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Sep 15, 2017 9:44 AM
#151
You said: People who are otakuphobe like you are the one who's actually a pathetic excuse of human being for claiming jacking off to porn is better. In the end, whatever you're jacking off to, you're still jacking off. I'm actually sad on how people are still bound by these social construct bullshit to look down upon people who watch anime fanservice but think that it's fucking okay to watch Game of Thrones in public! It's not social construct, it's just that I ain't getting turned on by some drawings, especially as an artist myself. It's not easy to get turned on by some cartoons. Also, easy there with the assumptions, I don't watch nor like GoT and I am open as fuck about anime, with my real life friends as well. It's creepy to show your ecchi anime and hentai to other people. It's not only a social construct. It's not even solely about anime, if I was with friends, it would be ok to show them porn simply cause it's not anime so therefore it's ok? |
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Sep 15, 2017 9:50 AM
#152
SigmaticDoc said: You said: People who are otakuphobe like you are the one who's actually a pathetic excuse of human being for claiming jacking off to porn is better. In the end, whatever you're jacking off to, you're still jacking off. I'm actually sad on how people are still bound by these social construct bullshit to look down upon people who watch anime fanservice but think that it's fucking okay to watch Game of Thrones in public! It's not social construct, it's just that I ain't getting turned on by some drawings, especially as an artist myself. It's not easy to get turned on by some cartoons. Also, easy there with the assumptions, I don't watch nor like GoT and I am open as fuck about anime, with my real life friends as well. It's creepy to show your ecchi anime and hentai to other people. It's not only a social construct. It's not even solely about anime, if I was with friends, it would be ok to show them porn simply cause it's not anime so therefore it's ok? Yes, it is okay to show your friends porn if you think this porn deserves their attention for some reason (like it's funny). Same with ecchi and hentai. What makes you think this is not so? |
Sep 15, 2017 9:55 AM
#153
SigmaticDoc said: Ugh I have a hard time understanding your post.You said: People who are otakuphobe like you are the one who's actually a pathetic excuse of human being for claiming jacking off to porn is better. In the end, whatever you're jacking off to, you're still jacking off. I'm actually sad on how people are still bound by these social construct bullshit to look down upon people who watch anime fanservice but think that it's fucking okay to watch Game of Thrones in public! It's not social construct, it's just that I ain't getting turned on by some drawings, especially as an artist myself. It's not easy to get turned on by some cartoons. Also, easy there with the assumptions, I don't watch nor like GoT and I am open as fuck about anime, with my real life friends as well. It's creepy to show your ecchi anime and hentai to other people. It's not only a social construct. It's not even solely about anime, if I was with friends, it would be ok to show them porn simply cause it's not anime so therefore it's ok? So you mean it's ok to watch porn together with friends but not hentai/ecchi? What I mean is that many people watch GoT in public but nobody talked down about people who watch it for it having sex scenes but if it's ecchi, more people will look down upon the watcher because it has lewd scene? That's what I said on bull social construct. GoT has pornographic scenes, yet it's acceptable to watch it on public. |
Sep 15, 2017 10:11 AM
#154
| So many things to say about this thread... But I am going to keep it short. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? One does not simply give a negative review if he enjoys the show. If everyone enjoyed the shows they reviewed, there would be no negative reviews. Different opinions and reviews exist solely cause not everyone enjoys everything. If I don't like the show at all, be it for too much boobs are a shitty plot, I'd give it a bad review, without any bias. (Going to say what sucks about it, why it sucks and why I give the score I give it.) Just accept it, you're salty cause nobody likes your garbage shows. |
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Sep 15, 2017 10:17 AM
#155
| They should be allowed to have an opinion but if they dislike a show based just on the genre or premise, then their opinion isn't wrong, but it's pretty much worthless for analysis and discussion pertaining to that show. |
Sep 15, 2017 10:20 AM
#156
| Oh look, the OP's upset that an obviously shitty series like Eromanga-sensei turned out to be shitty and doesn't like when people point it out. |
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Sep 15, 2017 10:28 AM
#157
| A review from someone who loved a show and does nothing but praise it while ignoring all its flaws vs a review from someone who hated the show and does nothing but point out its flaws while ignoring all the merits. I'd say both are pretty bad, so if anything, the topic shouldn't be just about the people who dislike but people who like too much as well. |
Sep 15, 2017 10:33 AM
#158
Zelkiiro said: Oh look, the OP's upset that an obviously shitty series like Eromanga-sensei turned out to be shitty and doesn't like when people point it out. I dropped Eromanga-Sensei on the first episode because it obviously wasn't going to be my kinda thing, but I wouldn't rate it or give it a review for that reason. I also have to question the motives of someone who would watch all of a show that they hate from the beginning just so that they can mark it as completed for a review. |
Sep 15, 2017 10:33 AM
#159
Paul said: A review from someone who loved a show and does nothing but praise it while ignoring all its flaws vs a review from someone who hated the show and does nothing but point out its flaws while ignoring all the merits. I'd say both are pretty bad, so if anything, the topic shouldn't be just about the people who dislike but people who like too much as well. Yeah there are too many people who start giving a show way more praise that it would really deserve just based on the premise, like with Erased and Re:zero last year. |
Sep 15, 2017 10:35 AM
#160
| But disagreeing with other people's opinions is the essence of an anime fan. |
Sep 15, 2017 10:35 AM
#161
| whoever wrote the one for aria the animation wasnt even strict, the show got a 5 for "average" for that person, youre stabbing someone who was reasonable and didnt just set the grade all down to 1. beside subjective critism isnt a crime, its what everyone does if not being objective. 7-7 said: or it can also help others find a review that matches their oppinion (after having watched the show ofc) and in some way feel connected for some minutes.Negative reviews are a good thing. Not everyone is the same, so having a diversity of opinions expressed is helpful for more people to figure out if they'll enjoy a show or not. |
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Sep 15, 2017 10:36 AM
#162
You said: Well of course it's not closing any chance of the existence of character development in an ecchi show, but for me, that shouldn't be the main reasons for one to watch a comedic fanservice show. If it exists, then yeah they'll be quite a bonus. Character development is the main expectations of a psychological show, but not on comedy show. I've talked to him once and he's like "wtf man it's 0/10" so well. So what should one expect from eromanga i your opinion? If you say it doesn't need things that are main points of other genre (character development, comedy) then wjhat shoud this crap have? |
Sep 15, 2017 10:37 AM
#163
xDaril said: So many things to say about this thread... But I am going to keep it short. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? One does not simply give a negative review if he enjoys the show. If everyone enjoyed the shows they reviewed, there would be no negative reviews. Different opinions and reviews exist solely cause not everyone enjoys everything. If I don't like the show at all, be it for too much boobs are a shitty plot, I'd give it a bad review, without any bias. (Going to say what sucks about it, why it sucks and why I give the score I give it.) Just accept it, you're salty cause nobody likes your garbage shows. Zelkiiro said: I hope you guys become at least literate to read the OP. I don't hate negative reviews. I hate negative reviews that makes no sense.Oh look, the OP's upset that an obviously shitty series like Eromanga-sensei turned out to be shitty and doesn't like when people point it out. Bozzzz said: Have I ever said comedy is unimportant to shows like this? No.You said: Well of course it's not closing any chance of the existence of character development in an ecchi show, but for me, that shouldn't be the main reasons for one to watch a comedic fanservice show. If it exists, then yeah they'll be quite a bonus. Character development is the main expectations of a psychological show, but not on comedy show. I've talked to him once and he's like "wtf man it's 0/10" so well. So what should one expect from eromanga i your opinion? If you say it doesn't need things that are main points of other genre (character development, comedy) then wjhat shoud this crap have? Comedy and fanservice are the main reason people are watching this, and how it handles both of these points should be the main thing to be judged. Sure you can argue that most of the attempt to put the comedic moment are poor/half-hearted/whatever or if you like it,, good/terrific/whatever and I'll claim both reviews to be good, albeit I'll end up agreeing with just 1 of them. A good review doesn't need for me to agree with, but rather explain the main point with well-thought claim. The same goes with the fanservice. |
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Sep 15, 2017 10:42 AM
#164
| Let's keep in mind that we're arguing about pantsu anime here. Nerds are gonna nerd in their own ways; if you want to approach an anime review like a literal robot would then I say have fun. Sex, promiscuousness and nerdy people's hobbies are a tough pot to stir when we're talking about how many actual different upbringings one can have. Mal is like a host to... let's just call it a whole shitton of different countries, cultures and ethnicities. Which yea I know what you're thinking; it's the internet right? But no it's not always a completely mixed bag like this. Not everyone is going to agree with you. I'm not sure how this thread even got to 4 pages.. Probably because you guys keep trying to make things political lelel. |
Sep 15, 2017 10:43 AM
#165
flannan said: 1) You are a disgusting racist and pedophobe. You are the problem, and the only way the world can be made better is if you and people like you all die. 2) I am myself, and one person is enough of a counter-example to know that the anime is not bad, just underappreciated. 3) More importantly, I know I am honest, and I cannot know if you are honest or are actually in denial. Probably the latter, because disgusting people like you always are. 1. I have not mentioned race... not even 1 time... ''pedophobe''. Don't even get me started on this. 2. One person is not enough, no amount of people is enough. If only a single person thinks a show is bad, then it's bad for him and you can't change that. 3. Try to insult me when it's actually related to the topic plz. What exactly am I in denial of? flannan said: Opinionated authors are not a peer-reviewed publications. Miyazaki's interview speaks about things that have nothing to do with what you're trying to claim. He is talking about animation, you know. And I would not care what that psycho Hideaki Anno said until I know if he was off his meds that day. The industry's legends know the best, as they're right on the core of things when it comes to anime production. And you missed Miyazaki's point. He's saying that the market is saturated with such unsubstantial crap with no soul behind it because the modern day community consists of ''otakus''. And those otakus are not influenced by observing real people, it's a key factor for you to be able to connect to the character thanks to how expressive they are. But no matter how much most modern anime try to replicate expressiveness, in the end they appear like one big caricature. It doesn't help that japanese voice actors tend to overact almost everything. flannan said: See, you're already uncomfortable just contemplating my greatness. You lack pride, dog of the church. Seriously, fuckin cringe-worthy. Do you go over your own thoughts twice before you start writing this stuff. lmao Edgy as fuck. On another note, first, I am not religious, second, I love tits just as much as every straight male. I don't mind sexualization in anime as long as it's not forced and other aspects of the show are enjoyable, but that's rarely the case with ecchi anime. |
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Sep 15, 2017 10:44 AM
#166
Fo said: Let's keep in mind that we're arguing about pantsu anime here. I'm not sure how this thread even got to 4 pages.. Probably because you guys keep trying to make things political lelel. man this thread ain't shit a few weeks ago we took a fanservice thread to 1,000+ posts every time pantsu anime comes up a lengthy argument comes out of it |
Sep 15, 2017 10:45 AM
#167
Zelkiiro said: Oh look, the OP's upset that an obviously shitty series like Eromanga-sensei turned out to be shitty and doesn't like when people point it out. Pretty much yes. Also fuck this site's character restriction. Need to say garbage to fill the character requirement. |
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Sep 15, 2017 10:55 AM
#168
You said: xDaril said: So many things to say about this thread... But I am going to keep it short. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? One does not simply give a negative review if he enjoys the show. If everyone enjoyed the shows they reviewed, there would be no negative reviews. Different opinions and reviews exist solely cause not everyone enjoys everything. If I don't like the show at all, be it for too much boobs are a shitty plot, I'd give it a bad review, without any bias. (Going to say what sucks about it, why it sucks and why I give the score I give it.) Just accept it, you're salty cause nobody likes your garbage shows. Zelkiiro said: I hope you guys become at least literate to read the OP. I don't hate negative reviews. I hate negative reviews that makes no sense.Oh look, the OP's upset that an obviously shitty series like Eromanga-sensei turned out to be shitty and doesn't like when people point it out. Bozzzz said: Have I ever said comedy is unimportant to shows like this? No.You said: Well of course it's not closing any chance of the existence of character development in an ecchi show, but for me, that shouldn't be the main reasons for one to watch a comedic fanservice show. If it exists, then yeah they'll be quite a bonus. Character development is the main expectations of a psychological show, but not on comedy show. I've talked to him once and he's like "wtf man it's 0/10" so well. So what should one expect from eromanga i your opinion? If you say it doesn't need things that are main points of other genre (character development, comedy) then wjhat shoud this crap have? Comedy and fanservice are the main reason people are watching this, and how it handles both of these points should be the main thing to be judged. Sure you can argue that most of the attempt to put the comedic moment are poor/half-hearted/whatever or if you like it,, good/terrific/whatever and I'll claim both reviews to be good, albeit I'll end up agreeing with just 1 of them. A good review doesn't need for me to agree with, but rather explain the main point with well-thought claim. The same goes with the fanservice. eromanga and funny? that's funny :) |
Sep 15, 2017 10:55 AM
#169
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Sep 15, 2017 11:00 AM
#170
You said: Seriously why people are so pretentious douchebags? Reviews such as this: https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=250870 or this https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=12363 or this https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=199411 or many other that I can't list them one-by-one... should be removed from MAL IMO. If you can't enjoy ecchi/incest/loli/fanservice/moe/whatsover in general, then you should've just say that it isn't your cup of tea. The same can be said for any other type of anime. For example me, I don't really like artsy anime so much, and I tend never try to review them. Complaining a comedic ecchi show for not having realistic character or development? Pointless fanservice when fanservice is exactly the point of the show? Helpful? Are the world full of imbeciles? Or perhaps SJW/Anti-sexuality Christians? This is why MAL reviews so shit. Get your fucking christian doctrine out of here. Look, that doesn't mean that I want all reviews to be positive. I'm okay with negative reviews, as long as the one who review it have a basic sense of enjoyment for these type of shows, for example about the same anime as the one I put on the prior example, Eromanga-sensei: https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=251201 https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=246562 See the difference? It is negative, but they have love so that the review doesn't have condescending tone. Even if you have hard time enjoying these kind of shows, you must delve into the mindset of people who thinks of what makes these kind of shows are good or not, yes it's a MUST. That's called empathy. Reviews without any empathy shouldn't be allowed on MAL. Anyone agree with me? Have you ever feel triggered about the lack of empathy in anime reviews? P.S: Regarding ecchi, I like some of it and won't be ashamed to admit that I like them. People's prude religious culture about sexuality is what's wrong and must be stopped, not the people who enjoys lewds. Why the fuck are all of these based on Eromanga-Sensei? Who shits about people criticizing it? Guess what? I don't fucking care. They can fucking criticize a shit show that's technically pedophilia all they want, as it's a fucking disgusting show. |
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Sep 15, 2017 11:08 AM
#171
| Criticizing it for the kind of show it is is a problem, criticizing it for what it does wrong anyway isn't (especially if you take our as much bias as you can). That doesn't make the person pretentious however, especially if they can back up their stuff with actual facts. |
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Sep 15, 2017 11:11 AM
#172
CodeBlazeFate said: Thank you for summarizing my original post, lolCriticizing it for the kind of show it is is a problem, criticizing it for what it does wrong anyway isn't (especially if you take our as much bias as you can). |
Sep 15, 2017 11:40 AM
#173
| i kinda agree with op. It's like looking you're looking to buy a motorcycle and you read a review that says something like "Don't buy this motorcycle because it's not good at hauling a boat." although this hypothetical person isn't wrong, it's just irrelevant to the person buying that motorcycle, considering that most people won't buy a motorcycle with the intention of hauling things.. At least I think that's what op is trying to say. |
Sep 15, 2017 11:45 AM
#174
| I agree with you, but in my opinion it's hilarious to watch these people type out a ten page essay of an anime they hate for no real reason other then it is just not their type of genre. |
Sep 15, 2017 11:47 AM
#175
Zelkiiro said: Oh look, the OP's upset that an obviously shitty series like Eromanga-sensei turned out to be shitty and doesn't like when people point it out. @You gave Eromanga a 4/10 tho so it's not because of fanboyism. |
Sep 15, 2017 11:55 AM
#176
| I disagree, listening to perspectives that hate those kinds of shows are important for understanding other people and why those shows have problems. From said perspectives you can use it to determine if that show is for you if you can relate to the reviews. For example I also gave Eromanga Sensei a 1/10 because it is a show about literally nothing, nothing happens and some girls want to sleep with her not blood related brother but nothing happens from it. It's also trying stupidly hard to chase meme culture and I lothe any show that does that. Anime or not. What a surprise almost every negative review for Eromanga I agree with. Even if a show or something is not for them, understand why can be important to someone else and be insightful for not only them but creators who want to learn from it and make something better or in a way that works for other audiences. |
Sep 15, 2017 12:27 PM
#177
You said: SigmaticDoc said: Ugh I have a hard time understanding your post.You said: People who are otakuphobe like you are the one who's actually a pathetic excuse of human being for claiming jacking off to porn is better. In the end, whatever you're jacking off to, you're still jacking off. I'm actually sad on how people are still bound by these social construct bullshit to look down upon people who watch anime fanservice but think that it's fucking okay to watch Game of Thrones in public! It's not social construct, it's just that I ain't getting turned on by some drawings, especially as an artist myself. It's not easy to get turned on by some cartoons. Also, easy there with the assumptions, I don't watch nor like GoT and I am open as fuck about anime, with my real life friends as well. It's creepy to show your ecchi anime and hentai to other people. It's not only a social construct. It's not even solely about anime, if I was with friends, it would be ok to show them porn simply cause it's not anime so therefore it's ok? So you mean it's ok to watch porn together with friends but not hentai/ecchi? What I mean is that many people watch GoT in public but nobody talked down about people who watch it for it having sex scenes but if it's ecchi, more people will look down upon the watcher because it has lewd scene? That's what I said on bull social construct. GoT has pornographic scenes, yet it's acceptable to watch it on public. Uh, no? I'm pretty sure what I said is understandable. I am positive I left a question mark at the end, making what I said a rhetoric question. If it's ecchi, people will look down upon the watcher because it's an ecchi. One of it's main focuses is the sexualization... of cartoons at that. Not to mention the target audience of most ecchi anime falls in the young teenager category. GoT on the other hand is aimed at a mature audience. Though I don't really like GoT. |
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Sep 15, 2017 1:04 PM
#178
| the problem OP has is these reviews have an intrinsic moral problem with 2D waifuism/loli fanservice, not that they are negative or criticizing show. I dont even know if it would count as pedophilia if the characters are so extremely idealistic and cute, and unnatural to what a real human is. So, the reviews arent very good in that regard. I dont think it's normalizing pedophilia. If it's normalizing anything, it is having a shut in lifestyle attached to computer screens, but again this problem isnt exclusive to loli fanservice. It's fine to criticize pedophilia, but I dont think that's what this is about. Try to distinguish between the content (Fanservice), and the medium (The computer, tv screen). Usually the medium completely changes the meaning of the content. |
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Sep 15, 2017 1:12 PM
#179
You said: Welp, the idea I was getting at was you can criticize a show for what it is, assuming that's not your only reason and you have facts. Regardless, it doesn't make you pretentious. A buzzkill, perhaps, but not pretentious.CodeBlazeFate said: Thank you for summarizing my original post, lolCriticizing it for the kind of show it is is a problem, criticizing it for what it does wrong anyway isn't (especially if you take our as much bias as you can). |
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Sep 15, 2017 1:19 PM
#180
Sep 15, 2017 1:23 PM
#181
SigmaticDoc said: Pretty sure there's quite a lot of ecchi genre on seinen demographic too instead of just shounen, which means it's aimed for guys who are above 18. Now tell me if that ain't mature? lolYou said: SigmaticDoc said: You said: People who are otakuphobe like you are the one who's actually a pathetic excuse of human being for claiming jacking off to porn is better. In the end, whatever you're jacking off to, you're still jacking off. I'm actually sad on how people are still bound by these social construct bullshit to look down upon people who watch anime fanservice but think that it's fucking okay to watch Game of Thrones in public! It's not social construct, it's just that I ain't getting turned on by some drawings, especially as an artist myself. It's not easy to get turned on by some cartoons. Also, easy there with the assumptions, I don't watch nor like GoT and I am open as fuck about anime, with my real life friends as well. It's creepy to show your ecchi anime and hentai to other people. It's not only a social construct. It's not even solely about anime, if I was with friends, it would be ok to show them porn simply cause it's not anime so therefore it's ok? So you mean it's ok to watch porn together with friends but not hentai/ecchi? What I mean is that many people watch GoT in public but nobody talked down about people who watch it for it having sex scenes but if it's ecchi, more people will look down upon the watcher because it has lewd scene? That's what I said on bull social construct. GoT has pornographic scenes, yet it's acceptable to watch it on public. Uh, no? I'm pretty sure what I said is understandable. I am positive I left a question mark at the end, making what I said a rhetoric question. If it's ecchi, people will look down upon the watcher because it's an ecchi. One of it's main focuses is the sexualization... of cartoons at that. Not to mention the target audience of most ecchi anime falls in the young teenager category. GoT on the other hand is aimed at a mature audience. Though I don't really like GoT. Tsunski said: if this were the case then all anime would have immaculate scores from all the fanboys giving it 10's Do you even read? Red_Ryu12345 said: Then you might not like 90% show under slice of life tag, lolI disagree, listening to perspectives that hate those kinds of shows are important for understanding other people and why those shows have problems. From said perspectives you can use it to determine if that show is for you if you can relate to the reviews. For example I also gave Eromanga Sensei a 1/10 because it is a show about literally nothing, nothing happens and some girls want to sleep with her not blood related brother but nothing happens from it. It's also trying stupidly hard to chase meme culture and I lothe any show that does that. Anime or not. What a surprise almost every negative review for Eromanga I agree with. Even if a show or something is not for them, understand why can be important to someone else and be insightful for not only them but creators who want to learn from it and make something better or in a way that works for other audiences. |
Sep 15, 2017 1:28 PM
#182
Sep 15, 2017 1:54 PM
#183
You said: ]Then you might not like 90% show under slice of life tag, lol I enjoy slice of life when it has a story or characters that actually matter or are likable. They aren't just a fetish/walking fanservice or some meme, which is pretty much everyone in the show outside of the main character who is generic light novel harem protagonist. |
Sep 15, 2017 1:59 PM
#184
You said: Pretty sure there's quite a lot of ecchi genre on seinen demographic too instead of just shounen, which means it's aimed for guys who are above 18. Now tell me if that ain't mature? lol There's a lot of ecchi genre on the seinen demographic, but it doesn't even come close to the ecchi on shonen demographic... |
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Sep 15, 2017 2:02 PM
#185
Manaban said: Why did this sentence make me laugh for a full minute?man this thread ain't shit |
Sep 15, 2017 2:24 PM
#186
| You think people should have their reviews off of MAL if they disagree with you.... salt |
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Sep 15, 2017 2:39 PM
#187
| people who can't type in legible english when making shitty forum posts shouldn't be allowed to use the internet. |
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Sep 15, 2017 2:42 PM
#188
| Honestly I'd just force people to pass a test for each series before being able to score or review it. It stops the people who did not pay attention or were stupid to not be able to harm a series statistically. |
Sep 15, 2017 3:10 PM
#189
| Pretty sure those go against the review guidelines and is probably worth a report to make the moderators take action. Could be wrong, although I would think that basing your negative opinion on a series because it's an ecchi/incest-esque genre that involves ecchi and incest is kind of pointless and isn't exactly a serious review. |
Sep 15, 2017 3:16 PM
#190
Xaelath said: It's cause you said you didn't give a shit about the animation and the music, and when it comes to anime these are like 2/4 main features. I'd say you still need to credit anime for that even though the story may be bad.SlightlyPebbled said: Xaelath said: I found it to be .. you know.. weird on different perspective. At some points i agree what you're trying to say but at the other points you're trying to say that people arent allowed to critics. Yes we should try to appreciate some but people have different taste that what caused the difference of the score. Talks about emphaty some people you know.. have different type of how emphaty works unless you're counting the shitout of people who love to become elitist and tend to critics everything to a perfection. I myself rate some great anime to 5-7 even dropping it for no reason other than "not interested" because i am just not interested not because its bad. Another example are when someone tried to pick Tokyo Ghoul the animation topic, the score are 7+ right? Me? i rate both for 4, although i dont give reviews. Why? because its a disgrace for the source materials or rather an insult. I dont really give a shit about the OP/animation after watching the cringy fans. Thats just me, though i love the manga and rate it 9-10. The anime? not so much. Fair points. but thats on my perspective, i know they had to cramp all the stuff in 12 episodes which end up a trainwreck. When i mention about op and animations it was about the Fans praised the anime because of the opening and the edgy character. Proper adaptation necessary unless the original route/anime route give the same or better impression than the source, for example its Koe no Katachi. but its still bad. I dont know why you mentioned "i dont watch anime because of the animation and music". OP would be the first impressions, bgm would be the filler gap, ED supposed to be a closure, with good tone you could make a summary of the anime without even watching it. The animation is bad, very bad for its standard. Its equal to something like Isekai no smartphone no tomo ni. I dont expect much for a pierrot studio. |
Sep 15, 2017 3:45 PM
#191
SlightlyPebbled said: Xaelath said: It's cause you said you didn't give a shit about the animation and the music, and when it comes to anime these are like 2/4 main features. I'd say you still need to credit anime for that even though the story may be bad.SlightlyPebbled said: Xaelath said: Anime and manga aren't the same thing, it's pretty unfair to hate on either of these just cause they're not the same, wtf do you mean with I don't watch anime cause of the animation and the music lol... Stick to manga thenI found it to be .. you know.. weird on different perspective. At some points i agree what you're trying to say but at the other points you're trying to say that people arent allowed to critics. Yes we should try to appreciate some but people have different taste that what caused the difference of the score. Talks about emphaty some people you know.. have different type of how emphaty works unless you're counting the shitout of people who love to become elitist and tend to critics everything to a perfection. I myself rate some great anime to 5-7 even dropping it for no reason other than "not interested" because i am just not interested not because its bad. Another example are when someone tried to pick Tokyo Ghoul the animation topic, the score are 7+ right? Me? i rate both for 4, although i dont give reviews. Why? because its a disgrace for the source materials or rather an insult. I dont really give a shit about the OP/animation after watching the cringy fans. Thats just me, though i love the manga and rate it 9-10. The anime? not so much. Fair points. but thats on my perspective, i know they had to cramp all the stuff in 12 episodes which end up a trainwreck. When i mention about op and animations it was about the Fans praised the anime because of the opening and the edgy character. Proper adaptation necessary unless the original route/anime route give the same or better impression than the source, for example its Koe no Katachi. but its still bad. I dont know why you mentioned "i dont watch anime because of the animation and music". OP would be the first impressions, bgm would be the filler gap, ED supposed to be a closure, with good tone you could make a summary of the anime without even watching it. The animation is bad, very bad for its standard. Its equal to something like Isekai no smartphone no tomo ni. I dont expect much for a pierrot studio. You get the point wrong. I stopped giving a shit to the op and the animation after seeing the cringy fanbase. Do you get it? The cringy fanbase already turned me down making me stop paying attention to animation and the infamous op. Giving credit or not that depends on each person, perhaps i would give it 6-7 for the anime but the root A probably 4-5. Why? Quality of animation isnt everything, its like judging game by its graphic. Music 2/4 of the main features is bs, i mentioned about op which is opening and i also mentioned ED. Thats only like 3 mins of the 24 mins aka 3/24, unless its a short anime 3/14-18. I prefer OST than OP and ED, although both will gave more impressions to watcher. Then again you do realise how terribly adapted tokyo ghoul were, alot of plot holes, skipped scene, bad and cringy character (KANEDGY!) because they didnt have character development uh yeah thts pretty much it, i am not much of an elitist but i dislike tokyo ghoul re because i did compare it to manga. It is unfair but if the anime itself already had the issues without even following the source theres no reason to recommend it. Also cringy fanbase? A week or month during and after the release i couldnt stop seeing people using kaneki as their profile picture. This video pretty much sum it up |
XaelathSep 15, 2017 3:53 PM
Sep 15, 2017 3:48 PM
#192
| Unless the anime was complete garbage, you should at least acknowledge some decent/good parts the anime had when writing a review |
Sep 15, 2017 7:24 PM
#193
Red_Ryu12345 said: funny enough that the show actually made a self joke about the protagonist but it doesn't work well since he's now an anime protagonist instead of LN. But I still get the original intentions. You said: ]Then you might not like 90% show under slice of life tag, lol I enjoy slice of life when it has a story or characters that actually matter or are likable. They aren't just a fetish/walking fanservice or some meme, which is pretty much everyone in the show outside of the main character who is generic light novel harem protagonist. SigmaticDoc said: your point? It's not denying that there's a lot of ecchu seinen too. You said: Pretty sure there's quite a lot of ecchi genre on seinen demographic too instead of just shounen, which means it's aimed for guys who are above 18. Now tell me if that ain't mature? lol There's a lot of ecchi genre on the seinen demographic, but it doesn't even come close to the ecchi on shonen demographic... Jakerams said: lol you seems like will be a good communist leader. Honestly I'd just force people to pass a test for each series before being able to score or review it. It stops the people who did not pay attention or were stupid to not be able to harm a series statistically. |
Sep 15, 2017 7:42 PM
#194
| Freedom of speech, friend-o. I will express my contempt for harem, fanservice, loli, incest and ecchi all I damn well please. If a show stupid or disgusting on a conceptual level, I'm not going to ignore that. Why exactly do you have a problem with people who's tastes differ from yours expressing those tastes, exactly? If you're really so secure in your own preferences, can't you enjoy a work regardless of critics bashing it? I like plenty of stuff that critics bash on. I'm not going to stop liking it because someone said so, but I'm also not going to say they shouldn't be allowed to criticize things I like. And if you disagree with that, you shouldn't be allowed to post your opinions on the internet. ;P |
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Sep 15, 2017 8:03 PM
#195
| I agree with what you are trying to say. I have seen many people complain about "too much fan service" on some obviously fan service focused ecchi series, or "nothing happens" on slice of life series. That is no difference from saying "Clannad is bad because it makes me sad." What these people are complaining about isn't about that specific anime, but the entirety of genre, which is stupid to be a reason for why he/she views that series negatively. |
Sep 15, 2017 8:07 PM
#196
| I'd say that they shouldn't be allowed to give it a score and bring down the average. |
IpreferEcchiSep 15, 2017 8:15 PM
Sep 15, 2017 8:17 PM
#197
chunng said: I agree with what you are trying to say. I have seen many people complain about "too much fan service" on some obviously fan service focused ecchi series, or "nothing happens" on slice of life series. That is no difference from saying "Clannad is bad because it makes me sad." What these people are complaining about isn't about that specific anime, but the entirety of genre, which is stupid to be a reason for why he/she views that series negatively. Some thoughts "Eromanga it's bad, because there's nothing happens. No explanation. No depths" i rate it 1 because it also promote incest and loli. "Monster Musume is a crap because there's no story. It's just fanservice fest without actual development from girls towards the MC". Well.. shut |
Sep 15, 2017 8:55 PM
#198
flannan said: Actually, "that's just your opinion" is a valid argument when somebody is trying to push his opinion onto other people. Yeah, I have seen you many times using that "argument." I am not surprise you think it's a valid thing. "That's just your opinion" is indeed a factual statement, but not even close to an argument. If that's a valid argument, then every debate or discussion that ever happened wouldn't have resulted in any conclusion. But, if you see it as a valid argument, so be it. I am not interested in chatting with someone who use "that's just your opinion" often & think it's a valid argument. Sorry. Thank you for your time. chunng said: I agree with what you are trying to say. I have seen many people complain about "too much fan service" on some obviously fan service focused ecchi series, or "nothing happens" on slice of life series. That is no difference from saying "Clannad is bad because it makes me sad." What these people are complaining about isn't about that specific anime, but the entirety of genre, which is stupid to be a reason for why he/she views that series negatively. But if you read the examples of the bad reviews the OP has given, they're not criticizing what makes the anime fall to certain genre(well, maybe the 3rd one is). Most of their points are quite valid. |
AServantSep 15, 2017 9:19 PM
Sep 15, 2017 9:37 PM
#199
| I understand the general idea and concern, because some people do have a hatred of genre that borders on kink shaming. (Such as me ranking a hentai show a 1 due to its gratuitous use of tentacles, which are not my fetish, and therefore perhaps should not be watching) At first, I may have thought it be the same reasoning to go against what is essentially genre hate, but again, the solution you proposed is too extreme. In any case, how does a review affect you, or the scores of the masses? In any case, I do recognize some validity to a measure, especially to criticize trends within a larger one or a specific subtype, hence is why I believe anime like Scums Wish, School Days, Netsuzou-NTR are inherently worthless in the same vein as The Jerry Springer Show and Maury. |
Sep 15, 2017 9:37 PM
#200
| So many people on this thread don't quite understand what OP is trying to say. The whole entire point about this thread is OPs dissatisfaction of reviews that bash a show for its tropes/genres and how they think that negatively reviewing a incestuous anime (example) for having incest shouldn't be allowed as a valid review when objectively speaking they did a good job if the incest is in good taste and therefore shouldn't be branded as "TRASH" in the review because of such a reason. For example, if I were to review a hentai and I said "How was this abomination of a concept even allowed to be put on a screen. There are women fully unclothed showing FULL nudity and even engaging in sexual activity with aliens tentacles in multiple orifices. The story seemed like it was written up by a 15 year old kid struggling with puberty and shouldn't even warrant a rating. The sound was appalling, all it was was water balloons being ferociously slapped multiple times over the course of 4 minutes until someone said "okay that's enough, take out the ketchup bottle and squeeze that shit, someone record that and we can call it a day". The characters were the worst part. The lead male was literally as self insert character with no personality and all the female cast was just 1 dimensional tropes with a pair of legs. I have no idea how people can actually enjoy this. Overall enjoyment is a 1. Complete waste of time". It sounds so stupid in context of calling a hentai bad for the reasons stated but for some reason its okay to call out niche tropes as bad for simply fulfilling what they intended to deliver on? OP isn't saying (at least I don't think so) that all reviews should be positive and negative reviews should be banned, far from it. having multiple outlooks on something can tremendously increase your perspective on somthing and understand its faults along with its strengths. The only thing they are saying are reviews shouldn't be allowed to criticize a show because of what it is. I think everyone should be allowed to review a show seeing as how it their opinion and as long as it isn't breaking guidelines why not. The worrisome part is people actually up-vote these reviews that call a slice of life anime boring or bad because the plot doesn't go anywhere when that is an integral part of the SoL genre. |
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