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nobody199 said: katzdragons said: Maybe Tengan wasn't sure if Mitarai even had such a video. I mean, why would Mitarai tell him he made a hope video? He probably set up the killing game to at least get Mitarai to make a hope video if he didn't already have one. Tengan probably figured that he would have to take drastic measures to actually convince Mitarai to use the video because he probably wouldn't be too eager to use it. Hence why Tengan set up the killing game. I'm pretty sure if Mitarai saw all of the Future Foundation members dying off one by one, he'd consider the hope video a necessity to use to get rid of the despair because he would feel like it was a last resort. This is how the killing game was relevant. As for when Mitarai made this video, he probably had it made a while back but was reluctant to use it because of the role his talent played in creating the Tragedy. He probably just made it as a sort of last resort. As for using the video, I don't think Future Foundation would have agreed to using it considering it's essentially brainwashing, which is what fucked up the world in the first place. Also, you have to remember that Mitarai has had bad experiences with brainwashing videos so it wouldn't make sense for him to spill the beans to Future Foundation anyways. Besides, that video is EXTREMELY unethical. I mean, taking away a part of someone's emotions? I don't know why anyone would think about using it. I am saying the use of hope brainwash as mean to revert the despair brainwash, I know nothing about brainwash but considering this is Danganronpa it isn't the most impossible thing. Mitarai obviously wants to be useful, so why not telling about the hope brainwash to the future foundation? Maybe they could use their resources to improve the brainwash. Of course it's unethical, but considering that Naegi's option takes too much time take effect and is prone to have obstacles I can see the most pragmatical members agreeing to such option. But that's okay, I could accept that Mitarai decided not to tell, but at one moment they must and did discover how people managed to become "infected" with despair( it was a brainwash) so they didn't think how conviniently that they have a guy with the skills to create a solution and revert it's effects? In the end it's not about Mitarai not agreeing, if Tengan is capable of killing those he calls precious people, why can't he threat Mitarai directly instead of creating a killing game to send that exact message? Tengan broadcast the video and kills Mitarai, the only person with the capabilities to revert the brainwash of hope. Why Mitarai needs to guide humanity? Aren't they with hope now? There will be no more conflict, so why a leader? There is no need for rules anymore mankind is friendly and free. Huamanity didn't receive the despair brainwash, Junko only used it in Hope's Peak to cause the initial tragedy, the rest of humanity screwed themselves over because despair became a meme Mitarai was afraid of using the Hope video because it's basically as bad as the despair one, Tengan was losing power in the FF to Munakata and he was also nearing the end of his life, the world wasn't really changing and it would only get worse with edgy Munakata at the top of the FF so Tengan used the killing game to wipe out the supposedly corrupt branch heads and force Mitarai's hand Thi all happened becaue Yukizome was secretly screwing the Foundation over from the very beginning, Junko explains as much in the final part of the episode |
| I need help with something. Is there an English native speaker or someone with advanced English knowledge to clear me something? How much time does "Several years ago" implies? Thanks in advance. |
Dreams_of_Neko said: Basically more than 2 years but not many. Its meant to be a vague way to describe a small amount of something.I need help with something. Is there an English native speaker or someone with advanced English knowledge to clear me something? How much time does "Several years ago" implies? Thanks in advance. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: Basically more than 2 years but not many. Its meant to be a vague way to describe a small amount of something. I see. So a small amount? In this episode, it starts with "several years ago" and then I remembered the start of episode 8, in Kizakura's flashback, it also said "several". I found it weird, because, how many years passed from the 78th killing game? 3 or 4? Why not use "few" instead? I felt like by "several" they meant like 10 or more. |
Dreams_of_NekoSep 28, 2016 10:36 PM
| Sooo... Can anyone tell me I should raise my hope that Kirigiri is still alive? I remember that there was supposed to be 2 extra person that was still alive, and we see in the previous episode that one of them is Sakakura, and it seems that the other one is not Tengan... So... could it be the last one is Kirigiri? |
amc9988 said: Sooo... Can anyone tell me I should raise my hope that Kirigiri is still alive? I remember that there was supposed to be 2 extra person that was still alive, and we see in the previous episode that one of them is Sakakura, and it seems that the other one is not Tengan... So... could it be the last one is Kirigiri? Eh...not sure about this, but since they are connected, it is a possibility. And that possibility is in chapter 5 of This would also totally change the perception there is currently about Tengan. Gonna continue my questions from this episode: Dreams_of_Neko said: Gonna post my impressions and questions of this episode based on possibly non-official subs, so feel free to correct me. Anyways, i'm still confused with the whole thing. Naegi's explanations in both situations (how the killings happened and Tengan's actions) doesn't completely convince me. Not sure if it is a problem with the production/direction of the story or if this was intended to be a way to deceive us from the truth that should be reveleaed on Kibou. The main question that has been even made since the beggining of this thread was: How come Tengan wasn't expecting Mitarai to come? Naegi even says there is the possibility that he wasn't invited. And that meeting was supposed to be a secret one. So then, who invited Mitarai? Tengan must definitely had some involvement in the making of this killing game. Kirigiri comments (in ep. 3) how he didn't seem that worried. But then, he kept company to Kirigiri. There are 2 options here: hinder Kirigiri's investigation or protect her from people like Juuzo or Munakata. But then, when Munakata had Naegi as a hostage, instead of letting Kirigiri go, he offered himself and told her to do what she knows, which is investigate. He even sent Mitarai with her. Kirigiri didn't seem to have much problem being in company of them. She also didn't leave Mitarai behind when the fake exit door appeared. This would mean that she had a certain grade of trust in them, or even maybe she understood Tengan's intentions and tried to guide Ryota. Sorry, my post is getting cnfusing due to my pills, so i'll leave it here. Gonna post a few last theories in another thread and then go to sleep. So excited to finally get to know tomorrow how things are gonna end, and also sad that it is actually gonna end. It has been a fun ride. Reading and watching everything related to this series and then theorizing at the speed fo light. Some were correct, some not and some were awfully oh-so-despairingly wrong. I enjoyed this. Hope I had actually the time to get prepared, couldn't rewatch completely the games, but eh, shit happens. |
Dreams_of_NekoSep 28, 2016 11:46 PM
| I am not a fan of Mitarai having such an important role in this after being sidelined for the entire series, I am also not a fan of the whole video of hope bullcrap, even though it's technically just another hypnotic footage. If Tengan was not infected by despair, and assuming that he was the one who set up this whole thing, why did he give Kirigiri such a ridiculous restriction/NG? What's the point of having her dead by the 4th round? There are still a lot of question marks left by this series alone, which hopefully will be answered in the Hope arc. The soundtracks / OP / ED of this series are fantastic, some of the tracks are disturbing and chill-inducing, did an amazing job setting up the atmosphere. |
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| Meh. I already lost interest in DR3 about 3/4 into it. This finale didn't really change that. It was intriguing early on though. 6/10 Basically I think Danganronpa should've just ended after DR2. That was enough. Didn't need more. But we'll see if D3v3 can shake things up properly or not. I hope it will. |
Harlequina said: Meh. I already lost interest in DR3 about 3/4 into it. This finale didn't really change that. It was intriguing early on though. 6/10 Basically I think Danganronpa should've just ended after DR2. That was enough. Didn't need more. But we'll see if D3v3 can shake things up properly or not. I hope it will. No Danganronpa shouldn t end In danganronpa 2. They will be left with a lot of plot hole. What happen To Monoca,members of Future foundation and explanation of how Junko takver over the world and why 77 class become despair. End It Danganronpa 2 will be bad so no Danganronpa 3 continuation was needed. |
| I rewatched few episodes many times and I can't stop shivering to see a bottle glides away (actually from asahina's direction) and a big red of santa clause's trashbag at asahina's back *at kirigiri's dead scene. The heck how these things appeared from nowhere in a locked room? And also I'm still confused how tengan with moved all of the participants. I can't imagine how he with his authorities prepared things all alone. Even bandai has checked entire hall, and nobody remains except the participants. Although the game itself were programmed automatically by mere videos, i feel might be a chance there are successors of tengan outside of the underground building. Dreams_of_Neko said: amc9988 said: Sooo... Can anyone tell me I should raise my hope that Kirigiri is still alive? I remember that there was supposed to be 2 extra person that was still alive, and we see in the previous episode that one of them is Sakakura, and it seems that the other one is not Tengan... So... could it be the last one is Kirigiri? Eh...not sure about this, but since they are connected, it is a possibility. And that possibility is in chapter 5 of This would also totally change the perception there is currently about Tengan. But then it might also contradicted that the upper building was already collapsed in first part of ep 9 (before mechagahara's, kirigiri's and ruruka's dead) so basically the outsider couldn't easily to go inside the ground building in such time limit moment except hiding in somewhere. And so the possibility of existence is incredibly low :') |
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| They ended the Future Arc with a cliffhanger since they're gonna release the Hope Arc today, I suppose. It felt a little underwhelming if that were to be the end of it. I still have my hopes up tho <3 Tengan tricked Mitarai into using his brainwashing video and it's less than 30 minutes until the whole world (and Monaca in space) becomes free of despair and shackled by hope. The scenes were tense with action. Asahina seems exhausted. Munakata now faces big trouble by bringing two swords to a sea of bullets. He'll find a way out of this~ His Monokuma eye scar and how he groomed Chisa's corpse was a nice sight for some reason. The hope video was kind of pleasant to hear too. Chisa and Junko decided to watch Mirai-hen with us in the afterlife lol. Hagakure tried to interrupt Naegi's demise...it wasn't very effective. But Togami came to the rescue. Yay! |
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Kirigiri50 said: Harlequina said: Meh. I already lost interest in DR3 about 3/4 into it. This finale didn't really change that. It was intriguing early on though. 6/10 Basically I think Danganronpa should've just ended after DR2. That was enough. Didn't need more. But we'll see if D3v3 can shake things up properly or not. I hope it will. No Danganronpa shouldn t end In danganronpa 2. They will be left with a lot of plot hole. What happen To Monoca,members of Future foundation and explanation of how Junko takver over the world and why 77 class become despair. End It Danganronpa 2 will be bad so no Danganronpa 3 continuation was needed. Danganronpa 3 was absolutely not needed in the slightest. DR2 left things open to interpretation and it should have stayed that way. All of UDG ended up being completely pointless too with how casually they swept that under the rug in DR3. DR3 has introduced more plot holes than it solved. Hell, there weren't even any plot holes left to solve. |
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Loogs said: Kirigiri50 said: No Danganronpa shouldn t end In danganronpa 2. They will be left with a lot of plot hole. What happen To Monoca,members of Future foundation and explanation of how Junko takver over the world and why 77 class become despair. End It Danganronpa 2 will be bad so no Danganronpa 3 continuation was needed. Danganronpa 3 was absolutely not needed in the slightest. DR2 left things open to interpretation and it should have stayed that way. All of UDG ended up being completely pointless too with how casually they swept that under the rug in DR3. DR3 has introduced more plot holes than it solved. Hell, there weren't even any plot holes left to solve. You people just saying this because you don t like Danganronpa 3. This why you people keep complaining and whining about this. I say It is need well lets leave at that. If you don t like, Danganronpa 3. I suggest you not watching anymore instead of endless complain and whining. |
DemonDarknightSep 29, 2016 5:37 AM
Kirigiri50 said: Loogs said: Danganronpa 3 was absolutely not needed in the slightest. DR2 left things open to interpretation and it should have stayed that way. All of UDG ended up being completely pointless too with how casually they swept that under the rug in DR3. DR3 has introduced more plot holes than it solved. Hell, there weren't even any plot holes left to solve. You people just saying this because you don t like Danganronpa 3. this why you people keep complaining and whining about this. I say It is need well lets leave at that. If you don t like Danganronpa 3 I suggest you not watching anymore instead of endless complain and whining. I didn't like DR3 because I thought it pretty much did a disservice to the source material by trying to needlessly fill in its blanks with unsatisfying answers to questions that never needed to be answered. I love this series, but it's totally not exempt from criticism because of that. If anything, I'm more likely to be extra hard on it when it falters because I have such an attachment to Danganronpa and it's so disappointing that DR3 ended up being this weak when DR1 and 2 are such solidly written games. There's only one more episode left, anyway. I'm interested to see if they somehow manage to salvage this sinking ship or if they go all in on the messy nonsense. |
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katzdragons said: Nyshade said: Mediocre episode in my opinion, it feels rushed and many things don't make sense. Tengan's plan was half-assed and nonsensical. Ratings are gonna plummet lol. Anyway, we'll see I suppose. It's not really nonsensical. What are you confused about? I just don't understand why it seemed necessary to make members of FF kill each other so Mitarai would broadcast the video. Besides, knowing what Junko did (the whole brainwashing-video thing), why would it seem like a viable option to release a brainwashing video for hope? It's not better than what Junko did. |
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Loogs said: SH4kun said: It gave us Juzo and Munakata, though. But yeah, besides those two and expanding the Despair sisters giving them more screentime, the conclusion is pretty awful. Juzo is the one good thing this added to DR canon. Pfft. I beg to differ. He's a hilariously, in a bad sense, silly and idiotic character to me. Guy's a total fool. To each their own. |
Ravenousinal said: Pfft. I beg to differ. He's a hilariously, in a bad sense, silly and idiotic character to me. Guy's a total fool. To each their own. I mean, he was a total moron who spent the whole show exclusively fucking up, but he also had the only competently written arc in DR3. His writing is far from perfect, obviously, but compared to all the other fuckery going on I thought he came out the best in the end. |
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| I guess I have high expectation for this episode to me it just an ok episode.. Munakata was so freaking cool in this episode. But then... another brainwashing video???? TBH, I prefer Despair arc ending more than this one. I know Kibou will answer the questions but lot of explanation need to be done. It still entertaining to me but indeed it lack of something. I love that Togami is back and that ahoge guy is now inside the building. I was screaming happily when I saw them. sigh.. hinata, plz fix this.. and naegi too.. he somehow quite useless in this final future arc. |
MoNYeTLeWaT said: But then it might also contradicted that the upper building was already collapsed in first part of ep 9 (before mechagahara's, kirigiri's and ruruka's dead) so basically the outsider couldn't easily to go inside the ground building in such time limit moment except hiding in somewhere. And so the possibility of existence is incredibly low :') I never said they would enter the building after the game started, or that they needed to enter it at all. The fakes could have been already arranged inside the building before the meeting, and there should be a room to preserve those bodies. However, after watching the Kibou episode, this theory of mine has been negated. |
nobody199 said: MightyM16 said: Huamanity didn't receive the despair brainwash, Junko only used it in Hope's Peak to cause the initial tragedy, the rest of humanity screwed themselves over because despair became a meme Mitarai was afraid of using the Hope video because it's basically as bad as the despair one, Tengan was losing power in the FF to Munakata and he was also nearing the end of his life, the world wasn't really changing and it would only get worse with edgy Munakata at the top of the FF so Tengan used the killing game to wipe out the supposedly corrupt branch heads and force Mitarai's hand Thi all happened becaue Yukizome was secretly screwing the Foundation over from the very beginning, Junko explains as much in the final part of the episode Because it became a meme? Seriously? I only watched the first show, zetsobou-hen and this and don't recall anything like that, could you show me what part refers to that, I really didn't know. My impression was that the despair brainwash was used on a global scale. Yes, Junko didn't broadcast her killing video throughout the world, despair just became a meme   Again, Tengan's motives are very clear and don't bother me. I just don't see the need for a killing game, in fact it's because of the killing game, ironically, instead of being killed during the sleep gas attack, that the so called corrupt members had a chance to escape. The point of the killing game was to make it so that a remnant of despair extermintated the Future Foundation tocreate a vacuum of power and force Ryota's hand Tengan literary had no other choice in his mind, he lost hope in humanity after he saw what the FF turned out to be like (with Munakata being edgy and trying to destroy despair through war alone) so when Yukizome gave him the info about Ryota and the videos he saw it as his last chance of doing something instead of dying and letting the FF to Munakata In my opnion, I think this has to do with the fact the old man regreted what he was doing and purposely gave them a chance to fight back. That's why the killing game, as a test of faith, of believing in hope, to see who really is pure and not influenced by despair. Because if what you say is true then he could have just used the sleep gas, tie them and send a video to Mitarai showing him killing and torturing them one by one. This is an interesting point of view, I think Tengan might have thought that too after all if the FF worked together, most of them would have lived and he would be able to trust them again but as we see that didn't happen at all |
FadingFeel said: yeah this is the part ive said is retarded. I assume he did it so mitarai couldnt just end the killing game.JizzyHitler said: mitarai was supposed to only hear about the killings afterwords which would push him over the edge to brainwash the world. Yes, I am aware of that. However, if Tengan was the one who gave the NG bracelets to the FF members, then why give Mitarai an NG code that prevents him from using his abilities if Tengan WANTS him to use it to brainwash everyone in order to bring back Hope? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
rutile said: Exactly my thoughts...this is stupidest ending i have ever seen in my life. video of hope? just stop. and tbh, tengans plan was stupid. making the ff kill themselves so mitarai could use his video???? im sure you could found a more peaceful way with a little bit of thinking. ...at least we got based weedman. such despair.. |
| Poor Mitarai, he thinks that what he is doing is good but... As someone said above " hope can be bad too", or at least too much hope. |
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| This episode was actually pretty good for the build up for the last episode or for the conclusion xD lol even tho this is the last episode for this series. pretty fucked up. although i think the whole strory and plot was well executed and really entertaining for me, i don't think the animation was that good compared to the very first of danganronpa series. |
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| That is one of the stupidest plot points I have ever seen in my life. Really? Tengan created a game where people DIE to get Mitarai to show his damn video to the world????? REALLY???????? Ugh. Other than that, I really enjoyed this series. Some parts were a bit slow for me, but I'm looking forward to the Hope special... |
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Criscosandwich said: That is one of the stupidest plot points I have ever seen in my life. Really? Tengan created a game where people DIE to get Mitarai to show his damn video to the world????? REALLY???????? Ugh. Other than that, I really enjoyed this series. Some parts were a bit slow for me, but I'm looking forward to the Hope special... TsundereHeart said: wtf why doesn't this series conclude DR3? Why is there another special episode? hm, Tengan's motivations seemed a bit dumb. nice job fucking up and killing off the majority of the leaders of the hope of the world? anyway I'm rating this particular series a 8/10 on MAL. Have to watch the special to see the rest of the story though I'm pretty sure Tengan didn't care about killing most of them seeing as the FF was currently already rotten to the core |
| The more I watch, the more ridiculous the plot gets. I am still unconvinced how some high school girl was able to brainwash masses of people into killing themselves. Anime logic, I suppose. Yes, women can be murderers, evil, manipulative and there have been many female criminals who are fucking scum but it's hard to believe that no one was able to bring her down a long time ago when she isn't invincible in any way. I'm highly convinced that the people she DID brainwash were a bunch of sensitive losers who were effortlessly manipulated and they were all mentally weak. I did enjoy the "gore" in all its censorship and pink blood. I suppose I'll be one of those annoying jerks who say that the game is better than the Anime although this is supposedly original. |
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| I either misuderstood this anime or it ended being quite stupid. If Tengan wasn't despair and just really wanted the anime guy to broadcast the hope video couldn't he just find another way? People died just for that... That was really disappointing. On another note Togami is such a boss! Gotta watch the other Danganronpa 3, maybe things will become less stupid after watching that. |
asukaori said: I either misuderstood this anime or it ended being quite stupid. If Tengan wasn't despair and just really wanted the anime guy to broadcast the hope video couldn't he just find another way? People died just for that... That was really disappointing. On another note Togami is such a boss! Gotta watch the other Danganronpa 3, maybe things will become less stupid after watching that. The Tengan thing was pretty stupid, but you do realize that you're supposed to watch 1 episode of Future Side and then 1 episode of Despair Side right? They're not supposed to be watched separately, if you do, you'll lose 50% of the experience. |
Uchiha_Shadow said: asukaori said: I either misuderstood this anime or it ended being quite stupid. If Tengan wasn't despair and just really wanted the anime guy to broadcast the hope video couldn't he just find another way? People died just for that... That was really disappointing. On another note Togami is such a boss! Gotta watch the other Danganronpa 3, maybe things will become less stupid after watching that. The Tengan thing was pretty stupid, but you do realize that you're supposed to watch 1 episode of Future Side and then 1 episode of Despair Side right? They're not supposed to be watched separately, if you do, you'll lose 50% of the experience. I didn't know that, thanks for letting me know. |
| that was cool except the focus was not on the game but about different ideologies about hope between Munakata and Makot. That also was so boring and unnecessary, the only reason i gave it a 7/10 was because kirigiri died and i hated her stuck up persona. |
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| Interesting way to end this as an introduction for the Hope Arc and the next (final) episode of this whole story? I still prefered the despair arc above the future arc, but in general it was a good marathon watch! |
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| Finally this is over.... |
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| Onto the Kibou-hen! 7/10 |
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| Don´t like much this ends!!! The solution to the puzzles was a little childish, a easy solution without deth plot!! This last episode was a little boring, and i have more spectations, and was a little boring!!! In sunmary the plot of the series was right, but arrives the episode 7 or 8 begin to down, and the bardom nexto to the desespeation begin to invaded me xD 5/10. |
| I don't feel that satisfied with the ending. Especially when the post credits scene seemed to indicate the Hope Arc would be the true conclusion. Kind of frustrating honestly, how this anime can't seem to just wrap things up neatly. Still I'd be hard pressed to say I didn't like this series. I enjoyed it way more than the Despair Arc. And I didn't hate the Despair Arc. This one just felt more like a Danganronpa story though. There was a neat little mystery, that took some thinking to figure out. Hell I never figured it out before they explained it to us. And given it wasn't set up to things we mostly already understood, it was just more exciting watch. Still I think I'm just going to give it a 9/10. Partially because as funny as it was, Junko recapping the series for us was just frustrating. I'm like dying over here to see what happens next. And you're just trolling me for the last five minutes of the show. Well Makoto's not dead, Byakuya and his G Men came to the rescue. Hopefully they get to Aoi in time too. Munakata's lost so much it may be kinder if he just gets gunned down in that hallway. But guess I'll have to just watch the Hope Arc now to find out. Thank god it's only an episode. Because I am dying for a sense of conclusion here. |
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