If view on anime is subjective, why don't people just say they like or dislike anime instead of calling it good or bad?
| title say it. instead of just saying they like or dislike it, why do they call it bad or good when it's just a matter of preference? Discuss. EDIT: Ok clarify, Of course when criticizing something, i think it's better to use the word good and bad because we add reason and explaining why we think so. But here i'm refer to when people just saying "it's good" "it's bad" with adding any reason behind it or something the reason that is added doesn't go beyond one liner (realistic, likable, epic, amazing, *insert buzzword/empty word* etc) |
Ceren-Sep 14, 2016 8:27 AM
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Good and is subjective as well. Morality is subjective.  |
| Cause people won't be triggered if you say that you dislike it so might aswell say it's trash 10/10 worst animu ever. |
| Because calling something bad or good is easier and faster in the long run. That, and mostly everyone thinks their taste is superior so they use words with the connotation that they're right and everyone else is wrong kudos to my comp teacher for spending an entire 2 months teaching me what tf connotation is |
bucketofwormsSep 10, 2016 8:34 PM
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| When they said like or dislike .They must have reason to explain why they liked/disliked it.And their reason is Subjective Furthermore the 'Good' and 'Bad' is somewhat too aggressive for being used |
RioAlSep 10, 2016 8:37 PM
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| I could say that I don't like one piece since I know it isn't bad. But I could say boku no pico is bad because it is. |
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LeWeebJames said: But you know know one piece is a bad series, a snail narrative with one dimensional character, how can we just say we dislike it when the red flag is all over the place?Cause people won't be triggered if you say that you dislike it so might aswell say it's trash 10/10 worst animu ever. |
CactiiSep 10, 2016 8:40 PM
| I don't know why... Maybe because one dude explained it like that and others have followed it and makes it a habit... |
| Because it's a fact that they think it's good. |
Spooky_E said: Nigga that was weak,gotta try harder then that to bait me.LeWeebJames said: But you know know one piece is a bad series, a snail narrative with one dimensional character, how can we just say we dislike it when the flag is all over the place?Cause people won't be triggered if you say that you dislike it so might aswell say it's trash 10/10 worst animu ever. |
| Because humans are selfish creature and as always, 'bragging was part of it as Pride it is. Pride is one of the ultimate sins and believe it or not. we love it. |
| Mushoku Tensei is the best harem light novel out there and Rudeus is my man'. . . |
| i find the term "bad" very annoying and agree with this completely, however this is the internet and you can't troll, bait or shitpost w/o the use of those terms |
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| But there are good stuff that I don't appreciate despite being good (Monogatari comes to mind) and bad stuff that I like even if they're bad (Another). Liking and disliking are not always inherently tied to quality. |
LeWeebJames said: what was and always what one piece fanboy said when someone point out about one dimensional character.Spooky_E said: Nigga that was weak,gotta try harder then that to bait me.But you know know one piece is a bad series, a snail narrative with one dimensional character, how can we just say we dislike it when the flag is all over the place? "bait" huh? what a great way to dodge criticism. |
| Concluding your statement or review or criticism with "but that's just what I think." lacks a certain blithe grace of persuasion. Some readers might not appreciate your condescending to prompt them to find fault in your opinions, it could suggest that you think they would take your word in high esteem if not for your contriving to remind them that you, too, are only human. |
OchimushaSep 10, 2016 9:01 PM
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| I kind of think both are different things. I mean, you can not like a show but still appreciate its values, or just think it's directly bad. For example I don't like JoJo's first part Phantom Blood but appreciate what it tries to do. It kind of looks like that what you are saying lowers the value of criticism on a piece of work in some sense or it's like when people get offended when someone says a show they like is bad and say "Okay if you didn't like it that doesn't mean it's bad lmao I don't want to feel insulted". |
MohitVermillionSep 10, 2016 9:09 PM
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Spooky_E said: I'm not dodging anything lmao but I won't argue with a retard that thinks a mc in a fuckn shounen anime is supposed to have insane character development.Lmao i'm schleep cuh gimme your ring.LeWeebJames said: what was and always what one piece fanboy said when someone point out about one dimensional character.Nigga that was weak,gotta try harder then that to bait me. "bait" huh? what a great way to dodge criticism. |
| If they say it's good or bad, then it's pretty obvious if they liked it. |
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LeWeebJames said: how about a retard who think development need to be insane?Spooky_E said: I'm not dodging anything lmao but I won't argue with a retard that thinks a mc in a fuckn shounen anime is supposed to have insane character development.Lmao i'm schleep cuh gimme your ring.what was and always what one piece fanboy said when someone point out about one dimensional character. "bait" huh? what a great way to dodge criticism. characterization doesn't need to be insane to get out of one dimensional character zone. |
| This seems like a PC theme. Everybody has an opinion and that is okay... but I would never be able to say that SAO is on the same quality of a Ghibli Movie. There is a clear distinction between a quality work and a piece of trash. |
| After the discovery of the "objective opinion" here on MAL, I am of the mind that the community has become so obsessed with ratings that they think their opinion is actually correct. Entitlement at its finest |
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Caesar said: Concluding your statement or review or criticism with "but that's just what I think." lacks a certain blithe grace of persuasion. Some readers might not appreciate your condescending to prompt them to find fault in your opinions, it could suggest that you think they would take your word in high esteem if not for your contriving to remind them that you, too, are only human. MAL is infested with hive-mind replicant robot drones though, so it's only proper to bludgeon them with your superior humanity. |
SilverDio said: But instead of point out the lack in quality, people just go with the easiest way, "it's bad" "it's shit". when the core of problem is just they don't like the show.This seems like a PC theme. Everybody has an opinion and that is okay... but I would never be able to say that SAO is on the same quality of a Ghibli Movie. There is a clear distinction between a quality work and a piece of trash. If you search hard enough, you can easily find an article that praise SAO in what it has. So in the end of the day it's just a matter of preference but people use good or bad to show that what they like are superior to what other people like. |
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Lol... Well if so, then go ahead and kill everyone who are against your path... @kamisama751 Show yourself and let this niggas kneel before you.. EcchiLordMamster said: i find the term "bad" very annoying and agree with this completely, however this is the internet and you can't troll, bait or shitpost w/o the use of those terms Lol... To be honest, if you ask Google-sama both have a the same meaning. Though internet really is a good place for changing Google-sama's diction and definition... SilverDio said: This seems like a PC theme. Everybody has an opinion and that is okay... but I would never be able to say that SAO is on the same quality of a Ghibli Movie. There is a clear distinction between a quality work and a piece of trash. Mhhh... Enlighten me OP, how can you distinguish a good series to a bad series? is it like: If you like SAO then you might like [i]Re:Zero[i/] |
BRB-kun said: But there are good stuff that I don't appreciate despite being good (Monogatari comes to mind) and bad stuff that I like even if they're bad (Another). Liking and disliking are not always inherently tied to quality. i don't get it. how are you qualifying work as good despite not liking it and vice versa. do you evaluate works on some pre-establiahed criteria,rejecting elements or qualities which makes you like it. i first like something and question myself what elements made me like it and consider those as quality how can you say another is bad show if you like it. aren't things what made you like it constitutes quality,strong points overweight flaws when you say you like it let's say you list all the flaws and strong points of a work which are subjective ofcourse how can you determine the value of flaws and strong points without taking into account your liking so how can you say a show is good or bad without considering your liking so even objectively you can't quantify or classify quality |
nooneheredudSep 10, 2016 9:33 PM
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| Because that's stupid on 2 different levels. |
   "Wielding one's blade out of duty alone is what it means to be a captain. Wielding one's blade out of hatred is nothing more than petty violence. That is not what we would consider battle." |
| Because why would those terms even exist if that was the case? MAL threads are sinking faster and faster by the minute. |
rektr said: BRB-kun said: But there are good stuff that I don't appreciate despite being good (Monogatari comes to mind) and bad stuff that I like even if they're bad (Another). Liking and disliking are not always inherently tied to quality. i don't get it. how are you qualifying work as good despite not liking it and vice versa. do you evaluate works on some pre-establiahed criteria,rejecting elements or qualities which makes you like it. i first like something and question myself what elements made me like it and consider those as quality how can you say another is bad show if you like it. aren't things what made you like it constitutes quality,flaws overweight strong points when you say you like it let's say you list all the flaws and strong points of a work which are subjective ofcourse how can you determine the value of flaws and strong points without taking into account your liking so how can you say a show is good or bad without considering your liking so objectively you can't quantify or classify quality Because quality of animation, voice acting, characters being fleshed out, and rate of plot progression are things that can be evaluated quantitatively. Take my example. Monogatari has great graphics, top tier voice acting and extremely fleshed out characters. The plot is something you evaluate subjectively, but I know it is a good anime, just not my taste. While Another has nothing going for it aside from atmosphere and an above average animation. |
AltoRoark said: Because why would those terms even exist if that was the case? MAL threads are sinking faster and faster by the minute. Just because the term is exist doesn't mean people use it correctly. |
| It's fine to judge certain aspects of any given show as good or bad (animation, writing, overall plot, character progression, etc)... where I feel people get it wrong is their own enjoyment, as you say people liking or disliking a show. It's OK to enjoy something that's "bad." This may sound simple or obvious, but many seemingly feel the need to defend themselves (or their favorite anime) when their show is criticized. As if you can't be caught having "lousy taste" or something, that any anime that resonates with you personally MUST be good. It doesn't have to be. You can analyze a show critically, find faults, and still enjoy it. Like I said, stupidly simple, but some don't seem to grasp this. Conversely, there are those who can get a bit too spiteful (to say the least) when they find others enjoying something they personally hate, but I won't get into that. |
JG_WezzSep 10, 2016 10:03 PM
Lol... I guess your faith are intertwined because I tagged you both... Despite having different perspective... No worries dude... showing your existence here just made them shut-up... If they don't, make them |
| Because people like spicing things up. I don't know why the majority of this site is so obsessed with ratings, or disagreements on certain shows. I do believe as what @Senpaoi said that people think the world revolves around their ass. Sums it up perfectly. |
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kamisama751 said: _Ako_ said: Lol... I guess your faith are intertwined because I tagged you both... Despite having different perspective... No worries dude... showing your existence here just made them shut-up... If they don't, make them The title itself is already a joke. It is if it is subjective so there is no room to say it isn't and we should asume it can't be objective in this case. And then debate about why "good" and "bad" is used... Already impossible because quality is objective. Well, we're doing it for the sake of shitposting... Just ride dude... Ride... Ride with that brimming Godly aura of yours |
| Who would want to only state objective truths such as "I like this" or "I dislike this"? Cutting out subjectivity sounds awfully boring. |
Senpaoi said: TripleSRank said: Who would want to only state objective truths such as "I like this" or "I dislike this"? Cutting out subjectivity sounds awfully boring. Well I mean who wants to say "my favorite food is snails" when you can say "snails are the best fucking food on the planet bitch, you have bad taste." I think you can say things normally without being a self-centered dumbass. Strawman much? It's always fun when people assume making subjective statements like "this thing is awesome" or "that thing sucks" has anything to do with calling someone an idiot for disliking what you like. I don't think I'm the one being a jerk here; or rather, I'm not the one who seems to feel persecuted by benign statements. |
TripleSRankSep 10, 2016 10:51 PM
| It's all subjective. /thread asdasd |
| Personally for what I think, it's a case of opinion and facts. I can say "I dislike/like -Anime-" and that is fact for me. But I can also say "-Anime- is bad/good" but that is my opinion, and is up for agreement or disagreement. It's the same for other views, just because a figure, say a politician is viewed as "good" doesn't make them good. It's the person who said that, liking the politician and labeling them as "good" But the answer to your question is, people just say what comes to head first. |
Xillya- said: title say it. instead of just saying they like or dislike it, why do they call it bad or good when it's just a matter of preference? Discuss. I assume people dislike something because they think the anime is bad, unless they say otherwise. I'd best advise you assume the same. Actually, if you can say there's a difference between disliking something and thinking something is bad, you should probably ask *them* and not me. Senpaoi said: TripleSRank said: Who would want to only state objective truths such as "I like this" or "I dislike this"? Cutting out subjectivity sounds awfully boring. Well I mean who wants to say "my favorite food is snails" when you can say "snails are the best fucking food on the planet bitch, you have bad taste." I think you can say things normally without being a self-centered dumbass. When people ask a question about personal favorites, you kinda assume elaborations as to "why" are welcome. You can't elaborate on 'my favorite food is snails' without being self-centered, because you're the subject of the question. |
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| I assume you could say an anime is good or bad regarding it's technical or audiovisual aspects (animation and sound quality for example) as I think that's something that can be viewed more objectively than the story or characters. But after all subjectiveness is always present. In my case I've never called an anime good or bad though, I just state whether I liked or disliked it. |
Xillya- said: But instead of point out the lack in quality, people just go with the easiest way, "it's bad" "it's shit". when the core of problem is just they don't like the show. I can give you that. If you search hard enough, you can easily find an article that praise SAO in what it has. So in the end of the day it's just a matter of preference but people use good or bad to show that what they like are superior to what other people like. I think its the same for all the media (sports, art, music) We love to rate stuff. And there is 2 paremeters to it: Popularity and Quality. You can mesure the first one with the sales and culture repercution. The second one is where critics and our own judgement enters in. The people get to a consensus of what is good or what is bad. The funy thing is that everyone here is a critic who's opinion is irrefutable. And that's not right. Your opinion is cool for you, but it shouldn't be absolute for everyone else. _Ako_ said: Mhhh... Enlighten me OP, how can you distinguish a good series to a bad series? is it like: If you like SAO then you might like [i]Re:Zero[i/] Hahahahaha You nalied it. |
| Because people prefer looking outwards, not inwards. What I mean is that they're more comfortable judging and labeling something outside of them (in this case the anime) instead of focusing on themselves (in this case their experience/perception of the anime). They like to pretend they have nothing to do with the watching experience and whatever the result is, is all solely because of the outside object, the anime. It's psychologically much more relieving to put all the blame and responability outside of them and see themselves just as passive mediums who mechanically react to what they watch as if that was the only possible reaction. Or the only 'logical' reaction at least. Which is why they can get so passionate (read: insulting) when someone else doesn't share their perception. It reminds them that it's all subjective and that their own expectations, knowledge, history, current state of mind, surroundings, values and preferences play at least as big of a role in how they perceive an anime than the anime itself. The anime itself is not a variable, it's always the same no matter who watches it. What changes are all the personal variables I just listed (and many more probably). And to some degree we can control them if we are aware of it, shaping our experiences into something more enjoyable than it would have been if we just pretended to be passive mediums. But all of that is a somewhat complicated concept and it's super annoying because constantly being aware of it makes it very hard to form quick judgments or opinions about pretty much anything, which is something human psychology yearns for. And the introspective nature of that concept forces them to reflect on themselves more than anything, if they take it to heart, which is something most people do not enjoy at all. So they stick with the quick and easy shortcut of calling shows bad or good and whatnot. Everyone aware of how truly subjective perception is by nature will know that they're still only talking about their experience/perception of the show but to the masses it's all the same. And functionally it is too, to some degree, when it's just about making your opinion heard. But it does breed countless conflicts and misunderstandings that could be avoided if people were aware that all perception is already colored by default through the glasses of their individuality rather than thinking that they 'perceive the show as it is'. Which logically (and philosophically) speaking isn't a thing. If there was only one right way to 'perceive things as they are' there would be no subjectivity, no disagreements, no preference, no taste. Just people who are closer and further away of perceiving the 'reality' of things. Whether there even is such a thing like an 'essence' of a thing (to use aristotelean terminology since I didn't find a proper translation for the term 'Das Ding an sich' (in this case Der Anime an sich :>)) is debatable even for the simplest of objects but especially hard to argue when it comes to art and entertainment. Does all of this make a difference in the bulk of everyday conversation and arguments? Probably not. In fact people seem to enjoy the futile act of turning their subjective opinions into statements about the show in question and it certainly has rhetoric value when you're trying to improve your standing in a debate. Just look at MAL, everyone is doing it all the time. They wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy it. It doesn't matter that on an abstract level of logic it doesn't make any sense. It's a fun pastime, a means of communication. No need to theorize it to oblivion unless you're like me and enjoy philosophy and seeking truth in concepts rather than specific opinions. (Spoiler: most people don't) The above concept, if always taken to heart, would make it hard to have quick conversations about these things with other people after all. It's more something you should (or can) be aware of so you can use it to explore your relationship with a series, why you liked or didn't like it, which parts had which effect on you, all that fun stuff that helps you to both get to know yourself and your taste a bit better and have an easier time finding new entertainment that suits your taste in the future. Personally I enjoy that part more than fighting with other people over how we perceive a piece of entertainment, trying to convince them that my opinion on a certain anime is better or closer to reality than theirs. I mean it can be fun from time to time, but I find it mostly tiring these days. But most people don't, which is why the world and MAL are full of people enjoying themselves while fighting subjective opinion vs subjective opinion, as if there could be any result. Even if it often doesn't look like they're enjoying themselves they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't at least find it comforting to convince themselves that there is meaning behind it. It is a deeply human thing to do. And sadly I can't relate. |
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