| So by the look of things, Sarazanmai might be the most polarizing shows to air in quite some time. The only one that I can thing of that competes is Pop Team Epic. I went into the season really excited about what the show had to offer based on the creators and the PVs. Sadly after episode two iv'e realized that more often than not im finding myself more confused than anything while watching. Ive seen tons of mixed reaction but i'd like to know if im missing something or is it simply not my cup oif tea. |
| Idk, I'm really loving the show. Some people really love Ikuhara's brand of storytelling, some don't. I don't think it's as dense or hard to read as some people make it out to be. I think you can take the story quite literally. But I do think if you're just finding the show confusing and unenjoyable it's probably not your cup. Part of the fun of Ikuhara's work is theorizing and pulling apart threads. Some people enjoy that, and some don't. It doesn't say anything about the person, it's just the way people like to interact with stories. |
| Dropped it after episode 3. Art and music is nice - MAPPA. (Only the char design for the 2 soccer boys main chars I don't like.) Comedy is fun at first. (The funny transformation and stuff.) Gets repetetive fast. Same with the episodic stories. And always transformation and the police guys acting in an overly dramatical way in the meeting. The bigger story hinted at does not seem too interesting. With crossdressing, homosexuality - it feels like there are too much controversial/monority stuff people forced into the plot on purpose. The main problem is the type of storytelling. Doing it in a "normal" way without being too fancy (i. e. not too colorful, notransformation in an overly comedy/funny way, police guys acting normal in their meeting, ...) -I'd prefer that. Never watched anything from that director. But trying to avoid him for the future. Glad we have at least Watanabe + Bones + original work - which proves to be a good combo this season. (Don't like the adaptions from Bones. Original works are their best. And I liked other MAPPA anime with other directors cause "technically" regarding music and visuals the studio usually delivers - though Dororo is weaker as well cause of the plot - boring source material I guess.) And I don't need tons of pages of thread for interpretation. Good anime are entertaining without it and explain the basic stuff while watching 1 time without having to pause and write a novel about every 5 mins in a thread. |
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| I really liked Sarazanmai a lot at first, but after the second episode, it became repetitive. |
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TuryuriOwO said: I really liked Sarazanmai a lot at first, but after the second episode, it became repetitive. Welcome to Ikuhara shows. One of his trademarks is heavy reuse of same or similar animation sequences. |
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| I haven't watch Sarazanmai yet, but judging by the others shows Ikuhara has made, specially the last one, Yuri Kuma Arashi, i think his animes has become every day more and more of an acquired test. |
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| Honestly Sarazanmai so far just seems like a love letter to Ikuhara fans and while all of us seem to love it I feel like younger anime viewers and are people who are accustomed to typical modern seasonal shows aren't really feeling it. Honestly I blame the low score on the fact that most people just thought it looked cool and haven't watched Utena, Penguindrum, or Yuri Kuma and were caught of guard when really this is what you should've known you were getting coming in. |
CripborneApr 28, 2019 7:51 PM
| 7 isn't a low score, you should see the score of the buddhas anime. |
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| Its just an interesting way to tell the story. First 10 minutes = Plot building Next 8 minutes = Funny weird shit Last 2 minutes = Suspense cliffhanger I'm probably gonna completely watch cuz this season is so so anyways |
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| Eh this is yuri kuma arashi all over again. No thanks |
strutterf said: Yes, please tell us about your superior taste...yes not everyone has taste |
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huubi said: strutterf said: yes not everyone has taste I honestly am a little confused at how so many People say Utena is one of the best anime ever but give Sarazanmai a 6 or 7 because it's "repetetive". Oh, yes. I think that problem lies in the cult of Utena. This people can't just said "Utena is repetitive I think it's crappy and deserves only 6-7" because Utena already is classic. Telling that every rose has its thorn not so easy (except antisocial rebel teens of course). But Sarazanmai? Well, Sarazanmai just another ongoing tv show for them. It's not the famous-ultra-best-top10-must see-must love. In other words not so much people who really think that Utena is one of the best anime ever, even if they say so... |
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| I’m enjoying Sarazanmai to some degree, but I’m not very enthusiastic about it as some of Ikuhara’s older works. For now, it is at least better than his latest series Yuri Kuma, which I thought was a letdown from start to end. Honestly, so far the series feels like a rehash of Penguindrum (with 13 episodes less and not as good). Also, compare to the first 3 episodes of Penguindrum (or Shoujo Kakumei Utena for matter fact), the first 3 episodes of this series aren’t really that great. Hopefully it gets better, but right now (3 episodes in out of 11) I’m not feeling it as much as I would like too... |
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| Besides the story, which I can see why might be confusing or "bad" for those who aren't in abstract or artsy type of anime, I still think the show has a lot going for it. From the smooth and amazing animation, to the character interaction, the background, the designs, the musical score, they are all above average. I honestly am not a fan of penguindrum as there are plenty of potholes, even if you read between the lines, as well as a lot of very boring and slow moments. As opposed to @zero-r states, I think the first three episodes of Saranzanmai are actually better than penguindrums'. Paces is certainly far better, and there have already been some very satisfying reveals and twists... and I'm honestly curious on how it's a "rehash" of penguindrum. The only thing I see in common with it is that there is the use of the 2d people...? The character as already so different from those in penguindrum; even the idol on the big screen plays a different role from the two on penguin. |
DropOfLoveMay 2, 2019 3:21 AM
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| Never heard of this, but it looks pretty cute. I'll give it a try sometime. Anyways, it's okay if something ain't your thing. Leaves more time to try other anime out :). |
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bitchassdarius said: Interesting takeSarazanmai isn't that hard to comprehend. It's been fairly straightforward about its narrative of desire, both unfulfilled and repressed, the only thing that's difficult is the way it's being presented. Most criticisms I've seen read like the people who have written them have never engaged with anything challenging and want everything they interact with to be immediately digestible. Great example of how intellectual lazy these criticisms are: the second review you see on MAL starts with a fucking Richard Feynman quote. It's an anime review, how much more ironically pseudointellectual can you get? Yeah, I'm fucking mad, and yeah I'm an idiot for expecting more from the "anime community." If you don't like it, fine, but accusing this show of being pretentious, having empty symbolism, being self-indulgent etc. just betrays your own lack of mental capability. It's not that difficult, your stubborn refusal engage is. |
| I basically love Ikuhara's entire catalog (and surrealism in general), but I can understand why someone wouldn't be into his works. They tend to be pretty divisive anyway. If you don't get it, don't worry about it and move on. |
Luthandorius said: Art and music is nice - MAPPA. (Only the char design for the 2 soccer boys main chars I don't like.) I liked other MAPPA anime with other directors cause "technically" regarding music and visuals the studio usually delivers Until now, no episode was produced by this studio, if I remember well. |
| I watched the first episode with a friend and I first I was enjoying it, but then came the scene when they take that ball thing from the monster's ass and I just couldn't watch anymore. I know it's symbolism for... something, but I only found it disgusting. A bit of a shame since I enjoyed Mawaru Penguindrum (even though I only understood like less than half of the show XD) but yeah, there is many people that don't like this type of show. And even if you are a fan of the autor's works (who seems to be quite popular, I didn't knew) you are not forced to like all his works. |
| you either like ikuhara's stuff, or you don't. |
| that's the whole point of this show to confuse you to fully enjoy it, you have to NOT take it seriously |
KorhalChild said: it's not a symbolism... ur supposed to take this series with a truck full of saltI watched the first episode with a friend and I first I was enjoying it, but then came the scene when they take that ball thing from the monster's ass and I just couldn't watch anymore. I know it's symbolism for... something, but I only found it disgusting. A bit of a shame since I enjoyed Mawaru Penguindrum (even though I only understood like less than half of the show XD) but yeah, there is many people that don't like this type of show. And even if you are a fan of the autor's works (who seems to be quite popular, I didn't knew) you are not forced to like all his works. |
Tsukizono said: oh ok so anyone who don't agree with you is trollingttcchen said: that's the whole point of this show to confuse you to fully enjoy it, you have to NOT take it seriously Not true. I don't know whether you're trying to troll, but either way you're clearly unfamiliar with the director's works. The themes are pretty clear and the plot is also pretty clear, I have no idea why it's supposedly "confusing" for people. Sure, there's some absurd and surrealistic elements, but all of Ikuhara's shows thus far have a central message which requires deeper analysis. har har very funny |
Tsukizono said: I'm not even going to respond to that because it's pointless anyway. You said it was "the whole point of the show" to confuse you but I stated that it wasn't the case because it had obvious themes and messages. That's not disagreeing with you, that's correcting you. I have not seen creators, especially Ikuhara, make shows to confuse people. we're not talking about corrections and who's right and who's wrong. we're talking about labeling anyone who doesn't agree with you as "trolls". Troll is an insult. And you want me to take an insult to the face and just accept it like a pathetic fool? Oh no, fuck you. |
ttcchen said: we're not talking about corrections and who's right and who's wrong. we're talking about labeling anyone who doesn't agree with you as "trolls". Troll is an insult. And you want me to take an insult to the face and just accept it like a pathetic fool? Oh no, fuck you. Oh yeah, "I don't know whether you're trying to troll, but" is a really nasty insult and awful of him to say I hope you're okay after that buddy. If it means anything I reported him to the mods for you ! |
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KorhalChild said: I watched the first episode with a friend and I first I was enjoying it, but then came the scene when they take that ball thing from the monster's ass and I just couldn't watch anymore. I know it's symbolism for... something, but I only found it disgusting. In fact, due to the concept of psychoanalysis that ikuhara is using around the butts. You're supposed to feel disgusted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_stage So I guess that thing is doing its job well at being uncomfortable to watch xD. |
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Tsukizono said: well my sarcasm should be pretty obvious that i was offended by the trolling partttcchen said: we're not talking about corrections and who's right and who's wrong. we're talking about labeling anyone who doesn't agree with you as "trolls". Troll is an insult. And you want me to take an insult to the face and just accept it like a pathetic fool? Oh no, fuck you. Apologies, then, it seems like I went too far by saying that. I'd appreciate it if you made it clear next time that my comment offended you and being a "troll" was not your intention instead of insulting me back. I didn't mean to accuse you of being a "troll", I wasn't sure whether you were one since you were saying something that was obviously untrue and lacking in research or evidence to back up. also, as someone who watched ikuhara's work for the first time and only saw 5 weird episodes of a weird af anime what i said is my opinion and if it's untrue u can't really blame me not everyone who judged an anime wrong is a troll PLUS im not wrong in saying that u can't be serious if u wanna enjoy ikuhara's work u just gotta get rid of that critic side of u and just enjoy it as it is |
stray_stoat said: huubi said: I honestly am a little confused at how so many People say Utena is one of the best anime ever but give Sarazanmai a 6 or 7 because it's "repetetive". Oh, yes. I think that problem lies in the cult of Utena. This people can't just said "Utena is repetitive I think it's crappy and deserves only 6-7" because Utena already is classic. Telling that every rose has its thorn not so easy (except antisocial rebel teens of course). But Sarazanmai? Well, Sarazanmai just another ongoing tv show for them. It's not the famous-ultra-best-top10-must see-must love. In other words not so much people who really think that Utena is one of the best anime ever, even if they say so... Or it may be the opposite. People aren't able to see if something is good by themselves. That's why it's always easy to know that a classic is good or not, because a lot of people already gave their opinion. That is why they fall into contradictions, because they don't have their own criteria. |
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bitchassdarius said: Sarazanmai isn't that hard to comprehend. It's been fairly straightforward about its narrative of desire, both unfulfilled and repressed, the only thing that's difficult is the way it's being presented. Most criticisms I've seen read like the people who have written them have never engaged with anything challenging and want everything they interact with to be immediately digestible. Great example of how intellectual lazy these criticisms are: the second review you see on MAL starts with a fucking Richard Feynman quote. It's an anime review, how much more ironically pseudointellectual can you get? Yeah, I'm fucking mad, and yeah I'm an idiot for expecting more from the "anime community." If you don't like it, fine, but accusing this show of being pretentious, having empty symbolism, being self-indulgent etc. just betrays your own lack of mental capability. It's not that difficult, your stubborn refusal engage is. THANKS! Someone had to say it |
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