| There are several ways the statement "Don't like it, don't watch it" is used. The first is as general advice, or a guideline to follow when watching anime for entertainment. On other words, If you don't enjoy something, don't waste your free time doing it. I think this is a perfectly valid rule or philosophy to follow. The second is as a retort in an argument over the critical merits of a show. If a person criticizes something for XYZ points, "DLDW" is not really a valid rebuttal to those arguments. While it can be used to call into question the judgment of a person who continues to spend time on an activity or anime they explicitly dislike, it is a spurious response in the context of a debate. |
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| The two phrases don't really add much to the discussion or the debate. One is an answer used as an escape from further confrontation while the other is an answer used in an attempt to debase without actually saying why the anime is bad. |
| Agree with you. 'Don't like don't watch' is just a silly way of shutting down discussions. Don't like criticism? Don't listen to them. Seriously, do people expect to talk to other people and only hear agreements? 'It's for kids' isn't an ever an excuse. The best anime I've seen are actually for kids. Just because it's for kids doesn't mean it can't be intelligent. Children can be deep thinkers. Why not challenge them? |
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| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiGMXlyEtaA This video will help those that need some help understand what I'm talking about. Don't like don't watch is said to a person who is giving their opinions of a show. So this person has already watched the show...so they just can't unwatch it. Now for "It's for kids." that refers to people using it as an excuse for a show to be bad and telling others they can't criticize it because it's for kids. A prime example of this would Teen Titans Go. That is what I'm talking about guys. I noticed some people misunderstood what I was saying . |
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| "Don't like don't watch it." i agree with them , if you dont like for example Sol anime , why you torture yourself watching them? "It's for kids." im 20 years old ofc i dont watch anime destined to kids |
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| Well technically it's true, if you don't like something, why bother watching it? I mean if you're gonna rate it a 1 and still continue watching it, hoping it gets better, then there's something wrong with you. I don't think there will ever come a time when your rating goes up from 1 to let's say 6+ (which is above average) I understand why people use this sentence and I'm not bothered at all by it, however, when someone wants to discuss on why a certain thing is bad and you don't enjoy that aspect of the show and you find things to be plot holes and someone uses this argument against you, then it's completely stupid of them and it's a bad way to defend their show. |
tragedydesu said: "Don't like don't watch it." i agree with them , if you dont like for example Sol anime , why you torture yourself watching them? Sooo you are telling me I shouldn't watch any SoL anime just because I usually don't like the genre? I liked ReLife but didn't like Orange.What is your point? Edit:This video really sums it up. |
sasalxAug 13, 2016 5:22 AM
| "Don't like don't watch it." This argument doesn't mean you shouldn't even try to watch the anime. If you've watched more than 5 episodes of any anime and you think it merits a "1" ("Appalling") then why would you force yourself through the rest of it? You'd just be wasting time... |
sasalx said: tragedydesu said: "Don't like don't watch it." i agree with them , if you dont like for example Sol anime , why you torture yourself watching them? Sooo you are telling me I shouldn't watch any SoL anime just because I usually don't like the genre? I liked ReLife but didn't like Orange.What is your point? Edit:This video really sums it up. if someone watched about 20 Sol anime and didnt like any of them dont you think he should just give up in that genre? |
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Ruffette said: EcchiLordMamster said: the "don't like it don't watch it" argument is more targeted towards the people who are clearly being full on masochists watching: 5/12 score: 2 "this show just gets worse and worse" solution: drop the show completed: 25/25 score: 1 "this show was terrible how can anyone like this???" then why the hell did you finish it? "this show has too many boobs in it, guh this show is so stupid" yet you're still watching.... why are you still watching? if you can't understand why this doesn't make sense to some of us, idk what to say.... unless you're a reviewer and people expect it from you, then anime is not "your homework" and no one is forcing you to watch, therefore ofc some of us are going to be confused as to why you're not always trying to be entertained watching an entertainment medium It's a good advice, but a terrible "argument", since it doesn't bring absolutly anything to the table. It's just a cheap way to dismiss criticism used presicely by people without arguments. People like that aren't worth arguing with, they're the extreme ones that totally hates the series and goal is just to bash it and the fanbase that likes it. So I think "if you don't like it then don't watch it" comment are totally justifiable to those type of people, either that or ignore them. |
tragedydesu said: sasalx said: Sooo you are telling me I shouldn't watch any SoL anime just because I usually don't like the genre? I liked ReLife but didn't like Orange.What is your point? Edit:This video really sums it up. if someone watched about 20 Sol anime and didnt like any of them dont you think he should just give up in that genre? No because just because of genre you can't judge the entire anime.Like I said at my other posts I don't like %90 of ecchi/harem animes but monogatari is my fav.It has ecchi/harem.What I am trying to is another genre theme or sub-genre can change the entire anime so at least you should watch 2-3 episode of this SoL anime.That's what I did to Orange for example. |
| "Don't like don't watch." --Honestly, I've never heard of this "argument" before. I don't really think it's something people need to be told, but rather, a behavior people are capable of exhibiting on their own? "It's for kids." Yeah, they're looking down on kids, and people who say this are just too lazy (or stupid) to give a proper criticism. |
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Touniouk said: That's the beauty of going in circles, can't win with these people."Don't like don't watch it" is easily one of the dumbest sentences people throw around, especially when coupled with the classic "you can't judge it if you didn't finish it" argument. If I make a point about a show being bad, saying "don't like don't watch it" is literally never relevant, I already fucking watched it, how is saying this disapproving my point in any way? When you start arguing against the person instead of against the point, you lose that argument in my book. |
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| So what? Under 18 they always say don't watch porn, it's for adults, but you still watching... |
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| People that watch an anime for the sole purpose of complaining every episode and don't have any actual criticism to say other than just nitpicking shouldn't watch the anime they are complaining about. The argument can be valid, I see it alot in the re:zero thread where people will nitpick the tiniest things just to hate on it. Sure the show has things to be criticized on, but I won't take you seriously if you're complaining about nothing every episode and I will tell them to drop the fucking anime then because its annoying to see the same shit in every episode discussion. An example would be that JWkay guy in the re:zero threads or whatever his name is. He does this every episode discussion yet he despises the show. Most of his criticism are just reaching and nitpicking, very few of them are actual criticism of the show. |
CejaraAug 13, 2016 10:15 AM
| Well I watch Mickey Mouse clubhouse and Dora the Explora and they always make me use my brain,so I don't think they are for kids, but I would say isn't as true for anime since the only questions I get from it are asked by me and its always the same question; why haven't ended my life yet? As for don't like don't watch. If you find a show watchable go ahead and watch but I sometimes wonder why people who hate a show to the point crippling depression reminiscent of my clinical depression and hatred towards absolute duo watch shows that they hate. Sometimes I watch a show knowing full well I'm going to hate to assure myself its bad but I don't go around telling people its bad unless they. The discussion in question would more often then not be among like minded people who either all like the show or all dislike/hate the show. Because more often the both will have a large amount cancerous people who will bulldoze other arguments because of how they feel about a particular anime regardless of the opposition making a "valid" and "thought-out" point |
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| Demographics have nothing to do with quality (Batman:The Animated Series and Doctor Seuss' books are aimed at kids and are absolutely glorious). That being said most kids' anime is pretty bad. I'm only speaking from my experiences though; I've heard all kinds of good shit about Digimon Tamers. |
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| "Don't like don't watch it." i do think that watching something that is boring to you and you don't like it is stupid, but i think this argument is really shitty, i may think its stupid, but i wouldn't go around ordering people on what to do, besides i watched Berserk (2016) for a while even tho i hated it, because i love the manga, so i can kind of understand. I see that argument used against critics who heavily criticize a show, which is incredibly stupid. So the biggest problem with this statement is that it's used to silence legitimate criticism. |
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| "Don't like don't watch it" is actually a fairly pragmatic and reasonable thing to say. The drop feature exists for a reason, no one cares if you endured all 800 episodes of One Piece just to provide reasons why you think it's a 2/10. Of course, it becomes nothing more than insufferable hyperbole when someone says "The pacing could be better" and is met with "DON'T LIKE DON'T WATCH OMG!" As for "It's for kids", so what? One of my favorite anime is targeted at little girls but it provides themes and topics very relevant to adults as well. Even if it didn't, I'll watch it anyway. Blood, sex, gore, and angst doesn't make something good. I'll take Aikatsu over Hellsing any day. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: "Don't like don't watch it" is actually a fairly pragmatic and reasonable thing to say. The drop feature exists for a reason, no one cares if you endured all 800 episodes of One Piece just to provide reasons why you think it's a 2/10. Of course, it becomes nothing more than insufferable hyperbole when someone says "The pacing could be better" and is met with "DON'T LIKE DON'T WATCH OMG!" As for "It's for kids", so what? One of my favorite anime is targeted at little girls but it provides themes and topics very relevant to adults as well. Even if it didn't, I'll watch it anyway. Blood, sex, gore, and angst doesn't make something good. I'll take Aikatsu over Hellsing any day. But how do you know if you'll like something unless you watch it? |
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| yes because kids watch higurashi a show about brutal murder and torture.... ignore those people for they know nothing |
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| I think some people are missing the mark on the "It's for kids" argument. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: The moment you stop enjoying what you're watching, you'll know.Ratohnhaketon said: "Don't like don't watch it" is actually a fairly pragmatic and reasonable thing to say. The drop feature exists for a reason, no one cares if you endured all 800 episodes of One Piece just to provide reasons why you think it's a 2/10. Of course, it becomes nothing more than insufferable hyperbole when someone says "The pacing could be better" and is met with "DON'T LIKE DON'T WATCH OMG!" As for "It's for kids", so what? One of my favorite anime is targeted at little girls but it provides themes and topics very relevant to adults as well. Even if it didn't, I'll watch it anyway. Blood, sex, gore, and angst doesn't make something good. I'll take Aikatsu over Hellsing any day. But how do you know if you'll like something unless you watch it? |
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hazerddex said: yes because kids watch higurashi a show about brutal murder and torture.... ignore those people for they know nothing How about Happy Tree Friends?I love this show. |
| things can be targeted for kids. and children have no experience in a lot of things so they can be kinda dumb |
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Ratohnhaketon said: But One Piece actually doesn't suck and isn't writing by a creator who is greedy. LOL:P"Don't like don't watch it" is actually a fairly pragmatic and reasonable thing to say. The drop feature exists for a reason, no one cares if you endured all 800 episodes of One Piece just to provide reasons why you think it's a 2/10. Of course, it becomes nothing more than insufferable hyperbole when someone says "The pacing could be better" and is met with "DON'T LIKE DON'T WATCH OMG!" As for "It's for kids", so what? One of my favorite anime is targeted at little girls but it provides themes and topics very relevant to adults as well. Even if it didn't, I'll watch it anyway. Blood, sex, gore, and angst doesn't make something good. I'll take Aikatsu over Hellsing any day. |
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| Both statements are legit depending on the context. "I hate this show because it makes me suffer through 20 minutes of it every week." - Don't watch it then, whiner. The show doesn't 'make you' do anything because you watch it voluntarily. "Why didn't he kill him and rape his sister in that scene. I thought he was supposed to be a criminal." - It's a kids show, dude. What do you expect? So yeah, as always it's stupid to talk about whether random sentences have any value in a vacuum because EVERYTHING in language depends on context. Most arguments and opinions are neither valid nor invalid on their own so discussing them as if they were is completely meaningless. |
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| Eh who the fuck cares lol. Actually anime fans are not 'weird' but the 'weebs' are. Y'know, those so-called otakus that don't wanna go out. |
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MasterHavik said: As some of you know I watch cartoons and anime and I wanted to ask you guys your opinion on these arguments since I see them a lot in the cartoon fandom. Do these arguments ever come up in regards to argument? Especially the "It's for kids." argument. My take on both arguments are this.... "Don't like don't watch." Is just an easy avoid to criticism of your favorite and avoid having a meaningful discussion and debate. I have able to convince people who hated shows like Haruhi and PSG to give them another chance without using this argument. Anyway, I feel discussion is health thing as long people aren't trying to kill you. "It's for kids." Is such a defensive argument it is insane. Basically people who use this make the claim a show can be bad as much as it wants to be if the audience is kids. Does anyone see how fucking dumb that is and shows that person has a low opinion of kids? Anyway chime in gang. I avoid shounen anime for this very reason |
scruf4ls said: I'm laughing right now at this.....lol!!! Can you go into some more detail sir?MasterHavik said: As some of you know I watch cartoons and anime and I wanted to ask you guys your opinion on these arguments since I see them a lot in the cartoon fandom. Do these arguments ever come up in regards to argument? Especially the "It's for kids." argument. My take on both arguments are this.... "Don't like don't watch." Is just an easy avoid to criticism of your favorite and avoid having a meaningful discussion and debate. I have able to convince people who hated shows like Haruhi and PSG to give them another chance without using this argument. Anyway, I feel discussion is health thing as long people aren't trying to kill you. "It's for kids." Is such a defensive argument it is insane. Basically people who use this make the claim a show can be bad as much as it wants to be if the audience is kids. Does anyone see how fucking dumb that is and shows that person has a low opinion of kids? Anyway chime in gang. I avoid shounen anime for this very reason |
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Ratohnhaketon said: The moment you stop enjoying what you're watching, you'll know. Things can improve and change. Sometimes people continue watching these shows with hopes of improvement. |
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| As far as cartoons and kids anime just ignore them. If they are saying that about all anime then tell them about stuff like Ghost in the Shell which defiantly isn't aimed at kids, even if a kid watched it they would properly understand it. Tell them that there's many animes aimed at adults. As far as cartoons, just because most cartoons are kid friendly is doesn't mean that adults can't also enjoy them, tons of adults cried during Toy Story 3 which is also a cartoon. Seriously it's funny that some movies kill off characters trying to make people cry and Pixar made people cry by having a grown man give away all his toys. Also I think we should pay attention to kids cartoons because I want kids to have good cartoons like Avatar: The Last Airbender, not completely stupid stuff like Pickle and Peanut, Pig Goat Banana Cricket and Teen Titans Go. |
MattKitsune96Aug 14, 2016 1:50 AM
| "Don't like don't watch." is definitely a dumb way to defend an anime from criticism. I remember lots of Mahouka fans are like that when so many people criticize the show. "It's for kids." is new for me. Haven't seen anyone does that yet. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| These people that state this are scared of Anime because it reinforces their insecure like for Incest Hentai that they fap to at 2 AM. Since they are too stupid to see the difference between Hentai and Anime they think you are onto something. Thats why they make such defensive arguments "its for kids" I think that atleast. |
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| "Don't like don't watch" is something I've heard being slung around a crap ton, and admittedly it's something I've said myself in passing. However, when I really put some thought into it, it's something I both agree and disagree with. Generally speaking it seems simple enough to just NOT watch something you're not enjoying, but criticising something- constructively at least- and not agreeing with/liking elements of an anime doesn't mean you should stop watching it altogether. What people shouldn't do however, is shove their own qualms with something down other fans' throats and either mock or metaphorically lynch them for liking a particular anime or elements of that anime. So it's more like "don't bitch just watch" for me XD "It's for kids" is literally just fact most of the time it's stated. Because there's a high likelihood that the anime in question is aimed at children...everything must have a demographic so that the creators can work up an image to promote and draw in a certain audience...they want it to sell. Ofc everyone knows peoples likes/dislikes differ, so it's just there to cook up a general idea...especially when It comes to manga because target audience would dictate which magazine it serializes in. There are laws that need to be abided by as well- Shueisha aren't gonna throw something like Prison School in Shonen Jump...think of the censorship as well as the overall image clash!! What many need to understand is that "it's for kids" shouldn't be interpreted or used negatively. It's for kids...and...what? Why does it even matter? I don't hear young kids saying "but it's for adults!! How can you like it?!". A demographic is there to make a work appeal to a certain group, yes, but it isn't taboo to like something which isn't aimed at your generalised target audience! I can't see why any creator would want to shut down potential fans with a demographic, they just use it as a starting hook to shoehorn in an initial audience. Probably. I'm not exactly an expert here but that's how I think anyway! My point is that if a creator doesn't want to be limited by demographic then fans shouldn't either. |
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| Sometimes you like the animation but the story feels like shit. Sometimes you like the story but the animation doesn't do justice. Or the music is good or one story arc, theme, or character speaks to you. That's the way it is. I've never seen the logic in "don't like it, don't watch it." Those people are usually the one who can't go two posts without insinuation some kind of intellectual inferiority in others. There's of course always the hope the show will "get back on track" but they never see it and neither do others who have a problem with another's grievances. I on the other hand try to at least maintain some civility since there are shows (no necessarily listed) I have come to enjoy however I wouldn't give the time of day now for different reasons such as seeing it before or no longer having an interest in it. |
MasterHavik said: I'm laughing right now at this.....lol!!! Can you go into some more detail sir? don't get me wrong i use to love shounens (yugioh, one piece, naruto. ect) when i was like 8-13 but now those shows just don't appeal to me. (i'm 25 now). i don't consider all anime for kids dough |
scruf4ls said: I think that is why shows like Hunter x Hunter and one Punch Man were created. They took shouen and put it on its head.MasterHavik said: I'm laughing right now at this.....lol!!! Can you go into some more detail sir? don't get me wrong i use to love shounens (yugioh, one piece, naruto. ect) when i was like 8-13 but now those shows just don't appeal to me. (i'm 25 now). i don't consider all anime for kids dough |
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MasterHavik said: I think that is why shows like Hunter x Hunter and one Punch Man were created. They took shouen and put it on its head. haven't watched hxh, and one punch man is targeted to an older audience. and probably a parody of superman. |
YayaChibi said: using a oneliner to dismiss his argument is exactly what he doesnt wantRoyTF said: It's up to you mate,what you wanna watch. You just summed it up bruh. @MasterHavik you should have learned from your previous threads. hes tryna start discussion and just blowing him off wouldnt make any sense |
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| "Don''t like, don't watch" Makes sense though. If you've watched enough of the show to rate it a 1 or 2, just drop it. You've obviously enjoyed very little to nothing about the show, so what's the point? You're just prolonging your suffering and for what? To have a pointless discussion with a fan that'll disregard everything you say and insult? It's not worth it. |
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| I think what you are trying to say is that you like watching cartoons, which are primarily made for kids? I usually prefer anime because most anime is made primarily for adults. Still there may be some tards that think that all animation is made for kids. The new movie "Sausage Party", though, looks like a kid's flick, but it is for adults, it's R-rated. Anyway, I would just watch what you like watching and let the tards watch what they like and not worry about it too much. |
PeppermintHeartsAug 15, 2016 1:19 PM
| There are some idiots who watch a hentai knowing full well they will not like it and then rank it low. :/ Really we should be getting a feeling from people the advertised fetish attracted not random people who absolutely are determined not to like it. Sometimes I do wonder why people waste their time... but then I remember that I watched things like Cipher the Video knowing it was going to be awful. Or Garzey's Wing. I am just going to sit over here and hope they had a good time. I did watch Cipher 5 times now at least... and it is still rated a 1. I am not sure. I sometimes thing of rating it 10/10. Contrary to popular to belief, you can watch something that is dreadful and still like it enough to watch it again. They are called "so bad it is good" anime. and in the search for that kind of anime... sometimes you run into way worse than you would actually like to watch. |
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| I actually have an ultra low opinion of kids, but that won't stop me from either having two or adopting a couple. Kids will be stupid, but anime isn't just for kids. It's made for adults too. You won't see me recommend Hellsing Ultimate or Baccano to my 10 year old brother (who lives away from me) who actually is scared of gore (probably won't ever watch a horror movie). Some anime is meant for kids, but its really scraping the bottom of the barrel of the anime world to find it. It's literally probably only ten percent of the anime made. Also it's mostly classic magical girl shows, collector card show/video game based shows (pokemon, digimon, yugioh), then classic shows like Doraemon and crayon shin chan. So yeah, they're wrong, they'll always be wrong, I've dealt with people like this, and they always find something that appeals to them. And they'll regret thinking something so shallow. |
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| "Don't like it don't watch it" is not an argument. Anyone who says that just does because they have nothing to add on your opinion on something. Besides, how would you know if you like or dislike something without watching it or trying it out first? As for the "it's for kids" thing, it's sometimes a needless thing to say. A show's demographic doesn't entirely influence how someone will feel about a show unless it's someone who really likes or dislikes things targeted for kids. |
MasterHavik said: Tarotist said: LOL!!! I remember that episode. Great reference dude."Don't like it, don't watch it." This reminds me of an episode in Dexter's Laboratory where Dexter was watching his sister and her friends playing in a tree house. He was using binoculars to spy on them. *Drops Binoculars and begins running around in circles saying: "Oh my! This is so dumb! Why am I wasting time even watching this! It's so stupi---" *Picks binoculars back up and continues watching the girls. "It's for kids." So are Trix, but I still eat those because they taste good... Dexter kept watching because he was hoping for a special show obviously, and who really listens to that rabbit? The good people know Trix, like everything else is for anybody who wants it. If I want to sit in a kiddie pool and pretend I'm Spongebob, I damn well am going to do that. |
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