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ShinsoPriest said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: I already linked it in this thread but here http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-book-gt-toriyama-intro/ >I left the Dragon Ball anime completely up to the anime staff, story and all >Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball >side-story Lol, Akira is only giving his approval of GT, he doesn't consider it a part of the main story. It's non-canon. His statement in that interview while inconclusive does lean more towards canon than noncanon. It's a little moot at this point as he's told people post RoF to just think of GT as an alternate timeline though. |
Kai_Mikoshi said: 1: If my memory serves me right, Gowasu only watches over all life forms in Universe 10. He never said that he has met many mortals in the past, but watches over them. Even if he did, it still makes me wonder what mortals Gowasu tested the Potaras on, or has seen used the Potaras. Hence why I can't wait until this answer is revealed (Hopefully in the next episode). It suprised him, sure. But that doesn't excuse the fact that the extra 2nd new rule added to the Potaras made it even more useless than the Fusion dance itself. 2: It can go either way, which most definitely makes it a retcon, not a further explaination. I honestly have no idea what you mean by saying "meaning there's no way it can remained fused inside Buu". The fusion dance allowed both Trunks and Goten to be fused within Buus absorption goo. Elder Kai stating that it's a poor imitaion of the Potara earrings meant that the Potara earrings truly fuses 2 warriors into one incredible fighter for the rest of their lives, with both powers actually combining instead of making both warriors power levels even. 3: That's just a weak assumption, because Trunks throughout the Black Goku arc never said that Goku was with the Supreme kais to train him. If he was with the Supreme Kais, how and why would trunks forget to tell Goku, Vegeta, and the rest of the Z crew about it? The spirit bomb is King Kais move, no one else's. Period. Back in the Buu saga, when Vegeta asked Goku to use the Spirit Bomb, the Supreme kais looked a bit baffled on what they were talking about, and the only ones to reply to this idea was King kai and obviously Goku, since they were the only ones who have seen and who has knowledge on performing the technique. 4: The spirit bomb forcefully takes energy away from all living life forms , except humans. Humans have to hold up their hands in order for the spirit bomb to be executed by the user, who which again, forces the ki energy out of them if they hold their hands in the air. Humans who know nothing on how ki works can't give energy away without the Spirit bomb being activated. Heck, any character from the dragon ball series can't give their energy to another unless their right by that said character. So them chanting Trunks name to give their energy to him was a Deus Ex Machina. Trunks then performing the Spirit Sword (I'm going to call it that for now), made zero sense. Because again, he doesn't know how to collect peoples energy from a far distance to make an energy blast. 5: Good point. However, it took Bulma a few days or so to fix that time machine. So the time was pretty much specified. There's no way Trunks could've gotten that strong (especially sense they weren't in the time chamber) to get to the semi-blue form. 1: Saying it's more useless than the Fusion Dance is pushing it. Fusion Dance has half the duration, and also has less time when too much power is used. And after they defuse, they have to wait an hour before they can fuse again. It's unknown if the earrings can be spammed in usage. 2: Poor imitation implies it's unstable... Like if you make a poor imitation of a sword, it'll break easier. Get it? If the superior fusion is defused from Buu's innards, than the inferior fusion dance should defuse too. But it doesn't. 3: No one asked, or it wasn't important? I don't know, blame Toei or maybe it'll be explained next episode. I'm just giving situations where it could make sense. Actually, no. They didn't even acknowledge it, they were focused on using the dragon balls. 4: It doesn't "forcefully" take energy away from living things. It borrows energy. What Goku did against Buu was take more than usual in order to beat Kid Buu, and the humans who were not trained in Ki were noticeably tired out upon raising their hands. They don't have to raise their hands. The spirit bomb naturally gathers energy from all living things. And King Kai's explanation of the spirit bomb says it can borrow energy from people just fine. No forcefulness involved. Assuming he learned it from dead future Goku, and modified it to his sword fighting needs, it would make sense. 5: Maybe those few days were enough to get enough exposure to god ki to effect his transformation when in a rage? It's just guesswork at this point. |
ShinsoPriestNov 15, 2016 6:51 PM
SSJ4Life said: It could be used, it won't though, you'll see. Right, that's the end of that. Well, when you call somebody a try hard for trying to explain asspulls and offer nothing else to the discussion, I'd have to call you a hater out of spite. SSJ4Life said: I hope I'm wrong, but I bet this BS Trunks pulled at the end won't be explained. It would be catastrophic if they didn't explain anything about Trunk's new powers in the next episode. I couldn't defend it after that. |
| I don't understand why so many people get angry at the fact of potara fusion don't be eternal... I mean, one way or another, they could split up (like Shin and Kibito did...) to me, was better this way, because they, at least, gave an explanation to that nonsense in Buu's arc ("the fusion is eternal.... but ended when they were absorved by Buu because..... reasons") Vegetto x Zamasu fightning was really good... nice movements... Trunks participation was really a little forced... but, I was already waiting for something like this... he is the "main hero" from this future, and from this arc... even if he came back to the past to ask for help, still wouldn't look good if Goku and Vegeta just finish off the main enemy for him... was better for the script Trunks giving the final blow... (using human's energy is even better... pass the mesage of "don't underestimate the humans" that they was hintting during the whole arc... even considering Trunks is half-sayan ^^' )... you think this don't make much sense? Ok... but, this is Dragon Ball... don't say this isn't normal... (the transformations and thecniques are always so powerfull as the writters want... ) and, considering all, I think is still aceptable... Zamasu was already falling apart since Goku's kamehameha, plus the fight with Vegetto... and turn your own body bigger is the DB flag for "I'm trying to use an amount of power that my body can't endure... I'll lose soon" ... don't mean Trunks got more powerfull than Vegetto Blue... he just was there to finish the job... (Vegetto was obvious overcoming Zamasu... if he wasn't splitted up, he would finish him soon... they just made Trunks give the final blow for script's sake... isn't a big deal) |
| This anime is complete bullshit at this point. I remember back in the day DBZ was cool because it had blood as well. Here, Zamasu gets cut in half and rainbow starts coming out. What a joke. |
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| Vegito's fight was so onesided, he'd beat him if it weren't for the even shorter time limit. I guess Trunks managed to land the final blow because Zamasu already got trashed real good, and maybe Black's half just kept poisoning him from inside. I do wish Vegito finished the fight, even though it makes more sense for Trunks since it's his arc. Guess next episode is the farewell and then some little arc with Zenoh before the next big one that might be the tournament. BliuBliu said: This anime is complete bullshit at this point. I remember back in the day DBZ was cool because it had blood as well. Here, Zamasu gets cut in half and rainbow starts coming out. What a joke. Wait it's bad because there's no blood? Are you 12? |
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| Trunks simply stole the show on...of course his own Arc! Vegito Blue beyond godly powerful! I think this could match Beerus-sama! if not and then add more 10x Kaioken Vegito Blue! 5/5!!! |
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SD_CV said: Why would they spam potara earrings if they had a permanent time limit? Wouldn't they just really hesitate instead since they do not want to be permanently fused? Above anything else the recton that just happens means that they will not the fear of being permanently fused they will have more of the incentive to do it more in dire situations?Good episode :D From storytelling point imo the limit is perfect. Otherwise might as well spam potara every time. |
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No, you're 12 for thinking I suggested that. I was just pointing out that one of the reasons kids liked DBZ back in the day is because it had blood. It was cool. |
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Sasuketr said: One sided was when vegito ssj2 played with buuhan. |
He barely had a scratch there against buuhan and i think he was ssj2, since vegeta could go ssj2 at that time as well. The point is, vegeto indeed struggle and no it was not a one sided duel. I also saw so many inconsistencies people don't even mention, like goku full kamehameha vs zamasu, trunks vegeta combined galic gun vs zamasu, goku ssjblue kaioken vs zamasu, and the worse one is trunks random power ups. Black goku was toying with trunks and vegeta in his base form, all of a sudden trunks can go toe to toe with merged zamasu? Vegeta trained 6 months in the time chamber (time chamber time zone if i remember right) to beat black in ssjblue form, while trunk was mostly hiding with humans and throwing couple of ki blasts to Zamasu's. Who to blame though, it all started with the freaking lazer beam almost killing goku way back in the day to give us a lesson ( dont lower your guard down). Or a rock hitting goku in the head thrown by mere Krillin! I guess we need to let things go and pretend it didnt happen. |
Sasuketr said: He barely had a scratch there against buuhan and i think he was ssj2, since vegeta could go ssj2 at that time as well. The point is, vegeto indeed struggle and no it was not a one sided duel. I also saw so many inconsistencies people don't even mention, like goku full kamehameha vs zamasu, trunks vegeta combined galic gun vs zamasu, goku ssjblue kaioken vs zamasu, and the worse one is trunks random power ups. Black goku was toying with trunks and vegeta in his base form, all of a sudden trunks can go toe to toe with merged zamasu? Vegeta trained 6 months in the time chamber (time chamber time zone if i remember right) to beat black in ssjblue form, while trunk was mostly hiding with humans and throwing couple of ki blasts to Zamasu's. Who to blame though, it all started with the freaking lazer beam almost killing goku way back in the day to give us a lesson ( dont lower your guard down). Or a rock hitting goku in the head thrown by mere Krillin! I guess we need to let things go and pretend it didnt happen. Lightning, and/or extra spiky hair are signs of a SSJ2. Vegito looks like a SSJ, and he's never referred to as a SSJ2 in any media. Vegito is clearly winning, so it's one-sided. And he's still his smug self after he got "hurt" by Zamasu in the clash. If you call that struggling, than you'll have the call the gif I posted him struggling. Goku wrecked his arms using his full power kamehameha, and combined Galick Gun didn't hurt Zamasu. Kaioken is OP so that one can slide. Note how they all had to put everything they had into scratching Zamasu, while Vegito puts way less effort in overwhelming him. Trunks I already explained previously. |
SSJ4Life said: Actually, those gif aren't canon. Buuhan didn't landed a single hit on Vegito. Just a magical candy beam, and not even as a candy Vegito struggled, so... Is the Super anime canon even though it has its own manga? If not, than the non-canon material of Z is fair game. |
ShinsoPriest said: Kai_Mikoshi said: 1: If my memory serves me right, Gowasu only watches over all life forms in Universe 10. He never said that he has met many mortals in the past, but watches over them. Even if he did, it still makes me wonder what mortals Gowasu tested the Potaras on, or has seen used the Potaras. Hence why I can't wait until this answer is revealed (Hopefully in the next episode). It suprised him, sure. But that doesn't excuse the fact that the extra 2nd new rule added to the Potaras made it even more useless than the Fusion dance itself. 2: It can go either way, which most definitely makes it a retcon, not a further explaination. I honestly have no idea what you mean by saying "meaning there's no way it can remained fused inside Buu". The fusion dance allowed both Trunks and Goten to be fused within Buus absorption goo. Elder Kai stating that it's a poor imitaion of the Potara earrings meant that the Potara earrings truly fuses 2 warriors into one incredible fighter for the rest of their lives, with both powers actually combining instead of making both warriors power levels even. 3: That's just a weak assumption, because Trunks throughout the Black Goku arc never said that Goku was with the Supreme kais to train him. If he was with the Supreme Kais, how and why would trunks forget to tell Goku, Vegeta, and the rest of the Z crew about it? The spirit bomb is King Kais move, no one else's. Period. Back in the Buu saga, when Vegeta asked Goku to use the Spirit Bomb, the Supreme kais looked a bit baffled on what they were talking about, and the only ones to reply to this idea was King kai and obviously Goku, since they were the only ones who have seen and who has knowledge on performing the technique. 4: The spirit bomb forcefully takes energy away from all living life forms , except humans. Humans have to hold up their hands in order for the spirit bomb to be executed by the user, who which again, forces the ki energy out of them if they hold their hands in the air. Humans who know nothing on how ki works can't give energy away without the Spirit bomb being activated. Heck, any character from the dragon ball series can't give their energy to another unless their right by that said character. So them chanting Trunks name to give their energy to him was a Deus Ex Machina. Trunks then performing the Spirit Sword (I'm going to call it that for now), made zero sense. Because again, he doesn't know how to collect peoples energy from a far distance to make an energy blast. 5: Good point. However, it took Bulma a few days or so to fix that time machine. So the time was pretty much specified. There's no way Trunks could've gotten that strong (especially sense they weren't in the time chamber) to get to the semi-blue form. 1: Saying it's more useless than the Fusion Dance is pushing it. Fusion Dance has half the duration, and also has less time when too much power is used. And after they defuse, they have to wait an hour before they can fuse again. It's unknown if the earrings can be spammed in usage. 2: Poor imitation implies it's unstable... Like if you make a poor imitation of a sword, it'll break easier. Get it? If the superior fusion is defused from Buu's innards, than the inferior fusion dance should defuse too. But it doesn't. 3: No one asked, or it wasn't important? I don't know, blame Toei or maybe it'll be explained next episode. I'm just giving situations where it could make sense. Actually, no. They didn't even acknowledge it, they were focused on using the dragon balls. 4: It doesn't "forcefully" take energy away from living things. It borrows energy. What Goku did against Buu was take more than usual in order to beat Kid Buu, and the humans who were not trained in Ki were noticeably tired out upon raising their hands. They don't have to raise their hands. The spirit bomb naturally gathers energy from all living things. And King Kai's explanation of the spirit bomb says it can borrow energy from people just fine. No forcefulness involved. Assuming he learned it from dead future Goku, and modified it to his sword fighting needs, it would make sense. 5: Maybe those few days were enough to get enough exposure to god ki to effect his transformation when in a rage? It's just guesswork at this point. 1: I guess that means the FD is 100% useless now. If SSB only has 5 minutes of usage when using the Potaras, then imagine how much the time shortens when using the FD. 2: Here's the thing though, it could be easily explained that the reason why the FD didn't end as soon as Gotenks entered inside Super Buus body is because they were wrapped inside the absorption glob, which protects them from Buus enzyme/bad breathe/negative energy. 3: So since Kami is the God of earth (Of every living thing) he automatically knows how to use the kamewave, and tiens strongest move. 4: Yeah, I meant borrowing. Thanks for correcting that for me. Still doesn't change what I was trying to convey. And if the humans didn't raise their hands, what else were they supposed to do? 5: God exposure? That's a new one. I guess we'll have to find out this Sunday. |
Kai_Mikoshi said: 1: I guess that means the FD is 100% useless now. If SSB only has 5 minutes of usage when using the Potaras, then imagine how much the time shortens when using the FD. 2: Here's the thing though, it could be easily explained that the reason why the FD didn't end as soon as Gotenks entered inside Super Buus body is because they were wrapped inside the absorption glob, which protects them from Buus enzyme/bad breathe/negative energy. 3: So since Kami is the God of earth (Of every living thing) he automatically knows how to use the kamewave, and tiens strongest move. 4: Yeah, I meant borrowing. Thanks for correcting that for me. Still doesn't change what I was trying to convey. And if the humans didn't raise their hands, what else were they supposed to do? 5: God exposure? That's a new one. I guess we'll have to find out this Sunday. 1: Pretty much. But Gogeta wasn't a canon fusion anyway so it wouldn't have mattered. 2. Either theory is valid. 3. Kami is the Guardian of Earth. He oversees everything that happens from his lookout. The possibility of him knowing the Kamehameha or Dodon Ray is likely, but whether he can perform them I can't say. Technically they're just different forms of outputting ki, so it doesn't really matter one way or another. I'm talking about the older Kami btw. Dende is a newbie from Namek, so he wouldn't know as much. 4. Nothing? The spirit bomb would draw energy regardless. Raising hands just makes them give more energy, and be drained in the process. The kids and everyone who were cheering for Trunks didn't seem drained at all. 5. It's just something I read elsewhere. |
| Animation was really good in this episode! Though I wonder why Goku never thought about using the Genkidama before. Oh, anybody notice how Zamasu's death is rather similar to Janemba's (talking about the whole light effects coming out of him). |
Zamasu going berserk after Goku knocked him down a few times was a really cool scene. |
Marron3KNov 19, 2016 11:20 AM
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| Vegito <3 Trunks sliced him up, just like he did with Freeza. |
| Why are you people whining about ASSPULLS in DRAGON BALL? I'm sorry but if Master Roshi can destroy the moon then anything can happen in Dragon Ball and you have to accept it. |
| best episode so far...!! 10/10 |
| Zamasu made a nice Two-face before they went on mking him hideous (Bio-Broly look-alike) to reduce the violence of killing a human villain. I suppose it's better for the children. As soon as Gowas talked about the new limitations of the fusion (yeah, so that's why it waited to cease that Bejito removed his cover back in Buu's body -_-), I knew the time would be reduced by their power exactly like Gotenks SSJ3 phase. At least, it was a treat for a category of fans I guess. And there were a few short scenes with well shown movements. Then came the last iteration of Super's "techniques coming out of nowhere": a spontaneous Genkidama, yeah! Thanks for the music (not on par with the good ones of Z though) but it won't make the apparent nonsense more digest. 2.5+/5 New rules for the potara,monstrous form and spontaneous Genkidama? -_-" @Valaskjalf What is the moon for the strongest man in the world? |
Rei_IIIDec 7, 2016 6:26 AM
| Hell of an episode, Trunks pulled through with that Spirit Sword attack which was awesome, Vegito was great as well which was surprising as I thought they would never fuse like that again due to being stuck in that form forever but I guess they came up with rules that actually make sense and don't feel like a total retcon. I like how the power of Trunks is being called an asspull, this is Dragon Ball so I am not surprised with mysterious power ups anymore but at the same time I do not find it hard to believe that he is such a powerful character since he has been battling and surviving against God level beings for quite a length of time and since he is a Saiyan he gets power boosts through these fights, essentially a race with unlimited potential so in the end its very hard for that stuff to ever bother me. |
| The way they won was not satisfying.. Well at least we saw goku and vegeta fuse. |
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| Oh man Vegito was great, but Trunk's magical sword out of nowhere like from Zelda was not really needed and made it even worse. |
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| Super Saiyan Blue Vegito + some asspull weird version of spirit bomb? It could have been better. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Amazing episode. This animation! 5/5 Logic? Dragon Ball never had logic. |
| cool stuff, i really like the sword-genkidama. overall not as great as DBZ but still enjoyable. |
| Trunks is a badass. |
| i don't fuckin' get this hype over Vegito i like Future Trunk the most; he doesn't have the saiyans' cockiness and he is efficient. and smart (lets not forget the missing sealing amulet for Mafuba *cough* it's a shame that Piccolo made the tutorial video in the end for nothing #stopbullyingPiccolo ) |
FrigyesurOct 24, 2017 8:45 PM
| Yeah so... Trunks cut the bad guy in half again. Go trunks. |
GangsterCat said: Tempus36 said: trunk the biggest plot armor hereI realize that in DB characters are as strong as they need to be beacuse plot but this was too much. Vegito in SSGSS was unable to beat Zamasu and you mean to tell me that Trunks ( his power-up is still bullshit btw.) with some energy from humans ( from completely ravaged Earth no less!) was able to beat him? Hahahaha, lol nope. Remember good old times with DBZ? Like when they needed energy from ALL of the universe ( and Otherworld) and the whole Z-Team to beat Buu. And here to beat opponent stronger than Buu Trunks just needed energy from few humans? This is too much of a stretch. Even for DB. >ss2 fighting on par against ss rose with goku and vegeta ssb >get ssb aura just because he rage >survive marathon 12 hours? holding both black and zamasu >outpowred potara zamasu with galick gun >bullshit spirit sword well, at least it's cool sword battle i guess...? Please can you tell me what is plot armor means?? |
| man this episode was full of asspulls, but I can't imagine a more satisfying conclusion to the fight |
| Watch again Vegeta and Goku merged, the best of the episode!!! |
| rt gotta chill.... this was Trunks fight in the beginning so its all good... and there wasnt a change of rules because Vegito fight with buu the seperation also happened with same time[/quote] yes, I think you are correct...When both were inside the body Buu, we can considered that run this time, but we suppose that this separation was because they were inside a body, but in truth is a time, 1 hour!!! kekeke |
| The last minutes were very common, i disagree with you, it was cliche!!! |
| Furu pawaa da!! Goku beat the blast. Zamasu's face. Goku fucking up Zamasu. Goku's arms. Kaio-ken! The halo disappeared. Son Goku!!!! Dat arm. The potara earrings? The combining effect of non-kaioshin lasts for an hour? So it wasn't because of being inside of Boo? Yuugou shokan! Ideyo! Vegetto! SSGSS Vegetto. Dat sakuga. lol I knew Vegetto was going to get him with his blade. Sore wa dou kana. Zamasu is getting bigger. Trunks just put power into his power. Final Kamehame-Ha! WTF! They split? Trunks blocks the attack. WTF! Everyone is glowing. Genki dama? Genki dama sword? Right through the nuts. Dat ending. What. The. Fuck. |
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