| People often badmouth certain anime because they don't ''take themselves seriously'' or they are ''too childish'' because they lack edge, no sympathetic protagonist with dead parents or the likes of it, no gore, no murder, nothing to keep the superficial viewer of thinking that ''hmm, this is definitely mature''. And on the other hand, some anime are criticized for being way too edgy to the point where it becomes redundant. Protagonist exists so people can feel sorry for him and so he can avenge the dead of his parents with his katana which is powered up by the blood of his enemies and with each slash he makes, a sudden backstory unveils telling us how poor he is, how tough he had it as a kid, how his mother was loving but died when he was too little... or something like that. Keeping it short : What do you think is the perfect balance between edge and lighthearted? |
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| The perfect amount of edge is somewhere between Chii's Sweet Home and Berserk. Your question is flawed though. It's not the shows fault for having incorrect edge balance or something. It's more about the viewer and how emo/edgy they are than the shows themselves. People that complain Tokyo Ghoul is for edgelords aren't edgelords themselves most likely. Same goes for people complaining about fluffy shows. There's something for everyone out there, the problem is the community mixes these people together and they start throwing shade at each other. |
as someone who really likes torture and pain Ive never reached a point were I say there is too much edge  but it has to at least have more than Madoka since I consider it soft core edge and a lesser version of Future Diary  |
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| There's no such thing as edgy anime, there are simply violent gory stories that are badly written (Akame ga Kill, Elfen Lied) and there are violent gory stories that are well written (Higurashi, Berserk). Answer to your question: FMA, Hunter x Hunter. |
| Hmm, you know what? Gintama does a good job at balancing darkness and light. Not the best job, yeah, but it still gives you enough "edge" to make you cry, and enough "lightheartedness" to make you laugh. Especially lately...wow. Edge. Lots of edge. |
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| I've never come across an anime and thought it was edgy. |
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| Elfen Lied and Mirai Nikki are probably the only show I can say perfect with the description. |
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| I seriously don't think "edginess" has much to do with a show's quality. I've watched Sakura Trick, which is about as edgy as a bowling ball, and thoroughly enjoyed it. I've also enjoyed Attack on Titan and Elfen Lied, which both involve oceans of gore and mountains of angst, suffering and tragedy, and enjoyed them deeply as well. I think it's possible for a show to shoot so far into "edgy" that it becomes either overwhelmingly depressing or flat-out ridiculous, but that's usually more due to a lack of much needed comic relief then it is to an excess of edge. This is why AoT's Sasha Blouse is among my favorite characters of all time; she is the comic relief in a series that needs comic relief like we need oxygen. I'd say that if a series refuses to laugh or crack a grin for a single moment, then it's likely gone "too edgy." |
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| As a psychopath, I must say Psycho-Pass |
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| Should you really think there'd be a "perfect amount (%)" that would be valid for each and every anime or manga, no matter what it does (not) try to be - then you seriously misunderstood pretty much everything. To begin with : anime/manga being a homogenous something, that no matter what genre(s), what ambition or not should all adhere to some whatever same rules. Even if two anime were of the very same genres (say: fantasy + mystery + mecha) : why should they strive to have the same amount of "edge" ? I mean, really, why? Maybe each is adressing a very different audience, maybe each is trying to accomplish a very different thing ... I really wonder - what made you think all anime would be from one and only one pot ? ------------------------- no sympathetic protagonist with dead parents or the likes of it, no gore, no murder, nothing to keep the superficial viewer of thinking that ''hmm, this is definitely mature''. blergh. :-d that's nothing to do with mature. that's actually quite immature imo., typically boys/girls feel the need to feel "special", maturing is (also) about accepting to live an ordinary life in this world. Enough already of this Peter Parker bullshit - "bohoohoo! A crook killed my mommy! bohoohoo!"/ "even-the-dumbest-moron-must-get-the-motivation-with-no-deviation/no-doubts" already. That's INSULTING! That is not "relatable", that's bullshit. >99'% of police force did not have their parents/wife/kids killed by some serial killer/ worldwide conspiracy. Any police series with this crap gets dumped immediately. I'd rather "Everyday life, divorced and the daily trouble with getting he kids taken care of, abusing her female-ness, Detective Laura Diamond" than some "some serial killer/worldwide conspiracy killed his/her mom crap. And actually, everyday life, daily happenings may end up being much more hilarious or interesting than whatever such conspiracy tral-la-la plot. |
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BannoBunka_snork said: Should you really think there'd be a "perfect amount (%)" that would be valid for each and every anime or manga, no matter what it does (not) try to be - then you seriously misunderstood pretty much everything. To begin with : anime/manga being a homogenous something, that no matter what genre(s), what ambition or not should all adhere to some whatever same rules. Even if two anime were of the very same genres (say: fantasy + mystery + mecha) : why should they strive to have the same amount of "edge" ? I mean, really, why? Maybe each is adressing a very different audience, maybe each is trying to accomplish a very different thing ... I really wonder - what made you think all anime would be from one and only one pot ? The lack of a like button on this forum is making me sad. Great points, Banno. |
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| >How much would you consider to be the perfect amount of edge for an anime or a manga? I think someone needs to slap those dude's faces with a [insert fappable CGDCT series] |
| I don't think there is a perfect balance. It all comes down to how an anime is written. An anime can be a super gory, angst trip and still be pretty entertaining. |
AholePony said: The perfect amount of edge is somewhere between Chii's Sweet Home and Berserk. Your question is flawed though. It's not the shows fault for having incorrect edge balance or something. It's more about the viewer and how emo/edgy they are than the shows themselves. People that complain Tokyo Ghoul is for edgelords aren't edgelords themselves most likely. Same goes for people complaining about fluffy shows. There's something for everyone out there, the problem is the community mixes these people together and they start throwing shade at each other. I did realize my question is flawed just now on the second re-read. But I guess I will keep it like that since people still seem to understand it. |
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BannoBunka_snork said: Should you really think there'd be a "perfect amount (%)" that would be valid for each and every anime or manga, no matter what it does (not) try to be - then you seriously misunderstood pretty much everything. To begin with : anime/manga being a homogenous something, that no matter what genre(s), what ambition or not should all adhere to some whatever same rules. Even if two anime were of the very same genres (say: fantasy + mystery + mecha) : why should they strive to have the same amount of "edge" ? I mean, really, why? Maybe each is adressing a very different audience, maybe each is trying to accomplish a very different thing ... I really wonder - what made you think all anime would be from one and only one pot ? ------------------------- no sympathetic protagonist with dead parents or the likes of it, no gore, no murder, nothing to keep the superficial viewer of thinking that ''hmm, this is definitely mature''. blergh. :-d that's nothing to do with mature. that's actually quite immature imo., typically boys/girls feel the need to feel "special", maturing is (also) about accepting to live an ordinary life in this world. Enough already of this Peter Parker bullshit - "bohoohoo! A crook killed my mommy! bohoohoo!"/ "even-the-dumbest-moron-must-get-the-motivation-with-no-deviation/no-doubts" already. That's INSULTING! That is not "relatable", that's bullshit. >99'% of police force did not have their parents/wife/kids killed by some serial killer/ worldwide conspiracy. Any police series with this crap gets dumped immediately. I'd rather "Everyday life, divorced and the daily trouble with getting he kids taken care of, abusing her female-ness, Detective Laura Diamond" than some "some serial killer/worldwide conspiracy killed his/her mom crap. And actually, everyday life, daily happenings may end up being much more hilarious or interesting than whatever such conspiracy tral-la-la plot. It's definitely immature but the sad thing is there are people who really think that's mature. |
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| Also, to make this clear. I do realize edge has nothing to do with the show's actual quality and writing cause many seem to misunderstand. I'm simply asking for your preference on edge. |
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| about three hundred kiloedge points |
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| As edgy as Kiritsugu. You know, stuff like gun and smoking. |
AzurealX said: Keeping it short : What do you think is the perfect balance between edge and lighthearted? All the way to lighthearted, like Dog Days, where the setting's inherent magic allows people to fight full-scale wars without anybody dying. Mature stuff doesn't have to be edgy. I think Demi-chan is a good example. Sure, edgy stuff can be good. But it needs to be good for some other reason than edginess. Having brave people who persevere in the face of all the edge is the minimum. |
| If it´s not Akame Ga Killing itself, it´s not edgy enough. |
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| The idea of "edge" is being dark for no reason. Usagi Drop has a main character with one dead parent and the other being a servant. This is what the story is about and although it's about death it doesn't have blood and it's not edgy. Yuru Yuri, Baka and Test, and Ore-sama Kingdom have characters who frequently nosebleed in place of erections and since it's only for comedy and no one's actually being hurt they aren't edgy either. An anime is edgy when it's far darker and gorier than the plot requires, such as Tokyo Ghoul. |
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What do you think is the perfect balance between edge and lighthearted? D. Gray Man comes to my mind the first. The series has a lot of lighhearted, comical moments, but, Hell if it's not too one of the darkest shounens I have ever watched, with lots of Nightmare Fuel material since the first chapter.It also manages to balance the scale between comedy and horror pretty well too (imo). |
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| Hellsing ultimate was too edgy for me As long as the plot is interesting I don't care about how much edgy the show |
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flannan said: AzurealX said: Keeping it short : What do you think is the perfect balance between edge and lighthearted? All the way to lighthearted, like Dog Days, where the setting's inherent magic allows people to fight full-scale wars without anybody dying. Mature stuff doesn't have to be edgy. I think Demi-chan is a good example. Sure, edgy stuff can be good. But it needs to be good for some other reason than edginess. Having brave people who persevere in the face of all the edge is the minimum. True, it doesn't have to be edgy. Look at the manga Vagabond for example, it doesn't try to be depressing and gory but it's still the most mature manga I've ever read. So many life lessons, philosophy, it's one of the most accurate portrayals of human mindsets in my opinion. |
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| 90°, otherwise it will just look deformed. |
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| I mean I like gore. The more gore the better. |
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| About 42% edge is ideal. That has been mathematically proven, I think. But seriously there is no perfect balance. Sometimes I want an edgy show, but that doesn't mean I want it to be badly written and full of random gore and shock factors and I only care about the edginess. Other times I want a light-hearted show but that doesn't mean I'm fine with any show where nothing happens and that bores the crap out of me. Sometimes I want something more balanced but that doesn't mean you can just throw in both elements without properly thinking about how to transition between them. There's more than one way of doing things right in terms of balancing light and dark elements in a show. Basically any combination is valid from one extreme to the other, it's just gonna make for different kinds of shows that appeal to different people. But no matter where on the spectrum a show falls there's always more to consider when it comes to whether I'll like the show or not. I think this should all be pretty much common sense but many people treat edginess not like something that depends on execution but just as inherently bad. @zombie_pegasus pretty much describes the prevalent misconception of what edgy means to a lot of uninformed fans who just parrot the buzzword usage. In reality it does not mean being dark for no reason, it just means "Tense, nervous, or irritable." "characterized by tension" "having a bold, provocative, or unconventional quality" etymologically based on 'edge' it is related to 'sticking out' and 'being on the edge' with the third definition being the most prevalent meaning when talking about fiction. Whether that is badly done (too much, a lack of purpose etc..) entirely depends on the execution. For example in my opinion Akame ga Kill is edginess done wrong, with no purpose behind it except being edgy as a kind of fanservice and using the quantity of death and violence as the only means to set itself apart, to 'stick out', to achieve unconventiality. Ghost in the Shell on the other is edgy in the best sense, having bold and unconvential ideas (for the time), being edgy intellectually with the ideas and concepts it presents and not just because of how it presents itself. Using it as a buzzword that just means 'bad' or 'dark = bad' when people want to insult a show makes it a useless term that always says way more about the person using it like that than it says about the show they are referring to. Personally I've always liked edgy stories and characters and probably always will, but that doesn't mean I don't have other standards that still apply and decide whether or not I actually end up liking the show. But an edgy premise will generally have it easier piquing my interest than a more conventional one. |
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| Enough so that it's must mature themes and violence on display tied together to a well-done plot and great characters, meaning that it is, by definition, no longer edge. |
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| Anime should be as fluffy as possible. |
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| Zero percent edge unless it's the lewd kind. |
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| It's going to vary depending on the themes, settings, and genre. For instance, as a pre-Madoka era Magical Girl show, Cardcaptor Sakura's 2nd film gets pretty dark by Magical Girl standards, but the dilemma facing the titular character in the closing third pales in comparison to any death-scene in the Magical Girl Raising project, a Post-Madoka show. Yet Sakura's entire pain and agony over the series is conveyed so much more powerfully because of the boderline-sugarbowl world she's otherwise lived in, while the main selling point of the Magical Girl Raising Project is "Battle Royale with Magical Girls". (I'm using the term 'Madoka era' because of the significant inspiration effect Madoka left on it's genre, akin to Evangelion on the Mecha genre). But alas, the above paragraphs aren't about edge, they are about the (assumed) effectiveness of the moments of darkness in their respective series. The terms 'Edge' and 'Darkness' are frequently blurred, if not directly interchanged, or in some extreme cases, crossed back and forth between eachother within the same argument. I personally prefer my edge to be sharp enough that I can do a quick and effective dry shave when I'm crunched for time, but without gouging/gashing myself. |
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