspective, he'd be no better than Askeladd. No really. His father was a coward who refused to kill people and ran away from the battlefield, he was literally the dishonor of vikings himslef, he didn't deserve to be treated with honor but to be killed like a dog. If thorfinn really cared about vikings morals, he'd piss on his father tomb. But I'm the one projecting my morals on the story... Whenever his porpose is to avenge his father or to honor his memory, it's done poorly Yea, you're a lost cause. I wish there was a way for a mod to see your idiotic posts and to disable your right to vote or rate anime on the site and to block your posts in general. Stupidity runs rampant on this site. Either that or you're a troll. I'm glad that other people know how dumb you sound. I wish there was a way to filter the quotes and not get notified if the comment is this worthless Yeah u don't always get what u wish :/ |
vhagar8Aug 15, 2019 3:56 AM
Aug 15, 2019 5:37 AM
#257
vhagar8 said: No really. His father was a coward who refused to kill people and ran away from the battlefield, he was literally the dishonor of vikings himslef, he didn't deserve to be treated with honor but to be killed like a dog. If thorfinn really cared about vikings morals, he'd piss on his father tomb. But I'm the one projecting my morals on the story... You're right, you've just pointed out one of the contradicting plots for Thorfinn in this story. BUT there's an actual reason for that. Believe me, the author did this on purpose. It ties in to the overall arching theme the author has for this story. |
Aug 15, 2019 6:00 AM
#258
Daniel_Naumov said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: HopefulNihilist said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Chrawnus said: JakkoFourEyes said: TolkienFan365 said: Also he is following them because if he leaves likely he will never find Askeladd again. He doesn't really have much of a way home at this point either. He wants to kill him in an honorable duel similar to justify what his father did. Lol there's absolutely nothing honourable about what he's currently doing. The duel won't be very honourable if he got there by helping Askeladd and his men kill and rape entire villages. He can stay with them all he wants, but actually helping them is an entirely different thing. I get that he's blinded by revenge, but this is really extreme. It's not about what's honourable to you, it's about what's honourable in Viking culture. Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. They have no problem with killing people in their sleep per say, its just that they must prove they are better fighters than their rivals to earn a spot in valhalla, soo killing a rival in their sleep would be seen as cowardly because that would mean they fear their riva and thus would NEVER win respect by doing that, not because 'its wrong to kill people when they cant defend themselves'. As for the vilagers? They are just weaklings, a means to make a proffit seeling slaves and pillaging all they have. That dosent mean vikings are stupid either, if they can outsmart their enemies they will do it, a commander dosent want to lose soldiers needlessly even if they are vikings, soo murdering all the villagers before they have a chance to flee and call reinforcements from another garison is just the natural move. Mmmmm ok, if that's what they're going for in this anime, it's really poorly derivered imo, but at least I guess I can see a little bit where they're coming from now, thanks. It's not poorly delivered at all. You have to have some basic sense of what Vikings are and what their culture is. They shouldn't have to hold your hands. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Killing a warrior in his sleep = dishonorable Killing a warrior in a duel = honorable Pillaging and raiding = common place You have convoluted completely separate issues because you are projecting YOUR moral values on to THEM. You CAN NOT do that when watching ANY historical work. EVER. Otherwise you will end up confused and it honestly comes off as ignorant as well. You shouldn't be required to have any sort of previous knowledge to watch an anime. And c'mon are u seriosly saying I'm the one projecting my moral values on em? Isn't the anime fucking concept to project our values in the vikings society? Anyway, none of these "warriors' code" values or whatever is mentioned in the anime. Never is mentioned that thorfinn is following them to earn a spot in valhalla or whatever. The only reason presented in the anime as to why thorfinn is following them is to get revenge, which to me, it's a fucking dumb reason. That's everything the anime tells us and that's what I'm sticking to, if there were other reasons the author forgot to mention, it's his bad. And that's why I said it's poorly delivered. It's common knowledge. Like, elementary. Even still, Valhalla was explained when Thorfinn was play fighting and he was the first one to die. He talked about it to his friend who also "died" in the game. The anime concept isn't to "project" our values in Viking's society. As far as I can tell, it's a message about the horrors of war and how it twists innocent people and forces people to join in on needless conflict. Earning a spot in Valhalla has literally nothing to do with why Thorfinn wants to kill Askeladd. Thorfinn wants to avenge his father's death by killing Askeladd in an honorable duel BECAUSE Askeladd killed his father DISHONORABLY. It's literally spelled out for you in the 5th episode. Wanting revenge is not a dumb reason. He was raised in an environment where people CONSTANTLY avenge the deaths of their comrades, let alone their fathers. The author covered all of his bases so far. I don't understand why you're so confused. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really don't understand how you can't follow 6 episodes worth of prologue. The information given isn't hard to grasp either, it's literally said overtly. Maybe you need to rewatch all of the episodes again. The fact that Thorfinn cares more about getting his revenge HONORABLY than actually getting his revenge is what is fucking dumb. If he really cared about avenging his father he'd do it in every way possible. He's willing to go as far as; serve the man who killed his father, help him raiding villages, rejecting his father teachings and start killing people, wait decades to get get his revenge. But he's not willing to go "as far" as killing the man he actually wants to kill in his sleep? That doesn't make any sense, and it's the poorest characterization I've seen in a long time. The fact that the anime spells out that in ep 5 doesn't change anything. Acknowledging how bad u are doesn't make u any better. It's not about not understanding the premise, it's about the premise being stupid as fuck. What you are saying makes no sense. 1) Thorfinn cares about doing it honorably because doing so would bring honor to his FATHER. You don't care about honor personally, which is fine, but HE and this CULTURE does. Why do you think they say, "In the name of [insert ancestor here]," before they engage in an HONORABLE duel? If he killed Askeladd in his sleep, I.E. in a DISHONORABLE way, THEN HE IS NO BETTER THAN ASKELADD. 2) He's serving him to get stronger in order TO defeat him in a duel. He needs experience in battle, even if it means fighting and pillaging farmers. IN SPITE of this, he still attempted to save the village this episode and tell everyone to run. But it was too late. 3) Thorfinn rejected his father's teachings since episode 2. Come up with a better point. 4) The premise isn't dumb, because it's a critically acclaimed manga series for what I have been told. Everyone sings its praises, but somehow, you know better in spite of your fundamental lack of comprehension. You can't seem to get over that what Thorfinn is doing makes sense for HIS time period, NOT OURS. In essence, he's NOT doing what YOU would do, so YOU think it's dumb. That is asinine. You OBVIOUSLY don't have an honorable bone in your body, but DO NOT PROJECT THAT onto Thorfinn. I have to agree with @ChainxBastard. Maybe if Vinland Saga was set in our period, I'd understand your point more @vhagar8, but it's not. It's set in an era where honor means a lot. I think we should think of it this way: Thorfinn witnessed his father being dishonorably killed in front of him, when he was a child. This hammers in the, "honor > everything" point in his mind. You're right in that it's stupid that he's willing to do so much to kill Askeladd (participate in pillaging, killing people, etc). Yet, in a twisted way, dishonorably avenging his father crosses that line. Because, as @ChainxBastard has said, from Thorfinn's perspective, he'd be no better than Askeladd. No really. His father was a coward who refused to kill people and ran away from the battlefield, he was literally the dishonor of vikings himslef, he didn't deserve to be treated with honor but to be killed like a dog. If thorfinn really cared about vikings morals, he'd piss on his father tomb. But I'm the one projecting my morals on the story... Whenever his porpose is to avenge his father or to honor his memory, it's done poorly Yea, you're a lost cause. I wish there was a way for a mod to see your idiotic posts and to disable your right to vote or rate anime on the site and to block your posts in general. Stupidity runs rampant on this site. Either that or you're a troll. I'm glad that other people know how dumb you sound. He is right though. If we look at it from the prevalent viking morality of the dark ages, then Thors was a disgrace and Thorfinn should not have wanted to avenge him. However idiotic his input is, he is right that from a standpoint of logic, neither Thors nor Thorfinn were generic vikings. You can't be serious. Thors didn't die in a drunken stupor and got stabbed to death by a drunk thug at a pub. He died PROTECTING his son AND his village AFTER he had been DISHONORABLY killed in a duel THAT HE HAD WON. Thorfinn is avenging him TO RECLAIM HIS FATHER'S HONOR. |
Aug 15, 2019 8:08 AM
#259
elementex said: tiwibo said: So, you're defending your "original" opinion on a frustratingly generic anime with corner cutting effort - though there are currently 726 users who voted 10/10. So "original" I must say. That's already funnier than the whole show. Also, the fact that Vinland Saga's lack of waifus is your idea of an "original" criticism means that being original doesn't necessarily mean good. So, don't pride yourself on having "original" opinions every time. I understand it has faults, I could easily drop it to 8 or 9, but with all the 1 bombers dropping the show under a 6 just because it's isekai I have to stay at 10 to combat that. I guess we can expect more alt accounts of you balancing Vinland Saga with 1s😂 |
Aug 15, 2019 9:04 AM
#260
Very sad, I see it'll be a very heartbreaking and strong story. |
Aug 15, 2019 9:20 AM
#261
Short_Circut said: Black_Sheep97 said: Short_Circut said: Damn this show really is going for that historical accuracy, Vikings not having horns on their helmets (like myths say they do), archers doing most of the fighting, language differences. Also MC that isn't afraid to ho harm wow what a shocker The CGI soldiers though, that looked so garbage lol. Actually not even the soldiers the cgi in general is pretty garbage LalatinaDarkness said: shane_nichols said: Ya know Kimetsu may have better animation and godlike visuals, but Vinland has a much better story. I love em both in different ways. Yeah, people in twitter really hyping it up and even hailed it as their "aoty that not even aot can top it." (It's their opinion but still) Crazy how a damn good animation blinds viewers. tbf considering how many action shows lately have had subpar animation, I can see how great animation can be blinding lmao Yeah....no. Just look at the battle between the Danes vs. English in the daytime. That was like Overlord S3 level cgi lel Allow me to introduce you to shield heros cgi soldiers. You'll appreciate Vinland CGI soldiers more when you look at the unfinished cgi models of shield hero soldiers. Seriously those things looked like atrocious clay models and were dropping frames mad hard. |
Byleth-KunAug 15, 2019 9:46 AM
Aug 15, 2019 9:45 AM
#262
ChainxBastard said: Daniel_Naumov said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: HopefulNihilist said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Chrawnus said: JakkoFourEyes said: TolkienFan365 said: Also he is following them because if he leaves likely he will never find Askeladd again. He doesn't really have much of a way home at this point either. He wants to kill him in an honorable duel similar to justify what his father did. Lol there's absolutely nothing honourable about what he's currently doing. The duel won't be very honourable if he got there by helping Askeladd and his men kill and rape entire villages. He can stay with them all he wants, but actually helping them is an entirely different thing. I get that he's blinded by revenge, but this is really extreme. It's not about what's honourable to you, it's about what's honourable in Viking culture. Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. They have no problem with killing people in their sleep per say, its just that they must prove they are better fighters than their rivals to earn a spot in valhalla, soo killing a rival in their sleep would be seen as cowardly because that would mean they fear their riva and thus would NEVER win respect by doing that, not because 'its wrong to kill people when they cant defend themselves'. As for the vilagers? They are just weaklings, a means to make a proffit seeling slaves and pillaging all they have. That dosent mean vikings are stupid either, if they can outsmart their enemies they will do it, a commander dosent want to lose soldiers needlessly even if they are vikings, soo murdering all the villagers before they have a chance to flee and call reinforcements from another garison is just the natural move. Mmmmm ok, if that's what they're going for in this anime, it's really poorly derivered imo, but at least I guess I can see a little bit where they're coming from now, thanks. It's not poorly delivered at all. You have to have some basic sense of what Vikings are and what their culture is. They shouldn't have to hold your hands. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Killing a warrior in his sleep = dishonorable Killing a warrior in a duel = honorable Pillaging and raiding = common place You have convoluted completely separate issues because you are projecting YOUR moral values on to THEM. You CAN NOT do that when watching ANY historical work. EVER. Otherwise you will end up confused and it honestly comes off as ignorant as well. You shouldn't be required to have any sort of previous knowledge to watch an anime. And c'mon are u seriosly saying I'm the one projecting my moral values on em? Isn't the anime fucking concept to project our values in the vikings society? Anyway, none of these "warriors' code" values or whatever is mentioned in the anime. Never is mentioned that thorfinn is following them to earn a spot in valhalla or whatever. The only reason presented in the anime as to why thorfinn is following them is to get revenge, which to me, it's a fucking dumb reason. That's everything the anime tells us and that's what I'm sticking to, if there were other reasons the author forgot to mention, it's his bad. And that's why I said it's poorly delivered. It's common knowledge. Like, elementary. Even still, Valhalla was explained when Thorfinn was play fighting and he was the first one to die. He talked about it to his friend who also "died" in the game. The anime concept isn't to "project" our values in Viking's society. As far as I can tell, it's a message about the horrors of war and how it twists innocent people and forces people to join in on needless conflict. Earning a spot in Valhalla has literally nothing to do with why Thorfinn wants to kill Askeladd. Thorfinn wants to avenge his father's death by killing Askeladd in an honorable duel BECAUSE Askeladd killed his father DISHONORABLY. It's literally spelled out for you in the 5th episode. Wanting revenge is not a dumb reason. He was raised in an environment where people CONSTANTLY avenge the deaths of their comrades, let alone their fathers. The author covered all of his bases so far. I don't understand why you're so confused. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really don't understand how you can't follow 6 episodes worth of prologue. The information given isn't hard to grasp either, it's literally said overtly. Maybe you need to rewatch all of the episodes again. The fact that Thorfinn cares more about getting his revenge HONORABLY than actually getting his revenge is what is fucking dumb. If he really cared about avenging his father he'd do it in every way possible. He's willing to go as far as; serve the man who killed his father, help him raiding villages, rejecting his father teachings and start killing people, wait decades to get get his revenge. But he's not willing to go "as far" as killing the man he actually wants to kill in his sleep? That doesn't make any sense, and it's the poorest characterization I've seen in a long time. The fact that the anime spells out that in ep 5 doesn't change anything. Acknowledging how bad u are doesn't make u any better. It's not about not understanding the premise, it's about the premise being stupid as fuck. What you are saying makes no sense. 1) Thorfinn cares about doing it honorably because doing so would bring honor to his FATHER. You don't care about honor personally, which is fine, but HE and this CULTURE does. Why do you think they say, "In the name of [insert ancestor here]," before they engage in an HONORABLE duel? If he killed Askeladd in his sleep, I.E. in a DISHONORABLE way, THEN HE IS NO BETTER THAN ASKELADD. 2) He's serving him to get stronger in order TO defeat him in a duel. He needs experience in battle, even if it means fighting and pillaging farmers. IN SPITE of this, he still attempted to save the village this episode and tell everyone to run. But it was too late. 3) Thorfinn rejected his father's teachings since episode 2. Come up with a better point. 4) The premise isn't dumb, because it's a critically acclaimed manga series for what I have been told. Everyone sings its praises, but somehow, you know better in spite of your fundamental lack of comprehension. You can't seem to get over that what Thorfinn is doing makes sense for HIS time period, NOT OURS. In essence, he's NOT doing what YOU would do, so YOU think it's dumb. That is asinine. You OBVIOUSLY don't have an honorable bone in your body, but DO NOT PROJECT THAT onto Thorfinn. I have to agree with @ChainxBastard. Maybe if Vinland Saga was set in our period, I'd understand your point more @vhagar8, but it's not. It's set in an era where honor means a lot. I think we should think of it this way: Thorfinn witnessed his father being dishonorably killed in front of him, when he was a child. This hammers in the, "honor > everything" point in his mind. You're right in that it's stupid that he's willing to do so much to kill Askeladd (participate in pillaging, killing people, etc). Yet, in a twisted way, dishonorably avenging his father crosses that line. Because, as @ChainxBastard has said, from Thorfinn's perspective, he'd be no better than Askeladd. No really. His father was a coward who refused to kill people and ran away from the battlefield, he was literally the dishonor of vikings himslef, he didn't deserve to be treated with honor but to be killed like a dog. If thorfinn really cared about vikings morals, he'd piss on his father tomb. But I'm the one projecting my morals on the story... Whenever his porpose is to avenge his father or to honor his memory, it's done poorly Yea, you're a lost cause. I wish there was a way for a mod to see your idiotic posts and to disable your right to vote or rate anime on the site and to block your posts in general. Stupidity runs rampant on this site. Either that or you're a troll. I'm glad that other people know how dumb you sound. He is right though. If we look at it from the prevalent viking morality of the dark ages, then Thors was a disgrace and Thorfinn should not have wanted to avenge him. However idiotic his input is, he is right that from a standpoint of logic, neither Thors nor Thorfinn were generic vikings. You can't be serious. Thors didn't die in a drunken stupor and got stabbed to death by a drunk thug at a pub. He died PROTECTING his son AND his village AFTER he had been DISHONORABLY killed in a duel THAT HE HAD WON. Thorfinn is avenging him TO RECLAIM HIS FATHER'S HONOR. That might be true, but then again, this is not because Thorfinn is a hardboiled viking, he is a son of an enlightened viking who brought Thorfinn up with morals extremely deviating from the general understanding of world at that time. You can say Thors was living in 2000 when everyone else was rotting in 1000. From the Thorfinns viewpoint, Thors is a hero. From the viewpoing of mainstream viking philosophy, Thors is a coward and a traitor to his people, and Thorfinn is a stupid brat. Perspective, my men, perspective. |
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Aug 15, 2019 9:50 AM
#263
People have their own tastes on what they think about the series, but me personally, I'm loving every minute of it, the slow build up helps a ton especially for me. I'm refraining as hard as I can to score this piece of artwork from just six episodes alone as I don't give a score until I'm either finished with a anime or the animes air time ends cause something might change in the series that I either love or hate for it. |
Aug 15, 2019 5:29 PM
#264
Mythologically said: This is beginning to rival Dr. Stone for the title of "hardest to believe show of the season". The little kid can kill professional soldiers because he is the main character 😎. It's also beginning to rival Arifureta for worst CGI of the season. For having pretty good animation and art, the CGI is pathetic. I'll give this a couple more episodes, but so far even the action scenes have bored me to death. I understand that you don't like these kind of narratives, but comparing this CGI to Arifureta? Don't you think that's a little bit of an overreaction? Arifureta literally looks like they just took assets out of a PS1 game and shove it in your face. Vinland Saga, while not the best and quite noticeable, utilises it well through using it for ships and oceans. 3D CGI characters are not even that bad, plus they are used for long distant shots instead of in your face which I appreciate. They are using it appropriately from my perspective, regardless of the quality. Calm down. |
Aug 15, 2019 6:19 PM
#265
thorfinn sure did is improving better at his fighting skills, his agility is what he is using to kill his enemies... well lets see what will happen in the next episode, |
Aug 15, 2019 8:08 PM
#266
Good episode We saw the evolution in Thorfinn's fighting, or killing, abilities. From his first murder, being a Viking, there is no turning back. Thorfinn's cruel and vindictive life continues. I felt very sorry for the grandmother who saved and healed Thorfinn 😢. DAMN! They have no mercy, but so are the damn wars. |
Aug 16, 2019 6:07 AM
#267
@vhagar8 He was a legendary warrior who after years of accomplishments decided to desert and live a ordinary life. The Jomsvikings want him back because of his skills, but he gets a price on his head in secrecy. He was ready to get back on the battlefield so please tell me who exactly in the story should believe he's a coward? He protected everyone without killing in the ambush, he understood before the duel began he had to give his life up so his son and crew could survive. You already admitted to literally not understanding the story in all of your replies, what makes you think you can call anything poor? @Daniel_Naumov Thorfinn didn't even know his dad's background? He got killed on his way to the battlefield in his perspective? And Thorfinn like everyone else believed in the code of Vikings, he grew up with kids and teens who wanted to kill and die in war. Thors never achieved to teach his son his own ways. Edit: Actually I'm not sure how much Thorfinn knew about his dad's deserting. Either way due to how the story progressed it doesn't make sense to say Thorfinn shouldn't want to avenge him @ChainxBastard lmao |
EsquirtitAug 16, 2019 6:24 AM
poop |
Aug 16, 2019 6:56 AM
#268
Aug 16, 2019 7:55 AM
#269
@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit |
Aug 16, 2019 8:14 AM
#270
Esquirtit said: @Daniel_Naumov Thorfinn didn't even know his dad's background? He got killed on his way to the battlefield in his perspective? And Thorfinn like everyone else believed in the code of Vikings, he grew up with kids and teens who wanted to kill and die in war. Thors never achieved to teach his son his own ways. Edit: Actually I'm not sure how much Thorfinn knew about his dad's deserting. Either way due to how the story progressed it doesn't make sense to say Thorfinn shouldn't want to avenge him Nonono I never said that, besides Thors attempted to talk some sense into Thorfinn from time to time. For example, the last one was when he told him there are no enemies in the world. From Thorfinn's viewpoint his father was a great man and unjust, cowardly execution he got, in Thorfinn's eyes, is deserving of avenging. But Thorfinn does not know everything there is, and to other vikings who accustomed to Thors' past, Thors is (mostly, Askeladd is not a dirty viking dog, noble blood runs in his veins) a pathetic traitor and unworthy of being a viking, and, thus, living. There is no reason for Thorfinn to avenge Thors, but Thorfinn is just a stupid kid and his father meant the world to him. I am not anyhow questioning one stupid brat trying to take revenge for his father. It's 1000 A.D. chances are 99% people were uncultured imbeciles. What I was trying to say previously is that, if we consider this a historic work, based on realistic context of that time (which is highly contestable seeing how Thors throws people around with slaps and Thorfinn surviving 10 soldiers and a hunger), Thors got what was coming for him, for refusing vikings basic philosophy and being too enlightened for his time. Motivations and behaviour of people make perfect sense so far. The portrayal of combat and survival... meh. But the former is enough for me to keep staying hopeful for this series. RealMTL said: Well, this kids fighting got deadly really quick. I like his character progression but it feels like we skipped over a lot of interesting points. Like, forgive me for paying attention to discussions on this forum, what?? |
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Aug 16, 2019 8:30 AM
#271
And...the perfection continues! We get to see the struggle Thorfinn face with the vikings. It was both exciting and heartbreaking to watch. I actually shouted at Thorfinn's fight in the winter woods. Fucking glorious. Thorfinn looks really cute when the old lady brushed his hair. She is one hell of a good person, still trying to hide Thorfinn even if she knows his true identity. My boi Thorfinn reminds his past and family. But realizes he have to move on and have no time to feel emphaty in the path he's walking now. |
Aug 16, 2019 8:51 AM
#272
vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. |
nanashi796Aug 16, 2019 9:11 AM
Aug 16, 2019 10:51 AM
#273
@vhagar8 What the fuck?Obviously if he was going to join back the Jomsviking he was was going to kill people. That's why he wasn't going to take Thorfinn and the rest of the crew with him You do not make any sense, Thors understood that Askeladd and his gang were only after him and paid by Floki. He fought a duel with the promise to let his son and crew escape safely, he sensed he could trust Askeladd with that and that's why he didn't kill him. Killing the leader would get ALL of them killed. Killing the other pawns was because of his morals that's true, but I don't see how that has anything to do with what you're saying. At that time he didn't realize they were paid to assassinate him, just to enslave them and take their goods, he didn't think it was worth killing each other. Why would his son hate him for that when he literally sacrificed his own life to save them anyway. This isn't hard to understand. Where did I project my own morals my dude? Everything from ep1 to ep6 went over your head. You accused the story of not properly conveying stuff that has been said explicitly and keep insisting it's bad writing and poorly delivered. Go rematch the episodes or something @Daniel_Naumov Ah I get you now reading all of it again. I interpreted it wrong because you said you agreed with vhagar8 who said something else entirely. About the action, that's how action/manga like this portray the "big names". Thors slapping and punching people with swords was a bit too much to me as well, but doesn't take away from the story at all. It's part of what makes it an epic anime/manga. I don't agree that it makes it unworthy of being "historical" that just seems like looking down it for one aspect you don't like. |
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Aug 16, 2019 11:02 AM
#274
Damn this was a heart cruching episode. I hope to see more of that girl, i fear she might be kidnapped by the vikings tho. Excited to see where it goes |
Aug 16, 2019 11:24 AM
#275
nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge |
Aug 16, 2019 12:09 PM
#276
Esquirtit said: @vhagar8 What the fuck?Obviously if he was going to join back the Jomsviking he was was going to kill people. That's why he wasn't going to take Thorfinn and the rest of the crew with him You do not make any sense, Thors understood that Askeladd and his gang were only after him and paid by Floki. He fought a duel with the promise to let his son and crew escape safely, he sensed he could trust Askeladd with that and that's why he didn't kill him. Killing the leader would get ALL of them killed. Killing the other pawns was because of his morals that's true, but I don't see how that has anything to do with what you're saying. At that time he didn't realize they were paid to assassinate him, just to enslave them and take their goods, he didn't think it was worth killing each other. Why would his son hate him for that when he literally sacrificed his own life to save them anyway. This isn't hard to understand. Where did I project my own morals my dude? Everything from ep1 to ep6 went over your head. You accused the story of not properly conveying stuff that has been said explicitly and keep insisting it's bad writing and poorly delivered. Go rematch the episodes or something If your comprehension skills are this low, having a conversation might be a problem. No shit u think what I said makes not sense. I'll go back to the conversation slowly, make an effort to keep focus. I was saying thors was a coward by Vikings standard, u @ me applying the 21th century definition of coward to thors and disagreeing, I explained u that ur using a definition of cowardly and bravery that doesn't fit the time period the story is settled in (that's what projecting your moral mean if the words were too difficult to understand) And this is your reply? "Why would his son hate him for that when he literally sacrificed his own life to save them anyway" I said his son would hate him if he was abiding by Vikings' sense of honor. And my point was that he's in fact not abiding . And the fuck? I didn't see the superpower tag on this anime? So thors could "sense" that that shady-looking pirate would keep his promise. And his belief in his supernatural sensing ability was so strong he's willing to bet his son's life on it? I explained a more reasonable route for his son to make it out alive in my other comment point #2 He wasn't taking the safest route but the one where he had to kill no people, that's by no mean an honorable way of behavior for a viking. That's all. Thors not being an honorable viking wasn't even my point but just a mean to criticize thorfinn's characterization by I guess that went under your skin as well. And btw thors going to the war to die there, rather than to kill the enemy seems a way more believable decision for his character to make. That way he'd be the only one paying for his actions (deserting) and his family would be left alone, but he wouldn't have to reject his morals. But I have to admit I can't know this for sure |
Aug 16, 2019 12:22 PM
#277
vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: @Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. 3 and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. |
Aug 16, 2019 12:32 PM
#278
nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. |
Aug 16, 2019 12:52 PM
#279
vhagar8 said: his promise was to save the others,askeladd respected the promise he even said to ari when he attacked him to not waste his life because thors was a greater man then all of them combined,and he didn't kill anyone,honor to vikings is the most important thing,and btw when bjorn took thorfinn as hostage askeladd was sad and disappointed,he din't want to do it,he wanted to respect his promise.,that shows that he really respected thors.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. 3-4 that vikings see him as a coward because he deserted it's true but that's not the point,that shows that he isn't a coward because he's protecting his family and village,knowing that means to be killed for desertion,he was never a coward, and btw the only one that is projecting his values on this manga is you,that think this manga has poor characterization because you think differently of the characters values. |
nanashi796Aug 16, 2019 1:26 PM
Aug 16, 2019 1:14 PM
#280
@vhagar8 Omg, you said Thorfinn wanting revenge is poor characterization and that it doesn't make sense. Me having poor comprehension? LOOK BACK AT YOUR REPLIES. It's not my fault your criticism is all over the place because you never even grasped what the story is about. At first you didn't even understand anything about the Vikings beliefs and now you're saying a little child not abiding its rules when his dad sacrificed his life to save him and everyone else is "poorly delivered"? I can't be bothered you just aren't able to appreciate complex character writing fucking hell dude. Please in what universe do people hate a man who just saved not only their own life but also their families. Did you not see the reaction of the young men and Ericson? Are they poorly handled as well? OR FUCKING HUMANE CHARACTERS. THEY WENT WITH THORS BELIEVING THEY WERE THE SHIT, AND GOT FACED WITH REALITY. THEY WEREN'T REAL SAVAGE VIKINGS ESPECIALLY NOT A FUCKING 6 YR OLD And what is this? Humans can't "sense" something? Do you lack any self-awareness or are you just being ridiculous for fun ? You also fail to understand that Thors had to die no matter what otherwise his village would get slaughtered instead. You admit again you didn't pay any attention and just keep talking out your ass. Thors plan was to leave everyone behind with Ericson at the place where they got ambushed so they could go back to their village. I'll just leave it as this, you either like how Thorfinn's understanding of the world has been completely broken or just want him to be a one dimensional edgelord. |
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Aug 16, 2019 1:20 PM
#281
nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: his promise was to save the others,askeladd respected the promise he even said to ari when he attacked him to not waste his life because thors was a greater man then all of them combined,and he didn't kill anyone,honor to vikings is the most important thing.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. 3-4 that vikings see him as a coward because he deserted it's true but that's not the point,that shows that he isn't a coward because he's protecting his family and village,knowing that means to be killed for desertion,he was never a coward, and btw the only one that is projecting his values on this manga is you,that think this manga has poor characterization because you think differently of the characters values. "Yes vikings see him as a coward, but he's not a coward in my heart" ahahahaahahah, stop with all this thors fanboying, I don't give a shit how great of a man u think he is, thatìs not relevant for this discussion at all. And askeladd's promise was withdraw immediately if thors won the duel. Killing thors was breaking his promise already. And u know that as well beacuse that's what supposedly triggered thorfinn stupid honor-revenge sentiment or whatever. Let's end this here, it seems ur out of arguments and ur getting desperate. |
Aug 16, 2019 1:26 PM
#282
Esquirtit said: @vhagar8 Omg, you said Thorfinn wanting revenge is poor characterization and that it doesn't make sense. Me having poor comprehension? LOOK BACK AT YOUR REPLIES. It's not my fault your criticism is all over the place because you never even grasped what the story is about. At first you didn't even understand anything about the Vikings beliefs and now you're saying a little child not abiding its rules when his dad sacrificed his life to save him and everyone else is "poorly delivered"? I can't be bothered you just aren't able to appreciate complex character writing fucking hell dude. Please in what universe do people hate a man who just saved not only their own life but also their families. Did you not see the reaction of the young men and Ericson? Are they poorly handled as well? OR FUCKING HUMANE CHARACTERS. THEY WENT WITH THORS BELIEVING THEY WERE THE SHIT, AND GOT FACED WITH REALITY. THEY WEREN'T REAL SAVAGE VIKINGS ESPECIALLY NOT A FUCKING 6 YR OLD And what is this? Humans can't "sense" something? Do you lack any self-awareness or are you just being ridiculous for fun ? You also fail to understand that Thors had to die no matter what otherwise his village would get slaughtered instead. You admit again you didn't pay any attention and just keep talking out your ass. Thors plan was to leave everyone behind with Ericson at the place where they got ambushed so they could go back to their village. I'll just leave it as this, you either like how Thorfinn's understanding of the world has been completely broken or just want him to be a one dimensional edgelord. I tried to explain this again to u but it seems you're beyond help. Sure I'm not able to appreciate these "complex" characters. Now stop quoting me I'm tired of talking to retards. |
Aug 16, 2019 1:28 PM
#283
vhagar8 said: it's not that i think he isn't a coward he fucking showed it with his actions,others vikings don't know him,all the village abitants respect him.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. 3-4 that vikings see him as a coward because he deserted it's true but that's not the point,that shows that he isn't a coward because he's protecting his family and village,knowing that means to be killed for desertion,he was never a coward, and btw the only one that is projecting his values on this manga is you,that think this manga has poor characterization because you think differently of the characters values. "Yes vikings see him as a coward, but he's not a coward in my heart" ahahahaahahah, stop with all this thors fanboying, I don't give a shit how great of a man u think he is, thatìs not relevant for this discussion at all. And askeladd's promise was withdraw immediately if thors won the duel. Killing thors was breaking his promise already. And u know that as well beacuse that's what supposedly triggered thorfinn stupid honor-revenge sentiment or whatever. Let's end this here, it seems ur out of arguments and ur getting desperate. When bjorn took thorfinn as hostage askeladd was sad and disappointed,he didn't want to do it,he wanted to respect his promise.,that shows that he really respected thors. |
Aug 16, 2019 1:35 PM
#284
Aug 16, 2019 1:49 PM
#285
nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: it's not that i think he isn't a coward he fucking showed it with his actions,others vikings don't know him,all the village abitants respect him.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: his promise was to save the others,askeladd respected the promise he even said to ari when he attacked him to not waste his life because thors was a greater man then all of them combined,and he didn't kill anyone,honor to vikings is the most important thing.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. 3-4 that vikings see him as a coward because he deserted it's true but that's not the point,that shows that he isn't a coward because he's protecting his family and village,knowing that means to be killed for desertion,he was never a coward, and btw the only one that is projecting his values on this manga is you,that think this manga has poor characterization because you think differently of the characters values. "Yes vikings see him as a coward, but he's not a coward in my heart" ahahahaahahah, stop with all this thors fanboying, I don't give a shit how great of a man u think he is, thatìs not relevant for this discussion at all. And askeladd's promise was withdraw immediately if thors won the duel. Killing thors was breaking his promise already. And u know that as well beacuse that's what supposedly triggered thorfinn stupid honor-revenge sentiment or whatever. Let's end this here, it seems ur out of arguments and ur getting desperate. When bjorn took thorfinn as hostage askeladd was sad and disappointed,he didn't want to do it,he wanted to respect his promise.,that shows that he really respected thors. Shit, I haven't really notice till this point. Thanks for pointing out how bad of a character askeladd is as well. He kills people as a living but he respects thors for not killing people, what a joke of a characterization lmao. Anyway ok, he might have had a slightly better chance of his plan succeeding that I thought. That doesn't change the grand scheme of things too much. What I proposed is still a safer route imo. But whatever, I'm genuinely tired of this, if u still think thorfinn, thors and whoever else are great characters after all the discussions, so be it, have fun watching this for me as well. |
Aug 16, 2019 2:03 PM
#286
vhagar8 said: thats explained later why he respects him so much,when he tell his past,he has a goal.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: his promise was to save the others,askeladd respected the promise he even said to ari when he attacked him to not waste his life because thors was a greater man then all of them combined,and he didn't kill anyone,honor to vikings is the most important thing.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. 3-4 that vikings see him as a coward because he deserted it's true but that's not the point,that shows that he isn't a coward because he's protecting his family and village,knowing that means to be killed for desertion,he was never a coward, and btw the only one that is projecting his values on this manga is you,that think this manga has poor characterization because you think differently of the characters values. "Yes vikings see him as a coward, but he's not a coward in my heart" ahahahaahahah, stop with all this thors fanboying, I don't give a shit how great of a man u think he is, thatìs not relevant for this discussion at all. And askeladd's promise was withdraw immediately if thors won the duel. Killing thors was breaking his promise already. And u know that as well beacuse that's what supposedly triggered thorfinn stupid honor-revenge sentiment or whatever. Let's end this here, it seems ur out of arguments and ur getting desperate. When bjorn took thorfinn as hostage askeladd was sad and disappointed,he didn't want to do it,he wanted to respect his promise.,that shows that he really respected thors. Shit, I haven't really notice till this point. Thanks for pointing out how bad of a character askeladd is as well. He kills people as a living but he respects thors for not killing people, what a joke of a characterization lmao. Anyway ok, he might have had a slightly better chance of his plan succeeding that I thought. That doesn't change the grand scheme of things too much. What I proposed is still a safer route imo. But whatever, I'm genuinely tired of this, if u still think thorfinn, thors and whoever else are great characters after all the discussions, so be it, have fun watching this for me as well. |
nanashi796Aug 16, 2019 2:14 PM
Aug 16, 2019 2:30 PM
#287
vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: his promise was to save the others,askeladd respected the promise he even said to ari when he attacked him to not waste his life because thors was a greater man then all of them combined,and he didn't kill anyone,honor to vikings is the most important thing.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. 3-4 that vikings see him as a coward because he deserted it's true but that's not the point,that shows that he isn't a coward because he's protecting his family and village,knowing that means to be killed for desertion,he was never a coward, and btw the only one that is projecting his values on this manga is you,that think this manga has poor characterization because you think differently of the characters values. "Yes vikings see him as a coward, but he's not a coward in my heart" ahahahaahahah, stop with all this thors fanboying, I don't give a shit how great of a man u think he is, thatìs not relevant for this discussion at all. And askeladd's promise was withdraw immediately if thors won the duel. Killing thors was breaking his promise already. And u know that as well beacuse that's what supposedly triggered thorfinn stupid honor-revenge sentiment or whatever. Let's end this here, it seems ur out of arguments and ur getting desperate. When bjorn took thorfinn as hostage askeladd was sad and disappointed,he didn't want to do it,he wanted to respect his promise.,that shows that he really respected thors. Shit, I haven't really notice till this point. Thanks for pointing out how bad of a character askeladd is as well. He kills people as a living but he respects thors for not killing people, what a joke of a characterization lmao. Anyway ok, he might have had a slightly better chance of his plan succeeding that I thought. That doesn't change the grand scheme of things too much. What I proposed is still a safer route imo. But whatever, I'm genuinely tired of this, if u still think thorfinn, thors and whoever else are great characters after all the discussions, so be it, have fun watching this for me as well. He doesn't respect Thors for NOT killing people you imbecile. It's because he's the strongest warrior that he had ever faced and he has an immense amount of honor. Not only that, but he would give his LIFE to protect the people that he cares about. THAT'S why Askeladd asked him to BE THE LEADER - NOT TO JUST BE ANOTHER MEMBER. THORS WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER LEADER THAN ASKELADD. You are an idiot, a moron, a jackass, and you might also be brain dead. Please leave this forum and never post here again. |
Aug 16, 2019 3:00 PM
#288
I don't think it's ever implied that Askeladd respected Thors for not killing people. He found it unusual when one of his group told him that a number of his men were injured but none of them killed. He did respect him because of the reputation that came with being the Troll of Jom though. |
Aug 16, 2019 3:16 PM
#289
vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: his promise was to save the others,askeladd respected the promise he even said to ari when he attacked him to not waste his life because thors was a greater man then all of them combined,and he didn't kill anyone,honor to vikings is the most important thing.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. 3-4 that vikings see him as a coward because he deserted it's true but that's not the point,that shows that he isn't a coward because he's protecting his family and village,knowing that means to be killed for desertion,he was never a coward, and btw the only one that is projecting his values on this manga is you,that think this manga has poor characterization because you think differently of the characters values. "Yes vikings see him as a coward, but he's not a coward in my heart" ahahahaahahah, stop with all this thors fanboying, I don't give a shit how great of a man u think he is, thatìs not relevant for this discussion at all. And askeladd's promise was withdraw immediately if thors won the duel. Killing thors was breaking his promise already. And u know that as well beacuse that's what supposedly triggered thorfinn stupid honor-revenge sentiment or whatever. Let's end this here, it seems ur out of arguments and ur getting desperate. When bjorn took thorfinn as hostage askeladd was sad and disappointed,he didn't want to do it,he wanted to respect his promise.,that shows that he really respected thors. Shit, I haven't really notice till this point. Thanks for pointing out how bad of a character askeladd is as well. He kills people as a living but he respects thors for not killing people, what a joke of a characterization lmao. Anyway ok, he might have had a slightly better chance of his plan succeeding that I thought. That doesn't change the grand scheme of things too much. What I proposed is still a safer route imo. But whatever, I'm genuinely tired of this, if u still think thorfinn, thors and whoever else are great characters after all the discussions, so be it, have fun watching this for me as well. You gave every k-on garbage a 9, and you wanna talk about how THIS series has badly written characters? GFO you fucking faggot. |
Aug 16, 2019 3:35 PM
#290
Tougen said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: it's not that i think he isn't a coward he fucking showed it with his actions,others vikings don't know him,all the village abitants respect him.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: his promise was to save the others,askeladd respected the promise he even said to ari when he attacked him to not waste his life because thors was a greater man then all of them combined,and he didn't kill anyone,honor to vikings is the most important thing.nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: nanashi796 said: vhagar8 said: 1. he doesn't need to kill his opponent, he's strong enough to defeat everyone without killing one vs one.@Esquirtit ready to get back on the battlefield lmao. To do what exactly? What use has a warrior who does not kill on a battlefield? He was about to betray the Vikings once again And anyway the very fact that he refused to kill is opponent in a duel was already a betrayal of everything the Vikings believed in. And don't even try to say, "he was trying to take the safest route for his son to survive" because that's straight up bullshit. The reason he refused to kill was because of his morals and that's as clear as day. And protecting everyone without killing isn't an honor in the Vikings society. Stop projecting your goddamn moral in another society, goddammit 2.even if he killed askeladd everyone would have attack thors and the others to avenge him,with archers too,and thorfinn would have been killed since he can't protect everyone while he fights,he's not an idiot. 3.he accepted to go back on the batttlefield because if he didn't go the jomsvikings would attack the village for his desertion. 4.he knew from the start that that was all a set up to kill him for desertion. 5.askeladd respects him to the point he asked him to become the boss of his band and take thorfinn with him. So he isn't a coward by any means,actually is the opposite he is a brave,intelligent and strong willed person,Floki is a coward,thors is a real warrior that respects and protects life without discrimination to anyone,he protects the life of his beloved ones without taking the life of others,even if that means to die to protect his family and his conpanions,you can think thats stupid but he isn't a coward,he is a coward from the perspective of a dumb viking,and that lead to his death because with that ideology in a viking era is almost impossible to live. Protect the one that you love is the true battlefield and what it means to be a real warrior,and he doesn't kill the others because he respects everybody life,war and massacre doesn't have sense and don't lead to anything only death and destruction,he was sick of that and found a better life. Thorfinn clearly doesn't know about his desertion,and don't understand what thors mean with "real warrior needs no sword""you have no enemies at all" and his beliefs,but he has still viking beliefs because he lived in that ambient,he his still a child he see his father as a hero that protected everybody in a duel and wants to kill askeladd in a duel because he killed thors dishonorably breaking his promise to him,he didn't kill askeladd in his sleep for that motive,he is stupid and a idiot for that,yes he his a damn brat,he should have returned to his family but his rage and vengeance for askeladd took the lead,he'll regret that for life. So you clearly don't understand what this series wants to tell. 1-I don't give a shit how strong he is, sparing the life of your opponent on the battlefield is stupid. Let's even say thors was strong enough to overwhelm em all, as long as he left them alive they might seek for revenge, raiding the village where he lived for example. And it's not about not needing to kill, but being afraid to kill. 2-thorfinn could hide with a shield on his head behind the goods, while thors attacked the other ship, he himself said he could defeat em alone, by killing the commander he'd also break their ranks, and the archers from that distance during a close combat fight where most of the people involved are commanders would be more harm then good. Would that guarantee his son survival? Of course not but it's a way better plan than entrusting the life of his son to a shady looking pirate who just broke a promise in front of him 3him 3-I know that, how's that relevant? 4- I know that, how's that relevant? 5-he got no means to establish whenever that was true or not, based on the situation, it's would be more reasonable to assume he was making fun of him. I don't give a shit if YOU think thors is a coward or a hero, you're not there, who's there are the people who live in that period, and by they're standard he's a coward. And why thorfinn wants to kill him in a duel? What moral is this 6 year old kid abading by? Where does this sense of honor come from? It's not the viking honor and another sense of honor was never introduced in the story. I really don't see why thorfinn would care more about this questionable sense of honor than actual revenge 1.for you is stupid for him no,he values the life of others,killing for protecting the one you love is discrimination, that is one of the fucking message of the manga. 2.lol a shield,he could defeat them alone but he can't protect the others from all the fucking people when he fights,him fighting askeladd was the best option he had,he know he can trust askeladd since he his a man of honor. and 4 that shows that he's not a fucking coward 5.its cleary as day that askeladd was serious when he asked him to join. i fucking said that in the comment,dumb viking see him as a coward,askeladd isn't a dumb viking, even bjorn respects him. everybody said why to you 100 times but you are too stupid to understand why he wants to kill him in a duel. 1-not killing other for protecting the ones u love means not valuing the life of the ones u love. But we're getting a little off-track here, my initial purpose wasn't to question the manga message 2-how the fuck is he supposed to know that? He literally broke part of his promise before his eyes, what tells him he'd keep the other part if he accepted to die 3 & 4 I'm tired to explain why he's a coward and that people should stop projecting their values on other societies Lmao "dumb viking" basically means "actual viking" in your book. 3-4 that vikings see him as a coward because he deserted it's true but that's not the point,that shows that he isn't a coward because he's protecting his family and village,knowing that means to be killed for desertion,he was never a coward, and btw the only one that is projecting his values on this manga is you,that think this manga has poor characterization because you think differently of the characters values. "Yes vikings see him as a coward, but he's not a coward in my heart" ahahahaahahah, stop with all this thors fanboying, I don't give a shit how great of a man u think he is, thatìs not relevant for this discussion at all. And askeladd's promise was withdraw immediately if thors won the duel. Killing thors was breaking his promise already. And u know that as well beacuse that's what supposedly triggered thorfinn stupid honor-revenge sentiment or whatever. Let's end this here, it seems ur out of arguments and ur getting desperate. When bjorn took thorfinn as hostage askeladd was sad and disappointed,he didn't want to do it,he wanted to respect his promise.,that shows that he really respected thors. Shit, I haven't really notice till this point. Thanks for pointing out how bad of a character askeladd is as well. He kills people as a living but he respects thors for not killing people, what a joke of a characterization lmao. Anyway ok, he might have had a slightly better chance of his plan succeeding that I thought. That doesn't change the grand scheme of things too much. What I proposed is still a safer route imo. But whatever, I'm genuinely tired of this, if u still think thorfinn, thors and whoever else are great characters after all the discussions, so be it, have fun watching this for me as well. You gave every k-on garbage a 9, and you wanna talk about how THIS series has badly written characters? GFO you fucking faggot. Chill dude, clearly the anime isn't for them. It's their loss if they're willing to write off an anime based on poorly-written characters after 6 episodes. Personally, you need to give it a little more time if you're going to come to that sort of conclusion. |
Aug 16, 2019 3:48 PM
#291
Aug 16, 2019 4:39 PM
#292
vhagar8 said: Esquirtit said: @vhagar8 Omg, you said Thorfinn wanting revenge is poor characterization and that it doesn't make sense. Me having poor comprehension? LOOK BACK AT YOUR REPLIES. It's not my fault your criticism is all over the place because you never even grasped what the story is about. At first you didn't even understand anything about the Vikings beliefs and now you're saying a little child not abiding its rules when his dad sacrificed his life to save him and everyone else is "poorly delivered"? I can't be bothered you just aren't able to appreciate complex character writing fucking hell dude. Please in what universe do people hate a man who just saved not only their own life but also their families. Did you not see the reaction of the young men and Ericson? Are they poorly handled as well? OR FUCKING HUMANE CHARACTERS. THEY WENT WITH THORS BELIEVING THEY WERE THE SHIT, AND GOT FACED WITH REALITY. THEY WEREN'T REAL SAVAGE VIKINGS ESPECIALLY NOT A FUCKING 6 YR OLD And what is this? Humans can't "sense" something? Do you lack any self-awareness or are you just being ridiculous for fun ? You also fail to understand that Thors had to die no matter what otherwise his village would get slaughtered instead. You admit again you didn't pay any attention and just keep talking out your ass. Thors plan was to leave everyone behind with Ericson at the place where they got ambushed so they could go back to their village. I'll just leave it as this, you either like how Thorfinn's understanding of the world has been completely broken or just want him to be a one dimensional edgelord. I tried to explain this again to u but it seems you're beyond help. Sure I'm not able to appreciate these "complex" characters. Now stop quoting me I'm tired of talking to retards. You're the only retarded one here. |
Aug 16, 2019 5:11 PM
#293
@vhagar8 Last time lol. You DO not get it. Not at all. Thorfinn wanting to avenge his father is his own will, killing Askeladd in a fair duel is in his own self-interest because he believes it will satisfy him the most. It's not the author's fault because as you can see everyone else understood it and came to their conclusions. Your way of thinking; Thorfinn wanting revenge in a fair duel is dumb because by Viking standards his dad was trash. Are Floki and Askeladd honourable men by Viking standards? Not really, because in literally every group of people who share the same beliefs, some will defy them to serve their own. This era was dirty as fuck. You don't seem to grasp that and go so far as to project "Viking morals" onto these characters to exemplify why they are " poorly written", pretentious on a whole other level after admitting not even having a grasp of "Viking morals" while watching. You're a joke my guy. It's quite obvious all of the main cast will have some sort of individualistic views and sense of the world around them. |
poop |
Aug 17, 2019 1:44 AM
#294
The brutality, chaos and violence is really top notch this episode! Thorfinn is now getting good in killing! he might surpass his father but totally wrecked inside... 5/5. |
Aug 17, 2019 1:15 PM
#295
TsukuyomiREKT said: vhagar8 said: Esquirtit said: @vhagar8 Omg, you said Thorfinn wanting revenge is poor characterization and that it doesn't make sense. Me having poor comprehension? LOOK BACK AT YOUR REPLIES. It's not my fault your criticism is all over the place because you never even grasped what the story is about. At first you didn't even understand anything about the Vikings beliefs and now you're saying a little child not abiding its rules when his dad sacrificed his life to save him and everyone else is "poorly delivered"? I can't be bothered you just aren't able to appreciate complex character writing fucking hell dude. Please in what universe do people hate a man who just saved not only their own life but also their families. Did you not see the reaction of the young men and Ericson? Are they poorly handled as well? OR FUCKING HUMANE CHARACTERS. THEY WENT WITH THORS BELIEVING THEY WERE THE SHIT, AND GOT FACED WITH REALITY. THEY WEREN'T REAL SAVAGE VIKINGS ESPECIALLY NOT A FUCKING 6 YR OLD And what is this? Humans can't "sense" something? Do you lack any self-awareness or are you just being ridiculous for fun ? You also fail to understand that Thors had to die no matter what otherwise his village would get slaughtered instead. You admit again you didn't pay any attention and just keep talking out your ass. Thors plan was to leave everyone behind with Ericson at the place where they got ambushed so they could go back to their village. I'll just leave it as this, you either like how Thorfinn's understanding of the world has been completely broken or just want him to be a one dimensional edgelord. I tried to explain this again to u but it seems you're beyond help. Sure I'm not able to appreciate these "complex" characters. Now stop quoting me I'm tired of talking to retards. You're the only retarded one here. Probably the most contestable thing I have ever witnessed. And I have played a lot of Flag Domination. ---- Y'all, I present you!: The brutality, chaos and violence is really top notch this episode! 5/5. The target audience. |
Re:formed |
Aug 17, 2019 11:40 PM
#296
Why would I care about how realistic an action is in an anime. It's anime ffs, not a live action show. Anime characters will always be superhuman, even if that show was about samurais. |
LalatinaDarknessAug 17, 2019 11:47 PM
Aug 18, 2019 12:20 AM
#297
this anime growing on me maybe its because I'm watching Vikings so far I like it |
Aug 18, 2019 2:07 AM
#298
Awwww, that is so sweet seeing Thorfinn so healthy. HE GOOD BOI! |
"The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
Aug 18, 2019 4:48 AM
#299
LalatinaDarkness said: Why would I care about how realistic an action is in an anime. It's anime ffs, not a live action show. Anime characters will always be superhuman, even if that show was about samurais. The high-quality series which managed to produce a decent narrative and believable, not stretching beyond the constraints of "realism" action sequences, would like to have a word with y'all. |
Re:formed |
Aug 18, 2019 6:49 AM
#300
That senile old lady made a grave mistake, the english girl was the true voice of reason, they should've said the truth about thorfinn to a soldier. Now what can you do, at least he told them to run away in english too. This episode was great, love the atmosphere and the raw feelings of the characters and the raw action 5/5 |
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