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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- No thread for the conclusion to a classic as great as this turned out to be? I'm shocked. Going into it, I expected nothing. The TV series had only been good when the focus was on episodic silliness, where nothing advanced. The first movie provided more in the way of drama but was repetitive and didn't satisfy me; not showing any intimacy between Kyosuke and Madoka. In stark contrast, I can't think of anything Summer's Beginning failed to give me that I wanted to see. It started with Kyosuke having a dream about his first time with Madoka, and though I was initially disappointed to discover it wasn't real, what would follow left me with no complaints. Every aspect of their relationship was dealt with, maturely - ranging from losing their virginity to Hikaru's relationship with the two being repaired. Madoka creating a song for Kyosuke, in memory of their first time, was touching, and Kyosuke's sincere pre-sex confession of love for her both put a smile on my face and moved me. The artwork - changed from a charming but unrealistic old school style to a a far more realistic one; without the clumps of hair - suggested the finish to KOR would be far more adult in tone than the childish antics that went before, and the writing matched the visuals. Hikaru - the once stalkerish, hateful third wheel of the story - had matured completely when she reappeared at 22; no longer acting like a child and screaming "Darling!", and actually being considerate. Instead of forcing herself on Kyosuke, she stopped after he mumbled "Ayukawa" in his sleep, and Madoka's exchange with her in the morning only further highlighted how different she'd become. I actually still can't believe how the movie turned a hate-worthy, boyish-looking character into a stunner with sweetness and a mature head on her shoulders... What made the film great for me were the mature conversations, which differed greatly from the immaturity that had occurred previously. An adult, 22-year-old Madoka teasing the still a virgin 19-year-old Kyosuke; both versions of Kyosuke joking with each other about not sleeping with Hikaru, as well as the 'first time' experience the 19-year-old Kyosuke still hadn't had; the 22-year-old versions of Kyosuke and Madoka playfully arguing, and Madoka refusing to have sex with him until he remembers when he stopped calling her Ayukawa; and, of course, the loss of virginity bit at the end, where Kyosuke reverted to his old ways and started searching for a condom after Madoka pondered about the possibility of their baby being an esper. Everything was golden. Honestly, KOR wasn't the best of TV series and provided little for me to get excited over. But Summer's Beginning has made me think that it was all worthwhile, and I can't tell you how happy I am that - by chance - I own it on DVD. 7.6 average? TOO LOW! I'm going with 9/10. |
Aironic said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- No thread for the conclusion to a classic as great as this turned out to be? I'm shocked. Going into it, I expected nothing. The TV series had only been good when the focus was on episodic silliness, where nothing advanced. The first movie provided more in the way of drama but was repetitive and didn't satisfy me; not showing any intimacy between Kyosuke and Madoka. In stark contrast, I can't think of anything Summer's Beginning failed to give me that I wanted to see. It started with Kyosuke having a dream about his first time with Madoka, and though I was initially disappointed to discover it wasn't real, what would follow left me with no complaints. Every aspect of their relationship was dealt with, maturely - ranging from losing their virginity to Hikaru's relationship with the two being repaired. Madoka creating a song for Kyosuke, in memory of their first time, was touching, and Kyosuke's sincere pre-sex confession of love for her both put a smile on my face and moved me. The artwork - changed from a charming but unrealistic old school style to a a far more realistic one; without the clumps of hair - suggested the finish to KOR would be far more adult in tone than the childish antics that went before, and the writing matched the visuals. Hikaru - the once stalkerish, hateful third wheel of the story - had matured completely when she reappeared at 22; no longer acting like a child and screaming "Darling!", and actually being considerate. Instead of forcing herself on Kyosuke, she stopped after he mumbled "Ayukawa" in his sleep, and Madoka's exchange with her in the morning only further highlighted how different she'd become. I actually still can't believe how the movie turned a hate-worthy, boyish-looking character into a stunner with sweetness and a mature head on her shoulders... What made the film great for me were the mature conversations, which differed greatly from the immaturity that had occurred previously. An adult, 22-year-old Madoka teasing the still a virgin 19-year-old Kyosuke; both versions of Kyosuke joking with each other about not sleeping with Hikaru, as well as the 'first time' experience the 19-year-old Kyosuke still hadn't had; the 22-year-old versions of Kyosuke and Madoka playfully arguing, and Madoka refusing to have sex with him until he remembers when he stopped calling her Ayukawa; and, of course, the loss of virginity bit at the end, where Kyosuke reverted to his old ways and started searching for a condom after Madoka pondered about the possibility of their baby being an esper. Everything was golden. Honestly, KOR wasn't the best of TV series and provided little for me to get excited over. But Summer's Beginning has made me think that it was all worthwhile, and I can't tell you how happy I am that - by chance - I own it on DVD. 7.6 average? TOO LOW! I'm going with 9/10. Yeah, and I'm kicking myself now having took so long to finally see this movie. It turned out to be even better than the movie before it and was just what the the TV series failed to be, thoughtful and mature. And, yeah, Hikaru was one of the most impressive characters to me admittedly starting with her appearance. Also, as Aronic said she ,as well as the Madoka's and Kyosuke's older selves, displayed a maturity not seen in the TV series. No where was this more apparent that the scene where Madoka found Hikaru and Kyosuke in the hotel room. Cue typical misunderstanding right? No, Madoka did the mature thing and actually trusted her best friend. How incredibly refreshing. 9/10 as well. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I'm a big fan of the TV series, and I agree that the goodness comes from the silliness that nothing advanced. But having a closure in Shin was risky but really well done. I liked the way the characters are more honest with their feelings now (it's no longer a sticky love triangle that none of them refuses to admit anything) and have more mature responses to conversations and situations. Really liked the piano pieces too, never thought it sounded that good. 8/10 for me. |
| that's what you can call proper ending for love story with everything included :) Btw> she had laptop at 1994? wow at that time i didn't even have desktop PC it was so expecive just to buy slow crap PC with crt monitor and she had laptop damn that could have cost like a car XD |
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| At least I get some closure 6/10 |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
xsilicon9 said: Was Madoka a virgin also ? If KOR wasn't a self-insert masturbatory fantasy for Izumi Matsumoto then no, but sadly it is. It makes her more "pure" for perverted otaku obsessed with female virginity (Izumi Matsumoto and KOR fans of course) despite this completely conflicting with her delinquent history and flirtatious personality. Seriously though, if KOR were *real* then there's no way Madoka would be a virgin. |
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| What a great conclusion to the KOR franchise. They handled this movie very maturely and it will be weird watching the ovas now since I skipped them. I wont deny that there was a feeling of trepidation before I started watching the movie because I was afraid of getting disappointed, but it turned out to be very satisfying. Well I was hoping we get to see Ayukawa and Kasuga getting married and having kids but oh well it was already satisfying nonetheless. Although probably what I found most satisfying in this movie was the fact that all three of them remained friends. Gotta watch the ovas now to cure this post-anime depression. |
AsianKungFuApr 6, 2015 2:08 AM
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mugi said: Or she just didn't have sex yet. It happens, and doesn't matter. Anyway, good ending for KOR I guess but I definitely prefer the silly episodic series. I'm also not a fan of the artstyle in this movie. For otaku, it is a huge deal. |
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| Given Madoka's personality and character, it would be a huge contradiction if she wasn't a virgin. Sure she was a "delinquent" sort of, but she didn't come off as that type of girl; the real Madoka as we get to know her through out the story was the opposite of that. She didn't seem the type to sleep around. Not that it matters anyway, this was a great movie and one of my all time favorites. The way they handled the ending was very satisfying and also the music is beautiful along with the animation and character designs - I was very impressed! It's been so long since I last watched this movie (about 7 years I think), it's time to re-watch again... ;) |
AmphetamineAug 25, 2015 11:07 AM
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ooo333 said: xsilicon9 said: Was Madoka a virgin also ? sauveterre said: If KOR wasn't a self-insert masturbatory fantasy for Izumi Matsumoto then no, but sadly it is. It makes her more "pure" for perverted otaku obsessed with female virginity (Izumi Matsumoto and KOR fans of course) despite this completely conflicting with her delinquent history and flirtatious personality. Seriously though, if KOR were *real* then there's no way Madoka would be a virgin. I was wondering that too. I mean, look at these facts: -When the anime began and ended, age of consent back in the 80's and 90's over there was her age, maybe lower. So she could consent (they increased the age of consent around 2000) -She stayed late at night pretty much every day, specially the weekends. -She did drugs. -She drank alcohol. -She had friends with motor vehicles. -She partied at clubs. And im supposed to believe that she was "pure" all this time? Isnt this anime supposed to be "realistic" in a way? Come on. I know that the male MC isnt one because of that very dramatic episode where he got drunk with that singer chick. But yes, it does feel like she was made "pure" for anime fans. I agree with you for the most part except for the drugs bit. She didnt' do any drugs. That shit is taboo as hell in Japan and even weed is considered a hard drug by law there. Nowhere in the anime you see here doing drugs, only drinking. Also, I doubt Kyosuke lost his virginity during the anime. It's heavily implied in this movie that he was still a virgin. Amphetamine said: Given Madoka's personality and character, it would be a huge contradiction if she wasn't a virgin. Sure she was a "delinquent" sort of, but she didn't come off as that type of girl; the real Madoka as we get to know her through out the story was the opposite of that. She didn't seem the type to sleep around. Not that it matters anyway, this was a great movie and one of my all time favorites. The way they handled the ending was very satisfying and also the music is beautiful along with the animation and character designs - I was very impressed! It's been so long since I last watched this movie (about 7 years I think), it's time to re-watch again... ;) Not being a virgin doesn't mean someone sleeps around. Kyosuke could have had some competition in this series. I don't think anyone wanted to see Madoka interested in a low brow delinquent, but I find it's kinda hard to believe that Kyosuke of all guys, was the only one that interested her. Then again, that was probably the point of such a romance show for male audiences. What kind of straight guy wouldn't like to have a hot, talented and smart chick like Madoka interested in them? It's pretty much a fantasy. |
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| 15 years since I first watched this movie as a standalone... Feels so surreal listening to Kyosuke No 1 again. Doubt I'll ever forget this lovely melody. 100% agree with OP that this movie made it all worthwhile. I especially loved the transition in maturity that made our characters felt so grown up but yet still retained an innocence reminiscent of their persona in the tv series. The artstyle was a welcome change, very 90s like. It was a great end too. Forever a childhood classic for me. |
| oh fucking god this feels WAY too nostalgic already even after going on a binge recently downsides are the long flashbacks earlier, CGI (DEFINITELY) and OBVIOUSLY, THE ART STYLE (THAT AIN'T NO TAKADA AKEMI YO DOUG BRUH) but the UPsides are obviously the fact that THIS IS KIMAGURE ORANGE ROAD FUK SON THAT ENDING THE MEETING WITH THE OLDER KYOUSUKE THAT INVERSE OR YAHOO ARTICLE ABOUT 'the virgin-syndrome' IS TRUE SHEEEEEEEEEIT HE AND MADOKA DONE DID SEX BRUH YO I FEEL SO ACCOMPLISHED FUCK MAMBO NUMBER 5 KYOUSUKE NUMBER 1'S THE WAY TO GO FOR NOSTALGIA NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT CAN'T BE OVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH i see that they'll never forget about Jingoro yet they TOTALLY AXED Yuusaku AND ESPECIALLY USHIKO AND UMAO i'm fine without Yuusaku, but it would have been WAY nicer to see them instead of Hayakawa who just appeared for 2 fucking episodes |
| You guys are missing the greatest aspect of this anime, the change of Madoka from a yakuza chasing delinquent to an accepted member of society. All the kids avoided her at school, even Kyosuke’s pervy friends. She was an outcast. Her interest in Koysuke wasn’t just love based, he was her way to be accepted at school. A way for her back into society. No, she wasn’t a virgin. Remember the episode of the TV series where she brings him to the disco and people start giving her shit about being a slut? He defends her, but she stops him, since shes feels that she deserves it and is trying to repent for her sinful past. Kyosuke accepted this. Pretty much the best part about this anime. Though originally what I want to gripe about is that there was never a Orange Road: Afterstory for this. I want to see Hikaru move on and make it in life. |
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| Haven't watched it yet but had to comment, Synopsis: Lost in Bosnia???????????????????? Never in my fucking life did I think Bosnia would ever be mentioned in an anime. Probably because of the war since this was made soon after that the author used Bosnia as a setting. Well looking forward to seeing this and seeing how my parents country is represented lmfao. Edit: So I finished and bascially everything I think about this one is summed up in the first comment of the thread. A really good finished for a classic series, everything good about the TV Show was in this movie. It had a very mature tone and a great ending. 9/10 |
Salva252Oct 28, 2017 6:00 AM
Username23489023 said: You guys are missing the greatest aspect of this anime, the change of Madoka from a yakuza chasing delinquent to an accepted member of society. All the kids avoided her at school, even Kyosuke’s pervy friends. She was an outcast. Her interest in Koysuke wasn’t just love based, he was her way to be accepted at school. A way for her back into society. No, she wasn’t a virgin. Remember the episode of the TV series where she brings him to the disco and people start giving her shit about being a slut? He defends her, but she stops him, since shes feels that she deserves it and is trying to repent for her sinful past. Kyosuke accepted this. Pretty much the best part about this anime. Though originally what I want to gripe about is that there was never a Orange Road: Afterstory for this. I want to see Hikaru move on and make it in life. Her transition from delinquent to a normal girl was kinda sudden, though. Even in the manga it was a bit sudden. I think her past wasn't well explored enough. She was a virgin, yes. Nothing suggests otherwise. Having a reputation for something doesn't mean it's true. Madoka had several enemies so I'm sure many of them wanted to spread dirt about her. I loved this anime when I first watched it in 2008-2009(I was 18 years old at the time) and thus it has nostalgic value for me, but clearly it's not a very realistic romance story and Ayukawa is hardly a realistic female character, even for cartoon standards. I still like her, however. Salva252 said: Haven't watched it yet but had to comment, Synopsis: Lost in Bosnia???????????????????? Never in my fucking life did I think Bosnia would ever be mentioned in an anime. Probably because of the war since this was made soon after that the author used Bosnia as a setting. Well looking forward to seeing this and seeing how my parents country is represented lmfao. Edit: So I finished and bascially everything I think about this one is summed up in the first comment of the thread. A really good finished for a classic series, everything good about the TV Show was in this movie. It had a very mature tone and a great ending. 9/10 Kyosuke became a reporter iirc, so it's not odd for hum to have been sent to Bosnia in the early 90s when Yugoslavia was breaking apart in a conflict. But I get it. My jaw dropped the floor in that Kyosuke and Hikaru birthday episode... both of them share my bday. LOL talk abotu a funny coincidence. |
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Cowabunga said: Her transition from delinquent to a normal girl was kinda sudden, though. Even in the manga it was a bit sudden. I think her past wasn't well explored enough. She was a virgin, yes. Nothing suggests otherwise. Having a reputation for something doesn't mean it's true. Madoka had several enemies so I'm sure many of them wanted to spread dirt about her. I loved this anime when I first watched it in 2008-2009(I was 18 years old at the time) and thus it has nostalgic value for me, but clearly it's not a very realistic romance story and Ayukawa is hardly a realistic female character, even for cartoon standards. I still like her, however. I guess it depends on how you define virgin. In this movie when they were going to have sex, he reaches for the condoms, and she stops him. This implies losing your virginity is having unprotected sex. If you look at it that way, then I guess she was a virgin, but I consider losing your virginity is any kind of penile penetration of your vagina. She would have no need to feel guilty, or seek penance, if it wasn’t true. If it were one of her enemies, she would have fought them. She seems fairly realistic to me. Highly critical and does a lot of passive aggressive woman type stuff. |
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Username23489023 said: Cowabunga said: Her transition from delinquent to a normal girl was kinda sudden, though. Even in the manga it was a bit sudden. I think her past wasn't well explored enough. She was a virgin, yes. Nothing suggests otherwise. Having a reputation for something doesn't mean it's true. Madoka had several enemies so I'm sure many of them wanted to spread dirt about her. I loved this anime when I first watched it in 2008-2009(I was 18 years old at the time) and thus it has nostalgic value for me, but clearly it's not a very realistic romance story and Ayukawa is hardly a realistic female character, even for cartoon standards. I still like her, however. I guess it depends on how you define virgin. In this movie when they were going to have sex, he reaches for the condoms, and she stops him. This implies losing your virginity is having unprotected sex. If you look at it that way, then I guess she was a virgin, but I consider losing your virginity is any kind of penile penetration of your vagina. She would have no need to feel guilty, or seek penance, if it wasn’t true. If it were one of her enemies, she would have fought them. She seems fairly realistic to me. Highly critical and does a lot of passive aggressive woman type stuff. I didn't remember that part of the movie... idd they didn't use condoms. But that seems rather common in movies and tv shows, for people to have unprotected sex. Or we simply just don't see the guy putting the condom on most of the time. I had not thought about it that way. Btw, did you read KOR's manga? there's a chapter where Hikaru asks Madoka if she ever saw a penis and she doesn't answer her, as if she finds the question embarrassing or something. Considering how virginity and lack of romantic experience becomes something you don't like to admit once you're past 15 years old, I interpret that as Madoka being embarrassed to admit she never done anything like that yet. And the manga also had that anime scene of that couple telling Kyosuke about Madoka having a slutty reputation. And it's odd for her to have such a reputation, since those SAME people told her as they were leaving the club "you were known for not letting any guy near you and now look at you..." or something along those lines, meaning they were surprised to see her with a guy(Kyosuke). So I'm gonna believe they just wanted to get under Kyosuke's skin and make Madoka look bad in front of him. If she really did have romances before, then I wonder why it wasn't covered ever. I'd like to have known more about her past. It's like the anime/manga starts like that, telling us Madoka is a "bad girl" ... anda few chapters/episodes in that sorta is forgotten. Occasionally you'll get a chapter or a episode reminding you that she was once a delinquent... but you still don't learn much about her. Well, what is not realistic about her is her being super talented. She can play the sax, the piano and also seems to be a black belt in wtv martial arts she did. She fights pretty well for a teenage girl, considering you see her beating up guys who are older, more muscular and way taller than her. That and her being a virgin and only finding one guy attractive/interesting. She was sort of an early bloomer when it came to partying and drinking and she is more mature than your average teenager. So her being a virgin and waiting for Kyosuke to finally confess to her like 3-4 years later is rather unrealistic. No actual woman would be that goddamn patient. But, again, it's cartoons. |
CowabungaNov 17, 2017 4:43 PM
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Cowabunga said: Yeah I immediately realised why he got lost in bosnia. I mean the war was between 1992-1995 and the movie released in 1996 so it definetly made sense to let him get lost there as a reporter. Still I really didn't know what I was reading when I read Bosnia in an anime synopsis.Username23489023 said: You guys are missing the greatest aspect of this anime, the change of Madoka from a yakuza chasing delinquent to an accepted member of society. All the kids avoided her at school, even Kyosuke’s pervy friends. She was an outcast. Her interest in Koysuke wasn’t just love based, he was her way to be accepted at school. A way for her back into society. No, she wasn’t a virgin. Remember the episode of the TV series where she brings him to the disco and people start giving her shit about being a slut? He defends her, but she stops him, since shes feels that she deserves it and is trying to repent for her sinful past. Kyosuke accepted this. Pretty much the best part about this anime. Though originally what I want to gripe about is that there was never a Orange Road: Afterstory for this. I want to see Hikaru move on and make it in life. Her transition from delinquent to a normal girl was kinda sudden, though. Even in the manga it was a bit sudden. I think her past wasn't well explored enough. She was a virgin, yes. Nothing suggests otherwise. Having a reputation for something doesn't mean it's true. Madoka had several enemies so I'm sure many of them wanted to spread dirt about her. I loved this anime when I first watched it in 2008-2009(I was 18 years old at the time) and thus it has nostalgic value for me, but clearly it's not a very realistic romance story and Ayukawa is hardly a realistic female character, even for cartoon standards. I still like her, however. Salva252 said: Haven't watched it yet but had to comment, Synopsis: Lost in Bosnia???????????????????? Never in my fucking life did I think Bosnia would ever be mentioned in an anime. Probably because of the war since this was made soon after that the author used Bosnia as a setting. Well looking forward to seeing this and seeing how my parents country is represented lmfao. Edit: So I finished and bascially everything I think about this one is summed up in the first comment of the thread. A really good finished for a classic series, everything good about the TV Show was in this movie. It had a very mature tone and a great ending. 9/10 Kyosuke became a reporter iirc, so it's not odd for hum to have been sent to Bosnia in the early 90s when Yugoslavia was breaking apart in a conflict. But I get it. My jaw dropped the floor in that Kyosuke and Hikaru birthday episode... both of them share my bday. LOL talk abotu a funny coincidence. And btw RIP Madoka's voice actor Hiromi Tsuru :(............... |
Salva252 said: Cowabunga said: Yeah I immediately realised why he got lost in bosnia. I mean the war was between 1992-1995 and the movie released in 1996 so it definetly made sense to let him get lost there as a reporter. Still I really didn't know what I was reading when I read Bosnia in an anime synopsis.Her transition from delinquent to a normal girl was kinda sudden, though. Even in the manga it was a bit sudden. I think her past wasn't well explored enough. She was a virgin, yes. Nothing suggests otherwise. Having a reputation for something doesn't mean it's true. Madoka had several enemies so I'm sure many of them wanted to spread dirt about her. I loved this anime when I first watched it in 2008-2009(I was 18 years old at the time) and thus it has nostalgic value for me, but clearly it's not a very realistic romance story and Ayukawa is hardly a realistic female character, even for cartoon standards. I still like her, however. Kyosuke became a reporter iirc, so it's not odd for hum to have been sent to Bosnia in the early 90s when Yugoslavia was breaking apart in a conflict. But I get it. My jaw dropped the floor in that Kyosuke and Hikaru birthday episode... both of them share my bday. LOL talk abotu a funny coincidence. And btw RIP Madoka's voice actor Hiromi Tsuru :(............... Yeah, I know. Sucks for Madoka Ayukawa's voice to be gone forever now. |
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Cowabunga said: Salva252 said: Yeah I immediately realised why he got lost in bosnia. I mean the war was between 1992-1995 and the movie released in 1996 so it definetly made sense to let him get lost there as a reporter. Still I really didn't know what I was reading when I read Bosnia in an anime synopsis. And btw RIP Madoka's voice actor Hiromi Tsuru :(............... Yeah, I know. Sucks for Madoka Ayukawa's voice to be gone forever now. Voiced in so many iconic shows to. Maison Ikkoku, Ranma 1/2, Trigun, Kimagure Orange Road, Golden Boy, the Dragon ball Franchise and many more. I mean she shaped so many childhoods. I got genuinely sad and was pretty schocked when I found out she had passed away, and a pretty young age to. |
Salva252 said: Voiced in so many iconic shows to. Maison Ikkoku, Ranma 1/2, Trigun, Kimagure Orange Road, Golden Boy, the Dragon ball Franchise and many more. I mean she shaped so many childhoods. I got genuinely sad and was pretty schocked when I found out she had passed away, and a pretty young age to. Yeha she was Meryl Strife in Trigun. I never saw her as Bulma from DBZ... tbh DBZ was dubbed pretty much everywhere, so it's not like most people grew up with her as Bulma, so I have difficulty seeing her as Bulma. She'll always be Ayukawa first and foremost to me. I guess, at this point, we can forget about KOR ever getting a remake or some sort of revival. Not like it ever had a chance or anything, but even less does it have now. I mean sure Ayukawa could just get a new VA but it'd be odd. I feel like a part of KOR's soul has died now that Ayukawa's VA is gone. |
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Cowabunga said: Salva252 said: Voiced in so many iconic shows to. Maison Ikkoku, Ranma 1/2, Trigun, Kimagure Orange Road, Golden Boy, the Dragon ball Franchise and many more. I mean she shaped so many childhoods. I got genuinely sad and was pretty schocked when I found out she had passed away, and a pretty young age to. Yeha she was Meryl Strife in Trigun. I never saw her as Bulma from DBZ... tbh DBZ was dubbed pretty much everywhere, so it's not like most people grew up with her as Bulma, so I have difficulty seeing her as Bulma. She'll always be Ayukawa first and foremost to me. I guess, at this point, we can forget about KOR ever getting a remake or some sort of revival. Not like it ever had a chance or anything, but even less does it have now. I mean sure Ayukawa could just get a new VA but it'd be odd. I feel like a part of KOR's soul has died now that Ayukawa's VA is gone. I honestly don't think she's replaceable as the voice of Ayukawa. I feel like a reboot of KOR will lose a lot of the charm the original had. In a lot of ways I feel like Hiromi Tsuru was Madoka and like you said was part of KOR's soul which died a bit when she passed away. Moreover a reboot wasn't really realistic anyways. But the thought of it was certainly appealing. But I'd rather they didn't make one now that Madoka's VA is gone. |
Salva252 said: Cowabunga said: Yeha she was Meryl Strife in Trigun. I never saw her as Bulma from DBZ... tbh DBZ was dubbed pretty much everywhere, so it's not like most people grew up with her as Bulma, so I have difficulty seeing her as Bulma. She'll always be Ayukawa first and foremost to me. I guess, at this point, we can forget about KOR ever getting a remake or some sort of revival. Not like it ever had a chance or anything, but even less does it have now. I mean sure Ayukawa could just get a new VA but it'd be odd. I feel like a part of KOR's soul has died now that Ayukawa's VA is gone. I honestly don't think she's replaceable as the voice of Ayukawa. I feel like a reboot of KOR will lose a lot of the charm the original had. In a lot of ways I feel like Hiromi Tsuru was Madoka and like you said was part of KOR's soul which died a bit when she passed away. Moreover a reboot wasn't really realistic anyways. But the thought of it was certainly appealing. But I'd rather they didn't make one now that Madoka's VA is gone. Wasn't there a kickstarter for a new KOR manga some years ago? I vaguely remember that. Tbh, rebooting KOR was never needed, anyway. Let it stay as a late 80s/early 90s(movies) product. I mean, the love triangle was solved and we know Kyosuke and Madoka got together and probably had a kid or two and lived happily forever. It's not like this is an action/adventure anime like Sailor Moon, One piece, HnK, DBZ, etc. Its formula is dated and would not work today. The best I could see happening would be an episode or a chapter or Madoka and Kyosuke now as full fledged adults showing off their lives as a couple and possibly parents. But picturing KOR set in the 21st century just seems bizarre to me. Also, KOR being pretty much a coming of age story means Kyosuke, Madoka and their friends should remain under 25 years old; imo. It'd lose its charm if we saw them as older than that. It was already a bit odd to see Kyosuke and Madoka as 22 year olds. Hell, some KOR fans don't even like this movie for being quite different from the KOR they knew. I personally enjoyed seeing Kyosuke and Madoka as 22 year olds and acting like grown ups, but that's better off as just one off thing, imo. |
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Cowabunga said: Salva252 said: I honestly don't think she's replaceable as the voice of Ayukawa. I feel like a reboot of KOR will lose a lot of the charm the original had. In a lot of ways I feel like Hiromi Tsuru was Madoka and like you said was part of KOR's soul which died a bit when she passed away. Moreover a reboot wasn't really realistic anyways. But the thought of it was certainly appealing. But I'd rather they didn't make one now that Madoka's VA is gone. Wasn't there a kickstarter for a new KOR manga some years ago? I vaguely remember that. Tbh, rebooting KOR was never needed, anyway. Let it stay as a late 80s/early 90s(movies) product. I mean, the love triangle was solved and we know Kyosuke and Madoka got together and probably had a kid or two and lived happily forever. It's not like this is an action/adventure anime like Sailor Moon, One piece, HnK, DBZ, etc. Its formula is dated and would not work today. The best I could see happening would be an episode or a chapter or Madoka and Kyosuke now as full fledged adults showing off their lives as a couple and possibly parents. But picturing KOR set in the 21st century just seems bizarre to me. Also, KOR being pretty much a coming of age story means Kyosuke, Madoka and their friends should remain under 25 years old; imo. It'd lose its charm if we saw them as older than that. It was already a bit odd to see Kyosuke and Madoka as 22 year olds. Hell, some KOR fans don't even like this movie for being quite different from the KOR they knew. I personally enjoyed seeing Kyosuke and Madoka as 22 year olds and acting like grown ups, but that's better off as just one off thing, imo. There was a kickstarter for the KOR manga, which I only found out about recently. But if I'm correct it wasn't a new KOR manga but instead licensing and translating the original KOR manga to english and let people buy it. Also read it has taken way to long and people got pissed because they didn't get what they were promised. And basically everything you said about the need of a reboot I agree with. They shouldn't touch it and potentially ruin a classic show such as KOR. It's more than fine in the way it is now and should stay that way. And yeah I'm also one of those people that actually enjoyed the second movie. Found it refreshing to see them as adults and act like grown ups, but like you said it probably be better off as a one time deal. Because a lot of KOR's magic was that the characters were still young and growing up, and finding their way. Nevertheless it's been a sad couple of years for KOR fans. First Kurumi (Kasuga's sister) VA passed away due to cancer and now Madoka's VA passed away. I don't think I'll be able to quite look at KOR the same way when I rewatch it at some point. |
Salva252 said: Cowabunga said: Wasn't there a kickstarter for a new KOR manga some years ago? I vaguely remember that. Tbh, rebooting KOR was never needed, anyway. Let it stay as a late 80s/early 90s(movies) product. I mean, the love triangle was solved and we know Kyosuke and Madoka got together and probably had a kid or two and lived happily forever. It's not like this is an action/adventure anime like Sailor Moon, One piece, HnK, DBZ, etc. Its formula is dated and would not work today. The best I could see happening would be an episode or a chapter or Madoka and Kyosuke now as full fledged adults showing off their lives as a couple and possibly parents. But picturing KOR set in the 21st century just seems bizarre to me. Also, KOR being pretty much a coming of age story means Kyosuke, Madoka and their friends should remain under 25 years old; imo. It'd lose its charm if we saw them as older than that. It was already a bit odd to see Kyosuke and Madoka as 22 year olds. Hell, some KOR fans don't even like this movie for being quite different from the KOR they knew. I personally enjoyed seeing Kyosuke and Madoka as 22 year olds and acting like grown ups, but that's better off as just one off thing, imo. There was a kickstarter for the KOR manga, which I only found out about recently. But if I'm correct it wasn't a new KOR manga but instead licensing and translating the original KOR manga to english and let people buy it. Also read it has taken way to long and people got pissed because they didn't get what they were promised. And basically everything you said about the need of a reboot I agree with. They shouldn't touch it and potentially ruin a classic show such as KOR. It's more than fine in the way it is now and should stay that way. And yeah I'm also one of those people that actually enjoyed the second movie. Found it refreshing to see them as adults and act like grown ups, but like you said it probably be better off as a one time deal. Because a lot of KOR's magic was that the characters were still young and growing up, and finding their way. Nevertheless it's been a sad couple of years for KOR fans. First Hirumi (Kasuga's sister) VA passed away due to cancer and now Madoka's VA passed away. I don't think I'll be able to quite look at KOR the same way when I rewatch it at some point. Yeah KOR has never made it to North America has it? I've only found dubs of it Italian and French. Hell, there's two Italian dubs. The show has a bit of a cult following in France and Italy. Speaking of which, I don't even know how I discovered KOR. It never aired here in Portugal, so obv I didn't watch it on tv. No one has recommended it to me either. I think I found it out of the blue one day, and loved it. In fact, I think I even rated it 9/10 back then, which is not something I'd do now. Dunno what it was about it, but I really enjoyed following it and seeing what Kyosuke, Madoka and Hikaru would be up to next. Maybe because I was 18 and fresh out of HS and thus was still young and could relate to the characters somewhat. I didn't know Hirumi's VA passed away. That sucks. I never fully re-watched KOR all the way through. It's episodic, so occasionally re-watching an episode or two is fine by me. It's gonna be odd to hear Tsuru Hiromi's voice as Ayukawa again for a while, that is certain. The KOR manga had a more cruel ending for Hikaru than the 1st movie did, imo. In the movie Kyosuke at least tells Hikaru he always loved Madoka instead.. but in the manga she finds it out on her own after being told by Manami. Also, in the manga, Madoka flies off to USA for like a year or so. So after the whole ordeal... they don't see each other for a year until she comes back and they finally kiss and get together. Made me wonder what Ayukawa did in USA for a year... I'd like to have seen a couple of episodes of her in USA. That could have been interesting. That sounds like a missed opportunity for the OVA. Instead, the OVA only adapted chapters that had not been adapted in the TV series already. Weird. |
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Cowabunga said: Yeah it never made in to North America, but I read somewhere it was huge back in the day in europe, like on the level of Dragon Ball. So that's probably why there are multiple dubs such as the french and italian ones. Salva252 said: There was a kickstarter for the KOR manga, which I only found out about recently. But if I'm correct it wasn't a new KOR manga but instead licensing and translating the original KOR manga to english and let people buy it. Also read it has taken way to long and people got pissed because they didn't get what they were promised. And basically everything you said about the need of a reboot I agree with. They shouldn't touch it and potentially ruin a classic show such as KOR. It's more than fine in the way it is now and should stay that way. And yeah I'm also one of those people that actually enjoyed the second movie. Found it refreshing to see them as adults and act like grown ups, but like you said it probably be better off as a one time deal. Because a lot of KOR's magic was that the characters were still young and growing up, and finding their way. Nevertheless it's been a sad couple of years for KOR fans. First Hirumi (Kasuga's sister) VA passed away due to cancer and now Madoka's VA passed away. I don't think I'll be able to quite look at KOR the same way when I rewatch it at some point. Yeah KOR has never made it to North America has it? I've only found dubs of it Italian and French. Hell, there's two Italian dubs. The show has a bit of a cult following in France and Italy. Speaking of which, I don't even know how I discovered KOR. It never aired here in Portugal, so obv I didn't watch it on tv. No one has recommended it to me either. I think I found it out of the blue one day, and loved it. In fact, I think I even rated it 9/10 back then, which is not something I'd do now. Dunno what it was about it, but I really enjoyed following it and seeing what Kyosuke, Madoka and Hikaru would be up to next. Maybe because I was 18 and fresh out of HS and thus was still young and could relate to the characters somewhat. I didn't know Hirumi's VA passed away. That sucks. I never fully re-watched KOR all the way through. It's episodic, so occasionally re-watching an episode or two is fine by me. It's gonna be odd to hear Tsuru Hiromi's voice as Ayukawa again for a while, that is certain. The KOR manga had a more cruel ending for Hikaru than the 1st movie did, imo. In the movie Kyosuke at least tells Hikaru he always loved Madoka instead.. but in the manga she finds it out on her own after being told by Manami. Also, in the manga, Madoka flies off to USA for like a year or so. So after the whole ordeal... they don't see each other for a year until she comes back and they finally kiss and get together. Made me wonder what Ayukawa did in USA for a year... I'd like to have seen a couple of episodes of her in USA. That could have been interesting. That sounds like a missed opportunity for the OVA. Instead, the OVA only adapted chapters that had not been adapted in the TV series already. Weird. I haven't read the manga, I only skipped to the end to see in what kind of way the manga finished in comparison to the anime. I wanted to read it down the line to see how the two compared anyways but didn't have the patience I guess, someday I'll get to it. I only discovered KOR after looking for similar anime such as Maison Ikkoku. It was the top recommendation, both 80's anime, romances, love triangles. Fit the bill so I gave it a shot. Hasn't even been long since I finished it, maybe a month ago or so? But I really enjoyed it, although at sometimes the misunderstandings were really frustrating. But I could relate somehow with the characters I guess, seeing how I'm still in HS and pretty young (18). But I didn't know that Hikaru had to find out that way in the manga. Seems a bit to cruel, but I guess since Kasuga was always a bit wimphy to tell Hikaru himself the author might have found that way the most releastic. One thing I'd like to seen more of were her parents and how they were famous musicians. And how Madoka was a very good musician herself, like you said an OVA of her being in the USA with her parents would been pretty cool. |
Salva252 said: Cowabunga said: Yeah it never made in to North America, but I read somewhere it was huge back in the day in europe, like on the level of Dragon Ball. So that's probably why there are multiple dubs such as the french and italian ones. Yeah KOR has never made it to North America has it? I've only found dubs of it Italian and French. Hell, there's two Italian dubs. The show has a bit of a cult following in France and Italy. Speaking of which, I don't even know how I discovered KOR. It never aired here in Portugal, so obv I didn't watch it on tv. No one has recommended it to me either. I think I found it out of the blue one day, and loved it. In fact, I think I even rated it 9/10 back then, which is not something I'd do now. Dunno what it was about it, but I really enjoyed following it and seeing what Kyosuke, Madoka and Hikaru would be up to next. Maybe because I was 18 and fresh out of HS and thus was still young and could relate to the characters somewhat. I didn't know Hirumi's VA passed away. That sucks. I never fully re-watched KOR all the way through. It's episodic, so occasionally re-watching an episode or two is fine by me. It's gonna be odd to hear Tsuru Hiromi's voice as Ayukawa again for a while, that is certain. The KOR manga had a more cruel ending for Hikaru than the 1st movie did, imo. In the movie Kyosuke at least tells Hikaru he always loved Madoka instead.. but in the manga she finds it out on her own after being told by Manami. Also, in the manga, Madoka flies off to USA for like a year or so. So after the whole ordeal... they don't see each other for a year until she comes back and they finally kiss and get together. Made me wonder what Ayukawa did in USA for a year... I'd like to have seen a couple of episodes of her in USA. That could have been interesting. That sounds like a missed opportunity for the OVA. Instead, the OVA only adapted chapters that had not been adapted in the TV series already. Weird. I haven't read the manga, I only skipped to the end to see in what kind of way the manga finished in comparison to the anime. I wanted to read it down the line to see how the two compared anyways but didn't have the patience I guess, someday I'll get to it. I only discovered KOR after looking for similar anime such as Maison Ikkoku. It was the top recommendation, both 80's anime, romances, love triangles. Fit the bill so I gave it a shot. Hasn't even been long since I finished it, maybe a month ago or so? But I really enjoyed it, although at sometimes the misunderstandings were really frustrating. But I could relate somehow with the characters I guess, seeing how I'm still in HS and pretty young (18). But I didn't know that Hikaru had to find out that way in the manga. Seems a bit to cruel, but I guess since Kasuga was always a bit wimphy to tell Hikaru himself the author might have found that way the most releastic. One thing I'd like to seen more of were her parents and how they were famous musicians. And how Madoka was a very good musician herself, like you said an OVA of her being in the USA with her parents would been pretty cool. Probably not huge in Europe asa whole. Afaik the anime and the manga have only been dubbed and translated into French and Italian. Google for Kimagure Orange Road and you'll find a lot of links in French and Italian. Yes, the last two anime episodes were also in the manga... but they were't the final chapters. Also the OVA consists of manga chapters that, for some reason, were not adapted into the tv series at all. The two movies did their own thing pretty much and didn't adapt from existing manga chapters. Certainly nto the 2nd movie. I read Maison ikkoku a year or two after finishing KOR only. It was better overall, although KOR has that charm as does Ayukawa. Yeah Madoka's life had untapped potential. It's like sometimes the mangaka and his tema forgot what made her so interesting in the first place and decided to focus every episode on the status quo of: - Kyosuke meets up with Madoka and Hikaru - Kyosuke tries to be careful not to piss off Madoka or make Hikaru sad - Misunderstanding happens and Ayukawa acts aloof to Kyosuke - Some funny shit happens - Everything gets solved and Madoka acts nice to Kyosuke again Yep. Pretty much. Madoka had the patience of an angel, when you think about it. |
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Cowabunga said: After everythings said I'm just glad we got an anime/manga like KOR. And bringing us characters such as Madoka. Which we might have the editor of the manga to thank for. Salva252 said: Yeah it never made in to North America, but I read somewhere it was huge back in the day in europe, like on the level of Dragon Ball. So that's probably why there are multiple dubs such as the french and italian ones. I haven't read the manga, I only skipped to the end to see in what kind of way the manga finished in comparison to the anime. I wanted to read it down the line to see how the two compared anyways but didn't have the patience I guess, someday I'll get to it. I only discovered KOR after looking for similar anime such as Maison Ikkoku. It was the top recommendation, both 80's anime, romances, love triangles. Fit the bill so I gave it a shot. Hasn't even been long since I finished it, maybe a month ago or so? But I really enjoyed it, although at sometimes the misunderstandings were really frustrating. But I could relate somehow with the characters I guess, seeing how I'm still in HS and pretty young (18). But I didn't know that Hikaru had to find out that way in the manga. Seems a bit to cruel, but I guess since Kasuga was always a bit wimphy to tell Hikaru himself the author might have found that way the most releastic. One thing I'd like to seen more of were her parents and how they were famous musicians. And how Madoka was a very good musician herself, like you said an OVA of her being in the USA with her parents would been pretty cool. Probably not huge in Europe asa whole. Afaik the anime and the manga have only been dubbed and translated into French and Italian. Google for Kimagure Orange Road and you'll find a lot of links in French and Italian. Yes, the last two anime episodes were also in the manga... but they were't the final chapters. Also the OVA consists of manga chapters that, for some reason, were not adapted into the tv series at all. The two movies did their own thing pretty much and didn't adapt from existing manga chapters. Certainly nto the 2nd movie. I read Maison ikkoku a year or two after finishing KOR only. It was better overall, although KOR has that charm as does Ayukawa. Yeah Madoka's life had untapped potential. It's like sometimes the mangaka and his tema forgot what made her so interesting in the first place and decided to focus every episode on the status quo of: - Kyosuke meets up with Madoka and Hikaru - Kyosuke tries to be careful not to piss off Madoka or make Hikaru sad - Misunderstanding happens and Ayukawa acts aloof to Kyosuke - Some funny shit happens - Everything gets solved and Madoka acts nice to Kyosuke again Yep. Pretty much. Madoka had the patience of an angel, when you think about it. Fun fact for if you didn't know, the manga author wanted to make Madoka an actual delinquent and such. Like the way she is presented in the first few episodes. But the editor confinced the author to make her look like an delinquent but to be actually a pretty nice girl behind all that. It brought us one of the best characters of the 80s/early 90s. I do tend to get a bit sad when I release that we won't get any modern anime that are like KOR, Maison Ikkoku and such. The delinquent trope tends to not be used in the same way it used to back then. Shows like GTO, Kyou kara ore and wa and KOR display how well the delinquent-trope can be if used well. |
Salva252 said: Cowabunga said: After everythings said I'm just glad we got an anime/manga like KOR. And bringing us characters such as Madoka. Which we might have the editor of the manga to thank for. Probably not huge in Europe asa whole. Afaik the anime and the manga have only been dubbed and translated into French and Italian. Google for Kimagure Orange Road and you'll find a lot of links in French and Italian. Yes, the last two anime episodes were also in the manga... but they were't the final chapters. Also the OVA consists of manga chapters that, for some reason, were not adapted into the tv series at all. The two movies did their own thing pretty much and didn't adapt from existing manga chapters. Certainly nto the 2nd movie. I read Maison ikkoku a year or two after finishing KOR only. It was better overall, although KOR has that charm as does Ayukawa. Yeah Madoka's life had untapped potential. It's like sometimes the mangaka and his tema forgot what made her so interesting in the first place and decided to focus every episode on the status quo of: - Kyosuke meets up with Madoka and Hikaru - Kyosuke tries to be careful not to piss off Madoka or make Hikaru sad - Misunderstanding happens and Ayukawa acts aloof to Kyosuke - Some funny shit happens - Everything gets solved and Madoka acts nice to Kyosuke again Yep. Pretty much. Madoka had the patience of an angel, when you think about it. Fun fact for if you didn't know, the manga author wanted to make Madoka an actual delinquent and such. Like the way she is presented in the first few episodes. But the editor confinced the author to make her look like an delinquent but to be actually a pretty nice girl behind all that. It brought us one of the best characters of the 80s/early 90s. I do tend to get a bit sad when I release that we won't get any modern anime that are like KOR, Maison Ikkoku and such. The delinquent trope tends to not be used in the same way it used to back then. Shows like GTO, Kyou kara ore and wa and KOR display how well the delinquent-trope can be if used well. That is interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah her being a nice girl behind that delinquent facade was a very good idea. Like I've said, the only problem was that her past could have been better explored, since she seems to have hung out around some interesting characters. Her delinquent friends... a lot of them probably weren't bad people overall like her either. |
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Cowabunga said: Yeah I agree, there's definetly untapped potential that this show had. Might be because KOR was the Izumi Matsumoto's (The manga author) first long running work. He might have not know how to convey everything and tap in that potential it had.Salva252 said: After everythings said I'm just glad we got an anime/manga like KOR. And bringing us characters such as Madoka. Which we might have the editor of the manga to thank for. Fun fact for if you didn't know, the manga author wanted to make Madoka an actual delinquent and such. Like the way she is presented in the first few episodes. But the editor confinced the author to make her look like an delinquent but to be actually a pretty nice girl behind all that. It brought us one of the best characters of the 80s/early 90s. I do tend to get a bit sad when I release that we won't get any modern anime that are like KOR, Maison Ikkoku and such. The delinquent trope tends to not be used in the same way it used to back then. Shows like GTO, Kyou kara ore and wa and KOR display how well the delinquent-trope can be if used well. That is interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah her being a nice girl behind that delinquent facade was a very good idea. Like I've said, the only problem was that her past could have been better explored, since she seems to have hung out around some interesting characters. Her delinquent friends... a lot of them probably weren't bad people overall like her either. |
Salva252 said: Cowabunga said: Yeah I agree, there's definetly untapped potential that this show had. Might be because KOR was the Izumi Matsumoto's (The manga author) first long running work. He might have not know how to convey everything and tap in that potential it had.That is interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah her being a nice girl behind that delinquent facade was a very good idea. Like I've said, the only problem was that her past could have been better explored, since she seems to have hung out around some interesting characters. Her delinquent friends... a lot of them probably weren't bad people overall like her either. And also because it's primarily a romantic comedy. So that's probably why they didn't want to focus too much on the delinquent aspect of Madoka's life. It's meant to be an anime/manga for a younger crowd, so the violence in it is more slapsticky and comedic. |
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Cowabunga said: Yeah, that's probably one of the main reasons why they didn't. Like the author used Kasuga's special powers for a lot of comedic moments. Which suprisingly almost gets forgotten towards the end of the anime. I actually almost forgot about him having powers towards the end until all the time travel stuff happened ofcourse. But I feel there could have been more explored there.Salva252 said: Yeah I agree, there's definetly untapped potential that this show had. Might be because KOR was the Izumi Matsumoto's (The manga author) first long running work. He might have not know how to convey everything and tap in that potential it had. And also because it's primarily a romantic comedy. So that's probably why they didn't want to focus too much on the delinquent aspect of Madoka's life. It's meant to be an anime/manga for a younger crowd, so the violence in it is more slapsticky and comedic. |
Salva252 said: Cowabunga said: Yeah, that's probably one of the main reasons why they didn't. Like the author used Kasuga's special powers for a lot of comedic moments. Which suprisingly almost gets forgotten towards the end of the anime. I actually almost forgot about him having powers towards the end until all the time travel stuff happened ofcourse. But I feel there could have been more explored there.And also because it's primarily a romantic comedy. So that's probably why they didn't want to focus too much on the delinquent aspect of Madoka's life. It's meant to be an anime/manga for a younger crowd, so the violence in it is more slapsticky and comedic. I had forgotten about the Kasugas being ESPers tbh... that's always been a part of KOR I never cared much for. The power seems to be there mostly for comedic purposes and as a plot device. As in Kyosuke making misunderstandings worse with his powers. From the top of my head, his power saved Ayukawa a few times, tho. Especially in that OVA episode where she is in a nightclub and a group of guys try to sexually assault her and Akane(Kyosuke's cousin)... or worse. If Kyosuke had no powers then... I don't even want to think about it. Also, Kyosuke was inept at anything requiring athleticism, so I guess the power levelled things up a bit for him, allowing him to protect himself and Ayukawa in case of need. |
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| Is this movie supposed to be mature? How? The script seems to be made by some prepubescent fantasizing about sex. That's pretty much all what this movie is about, everything about the accident(s) being an irrelevant gimmick. It starts teasing you with sex, ends with sex, all what the characters seemingly think or talk about is sex. Of course when Hikaru is having a phone call he has to think it's a dude, when he tries to visit Madoka he thinks she's with a dude, when he hangs out with Hikaru he has to ponder whether she might be a virgin or not. Wow it must be really mature because both Hikaru and Madoka acknowledge that sex is a thing! No, just no. When we finally get to listen to his "mature" version he just jokes about having sex with Hikaru, so witty indeed. Bah if anything I can acknowledge Hikaru being more mature herself, but the movie itself is pointless and dumb. And speaking of Hikaru is hilarious how the movie lowkey makes sure you know she is and will remain a virgin (at least for a while), just in case. From the letters to Madoka when she mentions that "she said goodbye to the guy who was persistent" to her final stance before taking the plane. You need to make sure the otaku don't get mad at you! 3/10 |
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| The opposite of the other movie in that it's silly, melodramatic, tells instead of shows, and is distracted by the sci-fi element. I especially don't like how it's full of silly misunderstandings.The best thing about it has to be Hikaru resuming her friendship with Madoka but it takes much too long to get there. An unnecessary (and not very good) appendix after the other first movie already provided a strong ending. |
| I expected a cash grab, some nonsence fanservice, but the movie was great. I didn't like the new art style but it wasn't that bad. Kyousuke didn't use his power like he didn't have any. the scene where they did it was interesting, it had a sense of intimacy, it was great. No complaints by my end. |
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| No wonder Japan lost boobs war says Grandpa :P have mixed feelings about the movie nonetheless we seen Madoka in action at last. jokes aside I feel a lot better after watching Hikaru having a strong spirit after he dumped her and she grew up mentally a lot more than anyone of them Kyouske 22 is a jerk for wanting Hikaru after all that. 6/10 |
| Like with the manga, watching this movie I felt a nostalgic feeling. The movie was good overall. Someday I may watch the entire anime again. |
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| And here I thought I had finished watching all KOR... This movie was... okay? I guess? Not good at all but I wouldn't call it horribly bad. I personally disliked it since it felt more of a fanfiction reunion so that Kyosuke and Madoka could get it on, and Hikaru got a sort of happy ending in a way. All the way throughout the movie they reminded us of how depressing the previous movie was, and at the same time, the plot felt more like an attempt to recreate the amazing KOR anime finale, until it fell apart because of the attempts to show Hikaru's new happy life as an actress. If anything, I think this is a mediocre mash of both the previous movie's plot and the KOR finale's plot, sounds interesting on paper, however, doesn't deliver as well as both of them did. Am not that surprised that the creator had nothing to do with it, it felt like an excuse to go back to the KOR franchise. 6/10 is my verdict, you may enjoy, you may not, but it's far from great or good. Edit: I have since rethought it and am gonna give it a 5/10, I almost hated it and am feeling compelled to go back and watch the previous movie, or the OVA or something. I didn't like it at all! |
QueenHarukoAug 5, 2021 7:40 PM
tysonfist764 said: QueenHaruko said: I watched all of your interesting reviews on KOR movies and TV episodes but you miss something ..And here I thought I had finished watching all KOR... This movie was... okay? I guess? Not good at all but I wouldn't call it horribly bad. I personally disliked it since it felt more of a fanfiction reunion so that Kyosuke and Madoka could get it on, and Hikaru got a sort of happy ending in a way. All the way throughout the movie they reminded us of how depressing the previous movie was, and at the same time, the plot felt more like an attempt to recreate the amazing KOR anime finale, until it fell apart because of the attempts to show Hikaru's new happy life as an actress. If anything, I think this is a mediocre mash of both the previous movie's plot and the KOR finale's plot, sounds interesting on paper, however, doesn't deliver as well as both of them did. Am not that surprised that the creator had nothing to do with it, it felt like an excuse to go back to the KOR franchise. 6/10 is my verdict, you may enjoy, you may not, but it's far from great or good. Edit: I have since rethought it and am gonna give it a 5/10, I almost hated it and am feeling compelled to go back and watch the previous movie, or the OVA or something. I didn't like it at all! https://youtu.be/mAf2e6jH9qM Its the original 1985 pilot episode of KOR....I will wait your opinion on this ...thank you Thanks man! I will definitely check that one out. Kinda forgot about it since it's a bit more obscure, but hey, anything else from KOR I can watch is a treat. |
| The artstyle is so 90's. I never thought I'd say this but I miss the 80's artstyle and I think it would've looked better. Movie 1 used the original artstyle and it still worked for a more serious story. I get the characters are older now but the new artstyle didn't click with me. Heck Movie 1 had some visually striking direction which I can't say the same for this movie despite being "New". Kyosuke looks like Shinji and Madoka looks like Misato ffs. I've been hearing about this movie in the community as if it was the spawn of satan or something. But I ended up liking this movie very much. It's not because I had low expectations I genuinely thought this was a great movie. My only complaints are the use of the "power" is some Doctor Who bullshit. Kyosuke from past and future converging and one being stuck in a "fantasy world" made no sense. Past Kyosuke having random headaches and almost disappearing was an addition made just to make the plot longer and they never got addressed again. So it felt like the movie lacked stake which is weird considering the last movie completely ditched the power aspect and this movie brought it back. Another complaint is the story completely shacked Yuusaku again. Poor Yuusaku, even if he didn’t get the girl I wish at least he got over her. In the end we don't know if Hikaru got over being dumped by Kyosuke either since she will "always love him". We should've at least gotten a cameo with a few lines from Yuusaku at least since he's supposed to be a childhood friend of both Hikaru and Madoka. Instead they brought back the Mitsuru guy and made him a dickhead for some reason. The positives I can think of may be the exact reasons some people hate this movie. Movie 1 was a conclusion that left the viewers thinking and this movie kind of changes that and forces a happy ending. I think this movie fits nicely with the timeline of the main series and it's definitely canon. In this movie we see the trio make up and actually go their own separate ways. Hikaru is actually mature now and isn't an insufferable bitch. The hotel scene teased me a lot and I would've hated this movie if the issue wasn't resolved so fast with Madoka. I was tired of this BS. It was really satisfying seeing the intimate moments between Kyosuke and Madoka. This payoff was long overdue. Since I went into this movie expecting it to be bad I saved the last OVA so it can be my final "proper" KOR adventure. I can probably explore this movie further and find more of its flaws and also its merits but it's probably better this way. |
0451Jan 20, 2022 11:19 AM
| I think this movie is kinda unnecessary since they already resolve their love triangle unless you crave for more intimate moments. The best part of KOR would be its OVAs period where the powers are utilized for good use. The movie is kinda feels dragging and doesn't have any real story other than the bed scene. I would say overall this is a bad romcom. 1/10 for this movie. Finally I'm done with this series. |
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| So Kyousuke finally did it! And this concludes the franchise. Hmmm Story is not that bad considering it was still the 90s. |
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