| @sasalx Nobody tells you to watch and like YoI and Shinsekai Yori. If the reason why you don't want to watch them is because "lol that's gay" and then tell people with a straight face you have no problem with homosexuality, you're going to lose credibility. I find ice skating cringey and dislike anything that has the romance tag from my experience so I wanted to ignore it, but this thread gave me a strong urge to watch it. Side note, I disliked No.6, not because it was gay but because it was bad. edit: I can see it coming, so please don't bring up the gay porn or hardcore yaoi argument. |
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Clebardman said: @sasalx Nobody tells you to watch and like YoI and Shinsekai Yori. If the reason why you don't want to watch them is because "lol that's gay" and then tell people with a straight face you have no problem with homosexuality, you're going to lose credibility. I find ice skating cringey and dislike anything that has the romance tag from my experience so I wanted to ignore it, but this thread gave me a strong urge to watch it. Side note, I disliked No.6, not because it was gay but because it was bad. -Watched Shinsekai Yori.In my Top 10 anime list. -Watched No.6 gave 7 -Watched 2 episode YoI.Dropped because I didn't find it interesting.Yes it is gay.I know.I don't want to watch it for that too.My taste thank you. -I "have no problem with homosexuality". That's shouldn't be that hard to understand.Like Voltaire said:"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." You can do whatever you want.You have the rights for that.I just don't watch it as an anime.That was my point in my porn example too. "edit: I can see it coming, so please don't bring up the gay porn or hardcore yaoi argument." As you know I did that with sarcasm.No need to do that again. |
| @Clebardman I mean think the otherwise.You like to watch incest in anime for example.That doesn't mean you want to fuck you sister right? I have a limited time and I don't want to spent it with an anime about gay relationship.Why this makes me homophobic?Beats me. |
| @sasalx ... Are you drunk or high? I can't understand what's your point in that first example, and stop beating that god damn dead horse, nobody's calling you homophobic. If you could take the time to actually READ what people write it would greatly help, dialogue is a two-way interaction. |
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Clebardman said: @sasalx ... Are you drunk or high? I can't understand what's your point in that first example, and stop beating that god damn dead horse, nobody's calling you homophobic. If you could take the time to actually READ what people write it would greatly help, dialogue is a two-way interaction. Well sorry.I just want to discuss someting in AD.My bad.Well also a dialogue needs two people so if you don't want to talk about it "What can I say?" First example was the otherwise as I mentioned. You have no problem with X but you don't want to watch X as anime. You like Y as an anime but don't like irl. I thought it was obvious. |
sasalx said: wow thats really homophobic of you, sasalx-sanClebardman said: @sasalx ... Are you drunk or high? I can't understand what's your point in that first example, and stop beating that god damn dead horse, nobody's calling you homophobic. If you could take the time to actually READ what people write it would greatly help, dialogue is a two-way interaction. Well sorry.I just want to discuss someting in AD.My bad.Well also a dialogue needs two people so if you don't want to talk about it "What can I say?" First example was the otherwise as I mentioned. You have no problem with X but you don't want to watch X as anime. You like Y as an anime but don't like irl. I thought it was obvious. |
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romagia said: sasalx said: wow thats really homophobic of you, sasalx-sanWell sorry.I just want to discuss someting in AD.My bad.Well also a dialogue needs two people so if you don't want to talk about it "What can I say?" First example was the otherwise as I mentioned. You have no problem with X but you don't want to watch X as anime. You like Y as an anime but don't like irl. I thought it was obvious. Shhhhh.Don't let them understand that.I am just a double agent. |
| they should just make only yaoi anime it's the only guarantee anime that sales in this buissness because of fangirls, just go look at Shounen Ai genre so many of them get a second and 3rd season |
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| OP is coming out as gay... don't worry, I fully support you and what kind of dumbass takes moral lessons from anime... |
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| Typical MAL (shit)posters are unable to understand or relate to the complex emotions and experiences of others? Color me shocked. Can we stop arguing with these people? You will never change their minds with words or logic, they are a bunch of pretentious chuunis who think they know everything. They will either mature through life experience or keep worshipping their brain-dead waifus for all eternity. A forum post damn sure won't make them suddenly develop empathy which would thereby allow them to enjoy romance of all kinds (as I realize I'm just wasting my time writing this stupid post, oh well.) P.s. I dropped Yuri on Ice. |
GoldNautilusDec 9, 2016 6:36 PM
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I caught something... No, that's to annoy the OP because they're incorrigible |
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| Ummmm, isn't that why yaoi exists? I'm sure you can find many love stories of gay dudes. Also, people need to stop acting like anime is catered to Americans when its not. |
GoldNautilus said: I (and I believe many others who are 'afflicted' by this syndrome) would appreciate it if you would discontinue your use of autism as an insult or derogatory term. If anything, autists steer clear of asocial discussions, and we certainly do not lack empathy. In any case, we have too much thereof and feel deeply for almost every individual we come in close contact with.Autistic otaku are unable to understand or relate to the complex emotions and experiences of others? Color me shocked. Can we stop arguing with these people? You will never change their minds with words or logic, they are a bunch of pretentious chuunis who think they know everything. They will either mature through life experience or keep worshipping their brain-dead waifus for all eternity. A forum post damn sure won't make them suddenly develop empathy which would thereby allow them to enjoy romance of all kinds (as I realize I'm just wasting my time writing this stupid post, oh well.) |
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| [quote=Trance message=48891047][quote=JCAPER message=48890969][quote=Trance message=48890951] JCAPER said: pretentious OP is pretentious. You see, that's a problem. If you don't have any problems with it, then it should be for you. Yuri!! on ice is great. And I'm not saying that considering only its romance aspect. It's generally just a great anime. Homosexual romance is just one aspect of it, and something that you admittedly are totally fine with as well. Yet still if you want to stay away from it for no other reason than this, then you have some insecurities about your sexuality. Or have some reservations about homosexual couples in general. I don't think its the romance part of it but more of the fanservice that puts some people off. A lot of my friends that dropped Yuri on ice were fine with the homosexual undertones in the first episode. They didn't really care that the guys were gay or not. A lot of them dropped after that one episode in the hotsprings with all the gay fan service. Not liking gay fan service is not the same thing as not liking gay romance. Regardless if it was gay or not a lot of people just don't like fanservice (unless it caters to them). It is not uncommon for fanservice to ruin an anime for someone if their is too much of it or if it is too strong. I think they probably would still be watching it if it were not for all the fan service in YOI. I see their point too I wish YOI had less fan service as well as turning down some of the comedy stuff because it lowers the emotional impact on some of the more serious scenes. |
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| this thread is just like any ecchi thread, but with a yaoi reskin. and just because people don't go out of their way to watch a yaoi or an anime with yaoi undertones "yaoibait". is no different than some saying they don't go out of their way to watch an ecchi anime. or how their experience was tarnished because there was a single panty shot. |
| Because the natural extension of certain anime fan's insistence that any guy who doesn't love T&A in anime must be gay is that anyone who likes that kind of show even a little bit is either a fujoshi or watches gay porn. Some people are only capable of thinking with their dicks and therefore assume everyone else is the same. Lestat- said: Masculinity is such a fragile thing, especially on MAL.I feel that women generally have a different view on this. I cannot say that I have ever come across a woman who was downright revolted by a relationship involving two females. It's upsetting how many men are simply disgusted when they see two men even holding hands. And in any of these anime targeted at a more mature audience (and by this I mean mature by social norms, not sexual ones) it doesn't go much further than holding hands or a brief peck here and there. |
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| the subtle homophobia in this thread 👌👌👌 |
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| "The very fact that it's given names of 'queerbait' is indicative of how many among us (excluding me) are insecure about their sexuality." I thought it was called fujobait. Because it is used to entice the 'rotten girl' stereotype to buy Blu-Rays/DVD and merch for the show, much like harems and soppy girls love are used to entice male otakus. |
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| Isn't it that these are guys who are threatened by sexy males, just as females are threatened by sexy females? I mean, if you had a Freezing poster in your bedroom, a female friend walking in would feel insecure. She'll see you can be attracted to other people other than her. The beautiful people threaten us. |
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| I don't really care....if a series is good then Ill watch it. I probably wont go out of my way to watch it though. |
| Lol @ this "homophobia" nonsense some of you guys are saying... Look, this is VERY simple...and I'm going to argue my points in a very simple manner. #1 The majority of anime fans are straight MALES....usually in their teens or early 20s...in other words still immature. #2 Straight males don't like gay stuff...and it's not because they are "homophobic", it's because, unlike females, males....especially straight males tend to have an aversion for male on male relationships...even when homosexuality isn't present. Look, think about it this way...if you see two girls holding hands, do you automatically think they're lesbians? No....they could be good friends. But straight males would NEVER do that...nor would we ever be too close with each other...unless we're in a fight of playing physical sports. #3 You guys understand a LOT of people LOVE to joke around, right? This IS the internet after all. Why do you think we use #No Homo all the time? Why do you think we like to call things we don't like "gay" or "fags" or whatever? This is how we like to joke around. Now with all that being said....NO, I don't like Yaoi or homosexual sports anime like Yuri on Ice and Haikyuu. We need MORE Yuri bait anime like Hibike, Keijo, and Flip Flappers. I'm ok with traps though....#No Homo. |
JustALEX said: Well homophobia is "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people" so if you have no problems watching lesbians or hetero kiss but go in panic if two guys do it then it is kinda homophobic.Lol @ this "homophobia" nonsense some of you guys are saying... #2 Straight males don't like gay stuff...and it's not because they are "homophobic", it's because, unlike females, males....especially straight males tend to have an aversion for male on male relationships...even when homosexuality isn't present. Kinda true but that's not a good thing, it's mostly an issue as it tends to (consciously or unconsciously) isolate homosexual from society or social groups. And I don't even think it is an instinctive reaction as someone said but more of a cultural one.Look, think about it this way...if you see two girls holding hands, do you automatically think they're lesbians? Yet you lavel Haikyuu as homosexual despite they play a physical sport and have a close friendship.No....they could be good friends. But straight males would NEVER do that...nor would we ever be too close with each other...unless we're in a fight of playing physical sports. #3 You guys understand a LOT of people LOVE to joke around, right? This IS the internet after all. They are not necessarily jokes. Internet gives a free pass to insult whatever you don't like.Why do you think we use #No Homo all the time? As a preventive defence towards your masculinity. That's why the term was born and it's use is kinda stupid as most of the hip-hop banter where the term was born.Why do you think we like to call things we don't like "gay" or "fags" or whatever? Because it has a negative connotation for a lot of people.This is how we like to joke around. Sometimes yes, sometimes not.Now with all that being said....NO, I don't like Yaoi or homosexual sports anime like Yuri on Ice and Haikyuu. However Haikyuu is not homosexual sport, it's you seeing it that way. |
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| @Pullman lol I agree. It's perhaps no different from a closet liberal acquiescing to a conservative point of view in an extremely conservative society. The best word I have for this is 'doublethink'. I don't intend to restrict it to romance anime only. Shin Sekai Yori is an excellent example in that romance isn't its main focus and it has homo-romance in it treated in the same manner that heterosexual relationships are treated. But apparently, even that spoiled many people's experience. And it is this hypocrisy that I wish to investigate. bodyslam said: Umm I cringed when I saw how unrealistically gay YoI was and I'm not even straight. I don't really care if it's in real life because it's probably never gonna be like it is in YoI or any yaoi anime/manga. Implying things are ever realistic, or even that realism is the norm, in anime. Anime, I see, is an exaggeration of everything realistic. It highlights in bright colors the mundane aspects of life (concept of nakama, for an instance) and that is the beauty of this medium. Aquamirror said: Just as sick as homosexuals, right? I can't really explain a natural instinct. And not everyone who dislikes male romance auto likes female romance, some people really can't stand homosexual romantic relationships. We call those people 'jealous' or 'insecure'. Unless you have a legit reason for not liking it -- for example your dad cheated on your mom with some uncle from the neighborhood and ruined your parent's marriage -- you are really either just jealous that people are having fun or you're insecure about your sexuality that you think you will turn gay by two people getting it on. JCAPER said: What now what? You want me to think of all movies inspired in real events and tell you one by one if I would watch it if they switched the couples? What exactly do you expect to come out of this? Ok, let me put it this way then: if the movie is about a gay couple romancing and that's it, even if the movie is based on real events, then the probability of me watching it is low. But if the movie is about a gay couple escaping the Nazis or something, then the probability of me watching it is high. That good enough for you? Yeah, it's good. Let's hope it's good enough for you too. TookMe6Years said: Eroticism has always been a bane to all civilization and society since the beginning of the first civilization. And you of all people should know it by now. Uh. Eroticism is not promiscuity. Eroticism is an art, promiscuity is a vulgarity. Societies fall when they become vulgar. Art sustains civilizations. TheBrainintheJar said: Isn't it that these are guys who are threatened by sexy males, just as females are threatened by sexy females? I mean, if you had a Freezing poster in your bedroom, a female friend walking in would feel insecure. She'll see you can be attracted to other people other than her. The beautiful people threaten us. As much as it is a legit reason, it is also the most dangerous and despairing one. Because if it really is the case that people cannot be selfless enough to appreciate beauty in life, even if it is not theirs and will never be theirs, then it only gives us a very despairing reality that most of us are still living a depressing, and selfish, life. Mika said: OP is coming out as gay... don't worry, I fully support you and what kind of dumbass takes moral lessons from anime... You missed the ceremony, poor man: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1569345 @JustAlex I understand what you're saying. But isn't this what we want to get rid of? I mean, in the Middle East, in the Middle fucking East, two men can kiss each other on the cheeks and it won't be seen as gay. So why the fuck does hand-holding have to be gay in the West? In fact, in ME, we even have famous stories of platonic love between two males which was borderline romantic. Shams and Rumi locked themselves in their library for 40 fucking days! and no one thought they were gay. Malik Ayyaz and Mahmud Ghaznvi are also another famous story. But somehow, the most progressive part of the world right now is also the one with the least intelligible societal concordance. |
| My legit reason is: I'm disgusted by it. The same way it's "natural" for gays to fuck each other, it's "natural" for me to be disgusted by it. Normal men don't hold each others' hands like that. I won't turn gay by watching moving paper, neither I am jealous of something that isn't real, but the fact that I see *that* happens already turns red lights in my head. You said it yourself you can't imagine kissing another man, so why can't you imagine other people not liking watch others doing it. I liked Shinsekai Yori and these gay scenes weren't a problem for me, because the show wasn't focused on that. I don't want to watch gay romance of the same gender as mine, it's simple as that. I don't have problems with gays and even if they do it in front of me I wouldn't really care either, but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching it. It's completely normal reaction and I don't see where's the problem with others sharing that view. Not everyone acts like you, you still want to call us wrong even after explaining ourselves. You forgot real gays in ME who publicly display their affection are thrown from buildings' tops and stoned to death, and men like to fuck little boys for fun. Cut the ME bullshit, we really know how people act out there. |
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| I'll just add that I don't find homosexuality disgusting, but it's not something I like to look at either. And I swear I'm a pretty reasonable individual. Hell, I got no problems fapping to traps....but let's face it...they're basically girls with dicks. In real life a "trap" wouldn't turn me on because it's difficult for a male to have feminine features. And that's what it boils down to...I'm attracted to the female body....a slender body with curves, a pretty face, a nice ass, long hair, no disgusting body hair. A male body does nothing to me...it's not sexy, it's not pretty, and it probably smells of sweat...ugh ! |
JustALEX said: I'll just add that I don't find homosexuality disgusting, but it's not something I like to look at either. And I swear I'm a pretty reasonable individual. Hell, I got no problems fapping to traps....but let's face it...they're basically girls with dicks. In real life a "trap" wouldn't turn me on because it's difficult for a male to have feminine features. And that's what it boils down to...I'm attracted to the female body....a slender body with curves, a pretty face, a nice ass, long hair, no disgusting body hair. A male body does nothing to me...it's not sexy, it's not pretty, and it probably smells of sweat...ugh ! Idk there are some pretty hot crossdressers/tgirls Traps are sexy af though. I'm kinda with you....I'm not really into yaoi. I'm not against it either. I think the only one I watched was Love Stage. I only watched it cause the main character is hella feminine....def trap level quality. The main character also crossdresses sometimes. |
| This thread has definitely taken a turn I was expecting from the start. Topics revolving around sensitive ideas like homosexuality never end well considering this strife has already been in circulation for years but even up to now people still haven't come into an agreement. There's always this double standard among men. Apparently, fighting over who's the best waifu, masturbating to lolis or hentai with revolting themes such as tentacle rape, furries and gang rape is okay but seeing an anime with a homosexual pairing (gays in particular because even lesbians are favored among male viewers) automatically makes its fanbase disgusting. I fail to see how these "disgusting" fujoshis are the scum of the earth when the Yuri on Ice sub-forum is pretty civilized. It only becomes messy when there are sensitive males, who shouldn't even be there in the first place if they detest the idea of homosexuality so much, intentionally creating discord among the fanbase. Masculinity is such a fragile thing, isn't it? |
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| But two guys being in love with each other is so gay I'm a straight masculine male and I'm not a homo #nohomo BRB gotta go fap to some yuri and futa porn |
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Aquamirror said: My legit reason is: I'm disgusted by it. The same way it's "natural" for gays to fuck each other, it's "natural" for me to be disgusted by it. Normal men don't hold each others' hands like that. Using the nature argument and saying "it's not normal" without defining normality first. Instantly invalidates anything you say and makes you lose any kind of credibility lol. @Comic_Sans I'm not homophobic dude but men holding hands isn't normal. I'M NOT INTOLERANT, I'M NORMAL! |
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Clebardman said: IKR, I die a little bit on the inside every time I witness two dudes doing something gay. STILL I DON'T HATE GAYS@Comic_Sans I'm not homophobic dude but men holding hands isn't normal. I'M NOT INTOLERANT, I'M NORMAL! |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I never referred to the "normality" problem. If it's ok to be gay why isn't it ok to not feel attraction to gays? Why are you so insecure? Not enjoying watching gays doesn't mean I want to kill you, neither that I'm gonna spit on you, neither that I will ignore you, neither that I will treat you like a lesser human, I won't really do anything negative against you. It's simply my choice to avert my look, coming from something that I can't control freely without being irked, you wouldn't even notice that. It's a natural biological reaction. If that's what homophobic means to you, sure, but you are creating your own problems and I'm not at fault here. As JUSTAlex said, I'm not attracted to the male body, so any romantic closeness between men is simply uncanny to me. |
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| @Aquamirror assuming that I'm gay because there's literally no way a straight and "normal" male wouldn't be disgusted seeing two men golding hands. lol. |
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Aquamirror said: If you had been removed from any form of social interaction since your very birth, and thereafter at the sensitive age of eighteen, you would have been placed in front of two men kissing, embracing, or merely holding hands, you would have thought of it as entirely natural and normal. What has occurred is that you have fallen victim to a social construct which is only a modern phenomenon, and unfortunately it adulterates the pliable souls of young men these days, biologically the weaker sex and more vulnerable to change. In ancient civilizations, homosexuality was a common formula, especially when men were away for battle — both the females at home sought one another, and the men on their campaigning as well. In the animal kingdom, a variety of species have shown homosexual relationships with their kinship in many forms; primates, canines, felines, reptiles, fish, birds and amphibians, all show homosexual behaviour. Now, what is more natural than "base" animal behaviour?My legit reason is: I'm disgusted by it. The same way it's "natural" for gays to fuck each other, it's "natural" for me to be disgusted by it. Normal men don't hold each others' hands like that. I won't turn gay by watching moving paper, neither I am jealous of something that isn't real, but the fact that I see *that* happens already turns red lights in my head. You said it yourself you can't imagine kissing another man, so why can't you imagine other people not liking watch others doing it. I liked Shinsekai Yori and these gay scenes weren't a problem for me, because the show wasn't focused on that. I don't want to watch gay romance of the same gender as mine, it's simple as that. I don't have problems with gays and even if they do it in front of me I wouldn't really care either, but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching it. It's completely normal reaction and I don't see where's the problem with others sharing that view. Not everyone acts like you, you still want to call us wrong even after explaining ourselves. You forgot real gays in ME who publicly display their affection are thrown from buildings' tops and stoned to death, and men like to fuck little boys for fun. Cut the ME bullshit, we really know how people act out there. It is immensely unfortunate how herd-like behaviour appears as a main factor of our social interaction nowadays. Do what another does, think what another thinks, and adhere to every social "rule", as long as we are accepted and tolerated by the majority of others. The creation of one's own consciousness and awareness apparantly no longer functions in many brains. That is perhaps why we haven't evolved in ages and why mankind is heading toward its downfall. |
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Aquamirror said: I never referred to the "normality" problem. If it's ok to be gay why isn't it ok to not feel attraction to gays? Why are you so insecure? Not enjoying watching gays doesn't mean I want to kill you, neither that I'm gonna spit on you, neither that I will ignore you, neither that I will treat you like a lesser human, I won't really do anything negative against you. It's simply my choice to avert my look, coming from something that I can't control freely without being irked, you wouldn't even notice that. It's a natural biological reaction. If that's what homophobic means to you, sure, but you are creating your own problems and I'm not at fault here. As JUSTAlex said, I'm not attracted to the male body, so any romantic closeness between men is simply uncanny to me. You kinda did though. You said normal guys don't hold hands, implying that homosexuals aren't normal. |
| You are again trying to put me at fault for not sharing your views. I never said every male should be disgusted by that, I'm simply sharing my own reasons why I don't enjoy watching "gay" anime. The problem exists only in your head, because apparently me not liking something you think everyone should is problematic and apparently there's something wrong with me for thinking like that although I never pose a danger to anyone because of it and nobody would even notice it. Is it social construct's fault? Yeah, maybe, but I don't see why should I be forced to like something that disgusts me. You are the one building the wall, not me. |
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| Obviously some people are just homophobic but I don't think the point of this thread was to really talk about that. I think with non-homophobic straight men choosing to not watch gay romance, I feel that it's an empathy thing, at least for me anyway. When seeing straight/lesbian romance I can think "I understand why this character would be attracted to this female character, because I feel the same way", that's empathy right? But when it comes to gay romance it's more like "I understand why this character would be attracted to this male character" but it's not empathy, it's sympathy. I think this means I place less value on romance when it's gay romance than when it's straight romance. I don't mind it being in there and I think any romance can be a plus when done well, but it (gay romance I mean) is not a selling point for me. |
| Yeah, I find it disgusting when 2 guys are in romantic relationship together and I won't watch anime like that because I don't want to, as I like to identify myself with the protagonist. At the same time I never said anything bad about it, always supported freedom for same-gender love and I generally have "do what you want" attitude to this topic. And yet I'm called insecure and homophobic. |
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