| Can anyone tell me why some fans are critical of SHAFT animation? I looked at some of their animation and they are not really that bad despite some stills needed a bit more polish and shine. |
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| because its more slide show than animation xD |
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| They are not bad, animation of monogatari series by them is great. But that's all. And in the end everything you watch from them is like a part of monogatari series. Maelstrom said: it's like queen bee of hentai. Am i like the only one who actually likes queen bee animation ? |
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| Shafts are usually censored in anime so there's not really much to critique. yes this is a joke |
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| Yea they arent really bad. Their Nisekoi and Denpa Onna are quite good for me. |
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| Because SHAFT is cancer that should be eradicated from the planet. Have you seen the Meguca memes btw? |
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| Shaft the f*** up!!!! Okay... bye.. |
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Maelstrom said: romagia said: exactly, it's like queen bee of hentai. because its more slide show than animation xD their art is great but the way they move, animation, is very slow and it's just 5-6 frames repeated followed by very fast VAs which results in inaccurate representation of what is actually happening because of the slow animation. on top of this most of their scenes begin from right side and gradually move to left to uncover the characters. it's really dissatisfying I will admit that is somewhat annoying but as for the actual animation, I rarely notice how slow it actually is. |
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Swagernator said: worry not Swag Maelstrom said: Am i like the only one who actually likes queen bee animation ? it's like queen bee of hentai. you aren't a special snowflake my friend @Darkuszow likes them |
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| I don't like how they animate their anime It's just a question of taste and preferences |
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| I've got nothing with their animation but I don't really like their.... style. Id. |
| They're usually good and the fact they have a singular style is refreshing. However their style is innately divisive, they completely tank some series(Nadeko arc, Mekakucity Actors), and sometimes they pigeonhole their style into shows that aren't exactly optimal for it(Nisekoi) |
| I'm SHAFT fan , they have animated many popular series such as Modaka , Monogatari Series and March Comes in Like a Lion more recently... It is true that Shaft animated works are usually heavily narrated and have few actions scenes when compared to other works I guess. I understand why some people don't like it but it is quite a distinctive signature from other studios nowadays. |
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| Shaft is the only studio that actually managed to make me drop ae show simply because of how jarring the visuals were. Out of six shows I tried to watch, I dropped four. The other two (Denpa Onna and Koufuku Graffiti) were great, though. |
| I don't know about animation and stuff like that man , but personally I've loved almost everything I've seen from Shaft , Monogatari Series , Nisekoi , 3gatsu no Lion , Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei ... , but yeah maybe some people don't like Akiyuki Shinbo's weird style? also, people tend to hate popular things because popular things suck don't they? |
| I love 3-gatsu no lion but the animation is really shit (but I don't mind the animation) |
| No idea. I love those fucking neck tilts. |
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KouhaiHasNoticed said: I'm SHAFT fan , they have animated many popular series such as Modaka , Monogatari Series and March Comes in Like a Lion more recently... It is true that Shaft animated works are usually heavily narrated and have few actions scenes when compared to other works I guess. I understand why some people don't like it but it is quite a distinctive signature from other studios nowadays. He's talking about the animation tho and saying that people dislike Shaft cause "few action scenes and much talk" is thinking way too highly of them |
| Maybe their brains can't follow the story when they do fast changing camera angles combined with headtilts, twirls, etc. |
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| People see that a lot of their shows are unconventional and wacky in terms of animation and directing, but instead of recognizing that it's just a stylistic chose, they prefer to label the shows as pretentious and up their own ass. |
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| Personally I'm a fan of shaft their work is limited, but has a good quality and also san gatsu no lion is an absolute beauty |
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| >Downgrade low-tier budget since Last/Encore... plus more deadpan meta-UmU memes.. (Considered it absurdity carbon-copy of MEGUCA.... without mahou shoujo.. edgy stuff) Well since it's fate people were getting used to it in this iffy fanbase.. Care to ask more Factual answer peasant? I don't think so... Since FUN is BAD... Literally |
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| Random visuals and empty dialogues. How to portray a bad show and makes it appear like it's deep by flooding the show with complicated dialogue that actually mean nothing and with strange camera angle that bring absolutely fuck all to the show. It's the only studio I seriously think to drop their show because of how jarring the visual are. It took me 3 years to watch 3 episode of Ef. The most visually disgusting anime I've watched recently. They destroyed 3-gatsu no lion with their nonsensical visual and its empty monologue. |
Hrybami said: They destroyed 3-gatsu no lion with their nonsensical visual and its empty monologue. I haven't seen 3 gatsu, but I've seen other staff done by Shaft so I know what you're saying. That may happen but it's not entirely their fault though. We as viewers also take a huge part in giving visuals or monologue meaning too. Things are "nonsensical or empty" because we want them to be, and so "they are". |
| Hrybami's post is an example of what I'm talking about. |
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nbyung09 said: Hrybami said: They destroyed 3-gatsu no lion with their nonsensical visual and its empty monologue. I haven't seen 3 gatsu, but I've seen other staff done by Shaft so I know what you're saying. That may happen but it's not entirely their fault though. We as viewers also take a huge part in giving visuals or monologue meaning too. Things are "nonsensical or empty" because we want them to be, and so "they are". I understand that i'm responsible for thinking the monologue is empty, but I have to say that the show is also responsible for letting the character speaking to himself for 2/3 of the episode just for saying something that can be said in a few minutes at max. |
| People don't like SHAFT? *head tilts* that's odd. *switches to a text card that reads "I don't know"* |
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| I like the art of shaft, what I personally can't stand is their editing. Just feels like watching random shit happen, them and studio trigger could learn a thing or to about pacing tbh |
| It's fair to critique Shaft's animation because barring some highs like HidaSketch x365, Nisemonogatari, Kizumonogatari or Madoka (and some specific episodes where outside connections would allow for above-average productions), there's not really much animation to speak of. Now, if you mean their visual style that's a whole different story and it's got more to do with people's usual train of thought where different always equals bad. |
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| SHAFT does have a unique approach to visuals, I can see why it is jarring for some and excellent for others. |
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| I usually like SHAFT but can see why their stuff is not for everyone. Their editing can be very out of the box and people tend to not like that. Their actual animation is nothing special either. |
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| shaft has pretty art... the consequence is that their animation suffer becuase of it... |
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Menzo- said: Why would they censor enclosed vertical passages in buildings?Shafts are usually censored in anime so there's not really much to critique. yes this is a joke :PPPPPPP |
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romagia said: because its more slide show than animation xD ^This And overuse of colors, filters, abstract (aka non-sensical) imagery etc. It can work for some series, but others suffer from it. |
| well now i'm curious https://myanimelist.net/anime/producer/44/Shaft Madoka Magica - watched, disliked for story reasons. the visuals...well, they work well, I guess. I just wasn't a huge fan of the feel they created, but they were certainly striking and I can't think of a criticism of them beyond the role of their design in presenting the story. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei - watched a bit of. I also remember this for its striking visuals. I was reasonably entertained by this show, too, so if we're just talking about (the animation of) SHAFT, I guess I can dig it, given the right context. Arakawa Under the Bridge - watched a bit of, dropped. Ground Control to Psychoelectric Girl - PTW ef series - PTW Rec - may PTW? Hidamari Sketch - may PTW? but I think I'd go for Sketchbook first This Ugly Yet Beautiful World - PTW |
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rsc-pl said: kizumonogatari was visually excellent, especially the character design, and the 3d background art was gorgeous. If you don't like singular arts i can see why you wouldnt like shaft though.Their older series were actually pretty good (and way more creative, I would recommend anyone who loves creative comedy to watch Tsukuyomi - with Mahou subs). Even monogatari (TV series) is nice on its own way. But their latest productions sucks ass in terms of art and animation. Too much ugly 3DCG. Kizumono was almost unwatchable. Besides Tsukuyomi, I loved their art and animation in Denpa Onna, Ef, Natsu no Arashi and Nisekoi. |
rsc-pl said: their latest productions sucks ass in terms of art and animation You don't like shaft, you liked shaft. |
| I kinda view them how I do Kyoani, Trigger, and old-Gainax. But somehow with the more low grade stuff Gainax would do like His and Her Circumstances.... but not as low as Trigger will go like with Inferno Cop (but that was funny). Mostly, they are great for getting to know animator quirks and having a uniform identity. The big difference though is, Kyoani, unlike the other companies, are all visuals and tech demos and are the slice of life equivalent of Akira. Only in Kyoani's case, they are constantly competing in my head with a studio i think is much better than them because they are making movies and not TV shows and that is Ghibli. "You don't like Shaft, you liked Shaft" Another company that is fairly Otaku oriented is Studio Deen, but unlike the others, their "identity" is less consistent do to ever changing staff. Some people really do not like the same work being made over and over with different sprinkles. And I think with good reason. But other people do. Which is why frequently, you will see people love Gunbuster, Otaku no Video, Evangelion, His and Her Circumstances, , FLCL, and Cutey Honey (usually a shared like). And Trigger fans start with FLCL, Gurren Laggan, Panty Stocking (usually a shared like between both groups) when it comes to Gainax works. This is simply because of the animators being different though. And then, both groups of fans drop off, because the Gainax/Trigger split but also Khara exists.... kinda. So why wouldn't they like Shaft? Animators. Possibly a talent change out. You probably have a more consistent love of a key animator, who seems like a small part of the production, than you do with a studio. |
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orario_ said: Am I the only one nowadays that doesn't give 2 shits about the anime studio? I mean I've never chosen to watch an anime or rejected another based on which was the studio that produced it. I've never bothered to check out the studio's name before starting an anime. No you aren't. I check the animators myself. "What is the talent in this production?" You really start getting to know certain animator's quirks when you do that and what people frequently work together. |
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| I think that their animation is pretty good and delightful. Their art is pretty-mediocre though It's a matter of taste. |
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| I always thought they were pretty decent animators myself but I do notice that they seem to leave out some key details at times.I guess it is a matter of taste. |
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| I have no problem with slide show animation, but when you make a bunch of seasons with that 'art style' people will be quite bored with it. |
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